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The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

 
 
Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 2 Apr, 2019 09:58 pm
@Baldimo,
Trump was in a primary and his opponents are willing to pay for all the dirt they can find on him. His opponents had all the money they needed to pay for that dirt. There was a Republican deep pocket who was willing to pay major bucks for the dirt on Trump.

“In September 2015, the times says, a Republican donor with deep pockets and a deep distaste for Trump hired a DC investigative firm to compile a report on Trump scandals. The firm Fusion GPS, is led by former Wall Street Journal (Rupert Murdock) reporter Glen Simpson, who has written extensively on Russian corporate crime and criminal organizations, according to his bio on the website for the nonprofit International
Assessment and Strategy Center. “

From: “The Making of the Bombshell Trump Dossier Dominated the News”

Source: Intelligencer

Noticed the date of the original dossier it was reported in September of 2015 nearly a year before Hillary is even nominated. Note also that the reporter was one of Rupert Murdock’s former employee. It can’t be a cover up because it is published a year before Hillary needed dirt on Trump. Fusion GPS simply sold the research they had already done it for the Republicans.
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The second source was not National Public Radio and there are many more sources just like it. There are many Republicans that absolutely hate that grifter Trump. Trump is against almost everything the Republican Party stood for.
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City court is very informal while circuit court and federal courts are regimented. We could handle 50 cases in a couple of hours it would take circuit court six months to do the same. The cops did exactly the same thing I did they prosecuted their own cases except when the plaintiff retained an attorney. No one bothered to appeal to the supreme court for a $500 ticket. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
They say see something, say something. That applies to psychiatrists also.
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You do realize that people lie and it is extremely easy to tell people what they want to hear. If psychiatrists depended on interviews with the patients there would be far fewer people locked up. In Alaska they started depending and believing the patient interviews so they let the patient out in the community during the day. He used the time to buy a gun and kill for teenagers. But the psychiatrists believed the patient was cured all they had to do was take his word for it. Ethics are like anything else they must forever be weighed against consequences.
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I did a little research on the claim that a foreign power has the 30,000 missing emails and it tracks back to Texas congressman who must have spent too much time with Trump. Evidently, he has absolutely no credibility and no one believes a word he has to say.
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Do you really trust a source that went out of business in 2014? It is hard to know who has decided to use that title to spread propaganda.
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Steele would not have been used as a source for Fusion GPS if he was not reliable. If Fusion GPS information was not reliable the Republicans and Democrats would not use them. If Steele was not a reliable source Fusion GPS would risk going out of business. The FBI used Steele for a source for years. Steele was part of intelligence community and would have interacted with the FBI for years in a professional capacity.
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Steele was hired by Fusion GPS to investigate Trump scandals and Fusion GPS was hired by a Republican donor with extremely deep pockets. He cared enough to hire the very best.
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Trump buddies had several passports and to prove they were not someplace they would use one of their other passports. Paul Manafort held three passports.

“How People Like Paul Manafort Have Multiple Passports”

Source: Travel and Leisure
Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 3 Apr, 2019 08:41 am
@Zardoz,
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Trump was in a primary and his opponents are willing to pay for all the dirt they can find on him.
Noticed the date of the original dossier it was reported in September of 2015 nearly a year before Hillary is even nominated. Note also that the reporter was one of Rupert Murdock’s former employee. It can’t be a cover up because it is published a year before Hillary needed dirt on Trump. Fusion GPS simply sold the research they had already done it for the Republicans.

Lies, lies and more lies. Here's the truth:
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In October 2015, Fusion GPS was contracted by conservative political website The Washington Free Beacon to provide general opposition research on Trump and other Republican presidential candidates. In April 2016, attorney Marc Elias separately hired Fusion GPS to investigate Trump on behalf of Hillary Clinton's campaign and the DNC. The Free Beacon stopped its backing when Trump became the presumptive Republican Party presidential nominee in May of 2016.[2] In June 2016, Fusion GPS subcontracted Steele's firm to compile the dossier. His instructions were to seek answers to why Trump would "repeatedly seek to do deals in a notoriously corrupt police state".[9] Clinton campaign officials were reportedly unaware that Fusion GPS had subcontracted Steele, and he was not told that the Clinton campaign was the recipient of his research.[10][11] Following Trump's election as president, funding from Clinton and the DNC ceased, but Steele continued his research and was reportedly paid directly by Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn R. Simpson.[12] The completed dossier was then handed to British and American intelligence services.[13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier

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The second source was not National Public Radio and there are many more sources just like it.

Like BuzzFeed?

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There are many Republicans that absolutely hate that grifter Trump. Trump is against almost everything the Republican Party stood for.

Doesn't change the fact that the GOP did not fund the dossier.

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City court is very informal while circuit court and federal courts are regimented. We could handle 50 cases in a couple of hours it would take circuit court six months to do the same. The cops did exactly the same thing I did they prosecuted their own cases except when the plaintiff retained an attorney. No one bothered to appeal to the supreme court for a $500 ticket.

I'm not surprised to hear you were involved is such unconstitutional actions. I wonder what a court of appeals would say about such actions.

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They say see something, say something. That applies to psychiatrists also.

If they have no professional ethics, which seems to be the case for a majority of leftists.

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You do realize that people lie and it is extremely easy to tell people what they want to hear. If psychiatrists depended on interviews with the patients there would be far fewer people locked up.

Lies, lies and more lies. They are suppose to be trained professionals with years of study and practice behind them, are you really claiming they don't know how to do their jobs?

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I did a little research on the claim that a foreign power has the 30,000 missing emails and it tracks back to Texas congressman who must have spent too much time with Trump. Evidently, he has absolutely no credibility and no one believes a word he has to say.

So you can't prove it was said, but you are going to claim some politician from Texas made the claim and that he must be hanging around Trump? Prove what you claim or retract it.

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Do you really trust a source that went out of business in 2014? It is hard to know who has decided to use that title to spread propaganda.

If they went out of business, how are they still publishing current articles? Stop with the duck and dodge of the facts.

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Steele would not have been used as a source for Fusion GPS if he was not reliable. If Fusion GPS information was not reliable the Republicans and Democrats would not use them. If Steele was not a reliable source Fusion GPS would risk going out of business.

He isn't a reliable source, the entire dossier has been proven to be fake and false.

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The FBI used Steele for a source for years. Steele was part of intelligence community and would have interacted with the FBI for years in a professional capacity.

He was fired from the FBI, they stopped using him because the info he provided turned out to be crap, just like the dossier.

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Steele was hired by Fusion GPS to investigate Trump scandals and Fusion GPS was hired by a Republican donor with extremely deep pockets. He cared enough to hire the very best.

No, I have already proven the facts on that case, and proven that you are lying.

Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 3 Apr, 2019 08:19 pm
@Baldimo,
You realize I have been running behind and just got to your March 25 post. I did comment on it that weekend though. There was collusion when Trump called on the Russian military to stage a cyber attack to get the missing 30,000 emails and a Russian cyber attack took place within in thirty minutes. The only way to get around calling that collusion is to call it by its real name treason. There are 38 people charged as a result of the Mueller report and some are charged with a “conspiracy against the United States.” You have not seen the Mueller Report and neither have I. A four-page summary from a man who had already written a 19-page report stating that Trump could never be guilty of anything even killing and roasting children on main street is less than worthless. Barr by any standard had to recuse himself from making any decision that had to do with the Mueller report. If a judge even knows someone involved in a case before him he must recuse himself. In this case Barr not only knew Trump but had written an opinion that Trump was innocent weeks before the Muller investigation was released. It was very obvious from even the Barr four-page release that he was trying hard to mislead the public. He quoted four sentences from the Mueller report but used only partial sentences taking them out of their context so there was not a complete thought there. What was he hiding? Why would want to hide anything? He would do anything to be attorney general? Barr is going to redact everything in the Mueller report except two words “No Collusion” and even those words would come from different pages. We can only hope that the entire report will be released to the public.

What we do know beyond any shadow of doubt is that Trump is only president because of the Russian military help nobody can dispute that.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2019 09:05 am
@Zardoz,
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There was collusion when Trump called on the Russian military to stage a cyber attack to get the missing 30,000 emails and a Russian cyber attack took place within in thirty minutes.

You are wrong. Joking is not collusion, besides, the DNC email hack happened about a week before Trump made that comment. The timeline doesn't fit, besides the FBI never got access to the DNC servers to verify the hack.

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There are 38 people charged as a result of the Mueller report and some are charged with a “conspiracy against the United States.”

This is where you start lying despite the known facts. All of those people indicted for "conspiracy" were Russians, no Americans. No Americans have been indicted and none will not be indicted for collusion with Russia.

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Barr by any standard had to recuse himself from making any decision that had to do with the Mueller report.

Wrong, he was under no obligation to "recuse" himself. This coming from a guy who wrote people tickets and then claims to have acted as the prosecutor as well.

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Barr not only knew Trump but had written an opinion that Trump was innocent weeks before the Muller investigation was released.

Fact's proof links?

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It was very obvious from even the Barr four-page release that he was trying hard to mislead the public. He quoted four sentences from the Mueller report but used only partial sentences taking them out of their context so there was not a complete thought there. What was he hiding? Why would want to hide anything? He would do anything to be attorney general? Barr is going to redact everything in the Mueller report except two words “No Collusion” and even those words would come from different pages. We can only hope that the entire report will be released to the public.

Out come the left wing talking points, I wondered how long it was going to take you to read all the talking points and then respond with them. It only took you about 2 weeks to get them all down. Thank you for proving you have no original thoughts, you got your marching orders and now you are using them.


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What we do know beyond any shadow of doubt is that Trump is only president because of the Russian military help nobody can dispute that.

Wrong, that's what the leftists and anti-Americans want you to think, I'm so happy you follow their brainless lead.


Zardoz
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2019 09:21 pm
@Baldimo,
Notice that the interest rates when Obama left office were fifteen times lower than when Reagan left office. Ten percent interest is nothing to brag about. The Reason interest rates went down under Reagan was he put several fudge factors into the inflation calculation lower inflation rates mean lower interest rates.
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Obama improved the loan market far more.
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The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees was one of the biggest unions in America and they publicized lay-offs from all over America. Under Reagan “employment of operators, fabricators, and laborers fell from 20 million 16.8 million, a decline of 15.9%.” that in just two years and they were not replaced however there were lots of jobs at McDonalds.
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Trickle down economic was Regan’s great economic theory that Reagan built his economic policy around. There is even a picture of Reagan complete with chart explaining trickle down economic to the nation. The trouble was in practice it was trickle up economics and the giant sucking sound was the sound of the middle-class standard of living be sucked up and the rich became super rich.
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There has to be a starting point and social security started those working paid the social security of those that were retired and social security continued that way for generations until Reagan figured that the baby boomers should be taxed to fund a slush fund to cover the massive tax cuts for the ungodly greedy. Paying for those who are retired is a pay as you go system. Social security was never intended to create a $2.93 trillion trust fund where you paid your social security in advance.
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The reason the women went to work in WWII was to aid the war effort not support their families. Your grandmother was in a small minority the majority of women returned home to raise their family and the men returning from the war took their place. There was not even a female police officer or truck driver when I went to work. Then one day they bought a woman in for a truck driver job. The guy testing her was told that he didn’t have to hire her but if he didn’t the city would lose their federal funding.
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Any book that lays out how the cost of living is determined will give you the basic facts whether it is right or left.
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I never watch Racheal Maddow. I am watching ID at that time of day. It looks like Trump is having a much harder time burying the report than he thought. We now know that Barr buried many of the key conclusions of the report and that is according to the investigators who wrote the nearly four hundred report. Trump is Russia’s biggest asset.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Fri 5 Apr, 2019 09:45 pm
@Baldimo,
“The VCR and personal computer were available in the late 1970s and were widely available in the 1980s but did not enter CPI basket of goods until 1987.

Source: 22.2 “How Changes in the Cost of Living are Measured”
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This did not happen during Obama or Clinton term in office but it did happen on Trumps watch this is when North Korea perfected an intercontinental ballistic missile and atomic bombs 16 times more powerful than we dropped on Japan. They simply did the math on Korea’s missile test if it went as far across the ocean as it went up in the air it would easily reach the United States. China was convinced that Trump was crazier than a sh** house rat and started supply North Korea’s atomic bomb technology and spy photographs have confirmed that. That way North Korea can take America out and that way it will not appear that China was behind it. It would be just two madmen taking each other out. That is why North Korea’s atomic program made leaps and bounds after Trump was elected by the Russians.
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The nukes don’t show up until President pussy grabber gets elected by the Russians. China will do everything in their power to make North Korea a nuclear power.
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In order to stay prepared for a military invasion of South Korea we have military games with our allies twice a year and Trump cancelled them without even consulting with our military leaders. They had a hard time convincing Trump not to remove all our troops from South Korea. They told the idiot if a nuclear missile was launched, we would know much sooner if we had troops were in South Korea. The hostage Trump got returned was beat to near death before they gave him back and died soon after. Trump to the rescue.
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It is a fact that Henry Ford invention was much harder to develop than all of the car companies since.
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Space X didn’t invent the bus they are just riding the bus.
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There will always be small tweaks on existing inventions but they will never equal the original invention.
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The media wasn’t lying many of the Republicans that attended the meeting bragged about it. The Republicans have no interest in America they are only interested in get reelected. The next presidential election begins on inauguration day they idea is to make the other side look as bad as possible and obstruct everything, to hell with America. It has been that way since Newt Gingrich.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 6 Apr, 2019 10:24 pm
@Baldimo,
With or without Jane Fonda being in Vietnam US servicemen would have been tortured. In fact, thousands more US servicemen would have been tortured had not Jane Fonda and other like her stood up to military industrial complex and said hell no, no more war. The ungodly greedy were getting rich hand over fist, the arms manufacturer had what they always wanted an unending war, and they made sure their children didn’t go to Vietnam. What would have stopped any US servicemen from being tortured was not to join a corrupt war in the first place. Vietnam was like going down the street on a dark nigh and seeing a mugger beating the hell out of a victim and deciding to help the mugger. The responsibility for any US servicemen being tortured is the responsibility of the military industrial complex that was getting rich off of the mugging.
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MSN runs even runs propaganda stories from Fox News but when their lies can be openly compared to the actual truth it is easy to tell the Fox News stories are nothing but propaganda. Fox News is just like the political fliers you get in your mail box at election time, you know they are all lies.
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Your news-paper does not have an editorial page? News-papers report facts all over the country. If there is a plane crash, they report the plane crashed and how many people were killed. They can speculate as to what caused the crash was but that is opinion if it has yet to be determined. People realize what is opinion and what is fact. What you have a problem with is you don’t think any facts that make your candidate look bad should ever be published. When Trump calls on Russian military to stage a cyber attack on America you don’t think they should report it and you especially don’t want the fact known that Russian military did as requested by Trump and attack the United States within 30 minutes. You believe that every news paper should always actively be campaigning for Trump.
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News papers print stories of investigations every day. We just had a story about the investigation of a small-town mayor and her administration for embezzlement of disaster money. The mayor said she worked all kinds of “volunteer” hours during the flood and paid herself out of the funds. It was sort of like Trumps charity everybody had their hands in the kitty.
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It has gotten so bad now that we can’t tell who is a Fox News employee and who is a White House employee and in some cases they are being paid by both Fox News and the White House. Fox News seems to be the farm team for the White House.
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Fox News was created as a vehicle for right wing propaganda it never pretended to have any legitimate journalistic purpose. While most of the mainstream media was not only founded for journalistic purposes it has served that purpose for decades. Only after the master of propaganda started did the absurd accusations start. People never question the main stream media for 100s of years only after the theater of the absurd was created did the accusations start.
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The proof that Red Rupert was partner with the Chinese was printed in a book years ago and Red Rupert may have sold his interest years ago but Red Rupert is still in the propaganda business he owns Fox News. You will find the rich have no morals they have only one God, money. If Red Rupert could make money in China, he would execute his mother for a few million more.
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Trump and his children are committing the same crime they accuse Hillary of everyday and no one says anything. Trump is on more private servers in a day that he uses for government work than Clinton was in years. That was just bogus nonsense and when other secretaries of states did the same thing there was no problem.
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The main stream news media reported every absurd allegation of the Republican congressmen no matter how absurd the allegations. What sparked the attack does not matter the only thing that matters was that the attack took place. What really bother about this was there were soldiers being killed daily in Iraq but that was never a problem for Republicans but when a diplomat was killed his life was worth a thousand regular soldiers. It didn’t bother the Republicans that they that they sent soldiers on a snipe hunt for nonexistent weapons of mass destruction that got 4,424 Americans killed. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 but the Republicans never apologized for getting 4,424 Americans killed they seized on one diplomat.
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Health care has been front and center for the last 10 years and what bought it back up was Trump saying he was going do away with Obamacare, again for the 217 time. Trump has got to get that tax off of the ungodly greedy no matter how many people have to die. The ungodly greedy are falling behind the Russian oligarchs who have 500-foot yacht with helicopter pads and the American can only afford 450-foot yachts.
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John Brennan was head of the CIA not Fox News he has been a career intelligence official. He did not spend his life electing Republicans as Roger Ailes did. Brennan serves as an analyst and all networks hire experts in their field. Roger Ailes was a professional political operative. You don’t know what a political operative is.
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Benghazi It was reported immediately after it happened just as any American killed in a warzone would be reported. Your beating a dead horse she isn’t running next year.
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People are either Democrats or Republicans but because you belong to a political party does not make you a professional political operative, that is a career choice.
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People who commit crimes go to jail but few get lifetime sentences.
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I don’t know anything about any information released by Wikileaks about baby Bush. Bush was a world class screw up and all the information was public. I had never heard of Wikileaks until a few years ago.
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Fox News stood to make millions for hosting one of the Democratic primaries but they lost that opportunity because Roger Ailes gave Trump all the debate questions.
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That was widely reported by main stream news stories that Hillary had been given one question. There is a big difference between one question and all of the questions it was obvious that Ailes did it to make sure Trump would get the nomination. Given the chances Fox would like to determine Trumps opponent in 2020 by supplying all the questions and they are not going to get the chance.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Sun 7 Apr, 2019 10:28 pm
@Baldimo,
There is millions of dollars-worth of proof if it was a lie it would open the DNC to millions of dollars of damages if Fox News sued. Notice that Fox News has not denied that it happened.
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The DNC denied Fox News the right to hold a Democratic primary because the head of Fox News gave all the questions to Trump before the debate. Would Trump cheat? In a heartbeat.
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“Bret Baier Urges Democrats to Reconsider Fox News Ban: Fox Derangement Syndrome”

Source: Fox News
Just thought you should hear it direct from Fox News.
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You might have caught a few mistakes but you have only disproven things in your mind. You seem to believe truth is what you want it to be. You are like Trump looking out over his inauguration crowd and proclaiming it the biggest in history even after pictures proved it was just another Trump lie.
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There are no professional liar networks on the left however Fox News exists for one reason only and that is to spread propaganda. This is exactly what Putin did in Russia. The main stream news media has a long-standing reputation for telling the truth. Fox News has a long-standing reputation for lying about everything and hosting the world’s greatest liar and swearing to every one of his lies.
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It is an accepted fact that Russia interfered in the 2016 election and succeeded in getting Trump elected. Trump was working a deal with Putin to build a Trump Tower in Moscow during the 2016 election. Trump Jr conducted a meeting with agents of the Russian KBG counterpart in Trump towers to come with a strategy to beat Hillary in the election. Trump publicly called on the Russian military to help him win the election by finding Hillary’s 30,000 emails by staging a cyberattack. Those are established facts. Trump is extremely stupid and the Russian may have played him for a dupe but he is their dupe.
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There is no doubt that 100s of thousands of pollutants are pumped into the air each year in America that result in over 4 million deaths in America. That is over four times as many Americans that were killed in both WWI and WWII and it happens every year. Let put more filthy coal pollution into the air. Maybe 8 million killed each year would be acceptable.
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What doesn’t rule is common sense those figures are considered accurate. If people died instantly of air pollution something would be done but if it takes 25 years or so for air pollution to kill you that is somehow acceptable. If it affected all children and caused them to have asthma instead of a small fraction something would be done. A death in the distant future is never considered as an immediate threat as one in the near future. That is accepted science Fox News would still insist that the sun orbits around the earth.
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It is easy it is a version of the idiot’s defense. If some countries are polluting the atmosphere than we should continue to pollute as much as possible and ignore all the deaths due to pollution.
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The polar icecaps are melting much more rapidly than had been projected even a few years ago. The polar ice where the polar bears hunted had disappeared which means they had to find another place to live.
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A polar bear with even the best sense of smell could only find the dump from a few miles away which means that they lived in that area all the time and that was not the case.
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Seals have quite an aroma and polar bears have evolved to hunt them and twenty miles is not 200 miles.
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It is very easy to tell when a writer wants to avoid the truth it is when they try to put perfect world constraints on the data. The writer in this case looked at different reports which had a number of points in each report. The writer than decided that the reports on global warming had to agree on every single point if they didn’t than he decided they did not agree at all. This was just a way of lying with statistics. The writer sat out with the idea to distort the information. Out of a hundred sources 99 agree that 97% of scientist agree that global warming is caused by man made sources one agrees with your author, Red Rupert’s employees is a majority of one.
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When you get $3 or $4 million from a book deal and magazine stories $200,000 is just chump change for the stupid chump. Law suit judgments are appealed for years and verdicts are often reduced.
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Cohen was working under Trump’s direction and only did what Trump told him to do. Trump is named in the same indictment as individual one.
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It wasn’t Cohen who was trying to cover up Cohen’s whore mongering, it was Trump whoremongering that Cohen was instructed to pay off Trump’s whore. Reality is the indictment and conviction.
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Election law is very clear and it states any money spent to win an election must be reported and if it is not you are going to jail. Both pay offs were done to win an election and that is the crime.
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Cohen had absolutely no reason to pay off Stormy Daniels only Trump has a reason to pay his whore off.
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Federalist: Pod Cast and online magazine stated in September 2013 these are stated in someone’s garage or out building and while they look like a real source, they are really no more than someone’s blog.


Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 8 Apr, 2019 07:02 am
@Zardoz,
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Notice that the interest rates when Obama left office were fifteen times lower than when Reagan left office.

You jump from Reagan to Obama? You can't face the facts that Reagan did great things for this country, that's why you have to jump almost 30 years to make a point, you have no points.

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Obama improved the loan market far more.

No he didn't. In fact he made it more difficult to get loans, it's one of the reasons his "economic recovery" was one of the slowest in US history.

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The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees was one of the biggest unions in America and they publicized lay-offs from all over America. Under Reagan “employment of operators, fabricators, and laborers fell from 20 million 16.8 million, a decline of 15.9%.” that in just two years and they were not replaced however there were lots of jobs at McDonalds.

I guess that is what happens with cities expect the feds to support their over spending. Why should federal tax payers be paying for the poor choices made by you and your local govt.

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Trickle down economic was Regan’s great economic theory that Reagan built his economic policy around.

Wrong again, the only people who called it "trickle down" were those who were against Reagan's economic idea's. It was actually called "Supply side economic's" and it worked to save our economy that was almost destroyed in the 1970's. You will find no real theory called "trickle down", that was propaganda made up by the DNC and the MSM.

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never watch Racheal Maddow. I am watching ID at that time of day. It looks like Trump is having a much harder time burying the report than he thought. We now know that Barr buried many of the key conclusions of the report and that is according to the investigators who wrote the nearly four hundred report. Trump is Russia’s biggest asset.

You claim to not watch Rachel Maddow, yet you push the same BS she does... how can that be? Your more then likely lying.




Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 8 Apr, 2019 07:23 am
@Zardoz,
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“The VCR and personal computer were available in the late 1970s and were widely available in the 1980s but did not enter CPI basket of goods until 1987.

2 items on a list of about 200 items... are you suggesting that VCR's which at the time of their release cost about $1000, and the PC, which at the time of their release cost several thousand shouldn't be used to determine what it costs to live in the US? This is a far cry of your claim about computer memory being used to determine COL. The current cost of those items if far lower than it was almost 40 years ago. Laptops are cheap and VCR's are no longer produced.

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This did not happen during Obama or Clinton term in office but it did happen on Trumps watch this is when North Korea perfected an intercontinental ballistic missile and atomic bombs 16 times more powerful than we dropped on Japan.

It all happened during Clinton, Bush and Obama Presidential admins. Clinton actually gave them the tech and money to develope weapons, it's taken them this long to perfect what they have. Trump might be in office, but he's done more to work with NK than Obama ever did.

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It is a fact that Henry Ford invention was much harder to develop than all of the car companies since.

So? Does that mean anything new since then is not given credit for the advancements and innovations made?

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Space X didn’t invent the bus they are just riding the bus.

No, they improved the bus and made it thousands of time cheaper to ride the bus. They also made the bus land on it's own in the middle of the ocean.
Why bother giving credit for the airplane to the Write Brothers, birds learned to fly first, they were just copying birds.

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There will always be small tweaks on existing inventions but they will never equal the original invention.

Small tweaks? You don't understand how things work do you?


Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 8 Apr, 2019 09:34 am
@Zardoz,
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There is millions of dollars-worth of proof if it was a lie it would open the DNC to millions of dollars of damages if Fox News sued. Notice that Fox News has not denied that it happened.

Hasn't denied what? Giving questions to Trump? Your the only person I have seen make this claim, no one else in the news has reported such a blantant lie. It was created to divert from Hillary, the DNC and CNN colluding together before a debate.

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EvEverything that you don’t want to believe is not a lie.

It's the lies you tell that I don't believe.

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The DNC denied Fox News the right to hold a Democratic primary because the head of Fox News gave all the questions to Trump before the debate. Would Trump cheat? In a heartbeat.

That never happened, the DNC denied Fox News a primary debate because they think they will be mean to them. That's all it's about, the DNC has weak candidates and they know Fox News will expose them as the weak people they are.

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“Bret Baier Urges Democrats to Reconsider Fox News Ban: Fox Derangement Syndrome”

Source: Fox News
Just thought you should hear it direct from Fox News.

Did you read the article? I don't think you did, because he says the DNC has "Fox derangement syndrome", they are scared of Fox News.
"On Sunday morning’s edition of FNC's "MediaBuzz," host Howard Kurtz interviewed fellow network host Bret Baier about the DNC's decision not to allow Fox to host a 2020 primary debate. Baier blamed "Fox Derangement Syndrome" for the decision, saying that when he moderated a town hall-style debate between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton in 2016, "both sides said they thought it was tough but fair."

Baier said he was "disappointed" and "I hope they will reconsider."

"We have a long track record of being tough but fair to Republicans, Democrats, independents, whatever. Three years ago this week, I was doing a town hall with Secretary Clinton and Sen. Sanders -- both campaigns said they thought it was tough but fair."



"Chris Wallace has been touted as a great general election debate moderator, he got a lot of praise from both sides," Baier said.

"The loudest critics of Fox are often the people who don't watch," the FNC anchor also said. "and I say, watch my show three times and drop me an email... and the people who do say that they get it, they think it is fair."

"There is a disconnect here... There is a bit of Fox derangement syndrome with a section of the left," Baier said. "There are a lot of candidates and a lot of people in the Democratic Party who realize the power of the viewership and the power of the fairness of the news operation. But often they are drowned out by the loud voices on the left side of the party.""

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You might have caught a few mistakes but you have only disproven things in your mind.

Mistakes? I'd call them lies, propaganda and mistruths. I disproved a majority of your lies and propaganda and continue to do so. You can't even give an honest accounting of an article, I had to copy the whole thing to prove you wrong.

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There are no professional liar networks on the left however Fox News exists for one reason only and that is to spread propaganda.

Sure there are, CNN and MSNBC. If you can't admit their left wing bias, then you are blind.

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It is an accepted fact that Russia interfered in the 2016 election and succeeded in getting Trump elected.

Wrong, totally disproved with the release of the Mueller report. Russia interfered in the election but it's purpose wasn't to elect Trump. It was to do exactly what you are doing, like a dumb fish, you fell for it hook, line and sinker. The bait was in your belly before they set the hook, now you can't get off of it. If anything, it was you and your ilk who were doing the bidding of the Russians. How's it feel to be a Russian tool?

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There is no doubt that 100s of thousands of pollutants are pumped into the air each year in America that result in over 4 million deaths in America.

I'm going to assume you are going to call this a mistake and not a lie. It's reported that it's about 4 million per year in the entire world, not in the US. You wonder why nothing you say is trust worthy?

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If some countries are polluting the atmosphere than we should continue to pollute as much as possible and ignore all the deaths due to pollution.

We shouldn't deliberately harm our own economy when the changes we would make will have no effect. We already have some of the cleanest air in the world, and it could be cleaner if we used advanced forms of energy production, like Thorium reactors. Solar and wind can not produce the energy we need to run or modern world. Not to mention that only about 50% of a barrel of oil us used for energy, the rest is used to create the things that make our world. Nothing electronic would exist without oil.

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The polar icecaps are melting much more rapidly than had been projected even a few years ago.

Wrong again. They are not melting faster then expected, if that were true their predictions would be accurate, and their predictions have been 100% wrong. We should be sailing ships through the Arctic in the summer if they were correct. We are not even close.

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A polar bear with even the best sense of smell could only find the dump from a few miles away which means that they lived in that area all the time and that was not the case.

This will be my last comment on this subject, you are wrong. I'll point out again, the trash hadn't been removed in several months, and there were tons and tons of trash, it drew the bears. Climate change had nothing to do with it.

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Seals have quite an aroma and polar bears have evolved to hunt them and twenty miles is not 200 miles.

The lie to this story is that even Time waits until the last sentence to throw in the crap about global warming, at least the other article was honest enough to mention the real problem, the lack of the town having their trash taken away. Seals smell nothing like trash, and with that much trash, the smell would have over whelmed any other scents the bears would pick up. Bears are lazy, living in CO, you hear stories about bears getting into trash all the time. In fact, people living in the mountains have to have special bear proof trash cans to prevent the easy meal.

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It is very easy to tell when a writer wants to avoid the truth it is when they try to put perfect world constraints on the data. The writer in this case looked at different reports which had a number of points in each report. The writer than decided that the reports on global warming had to agree on every single point if they didn’t than he decided they did not agree at all. This was just a way of lying with statistics.

You just explained the problem with the 97% stat. Thank you.

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Cohen was working under Trump’s direction and only did what Trump told him to do. Trump is named in the same indictment as individual one.

Actually, if you heard Cohen's "testimony" he said Trump never told him to do it. Like a bad mafia movie, he claims it was his "movement" which told him what to do... yeah, right. The desperation is getting bad.

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It wasn’t Cohen who was trying to cover up Cohen’s whore mongering, it was Trump whoremongering that Cohen was instructed to pay off Trump’s whore. Reality is the indictment and conviction.

She wasn't a whore, she was a porn star. Trump's inability to stay faithful to his spouse wasn't a secret. He was a known playboy in NY going back to the 80's. He never claimed to be a paragon of virtue, but that requirement was cast aside when Bill Clinton was busted getting BJ's in the Oral Office and paid off other women which he had sexually harassed, one woman he even raped. Let's not pretend we are looking for Saints to be President.

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Election law is very clear and it states any money spent to win an election must be reported and if it is not you are going to jail. Both pay offs were done to win an election and that is the crime.

Except Cohen made the payments, Trump wasn't involved and had nothing to disclose.

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Cohen had absolutely no reason to pay off Stormy Daniels only Trump has a reason to pay his whore off.

He wanted to work in the WH, that's why he did it. He figured if he fixed it for Trump, he would get hired.

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Federalist: Pod Cast and online magazine stated in September 2013 these are stated in someone’s garage or out building and while they look like a real source, they are really no more than someone’s blog.

You have zero understanding of how these things work do you. Sure there are some people who start out that way, but there are also big names involved in the pod cast world, it has become such a big thing that the MSM is trying to get involved in the youtube and podcast world.

Zardoz
 
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Reply Mon 8 Apr, 2019 08:27 pm
@Baldimo,
I think you should start your own on line magazine and podcast site like the Federalist and you could use it as a reference source for your arguments. In America at one time we have had a relative few news sources for national news and they agreed with each other because they reported the truth. Now there are literally millions of sources for national news and the vast majority are bogus. But the trouble is people still believe whatever they read whether it is true or not. The old value where you could believe what you read no longer holds now you have to make sure any information comes from a reliable and established news source. In the age of Fox News lying for fun and profit has become the rule not the exception.
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That is ridiculous if Obama had told the FBI that it would have got the same reaction from Comey that Trump got trying to kill the Russian investigation. The FBI would continue to investigate. Trump was the boss and he could fire them and in fact did fire them but he could not stop the investigation into Trump and Russia. Obama and Clinton were bitter enemies during the 2008 primary. Trump tried being boss hog and running over top the FBI and it didn’t work out for the idiot. The President, whoever he is, does not get to use the FBI as a political tool. Trump would have Clinton investigated a hundred time more if he was the boss hog of the FBI and Trump really believed that the FBI job was persecute his political enemies.
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Private emails all go through private servers. If you use private emails for government work, they go through a private server. There is no difference they both use a private server.
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They work in the White House, Trump and his children along with his press secretary.
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So, your saying that there is emergency every day in the Whitehouse that Trump has to use Twitter to conduct government business using Twitter for government policy statements. There are literally thousands of government employees using private servers everyday it was a trumped-up charge to begin with. There are rules and there are rules that are enforced and then there are rules that are only enforced against certain people.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 9 Apr, 2019 09:57 am
@Zardoz,
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I think you should start your own on line magazine and podcast site like the Federalist and you could use it as a reference source for your arguments.

You sure seem to be spending a lot of time trying to discredit a source when you fail 98% of the time to credit any source. How about instead of wasting time trying to discredit a good source and come up with your own.

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In America at one time we have had a relative few news sources for national news and they agreed with each other because they reported the truth.

This was the case 40years ago, then the leftists started their own propaganda network, CNN.

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Now there are literally millions of sources for national news and the vast majority are bogus.

How do you come to the conclusion that they are bogus?

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But the trouble is people still believe whatever they read whether it is true or not.

Vox, MSNBC and CNN are perfect examples of news being not true. CNN and MSNBC spent 2 years on the Russian collusion story, and they got it 100% wrong. They are still holding on to the dead story and hoping they can convince people they are right.

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The old value where you could believe what you read no longer holds now you have to make sure any information comes from a reliable and established news source.

Established news source means zero in this world. MSNBC and CNN are perfect examples of "established news" being wrong for 2 years. Have you seen the ratings for CNN and MSNBC since the Mueller report was finished? Tucker Carlson is beating all of CNN's shows combined, CNN and MSBNC are in their death throws.

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In the age of Fox News lying for fun and profit has become the rule not the exception.

Fox News is actually one of the most actuate news channels in cable news. They surly didn't get the biggest story of the decade wrong, no collusion between Trump or anyone in his campaign with Russia.

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That is ridiculous if Obama had told the FBI that it would have got the same reaction from Comey that Trump got trying to kill the Russian investigation.

1000% wrong. Obama had been running the US govt for 8 years, he had all his people in place, the very same people who have either been fired or removed from their gov positions. There were at least 4 or 5 high profile people either fired or removed, they were all involved with the Russia investigation.

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The FBI would continue to investigate.

Doesn't change the fact that many FBI officials lost their jobs because of this scam.

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Trump was the boss and he could fire them and in fact did fire them but he could not stop the investigation into Trump and Russia.

Trump only fired one person, Comey. There never should have been an investigation in the first place, as the evidence shows there was no collusion. It was all made up by the DNC and Obama's "intelligence agencies".

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Obama and Clinton were bitter enemies during the 2008 primary.

And yet, he still hired her crooked cheating ass. She did nothing as SoS, had zero success and did nothing to highlight her profile. She failed in the ME, she failed with the Russian Reset, she failed everywhere. Not one single successful thing done in the 4 or 5 years she held the slot. The only thing she did was sell favors out of her office.

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The President, whoever he is, does not get to use the FBI as a political tool.

Obama did just that, he ordered the spying on Trump's campaign, they put moles on his staff in an attempt to catch him at something, they failed and had to resort to the DNC dossier.

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Trump would have Clinton investigated a hundred time more if he was the boss hog of the FBI and Trump really believed that the FBI job was persecute his political enemies.

Hillary still needs to go to jail for her involvement is keeping secret documents on an unsecured private server.

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Private emails all go through private servers. If you use private emails for government work, they go through a private server. There is no difference they both use a private server.

First off you don't understand the difference between an private email and a private server. If you have a private email account from Yahoo, you don't have a private server, it is a public server that anyone can use.

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They work in the White House, Trump and his children along with his press secretary.

They aren't using private servers nor are they passing classified material along those private email accounts. Hillary on the other hand had thousands of classified emails on her private server in her house. We know it was thousands because she never used her govt issued email account.

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So, your saying that there is emergency every day in the Whitehouse that Trump has to use Twitter to conduct government business using Twitter for government policy statements.

I don't think I have said anything about Trumps use of Twitter, this is the first time to subject has come up. Just like Obama's Twitter account, all of those tweets will be archived and saved. That's more than what happened with Hillary's private email server.

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There are literally thousands of government employees using private servers everyday it was a trumped-up charge to begin with.

Those govt employees are stupid and shouldn't be using their personal email accounts for govt business. I have a work email, and I never use it for personal emails and I never use my personal email for work related things. I have to different email programs on my cellphone for this very purpose.






Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 9 Apr, 2019 10:19 pm
@Baldimo,
You have no idea what people are paid for stories on celebrities it is enough that there are groups of people following celebrities all the time. A story about a married celebrity being caught with whore is one thing but a celebrity being caught with a famous whore is another and it goes to a whole new level when the celebrity is a presidential candidate. That sells lots of magazines and newspapers and the rating for television shows go through the roof. Usually it ends the whoremonger political career but the religious right has decided there is nothing wrong with adultery and whoremongering in this case.
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Cohen was working for Trump if Trump told Cohen to kill his wife and Cohen did it, Trump is just as guilty of murder as Cohen. The same standard applies to this situation in fact, Trump is far more guilty because Cohen was under no obligation to report Trump’s campaign expenditures but Trump was required by law to report the money, he was paying whores so they would be silent.
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The non-disclosure agreement was only binding on Stormy Daniels not Trump. At best a non-disclosure agreements are a civil agreements and breaking them is not criminal offence and the only penalty is a civil judgment. Once it was known that Trump had committed a crime Stormy Daniels was a material witness and was no longer bound by that agreement. She would be compelled to testify publicly in court about the crime. When purpose of contract was to help someone in the commission of a crime, they are rendered null in void in any court of law. You can not contract to commit a crime.
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The Access Hollywood tape was all Trump, that is exactly who he is. You did not see any gun to his head when he was bragging about grabbing women’s pussies. That was a public conversation in front of several people. Trump hung around with the mafia all his life if he had grabbed one of those gangster’s wives or girlfriend, they would have found Trump floating in the Hudson river. I bet Trump knew which ones he could grab and which ones not to grab. If Trump had not said it, no news organization could have reported. At race track one night another driver came over angry and wanting to fight. We had been involved in a wreck. Two cars had spun out in the first corner. It was a small track and I could not miss hitting him. He came over trying to say I had disconnected the right front brake to set my car up car sideways in the corners. I explained that all the breaks worked and that it was him setting sideways in the corner that caused the wreck. That is the way Trump supporters see it was not ever Trump fault for bragging about sexually assaulting women it was the media fault for reporting it. You really think that the legitimate news media should be like Fox News and should never report anything bad about Trump.

Do you think the legitimate news media should not have reported that Gary Hart had a girl friend when he was running for president? The legitimate news media would report it whether he was Republican or Democrat but like you Fox News would try to bury the story if he was a Republican.
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An economic pie is just like a regular pie it can be cut up any way and that includes 1% get 96% of the pie while the other 99% get to divide up the remaining 4% of the pie wouldn’t you say the 1% is getting an excess of the pie?
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America had an egalitarian distribution of wealth to start with and that distribution of wealth laid the foundation for the country otherwise America would be just like South America today. The unemployment increase took place after Reagan took office we had never seen that many people laid off at one time. Four hundred to five hundred laid off in a place where there was never a layoff was unheard off until Reagan. Making the ungodly greedy richer totally corrupted our political system the ungodly greedy used their tax savings into corrupting politicians so they could get more tax cuts to further corrupt our political system. There were no robber barons when America was founded it was almost entirely an economy based on agriculture. Warren Buffet said it best if there is class warfare in America his side was winning by a huge margin.
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You have forgot about inflation and the ever-increasing cost of medical care what ever increase you think you got is an illusion after reality set in. You don’t the standard of living of your father’s generation in the middle seventies. The trouble with entry level pay, after a few years of inflation looks like your making a whole lot more money but once inflation is taken into account and you use real dollars instead of inflated dollars you see through the illusion. Think of it as a balloon it inflates and gets bigger but when the air (inflation) is taken out you are still holding the same balloon.


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Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 10 Apr, 2019 10:06 pm
@Baldimo,
By far the vast majority of money goes into the Republican Party, there is far more than direct contributions to candidates. The Super PAC, the political action committees, provide the majority of the money spent in a political campaign. Some PAC are structured to allow the ungodly greedy to remain anonymous. Sheldon Adelson, the owner of the pee bar where Trump made the deal on holding the Miss Universe Pageant in Russia, contributed $82,582,800 to the 2016 election and had bragged he would contribute a billion to win the presidency. You have to use some common sense since many of the ungodly greedy contributions are anonymous. Most of the ungodly are not going to contribute to party that is going to raise their taxes. The Republicans are the party of tax cuts for the ungodly greedy and more tax cuts from the ungodly greedy and even more tax cuts for the ungodly greedy. That is what the ungodly greedy want and that is what they are willing to pay billions to get.
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When you cut the taxes on the ungodly greedy by 60% you have given them the $21 trillion dollars that the country is in debt. When we went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan the taxes on the ungodly greedy should have been raised to 93% as was the case in past wars instead the taxes on the ungodly greedy were cut instead. They were getting something for nothing. The country’s bill have to be paid with tax money instead of borrowed money. The results of the Republican tax cut are in and more people had to pay more taxes this year than in the past. Twenty-eight percent of people had to pay more tax while twenty-one percent said they paid less, while another twenty five percent said they paid the same amount and the remaining said they didn’t know. I got my dollar and thirty cents a year. If you paid less you were lucky. Divorce will completely ruin you that is why I have been married 47 years. I know one policeman that the judge gave his ex-wife his entire salary plus. He had a second job so she got his salary from the police department. We had a foreman at work who went to see a lawyer about getting a divorce. The lawyer asked if she had ever worked, this was prior to Reagan, she had not. The lawyer explained you will have to support her and give her the house. The lawyer said that he could not afford a divorce to go home and make up with her. Divorce is luxury that many cannot afford.
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You are the one trying to make us feel sorry for the poor billionaires who are not paying their share of the taxes. If those making over $200,000 are paying 58% of the taxes, we would have to know what percentage of the income they have. Even if you had a flat tax you would need to know the percentage of income that those making over $200,000 have. The ungodly greedy have done a good job convincing the public that we should feel sorry for poor ungodly greedy. The ungodly greedy now pay a smaller share of their income in taxes than the middle class or poor when all taxes are taken into account.

Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 11 Apr, 2019 09:39 am
@Zardoz,
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By far the vast majority of money goes into the Republican Party, there is far more than direct contributions to candidates.

You have zero proof of what you claim. I've proved the facts that the DNC for the last 3 presidential cycles have had the majority of campaign money. Obama and Hillary both got $1 billion for their campaigns.

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The Super PAC, the political action committees, provide the majority of the money spent in a political campaign. Some PAC are structured to allow the ungodly greedy to remain anonymous.

2016 results for PAC money:
Priorities USA Action supports Clinton Liberal $192,065,767
Right to Rise USA supports Bush Conservative $121,695,224
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/superpacs.php?cycle=2016
Trump wasn't even in the top 10 of supported Super Pac's.

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Sheldon Adelson, contributed $82,582,800 to the 2016 election and had bragged he would contribute a billion to win the presidency.

So what, he didn't spend the most, that was Thomas Steyer, he gave $91,078,136 and 100% went to DNC candidates.
https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topindivs.php?cycle=2016&view=fc

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You have to use some common sense since many of the ungodly greedy contributions are anonymous. Most of the ungodly are not going to contribute to party that is going to raise their taxes. The Republicans are the party of tax cuts for the ungodly greedy and more tax cuts from the ungodly greedy and even more tax cuts for the ungodly greedy. That is what the ungodly greedy want and that is what they are willing to pay billions to get.

The ungodly greedy donate a majority of their campaign money to the DNC and their candidates. I post several links which prove this. You on the other hand have nothing but lies and opinions.

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When you cut the taxes on the ungodly greedy by 60% you have given them the $21 trillion dollars that the country is in debt.

Wrong, our $21 trillion is all spending, and has nothing to do with tax cuts. We could tax the rich at 100% and we still wouldn't pay for all the free stuff you want to hand out.

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When we went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan the taxes on the ungodly greedy should have been raised to 93% as was the case in past wars instead the taxes on the ungodly greedy were cut instead.

A majority of those tax cuts were done prior to going into Iraq and Afghanistan. People like you always seem to forget the small recession we were in at the time. You remembrance of history is really bad.

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The results of the Republican tax cut are in and more people had to pay more taxes this year than in the past. Twenty-eight percent of people had to pay more tax while twenty-one percent said they paid less, while another twenty five percent said they paid the same amount and the remaining said they didn’t know.

No they didn't, a vast majority of people paid less in taxes, me included. I've owed taxes for the last several years, this was the first year I got a return. Do you have any proof of these BS claims and numbers you are providing? The MSM stopped their fake news stories on taxes going up, why haven't you?

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Divorce is luxury that many cannot afford.

It depends on the laws in the state on if someone can afford divorce or not. You can get divocred without a lawyer if the couple can come to terms on items. My problem is that CO has a law on the books about 40% of income from the higher earning spouse goes to the lower earning spouse if the income is above a certain amount. It's theft plain and simple.

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You are the one trying to make us feel sorry for the poor billionaires who are not paying their share of the taxes.

You are the only one using "feelings" when it comes to this debate, because feelings are all you have.

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If those making over $200,000 are paying 58% of the taxes, we would have to know what percentage of the income they have.

That's not the way our system works, it might be how you think it should work but it doesn't work that way, envy is ugly.

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Even if you had a flat tax you would need to know the percentage of income that those making over $200,000 have.

No you don't, only those who wish to punish success want to know that answer. A flat tax would be the most fair tax system.

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The ungodly greedy have done a good job convincing the public that we should feel sorry for poor ungodly greedy. The ungodly greedy now pay a smaller share of their income in taxes than the middle class or poor when all taxes are taken into account.

You should really stop with the mistruths. No one has convinced anyone, what actually happens is people start to earn money and realize how much they actually have to pay, they realize they were wrong and want to change the tax code. As for who actually pays taxes, the poor pay zero federal taxes, they get more back than they pay into the system, so they take money from the feds, they don't pay.

If you want to talk about corp taxes, that would be a subject to discuss. I don't like the fact that big companies end up paying little to no corp taxes. We should be closing loop holes or limiting them to smaller business who actually need to help.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Thu 11 Apr, 2019 10:16 pm
@Baldimo,
Let’s face it, the money from the ungodly greedy is going to be used to buy an army of crooked politicians or it could be collected for taxes. What is obvious is that the ungodly greedy don’t need the money from the huge tax cuts because they just use it to buy crooked politicians.
Amazon’s development was going to destroy much of the affordable housing in that neighborhood Anyone that thinks we should be handing out $3 million in taxpayer money to world’s richest man is a Kleptocrat, it is just plain stealing from taxpayers. Some of Trump’s best friends are Kleptocrats from Russia. A company pays taxes to pay for the government services it uses.
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What they were preventing was setting up super PACs that were using a loophole to make them tax exempt and let those corrupting our political system and do so anonymously. If you are going to try to corrupt our political system your name should be listed so everyone would know.
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Sorry, but you have to believe history and history says America had an egalitarian distribution of wealth. You don’t get to rewrite history. Small businesses and farms were the order of the day and would be an egalitarian distribution of wealth. There was nothing on the order of Amazon. The garbage you refer to is history. Just like those who insist that the Holocaust never happened it was a lie, but what about all the pictures? The founding fathers were like the rest of the country mostly farmers and they did not fund the revolution. They might have gathered donations but they did not have deep pockets.
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The national debt was on course to be paid off until Reagan tripled the national debt during his term in office to cut the taxes on the ungodly greedy by 60%. The bankruptcy courts are full of people and businesses that tripled their debt. Every President since WWII paid down the national debt before Reagan just one decided to triple it to cut the ungodly greedy taxes. If there had been another world war that would have been a justification for tripling the debt but not cutting the taxes on the ungodly greedy.
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You might not believe it but history proves it beyond any and all shadow of a doubt.
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Taxes are indeed part of our constitution the 16th Amendment made taxing excess wealth the law of the land. Your so fond of the second amendment you should appreciate the 16th.
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That America had an egalitarian distribution of wealth is just one fact of many.
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Trump has not got close to the GDP during Obama term. The figures used for Trump were GNP which does not take into account all production. It still hasn’t happened.
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Women did not want to work most took home economics in high school and planned to make a career out of managing a household. There were a few career women but most realized that you could not raise children by remote control. A lot of society’s troubles can be traced to latch key kids. Women have to go back to work so soon after giving birth that they never bond with their children but the ungodly greedy need bigger tax cuts.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2019 09:23 am
@Zardoz,
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Let’s face it, the money from the ungodly greedy is going to be used to buy an army of crooked politicians or it could be collected for taxes.

Those are the only options?

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What is obvious is that the ungodly greedy don’t need the money from the huge tax cuts because they just use it to buy crooked politicians.

You have a single track mind.

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Amazon’s development was going to destroy much of the affordable housing in that neighborhood

That isn't true, you already pointed out a while ago that NY has rent control, so stop lying.

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Anyone that thinks we should be handing out $3 million in taxpayer money to world’s richest man is a Kleptocrat, it is just plain stealing from taxpayers.

The money actually belongs to the company, not the politicians, them keeping more of their own money isn't stealing anything from the taxpayers. It was money they never had in the first place.

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No it doesn't, it pay taxes so politicians can spend the money on pet projects that don't even benefit a majority of the tax payers who pay for it.

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What they were preventing was setting up super PACs that were using a loophole to make them tax exempt and let those corrupting our political system and do so anonymously.

Who was preventing what?

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Sorry, but you have to believe history and history says America had an egalitarian distribution of wealth.

I don't have to believe your false take on history. You have zero proof we were an egalitarian distribution of wealth. Provide the proof are give up the lies.

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You don’t get to rewrite history. Small businesses and farms were the order of the day and would be an egalitarian distribution of wealth.

You don't get to rewrite history. Sorry to tell you but no one was "distributing wealth" at the founding of our nation. Once again, provide the proof or give up the lie.

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Just like those who insist that the Holocaust never happened it was a lie, but what about all the pictures?

Don't compare the Holocaust to the lies you are telling about the economy of the US. We can prove the Holocaust happened, you can't prove anything you have claimed.

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The founding fathers were like the rest of the country mostly farmers and they did not fund the revolution. They might have gathered donations but they did not have deep pockets.

You really don't understand our history do you? You have a major problem with giving credit were credit is due.

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The national debt was on course to be paid off until Reagan tripled the national debt during his term in office to cut the taxes on the ungodly greedy by 60%.

No it wasn't. Proof fact's links?

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The bankruptcy courts are full of people and businesses that tripled their debt.

Just like the govt, they spent more than they had. Unlike the govt, they don't have an endless supply of money for pet projects and endless charity at the expense of the taxpayers.

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Every President since WWII paid down the national debt before Reagan just one decided to triple it to cut the ungodly greedy taxes.

Proof fact's links? The national debt has done nothing but grow under every single modern day President. Even Clinton saw an increase in the national debt.

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If there had been another world war that would have been a justification for tripling the debt but not cutting the taxes on the ungodly greedy.

I guess you have forgotten about the cold war...

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You might not believe it but history proves it beyond any and all shadow of a doubt.

You have proven nothing via history, you rewrite it and lie about the events to fit whatever lie you are going to tell. I disproven your claims many many times on this thread.

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Taxes are indeed part of our constitution the 16th Amendment made taxing excess wealth the law of the land.

There is no such law to tax "excess wealth" and you can't provide the proof that it taxes "excess wealth". You can provide proof that we tax people, but the term "excess wealth" isn't listed in the law.

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Your so fond of the second amendment you should appreciate the 16th.

I'm actually fond of all the Amendments, I don't pick and choose which one's I like based on my political beliefs. Liberty and freedom for all.

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That America had an egalitarian distribution of wealth is just one fact of many.

You keep saying this but have utterly failed to prove it. Saying something doesn't make it so.

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Trump has not got close to the GDP during Obama term. The figures used for Trump were GNP which does not take into account all production. It still hasn’t happened.

Trump's economy is way stronger than Obama's economy ever was. Obama had one of the slowest and weakest end to a money crises event in US history. Obama didn't have the faintest idea how an economy works and it showed with the laws he signed.


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Reply Fri 12 Apr, 2019 08:48 pm
@Baldimo,
The women’s movement was not about going to work. No one had a gun to the women head to keep them from going to work. The women’s right movement started in 1769 and it was to give women the right to own property. In 1777 all states passed laws to take away the women’s right to vote. In 1839 Mississippi grants the women right to hold property. In 1866 the 14th amendment was passed which defined citizen and voter as “male.” The right acted like the women’s right movement was something new but it had been going for a couple hundred years and it wasn’t because women were not allowed to work. It had to do with things like honey if you don’t put out you don’t work here anymore. There was no law that prohibited women from working if they wanted to and no movement was necessary to remove a law that didn’t exist. Who benefited from women going to work? The ungodly greedy if both husband and wife worked there was no reason to pay them nearly as much if they had two incomes.
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The thing about the big pay raises is they were illusionary though you made significantly more money but after 20 years when the salary was adjusted for inflation you made less in real dollars. Generally, we negotiated pay raises in across the board figures instead of percentages. The labors were close to breaking even after inflation while the skilled employees lost in actual dollars. Those Federal dollars came from Huntington in the first place and Federal Revenue Sharing was just returning a small portion of the people’s money to the community but Reagan decided to instead give that money back to the ungodly greedy.
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It was very reasonable for the Federal Government to return a small portion of the taxes collected in the community to that community.
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You are just allergic to facts and the fact is Russia went bankrupt. Reagan did not invade Russia nor was he in Russia holding a gun to their head to make them over spend themselves into bankruptcy. The only thing Reagan can claim was that he was a witness to Russia bankruptcy.
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It is a good comparison Reagan did not invade Russia even though he acted the part of conquering hero. When Greece went bankrupt do you think Obama should take credit. Just because another country went bankrupt during your term in office you can’t take credit.
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Reagan politics have nothing to do with capitalism he got his political philosophy directly from Russia via Aya Rand (Alisa Zinovyevna Rosenbaum) the purpose is to create an aristocracy based on wealth and he did, now in America the ungodly greedy, the richest 1%, have 90% of America’s wealth not only that but their wealth gives them the vast majority of the political power. A group of millionaires are now campaign to raise the taxes on the ungodly greedy because they recognize that if ungodly greedy succeeded in destroying the middle-class, they will destroy them also. Only a strong middle class makes a country prosper. Kill the middle class, kill the country. Reagan and Ayn Rand both believe that ungodly greedy are entitled to everything based on their wealth everybody else in the country is too stupid to even come in out of the rain and that is exactly how she felt.

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Reply Sat 13 Apr, 2019 09:25 pm
@Baldimo,
Trump has probably committed more fraud than any conman in America. As you get older you have many more medical issues than when you are young. That is exactly why private insurance did not want to insure older people, that is why Medicare had to be created. As you get older private insurance ups your health insurance based on your age. Everything has a design purpose and private health insurance was designed to make a profit not to help sick people. You can’t serve two masters or two purposes. Still all of the arguments against that are used against government health care are shown demonstratable false with Medicare. My mom just had a hip replaced on Medicare she did not have to wait in fact they asked her to have it 3 weeks sooner. It is just lies made up so the CEO of insurance companies can continue to make millions
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Any time you have an operation, other than emergency, the doctor has to schedule you for laboratory work and a class about your surgery. The lie that it would be months is just a lie. If you can add, you know Medicare is far cheaper than private insurance and those that it covers have more medical problem that are far more serious but Medicare doesn’t have to waste millions for salaries of the ungodly greedy CEOs.
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