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The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 12 Aug, 2019 01:12 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Not being a cause doesn't mean that they weren't a factor in facilitating the use of the weapon and thus enhancing its lethality.

Pistol grips do not enhance the lethality of a semi-auto weapon.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 12 Aug, 2019 01:16 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
They used sticks in warfare, 30000 yr ago.

I'm not sure if warfare really existed back then. Last I knew, the leading theory was that warfare only came about when people started organizing into civilization.

But I'll admit that prehistoric warfare is not a subject that I follow avidly. So if the consensus has shifted, I might not be aware of it.

If warfare did exist back then, that just further proves my point that "having been used in war" does not mean that something should automatically be outlawed.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Mon 12 Aug, 2019 10:49 pm
@oralloy,
Slide rules and computers are both used to do calculations but there is all the difference in the world in the two. There is that much difference between a semi-automatic an assault weapon.
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Your argument is not with me it is with Colt, the manufacturer of assault weapons. The manufacturer of assault weapons wants to make absolute sure that the public knows that their assault weapon will kill more in less time than other manufacturers of assault weapons. That is the selling point. Mass murderers choose the assault weapons that will kill the most.
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Then why do you need an assault weapon that fires at a 900 round a minute rate?
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If you are hunting with assault weapons you must want to kill the whole herd.
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Laws are limited to what is written not to what you can imagine. Many a court case has been lost because people imagined there was far more then what was written.
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Bump stocks only take advantage of the already existing design capabilities of assault weapons.
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A bump stock is just another way to make an assault weapon fire more like a full-automatic, the full-automatic firing mechanism is another.
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If you can ban a bump stock because it makes an assault weapon fire faster, you can ban the full-automatic mechanism.
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Pistol grips don’t increase the firing rate of assault weapons but they make mass murderers job much easier.
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When tools are designed, they are designed for a specific purpose such as killing a large number of people or for a butter knife to spread butter.
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The primary purpose for making assault weapons is to kill large numbers of people. Hunting can be done with a simple rifle.
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If you are really serious about committing mass murder assault weapons are the way to go.
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There are two completely different design of weapons one is a semi-automatic and one is an assault weapon.
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Again, your argument is with Colt who claim their assault weapons can fire at a 900 round a minute rate.
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The superior design of an assault weapons makes them capable of firing 900 rounds a minute rate.
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You need to read the specifications for assault weapons. The only difference between the semi-automatics version and the full automatics is a little modification of the firing mechanism. Same gun just one small difference.
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What might not be possible for you is possible for mass murderers. We know the Dayton shooter fired 41 rounds in 30 seconds. Do you think he had time to aim?
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Assault weapons, according to the doctors that treated the wounded in El Paso, said they have never seen such severe injuries except on battle fields. Twenty-two people died and 30 others were injured with baseball sized exit wounds according to doctors that treated them. Twenty-two dead is hardly minor injuries. The crowd might disperse after 22 are dead and 30 injured.
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Mass murders have proved over and over again that firing into crowds kills large number of people. How many times do you have to see it happen before you can see reality? You want to ignore reality and imagine what could happen. People in confined spaces often can’t escape fires let alone a mass murder armed with an assault weapon.
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You need not hit a vital area, a major artery wit a bas ball sized exit wound will make you just as dead. Crowds can’t out run 900 rounds a minute rate. Look what happen in Dayton.
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We are talking about weapons of war not pistol grips.
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The Ar-15 was patented 100s of other semi-automatics don’t require a patent and they can’t use the AR-15 mechanism without buying the patent.
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Your design has to be a major improvement over the current inventions or it will not qualify for a patent.
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When you design guns to fire hundreds of rounds a minute you want a kill rate of hundreds.
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There would be nothing left of a squirrel with the assault weapons used by mass murderers.
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Assault weapons are key ban them and the mass murder rate goes down when assault weapon ban expired mass murders went through the roof.
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I have never seen even one mass murderer hold a gun at his shoulder. The surveillance cameras show the pistol grip held at waist height. When your shooting at the equivalent of the broad side of the barn there is no need to aim.
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Tens of thousands of Americans have been slaughtered with assault weapons and it is just the tip of a very large ice burg. Soon there will be a mass shooting every fifteen minutes.
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Why don’t the mass murderers miss when holding assault weapons at waist height. Why would anyone even want a pistol grip if you were going to fire at shoulder height?
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A pistol grip makes it much harder to strip the gun from a mass murderer’s hand.
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You can see how a traditional rifle is held it is not nearly as secure.
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The weapon was designed to be held at waist level that is why there is a pistol grip on the assault weapon in the first place.
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Police response times give a mass murderer a very limited amount of time aiming wastes precious time if you need only hit the broad side of a barn there is no need to aim.
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If you had a barrel full of fish moving rapidly taking aim would be a waste of time. In the Pulse night club people are not standing still waiting on you to shoot them it would be a nightmare trying to aim.
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It is easy to tell where the bullets are going and adjust them to hit the targets when you have so many rounds.
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What played a part in the death tool was the assault weapons.
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One woman in Las Vegas was shot three times if he was aiming, he should have killed her on the first shot.
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Most mass murders where large numbers are killed used assault weapons all the record mass murders used assault weapons.
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The exact same reason for banning bump stocks applies ten times more to assault weapons.
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That is why we banned bombs years ago so the banning of assault weapons should be no surprise. Bombs and explosives have been banned for a number of years. The truck killing was done by a professional military organization. Norway was done on an island with no escape. We can’t do anything about the whole world we can only control America. The Virginia Tech was shooting was accomplished by chaining all the exits. Most of your examples come from foreign countries many that are hardly civilized
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 13 Aug, 2019 06:37 am
@oralloy,
'Was used in warfare thousands of years ago' is not a relevant criterion of course, but 'used in warfare today' is of relevence to define the most powerful category of weapons at any particular time -- dito with the most powerful category of computers and software, mind you, as military electronics are far sturdier and typically more powerful than civilian ones.

Civilisation in its development required specialization. In terms of weapons, this means that at some point 'the State' had to secure some monopoly on violence, through levying of troops and their cantonment away from the population, and as well as with a distinction between the kind of weapons allowed for the military vs. those allowed for civilians.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 13 Aug, 2019 07:12 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
'used in warfare today' is of relevence to define the most powerful category of weapons at any particular time

Maybe. But it isn't relevant to the question of whether they should be outlawed.

The question of "whether something should be outlawed" needs to be decided on the basis of how dangerous it is.

If something used in modern warfare is not a danger to society, there is no reason to outlaw it.

If something that isn't used in modern warfare is a danger to society, there is a reason to outlaw it.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 13 Aug, 2019 07:20 am
@oralloy,
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The question of "whether something should be outlawed" needs to be decided on the basis of how dangerous it is.

Agreed, and weapons of war are usually the most lethal weapons at any particular time.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 13 Aug, 2019 09:43 pm
@oralloy,
Also, in WWII 60 million people were killed but all we can hope to control is America. At one time you could go to local hardware store and buy dynamite. If you had a stump to remove you just put a few sticks under the stump and out it came. If you needed to get rid of your neighbor you just wire a few sticks to the ignition switch and the neighbor was gone. As a country we realized easy access to explosives was getting way too many people killed. Explosives were tightly controlled and lots of lives were saved. The same needs to be done to assault weapons.
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The mass murders in America prove beyond a doubt that you don’t need to aim and besides assault weapons are not known for accuracy.
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You need to understand that when you can fire a thousand rounds, like Las Vegas, you can see where the bullets hit and direct fire as needed.
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Aiming takes time and mass murderers don’t have the luxury of time. If the shooter in Dayton had took the time to aim, he would only have got off a few shots instead of 41.
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Some hand holds are far superior to others.
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Weapons that kill people in mass are weapons of mass destruction and assault weapons kill people in masses.
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All designs exist for a reason and pistol grips make assault weapons much more deadly. Why don’t the mass murderers use the tradition form of the same gun? Because pistol grips make the model more deadly.
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Do you think laying on a floor bleeding out through baseball sized exit wounds is superior to dying after breathing gas?
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An assault weapon in hands of mass murderer might not kill anyone either if the gun jammed.
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Anyone aiming a gun would obstruct their peripheral vision and would quickly be taken down by a crowd. The same can’t be said for a gun held at waist height.
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If missiles don’t have a payload of explosives why do they explode. There is a picture of a tommy Hawk missile exploding over a target on Wikipedia article about that missile it would take a lot of explosives to do that.
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If there are no explosives explain the explosions.
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We cannot do anything about what happens outside of America.
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All of your incidences you sighted took place outside of America. We can’t do anything about them, they are not a problem in America.
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There have been over 254 mass murders so far this year that is more than one a day and the mass murders where more than 10 are killed are done almost exclusively with assault weapons.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 08:46 pm
I have been reading a book about Trump by a well-known conservative, David Frum. The book is called “Trumpocracy” The book gives a very detailed look at the Trump presidency so far from a conservative point of view. Frum admits that the damage done by Trump will take years to be repaired and some damage may never be repaired. Frum is the editor of the “Atlantic.” He was a speechwriter for baby Bush. The book is on sale at Books a Million for $6.97. This is probably the best description of Trump so far.

Trump complains about a few dollars to feed babies but sees nothing wrong with spending a million taxpayer dollars almost every week on golfing trips to Mar-a-Lago or one of his other golf courses.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 08:29 pm
Trump is now looking into buying Greenland from the Danish government That is what Trump did was buy and sell real estate. I am sure Trump has looked at selling America to the Russians. I forgot Trump already sold out to the Russian a few years back. Buying Greenland sounds crazy but since Trump is senile what should we expect.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2019 08:17 pm
What percentage of Americans are racists? Recent polls show that 39% of Americans are racists. In recent polls shows that no matter which democrat running for president is polled Trump gets only 39%. It doesn’t matter which of the top democratic candidates Trumps polls 39%. That is not likely to be accurate as many Trump voters are ashamed they voted for Trump and hidden Trump vote is likely 4% to 5%. That gives Trump a solid 44% even running against Jesus Christ.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 17 Aug, 2019 08:41 pm
A new Fox News poll shows That Trump cannot be reelected the Republicans may now mount a primary challenge to Trump to make sure he is not a candidate in 2020. They are currently waiting to see if the economy crashes and leading economic indicators show that a recession is almost certain. Trump’s only accomplishment is that he has managed not to crash the economy that he was handed when Obama left office. Trump has always managed to crash his personal businesses with eight bankruptcies some of the biggest bankruptcies in history. The best way to predict the future is to learn from the past. Trump’s huge tax cut for the ungodly greedy was a sugar high for Wall Street but we all know what follows a sugar high.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Sun 18 Aug, 2019 08:50 pm
The head of Federal Election Commission said the Republican commissioners have blocked any investigation of the NRA. It was reported earlier this year that a Russian bank had laundered 10s of millions of dollars through the NRA to the Trump campaign but the Republicans commissioners are blocking any investigation. See no evil, hear no evil, it seems when it comes to the Russians the Republicans don’t want to know. Not only is there no investigation the Republicans have blocked even a call to the FBI to see if there is an investigation going on. What we do know for sure is that the NRA was penetrated by two Russian agents. The Russians were actively trying to penetrate other conservative organizations.

Where does all the NRA dues go to? It seems to anybody who wants to steal. The NRA was going to buy a six-million-dollar mansion for its executive director, Wayne La Pierre, it was 10,000 square feet with nine bathrooms. La Pierre wife was dissatisfied with the size of the men’s dressing room. The NRA set up a company and funded it $6.5 million to buy the mansion. Who gets to steal the other $500,000 is anybody’s guess. The NRA denied even a cent of NRA money was spent until a picture of their check was published. Now they are “investigating” they say the payment was not properly documented. The deal fell through but the $70,000 to facilitate the deal is gone.

The NRA has been paying 10s of thousands of dollars to fly hair dresser and makeup artist all around the country for La Pierre’s wife. There is nothing too good for the head of the NRA. Grass roots organization? Hardly.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Mon 19 Aug, 2019 08:44 pm
The last Republican administration bought the Great Recession where more money was lost than during the Great Depression it should have been called the second Great Depression. History is about to repeat itself, remember the Republicans also bought us the Great Depression. They say the sale of luxury goods, like campers is better about predicting a recession than any economist. Last year camper sales fell by 5% this year they have fallen by 20%. Trump is touting that Wal Mart stock has gone up. But before a recession people down scale from more upscale stores like Target and Macys. Wal Mart will benefit from a recession.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 20 Aug, 2019 08:53 pm
Karl Rove was known as Bush’s brain and Bush often called him fart blossom. Trump’s brain is Steve Bannon and even though he has left the white House Trump frequently calls him for advice and Bannon has been reactivated for the 2020 campaign. One of the people Bannon admires most is Putin. Bannon states that Putin views are much closer to the conservative’s views than others. He believes that Putin should be head of the conservative movement. That why the Republican color is red and the communist chose the same color.

“At least Putin is standing up for traditional institutions and he is trying to do it in a form of nationalism—and I think that people, particularly in certain countries, want to see sovereignty for their country, they want to see nationalism for their country. They don’t believe in this kind of pan-European Union or they don’t believe in the centralized government in the United States. They’d rather see more of a state-based entity that the founding fathers originally set up where freedoms were controlled at the local level.”

Steven Bannon

Who benefits if the European Union is destroyed and the United States becomes fifty different and separate countries? The Russians benefit. The Conservative Movement was like a Russian sleeper cell activated when needed.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 21 Aug, 2019 08:34 pm
Just in: the electoral college system just got crookeder. Two Republicans have been elected president who lost the election by losing the popular vote. A court ruling today by the 10th US Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that an elector can vote for whoever he pleases no matter how his state votes. Usually if an elector casts a vote for another candidate that did not win his state the ballot the ballot is simply thrown away by the state. In the last election Michael Baca, a Colorado Democratic elector was required by law to vote for Hillary Clinton but he voted for a Republican, John Kasich. Colorado law required him to vote as the way his state voted now that law is invalid and electors can vote for whoever they please. The electoral college is based on the assumption that the voters are too stupid to decide a presidential election and it should be placed in the hands of those who are so much smarter, the electors. The electoral college is a relic of the past that was set up to appease slave owning states and protect the country from letting the voters decide the election. Only one election is determined in this fashion and it is the most important, it must be changed.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Thu 22 Aug, 2019 09:20 pm
After the shootings in El Paso and Dayton Trump was all for universal background checks but after he was contacted by the gun manufacturers association (known as the NRA) Trump said never mind. The gun manufacturers had contributed $30 million to the Trump campaign and if Trump did not do exactly as he was told to do, he would not get another $30 million for his campaign in 2020. What is Trump to do? Trump is owned by the gun manufacturers. So, he decided they would send the public on a snipe hunt. The gun manufacturers want to blame the mentally ill for the mass murders so they can make a fortune off of flooding the streets of America with weapons of war. If the mass murders are mentally ill, they are innocent by reason of insanity and not one mass murder has been found innocent by reason of insanity. So much for the gun manufacturers red herring.

Dragsters are capable of reaching 300 mph in a few seconds. Every teenage boy would love to have the fastest car in town. If they drove cars that reached 300 mph in six seconds, we all know what would happen when they reached the next intersection at 300 mph. Those cars are not allowed on the streets. The assault weapons are the gun equivalent of a 300-mph dragsters on the street.

“For one thing, he says, the signposts that should alert them to something bad is coming around the bend are often plain to see; “Very few of these high-profile sprees are impulsive. Killers in this class do not ‘snap.’ They plan their assault for months or even years, drawing up detailed battle plans and accumulating expensive weaponry. For many of them, documenting of this process in journals or videos is an essential component; they understand they are leaving evidence that will help the marquee lights of their crime burn even brighter.”

From the book “Mass Killers by David J. Krajicek
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Fri 23 Aug, 2019 08:45 pm
FBI profilers now have a very good idea of the profile of a mass murderer. If the FBI profile of a mass murder was distributed to schools at least they would know what warning signs to watch for. But there is a problem the NRA has prevented any laws from being passed that would allow the police to take the arsenal of thousands of bullets and assault weapons away from a potential mass murderer. The NRA has always preached passing any gun law was a slippery slope that would lead to all guns being taken away. So, we have no red flag laws that would allow the police to take away the arsenal of a mass murderer. It is not against the law to think about committing a mass murder or accumulating an arsenal to commit a mass murder thanks to the NRA. Our laws are set up to punish people after the fact. If a school principal knew one of his students met the FBI profile and owned assault weapons nothing could be done until after the mass murder took place thanks to the NRA. We are better than that we may not ever stop all the murder but we can save thousands of lives with common sense gun laws.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 24 Aug, 2019 08:34 pm
“The times they are a changing” the NRA best heed those words. I talked to a friend today, a Vietnam vet, gun owner, life-long Republican who voted for Trump. There was one thing on his mind and that was getting the assault weapons off the streets. I had not bought up the subject. He has cancer and there is nothing more they can do for him. In Vietnam he was on the wrong end of assault weapons and if he can change his mind about an America full of assault weapons others are also changing their minds also. They call it a tipping point where there is a sudden shift in thinking. We are about to witness that tipping point.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Sun 25 Aug, 2019 08:38 pm
The right has now launched Project Blackmail. If a news media outlet will not print Trumps lies and swear the lies are the truth project blackmail will target the media outlet and all of its employees, families of employees, and even associates. In effort to prove that Trump’s lies are the truth and the truth is a lie. This is an authoritarian state trying to take control of the independent news media. The Black Mailers Organization is run by a close friend of Trump’s and no doubt bank rolled by rich Republican donors. Employees of The New York Times and the Washington Post have already been black mailed. The black mailers do deep research on journalists going back into their college days and look for anything they can take out of context on social media or any incident in their past they would not want exposed. They have been very careful to preserve 10-year-old Twitter posts so even if they end up being deleted, they still have a copy. Of course, the black mail organization is not above making up lies to smear journalists to make sure they don’t say anything negative about King Trump. The New York Times has already stated that they will not be intimidated by the black mailers no matter who they smear. This has never happened in America before and only happens in countries run by dictator but it is the Trump way. Trump no doubt learned black mail from his friends in the mob.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 26 Aug, 2019 09:15 am
@Zardoz,
Have anything to back up this claim? More BS?
 

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