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The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

 
 
Zardoz
 
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Reply Fri 22 Mar, 2019 10:13 pm
@Baldimo,
The trouble Trump has with the main stream media is they report facts and Trump does want the truth to see the light of day. Putin has schooled Trump on the way to do it. A good dictator always take control of the media and decides what can and can’t be reported. Trump wants to take that further and even control comedy. Pelosi statement was conditional depending on what is in the Muller report. Trump is the best thing that ever happened to democratic party. Trump got more far Democrats elected in the last election than any other cause. If Trump is impeached the anger will not drive voters to polls to vote against him and elect an army of Democrats in 2020. Pelosi is just being selfish. Trump is the dream candidate in 2020 for the Democrats.
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Mitt Romney pays a smaller percentage of his income in taxes than someone working at McDonalds. It is called the carried interest loophole. Romney income is not taxed like other American citizens it is taxed as investment income at a much lower tax rate, instead of salary even though it is salary. Can you really compare one lie to over 8,000 documented lies?
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Do you notice when Trump complains of “Fake News” he never documents a single instance while on the other hand each of Trumps lies are documented and the real facts reported. If there is any fake news in America it is coming from Trump.
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Fox News is pure propaganda and would be shut down overnight if the Fairness Doctrine was in place. Under the Fairness Doctrine both sides of a political argument must be given equal time. In order to do this there would have to be as many Democratic guests as Republicans and any political position would be debated by both sides. I can tell you have never watched MSNBC on their shows even the former head of the Republican party is regular guest. Bill Kristol, a neoconservative, is a frequent panel member. George Will, is another frequent panel member.
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What you are saying is the boss of a company cannot run the company. The Federal Communication Commission is not part of the congressional division of government, it is not part of the judicial branch of government, however it is part of the executive branch. As part of the executive branch Trump has control of it. Why do you think Trump keeps threatening the main stream media Trump wants to control them?
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What would you challenge a broadcast license? To take the license away. That is the only reason to challenge a broadcast license and that is because Trump does not like the way he is portrayed on Saturday Night Live.
“It is frankly disgusting the press can write whatever it wants to write.”

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That says it all doesn’t it.
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There is no such thing as “maybe facts” that is the same thing as “alternate facts.” There is no lie about Russian collusion. Trump made it perfectly clear that he was colluding with Russia in front of thousands of people calling for the Russian military to stage a cyber attack against the United States which they did within minutes of Trumps request. All 330 million Americans have seen the film of Trump committing treason.
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If it isn’t a lie you don’t believe it. When they add those figures up and give a total dollar value for the deal they made. You are totally immune to facts. The amazon deal in New York was widely reported an it was soaking the taxpayers for $2 billion. I know what the deal in Huntington and I witnessed all of the equipment that we bought being thrown away. There could not be a more anti-capitalism movement in the United States.
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There is no such thing as a free lunch and everybody pays taxes and the rich pay the smallest percentage of their income in taxes.
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What do you think having access to $19 trillion of roads and bridges would cost if the private sector owned them? I grantee you it would be far higher than what the government supplies them for. The administration of Medicare cost fare less than any private insurance company. If you had to purchase the same services in the private market, they would be far more expensive.
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Whether you would have had to spend the $3 billion and the deal let you save the $3 billion you are $3 billion better off than your competitors who had to pay their $3 billion in taxes. Money is an extremely simple concept to understand it is a universal language.
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I counted three sources listed in just one post. There are many sources posted in the last 8 years.
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I think you saw the picture hightor posted. Need I say more.
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The point Wal Mart employees were being supported by the taxpayer without taxpayer support to provide housing, medical care, and food stamps Wal Mart would not have been possible.
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The article reported that the deal with Wal Mart was for $37 million.



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Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2019 10:16 pm
@Baldimo,
My wife was a department manager and had 20 years-experience as a department manger for another national chain. Walmart was able to pay such low wages because the government subsidized their workforce. That is how the money is made now, parasite capitalism.
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Now you know that she was an experienced working manager.
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One accepted definition of abroad is going to another continent.

“Between 750,000 and 1.8 million leave the country for medical reasons every year because of the high cost of treatment and surgeries.”

Many Americans Travel to Other Countries for Medical Care”

Source: VOA
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Shultz’s secret emails were stolen in a Russian military cyberattack and released by the Russian. That forced Debbie Wasserman Shultz to step down. If there had not been a Russian military cyberattack on the DNC she would have never stepped down. She was caught showing favoritism to one candidate but it took a Russian military cyberattack to do it.
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All congressional committees are run by the majority party and chaired by the majority. A member may make a request of the chairmen but the chairman is in no way obligated to grant a member’s request. You would have to watch the committees in action to understand the working rules.
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Who needs a “fixer” in the first place? If your honest you don’t need a fixer but a grifter needs a fulltime fixer.
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The phones are being paid for out of fund that was raised to extend phone lines into the country. This fund was given to phone companies 50 years ago.
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Like billions of dollars worth of sports stadiums that are supported by the most regressive taxes such as sales tax. Government has no business in entertainment business that should be a private sector activity.
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Trump is running America the exact same way he ran 8 companies into bankruptcy. Trump really believed that he could just print all the money he wanted until they had to explain to him that he could not do that. I am sure Trump was going to run a few billion off for himself. Trump has to come up with $4 billion in the near future to pay off Deutsche Bank in Germany. They know he has no possible way to pay the loans off he has been living on credit.
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When there are three different sources paying the same bill, it invites escalating prices.
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The cost of medical services can be spread among three payers which makes it much easier to raise prices. Capitalism could never work that way the law of supply and demand depends on the consumers right not to buy the service or product. You don’t need two fire insurance policies you don’t need two auto insurance policies but if you don’t have two health insurance policies and get sick you are likely to lose your home.
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I didn’t have any problem with the private sector businesses that obeyed the law, which was the vast majority, but there was a minority that just wanted to beat the system and they paid the price.
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It was simple if you had your business license you were a winner if you didn’t you were a loser.
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That makes absolutely no sense. Government regulations did not make car insurance higher, it did not make homeowner’s insurance higher. If what you’re saying was correct, we would see it across other forms of insurance
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Not before Obamacare either, if you make $30,000 a year, after deductions you might take home $20,000. A real health insurance policy costs $20,000. How many are you going to buy? Even 40 years ago when health insurance was reasonably priced most people who retired could not afford it and if they got sick, they lost their home to medical bills. Something they worked their entire life for was gone for a single stay in the hospital.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Sun 24 Mar, 2019 09:28 pm
@Baldimo,
It is pretty simple if you take 80% of 330 million you have 66 million without health insurance. The 80% figure was your’s. Math is pretty simple all you need do is plug the numbers into any calculator.
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That is simple matter of economics if some people can’t pay for medical care it is a cost of doing business and it passed along to other customers. Just as shoplifting is a cost of doing business you pay for all of the shoplifted merchandize the medical field works the same way.
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The Republicans killed the key section of Obamacare the public option.
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The thing about requiring insurance companies to cover preexisting conditions is that if you are not sick you are not going to buy insurance. Most people are blessed with relatively good health for many years but at some point, they are going to have a serious health problem. You have no health insurance and the doctor tells you that you have stage three cancer and your treatment is going top cost a million and a half dollars but you say I have no health insurance. The doctor says no problem you just go buy a health insurance policy, they can’t turn you down and the insurance company will have to pay that million and a half. You don’t see a problem there? The insurance company can only pay with dollars other policy owners paid in all their lives. So, the cost of the deadbeat’s medical bills would be shifted to legitimate policy holders making the cost of health insurance to go through the roof, the only ones who benefit are the deadbeats who paid for none of their medical bills. If the requirement for pre-existing continues without mandatory health insurance all health insurance companies will bankrupt within ten years and nobody will have health insurance.
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The middle class can no longer afford health insurance and the people that have insurance have it provided by their employer. One solution by the insurance companies before Obamacare was to charge three times as much for a policy that covered preexisting conditions. A decent health insurance policy is over $20,000 a policy to cover preexisting conditions did cost $60 thousand. That means even the upper middle class would have a hard time paying for health insurance. The American people have had mandatory health insurance since the middle sixties it is called Medicare and you have to pay for it for 40 years before you can use it and no one complained only when the ungodly greedy got involved did the complaints start.
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It is certainly does not happen to everyone but million-dollar premature babies are indeed common.
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You only pay a small portion of what your insurance plan costs and your employer can shift any amount of the cost to you they want. The school teachers have had that problem for years. The state decided that they were only going to put so much money into the insurance fund and everything else would come out of teacher’s pockets. They don’t have to shift a majority of the cost to you even $8 thousand a year would be bad but they can shift the entire $20,000 a year to you at any time they please. The more insurance costs the more of that cost will be shifted to you.
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That is exactly what a preexisting condition is. A pre-existing condition is any medical condition you had prior to taking a new job, heat condition, high blood pressure, diabetes or any other medical condition. A rider was attached to your policy stating that they would not pay any medical bills for any preexisting condition.
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I think you need to see exactly what the insurance cost your employer before Obamacare and after it went into effect to see how much your policy actually went up. Your insurance increases may have been simply your employer shifting the cost to you. What is happening is that employers are drawling a line in the sand and that is all they are going to pay any increase will be paid by the employee.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 25 Mar, 2019 10:37 am
@Zardoz,

I can see from your weekend posts, that you have ignored the release of the Mueller Report. No Collusion by any US citizens and no further indictments. Not one US citizen was found to be colluding with Russia, not Trump and not the NRA. Do you plan on walking back any of the statements you have made about Russian Collusion with the NRA and Trump?
Zardoz
 
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Reply Mon 25 Mar, 2019 10:18 pm
@Baldimo,
When Reagan left office the interest rate was 9.91% in contrast when Obama left office the interest rate was0.66%. When Reagan took office 16.94%. This was Fed rate the rate banks and credit unions lend reserve balances to other depository institutions overnight on an uncollateralized basis. Traditionally interest rates are 2% above inflation.
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Whatever source you got your information from is rewriting history. There were massive layoffs from cost to coast when Reagan took office. In Huntington alone we had over 400 layoffs at the city and this was repeated in every city across America because Reagan stripped the cities of Federal Revenue Sharing money so he could cut the taxes on the ungodly greedy. The 8 years that Reagan was in office were the absolute worst years of my entire life. That is when the middle-class standard of living was absolutely destroyed. That is the point my wife and a lot of other wives had to go to work to make ends meet. Did the life style of the rich and famous get fabulously better? Absolutely. How they arrive at those figures is using averages. This is how averages lie. There are four people in a bar and the average income is $20,000 a year. Bill Gates stops in for a drink. Now what is the average income in that bar? Now the average is $23 billion a year. But the other four men still make $20,000 a year. If you didn’t know better you would think that was a bunch of rich people in the bar. Reagan leads the period where the graph of that represents the income growth of the bottom 99% is represented by a bar 1/8 in height and 1% is represented by a bar that is 62 ½ feet high. See the similarities between Bill Gates at the bar and those whose income increase was represented by a bar 62 ½ feet height. Life got much better for 1% and much worse for the 99%. The wealth was supposed to trickle down instead it trickled up.
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Everything has a cost, a hose cost so much, a car cost so much and government services have cost so much. Let’s put an idiot like Reagan over housing. Say a house costs $120,000 to build but Reagan comes along and say all $120,000 will be sold for $60,000. The contractors go bankrupt overnight but the people are just keeping their own money instead of paying what the house costs to build. Why so many people feel sorry for those making $11.5 billion is beyond me. They have been getting a 5-finger discount on taxes ever since Reagan cut the taxes on the ungodly greedy by 60%. Government has a cost and the ungodly greedy use far more government services.
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Social security was a pay as you go system if it paid out more than it had coming in it was adjusted. The fact that social security has a $2.93 trillion trust fund it was never designed to have and the bad part all $2.93 trillion of social security was used to fund bigger and better tax cuts for the ungodly greedy. Life spans are going down now that the middle-class standard of living is declining. 30 years? The retirement age is 66 now the average lifespan for men is 77. That is maybe a third of 30 and since that is an average 50% will be dead before 77. You know who lives longer and collects more social security? The ungodly greedy live far longer.
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The middle class had to send their wives to work for the first in history just to make ends meet. Shifting the tax burden from the Rich to the poor and middle class is what destroyed the middle-class standard of living. If one could make a decent living and then it requires two to make a living that is inferior, that is not an increase in the standard of living. That would be a 50% decline in the standard of living
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In order for you to understand how the cost of living is determined you are going to have to read a book about how the cost of living is determined. Then you will understand how Reagan and his crew of thieves defraud the American people.
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I will get to the Muller investigation when I get to that point. We know one thing for sure and that is Barr should have recused himself because he had already written a paper saying that Trump could not obstruct justice Just to get the job of attorney general, we also know he is going out of his way to hide things as when quoted the Muller report he was care full to use partial sentences. This not over by a long shot. “This is not the end it is not even the end of the beginning.” When an American can stand on our soil and call for the Russian military to attack the United States and the reds do it. That is not collusion it is treason. If Trump knew California was going to vote against him and he called on the Russian military to attack California with nuclear weapons so he could win the election and the Russian attacked. Then Trump stands up after the fact and says it was only a joke would you believe him? The story is the same it was just a different type of attack.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 26 Mar, 2019 08:37 pm
@Baldimo,
When you configure a calculation, you determine which factors will be used in the calculation. One of the factors in the calculation for cost of living is the cost of memory for a computer. If the cost of memory gets cheaper, and it has fallen quite significantly, this factor lowers the reported inflation rate. It is a fudge factor.
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Trump has provided North Korea with the time to prefect their intercontinental ballistic missiles and mount an atomic bomb on them. In addition, Trump stopped the joint military maneuvers that would keep our military ready to repel an attack from North Korea. Kim knowns when he is dealing with a total idiot.
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There is no proof for people like Trump he prefers to take Kim’s word but our intelligence agencies agree that North Korea atomic program is still underway.
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Bill Clinton term was over nearly 20 years ago and still no attack from North Korean. Must have been a pretty good job but we are unlikely to make it through Trump term in office without an attack from North Korea.
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Trump gave North Korea concessions and North Korea continued their nuclear program. The only deals Trump ever made was lying to defraud banks any deals made with other governments were deals made by government employees. Trump does not read anything so he would not be able to make a deal. Trump is just someone living on borrowed money and he owes his soul to the Russian gangsters.
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Hyundai built their own car too, but they benefited from ever automotive development since Henry Ford on. If you put a Hyundai and a Honda side by side, they contain all of the same equipment. Hyundai didn’t invent the car but it is the same as Henry Ford current Fords.
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Automatic pilot is device to steer a plane, a space craft, or even self-driving car. They may use different parameters to do the steering but the underlying principal is the same.
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Do you have any idea how hard it was to develop a rocket capable of going into outer space? By the time Musk came on the scene rocket science was an established science like Hyundai the development had already taken place.
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The subject of the meeting was that they were going to block everything Obama tried to. The minority under rules of senate can block everything they don’t need a majority to obstruct. Not all of the senators who caucus with the democrats are democrats. The 2009 Senate had 57 Democrats and 41 Republicans and 2 independents. The Democrats didn’t have a veto proof majority.
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Trump just ran the last month at biggest deficit in history.
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It was the GOP that didn’t want to work with Obama and they made that extremely clear on inauguration day. It was not a secret. It is hard to work with anyone who announced on day one that they were not going to work with him.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 27 Mar, 2019 10:17 pm
@Baldimo,
Jane Fonda will go down in history as a hero, someone who saw something wrong and stood up to stop it. She is a true American hero there are a lot of people alive today that would have been killed 50 years ago in rice paddy for nothing. If you are a weapons manufacturer and want to test your weapons the best thing is start a war and keep it going for years on end.

“Their arsenal included 2,000 tanks, 7,000 artillery guns, over 5,000 anti-aircraft guns and 158 surface-to-air rocket launchers.” These weapons were supplied by Russia. “During the conflict the Americans lost more than 2,000 aircraft: the Vietnamese lost just 131 planes.”
Source: Russia Beyond

War is just a game to maker the rich even richer.
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There are far more political opinions than dreamt of in your philosophy. It is not black and white world and you are not the political police dictating what the correct political opinions are because they are just that opinions. There are many shades of gray.
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News paper were always divided into two sections the news and the opinions on the editorial page and people could easily tell the difference. That is what broadcast news is composed of and one can easily tell the difference. You can easily separate facts from opinion.

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If you hear a story where it says Joe Blow is being investigated for bank robbery and someone tries to spin it that Joe Blow is a good guy and would not rob banks. You know the facts are Joe Blow is being investigated for bank robbery but the editorial is that Joe Blow is a good guy. You can easily tell the difference. All that is needed is the facts people are free to form their own opinion.
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Trump has his nose so far up Fox News rear that it would make them a headlight. Trump is a professional guest on Fox News and no doubt he is on their payroll as a consultant.
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There is a big difference between opinion and propaganda.
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You need to check and see who owns the People’s Daily in Red China. I have a published source that listed Murdock as a partner with the Red Chinese in the People’s Daily.
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I don’t think there was one main news source that did not report about Clinton’s missing emails. Benghazi was reported in all of the mainstream media sources. Clinton’s impeachment trial was reported mainstream news media. As for CNN being the Clinton News Network that pure Fox News propaganda.
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Whether the email scandal was discovered by Mickey Mouse or Benghazi it would have been reported in the main stream news media.
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A political operative only knows one thing and that is propaganda and that was the purpose of founding Fox News. The democratic party has nothing to do with CNN never has and never will.
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We know only one was founded by a life political operative and we know which one that is. Wikileaks works for the Russian government. Wikileaks has never published any Russian secret material and never criticized mother Russia. I would never believe anything from Wikileaks. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Never satisfied if they report the negatives about Clinton than they don’t spend enough time reporting negative facts. If they reported negative facts 24/7 365 it would not be enough.
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This is an absolute fact that is going to cost Fox News millions if it was not correct Fox News would sue and you notice there is no law suit and there never will be because it is a 100% true. Notice you had no problem with believing Hillary was given a question before the debate. But when it is reported that one of Trumps closest friends, Roger Ailes, gave Trump all the question in the debate it can’t be true. Trump often dined with Ailes. I wonder what they were talking about. Admit it Ailes gave the questions to Trump so he could cheat his way in.
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You have a real problem with the truth you can’t tell the difference between the truth and lies. You have fallen for Kelly Ann’s alternative facts. Russia’s mission was to create an America where people could not tell the difference between truth and lies. Russia must have your IP address since they are sending you all their propaganda.
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Propaganda: Information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group movement, institution, nation, etc.
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Does the fact not occur to you that adding 100s of thousands of tons of pollutants is going to make matters worse. Even if we use those figures that would amount 4,125,000 Americans dying because of air pollution. Is that is a good thing to you. It is always somebody else’s problem isn’t it?
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The polar bears would have stayed in their own territory if the ice was not gone do to global warming. Do you think the smell drew the polar bears from 200 miles away? The polar bear would be there all the time. For the smell to draw the polar bears they would have had to be in the area.
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Do you know who owns your source for that garbage Red Rupert. He has a very bad reputation when it comes to telling the truth. Your source required 100% agreement on every point which is not going to happen. 97% can in fact agree that global warming is caused by man without agreeing on every single point.
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It is not over and she has already won the right to publish her story which was what her suit was about. The details will be published before the 2020 election. Trump being spanked with a rolled-up copy of Time with his picture on it.
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No crime? Ask Michael Cohen or won of his prison buddies whether it was a crime or not. Cohen wasn’t running that crime. If Cohen is guilty Trump is even more guilty. Trump has committed 1,000s of crimes this is just one of them.
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Trump had to keep storm Daniels story from coming out after the Access Hollywood tape had come out. The investigation is done and Cohen has been convicted and all they need do is name individual one and convict him. Federalist, is it published by the Russians in Russia or by the Russians in the United States? There was not even a Wikipedia reference for that one. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Obama did not protect Hillary or there would not have been one investigation let alone two. Trump children are doing the very same thing as well as other members of Trump administration and there is not even one investigation. Do you not think it strange that only Hillary was investigated while thousands of other government employees are doing the same?


Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 28 Mar, 2019 11:39 am
@Zardoz,
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When Reagan left office the interest rate was 9.91% in contrast when Obama left office the interest rate was0.66%. When Reagan took office 16.94%. This was Fed rate the rate banks and credit unions lend reserve balances to other depository institutions overnight on an uncollateralized basis. Traditionally interest rates are 2% above inflation.

So Reagan's economic policies improved the loan market, good to hear you agree his policies worked.

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Whatever source you got your information from is rewriting history. There were massive layoffs from cost to coast when Reagan took office.

No, it is you and the left who are rewritting history. Do you have any proofs of your statements?

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The wealth was supposed to trickle down instead it trickled up.

There is no such things as "trickle down", that was the propaganda told by the left about supply side economics.

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Social security was a pay as you go system if it paid out more than it had coming in it was adjusted.

It was never a pay as you go system, the very first people to collect social security put a rest to that lie, they paid nothing into the system and still collected till they died. It was always meant to be a system where working people pay into the system for those who are retired.

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The middle class had to send their wives to work for the first in history just to make ends meet.

I guess you forgot about that time in history where women were working during WWII. My grandmother was one of those women and she continued to work until she retired in the mid to late 80's.

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In order for you to understand how the cost of living is determined you are going to have to read a book about how the cost of living is determined. Then you will understand how Reagan and his crew of thieves defraud the American people.

See how you are trying to rewrite history... I have to go read some bias book that is anti-american and pro-socialist for you to prove your point.

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I will get to the Muller investigation when I get to that point.

You mean once you get your marching orders from your anti-American masters. You have to wait for the leftsts MSM to come up with a response to the report. Let me know what Maddow says.






Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 28 Mar, 2019 12:21 pm
@Zardoz,
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When you configure a calculation, you determine which factors will be used in the calculation. One of the factors in the calculation for cost of living is the cost of memory for a computer. If the cost of memory gets cheaper, and it has fallen quite significantly, this factor lowers the reported inflation rate. It is a fudge factor.

I'm still waiting for you to provide the proof that computer memory was used...

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Trump has provided North Korea with the time to prefect their intercontinental ballistic missiles and mount an atomic bomb on them.

Don't you mean that Obama and Clinton did this? There hasn't been a rocket launch from North Korea in over a year. How many launches did they have while Obama was in charge?

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Bill Clinton term was over nearly 20 years ago and still no attack from North Korean. Must have been a pretty good job but we are unlikely to make it through Trump term in office without an attack from North Korea.

No attacks, but they sure as hell built nukes they didn't have before. We can thank Clinton for NK having the nukes.

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Trump gave North Korea concessions and North Korea continued their nuclear program.

What concessions did he give?

If I remember correctly, Trump secured the release of all US hostages from North Korea. How many did Obama get released? There was also the plan Obama signed with NK in 2012, which failed because NK kept launching test weapons.

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Hyundai built their own car too, but they benefited from ever automotive development since Henry Ford on. If you put a Hyundai and a Honda side by side, they contain all of the same equipment. Hyundai didn’t invent the car but it is the same as Henry Ford current Fords.

The difference being, I wouldn't talk down Hyundai about their car company. You seem to think if someone didn't invent it first, they have no claim to anything... you are a weak man if you think that.

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Automatic pilot is device to steer a plane, a space craft, or even self-driving car. They may use different parameters to do the steering but the underlying principal is the same.

So Space X isn't anything special because you say so...

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Do you have any idea how hard it was to develop a rocket capable of going into outer space? By the time Musk came on the scene rocket science was an established science like Hyundai the development had already taken place.

You don't understand innovation then do you. Does Apple get credit for inventing the Smart Phone, or it doesn't matters since we already had wireless phones in our homes?

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It was the GOP that didn’t want to work with Obama and they made that extremely clear on inauguration day. It was not a secret. It is hard to work with anyone who announced on day one that they were not going to work with him.

The media has been lying to you to protest the failure that was Obama.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 28 Mar, 2019 02:17 pm
@Zardoz,
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Jane Fonda will go down in history as a hero, someone who saw something wrong and stood up to stop it.

She saw US service members being tortured and turned over notes they wanted to get out to US authorities. She's a traitor and only anti-American communists like yourself support her.

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There are far more political opinions than dreamt of in your philosophy. It is not black and white world and you are not the political police dictating what the correct political opinions are because they are just that opinions. There are many shades of gray.

If that is the case, why does the leftists MSM only report news from the leftist point of view?

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News paper were always divided into two sections the news and the opinions on the editorial page and people could easily tell the difference.

That stopped being the case years ago when the news stopped hiding their leftist beliefs. You can't tell the difference between news and opinion in places like the Washington Post, owned by Jeff Bezos of Amazon, or any of the other main newspapers, it's all opinion all the time.

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If you hear a story where it says Joe Blow is being investigated for bank robbery and someone tries to spin it that Joe Blow is a good guy and would not rob banks.

Who announces such an investigation? No one does.

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Trump has his nose so far up Fox News rear that it would make them a headlight. Trump is a professional guest on Fox News and no doubt he is on their payroll as a consultant.

You make the dumbest claims ever.

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There is a big difference between opinion and propaganda.

Not when it is coming from the left and the MSM, all propaganda all the time.

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You need to check and see who owns the People’s Daily in Red China. I have a published source that listed Murdock as a partner with the Red Chinese in the People’s Daily.

I did check and you are a liar. What proof do you have? It is more likely that the left would support such a newspaper, they left loves communism and they also love the control they have over their population.

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I don’t think there was one main news source that did not report about Clinton’s missing emails.

Sure they reported it, they also went on the defense for Hillary and did everything they could to deflect from her crimes.

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Benghazi was reported in all of the mainstream media sources.

Yes, it was reported but they also backed her lies about the situation, telling the US people that it was an attack in response to a video, instead of the planned attack that it was. To this day, people like yourself still think it was due to a video. The MSM did their job of protecting the future Presidential nominee.

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The democratic party has nothing to do with CNN never has and never will.

CNN and MSNBC have everything to do with the DNC. Just yesterday, Pelosi was complaining about no one talking about healthcare... Last night as one, MSNBC and CNN talked about nothing but healthcare. CNN and MSNBC get their talking points from the DNC.

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A political operative only knows one thing and that is propaganda and that was the purpose of founding Fox News.

The former head of the CIA John Brennan is a political operative for the DNC, his comments on Russia/Trump collusion have all been proven as a lie.

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Whether the email scandal was discovered by Mickey Mouse or Benghazi it would have been reported in the main stream news media.

No it wouldn't have been reported if the GOP didn't make a big deal of the laws she was breaking.

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We know only one was founded by a life political operative and we know which one that is.

Keep telling yourself the lie. Jeff Zucker of CNN has said he wants to run for the DNC... political operative for the DNC running CNN... you are a fool.

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Wikileaks works for the Russian government.

If that is the case, why did Obama free a Russian operative who passed along secret info to Wikileaks?

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Wikileaks has never published any Russian secret material and never criticized mother Russia. I would never believe anything from Wikileaks.

You sure had no problem believing the info they released that made them famous. As long as it made Bush and his admin look bad you believed every word of it, they release negative info about the DNC and they can't be trusted...

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This is an absolute fact that is going to cost Fox News millions if it was not correct Fox News would sue and you notice there is no law suit and there never will be because it is a 100% true.

What are you talking about?

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Notice you had no problem with believing Hillary was given a question before the debate.

It has been proven that she was given a question, Donna Brazil was fired from CNN because of it. She was only fired because they were found out.

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But when it is reported that one of Trumps closest friends, Roger Ailes, gave Trump all the question in the debate it can’t be true.

There is no proof it took place. It's some words made up by Hillary supporters to deflect from Hillary getting questions. It's more propaganda from the lying left.

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Trump often dined with Ailes. I wonder what they were talking about. Admit it Ailes gave the questions to Trump so he could cheat his way in.

You should really stop lying. The only person I have ever heard make this claim is you, from some no name source.

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You have a real problem with the truth you can’t tell the difference between the truth and lies.

Looking in the mirror? I've disproved so many of the lies you tell, can't even keep track anymore.

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Russia’s mission was to create an America where people could not tell the difference between truth and lies.

Yes, that was their mission and the left and MSM helped them do it. You fell for their crap hook, line and sinker and now the MSM is scrambling to cover for their 2 years of lies. You still help them by pushing the lies, you know the game but can't help but play.

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Propaganda: Information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group movement, institution, nation, etc.

Yes, the Trump Russia claim was propaganda and you suckers fell for it and damaged our political process while doing it.

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Does the fact not occur to you that adding 100s of thousands of tons of pollutants is going to make matters worse.

I've seen no proof to back what you are claiming. The US has some of the cleanest air in the world. You should be worrying about China and India, they are behind the times.

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Even if we use those figures that would amount 4,125,000 Americans dying because of air pollution.

More BS. There is zero proof once again to back what you claim. Emotion seems to rule the roost with you guys.

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Is that is a good thing to you. It is always somebody else’s problem isn’t it?

Not sure what you are talking about.

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The polar bears would have stayed in their own territory if the ice was not gone do to global warming.

This had nothing to do with global warming or cooling or climate change, whatever the term they are using this decade.

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Do you think the smell drew the polar bears from 200 miles away?

Yes, that is exactly what the article claimed. Their trash had not been collected for several months, that's a lot of trash and would easily draw the attention of polar bears. Bears are lazy creatures and will seek the easiest meal they can get their hands on.

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The polar bear would be there all the time. For the smell to draw the polar bears they would have had to be in the area.

Polar Bears can smell a live seal from 20 miles, how far do you think the smell of tons of rotten trash can travel?

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Do you know who owns your source for that garbage Red Rupert. He has a very bad reputation when it comes to telling the truth. Your source required 100% agreement on every point which is not going to happen. 97% can in fact agree that global warming is caused by man without agreeing on every single point.

97% is propaganda, plain and simple. It has no basis in reality, yet the MSM and leftists politicians keep using it. See, propaganda

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It is not over and she has already won the right to publish her story which was what her suit was about.

It is over, she has to pay Trump over $200,000 dollars. Did you also hear that her lawyer has been arrested for bank and wire fraud?

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No crime? Ask Michael Cohen or won of his prison buddies whether it was a crime or not.

You have a hard time with reality don't you? Cohen is going to jail for his own crimes, none of his crimes involved Trump.

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Cohen wasn’t running that crime. If Cohen is guilty Trump is even more guilty. Trump has committed 1,000s of crimes this is just one of them.

Yep, definite issue with reality.

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Trump had to keep storm Daniels story from coming out after the Access Hollywood tape had come out.

Yep, NDA's are perfectly legal. I'll say it again, had Trump lost the election, she wouldn't have wanted to publish anything. It has nothing to do with the truth and everything to do with her making more money.

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The investigation is done and Cohen has been convicted and all they need do is name individual one and convict him.

You haven't been paying attention to the facts. Cohen is guilty of his own crimes, Trump has been cleared of working with Russia and no further indictments are forth coming. You should stay away from MSNBC, they are leading you to lies.

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Federalist, is it published by the Russians in Russia or by the Russians in the United States?

Neither, you have Russia on the brain.

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There was not even a Wikipedia reference for that one.

Do you know how to search for things on the internet? I found their page on wikipedia in about 3 seconds:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Federalist_(website)

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Obama did not protect Hillary or there would not have been one investigation let alone two.

It wasn't just Obama, it was the entire admin. They "knew" she was going to win the election, they didn't want to be fired by the new boss for investigating her. Have you heard the latest news from Liza Page? She admits that the Obama admin told the FBI to stand down.

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Trump children are doing the very same thing as well as other members of Trump administration and there is not even one investigation.

Doing what, using a private email server or using a private email account, there is a difference.

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Do you not think it strange that only Hillary was investigated while thousands of other government employees are doing the same?

Not strange at all, once again there is a major difference between a private email account and a private email server. Do those "thousands" you mention all work for the State Dept?
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Was she allowed to use a private server?

No. As we wrote, the IG report said that it has been department policy since 2005 — four years before Clinton took office — that “normal day-to-day operations” be conducted on government servers. The report noted that the department’s Foreign Affairs Manual was updated in November 2005 to say “it is the Department’s general policy that normal day-to-day operations be conducted on an authorized [automated information system].” The IG made a distinction between occasional use in emergencies and exclusive use of personal email. “Beginning in late 2005 and continuing through 2011, the Department revised the FAM and issued various memoranda specifically discussing the obligation to use Department systems in most circumstances and identifying the risks of not doing so,” the IG report said

https://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/a-guide-to-clintons-emails/
Let me guess, factcheck.org is a Russian site...







Zardoz
 
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Reply Thu 28 Mar, 2019 10:16 pm
@Baldimo,
Even if Trump had lost the election Stormy Daniels story was worth far more than a measly $130,000 because Trump was a celebrity. Trump was trying to get buy on the cheap if he paid her enough, she might not have felt cheated.
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If it was a crime for Cohen it is a crime for Trump because the crime was committed at Trump’s direction. The judge that sentenced Cohen believes it is a crime and he is an expert.
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The Access Hollywood tape had just come out and Republicans were abandoning Trump right and left. If it came out that he was not only a pussy grabber but a whore monger no other Republican would have wanted anything to do with him. The crime is that the payoff was a violation of campaign finance law any money spent to win an election must be reported and Trump went out of his way to hide the transaction going as far as to have Cohen refinance his house to come up with the payoff money and then hide the reimbursement.
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It was not very public Trump lied his ass off to start with denying he even knew Stormy until after the pictures came out. There is aa dispute now as to whether a sitting president can be charged with a crime. Trump hopes to run the statute of limitations out on his crimes if he is reelected. Maxwell Silver’s hammer is hanging over Trump’s head and he knows it. Trump has committed enough crimes that he will spend the rest of his life in jail.
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Excess wealth can also be income. They got their excess wealth through excess income.
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The conservatives took a system where there was a reasonable distribution of wealth and put us on a path to destruction by shifting the wealth of the country in a graph of the bottom 99% increase of wealth by a graph bar 1/8 of an inch versus one for the top 1% by a bar 62’ 6”. The country can not tolerate that distribution of wealth long. That means that the ungodly greedy are increasing their wealth 6,000 times faster than middle class and they were already thousands of times richer. And a good portion of this money is poured into the political system to corrupt it so they can further rob the country. Not only that most of the money the ungodly greedy got from the government was borrowed putting the country $21 trillion in debt. I had a minor mathematics and it is easy to follow the debt.
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It is exactly the way it works. You can’t have part of an equation without all the factors. If you say that those making over $200,000 pay 58% of the taxes you have to know what percentage of the income they have. If they had 10% of the income that would make your argument but they have 92% of the income which means they don’t pay their share by a long shot.
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Political contributions are not tax-deductible politicians are not nonprofit organizations. But some of these huge political action committees that move $100s of millions of black-money are. Notice the ungodly greedy complain about taxes but not about $100s of million in political bribes they make in each election.
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Contributions to Super PACs should not be able to use a loophole set up for charities to be tax free.
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If the ungodly greedy are going to make political bribes they should at least pay taxes on those bribes. I don’t care whether it is to a conservative or liberal politician if they are going buy politicians make them pay taxes on that money. Those groups were trying to use loopholes to get around the law. Political contributions are not tax deductible.
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That is exactly how the economy works. The ungodly greedy want all of the country’s wealth, not a portion, they want it all. Now we know they have a huge head start and are accumulating wealth 6,000 times faster than the middle class. If someone is going 6,000 times faster than you are that race will be over quickly and you are not going to win. This is not new the ungodly greedy have always been with us. Greed is hardly a new sin. This has happened throughout history time and time again. America had solved the problem, or at least postponed it, with a progressive tax system, but the conservatives made it a regressive tax system were the ungodly greedy pay the smallest percentage of their income. Greed is as old as dirt, greed in the 80s is the same as greed was during the French revolution.
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America was founded with an egalitarian distribution wealth and it is why America became great but the distribution of wealth where the wealthy held the vast majority of wealth is why the South America became third world countries. The conservatives have put America on a course to be the next third world country.
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The constitution does not support it than how come America had an egalitarian distribution of wealth throughout most of its history? Taxes are not unconstitutional and that is how you make sure the ungodly greedy can’t accumulate all of a country’s wealth.
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You hate facts they get in your way of believing all that ridiculous propaganda. The 2.6% GDP is documented history and Trump could not get close.
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We only had one child and most women stayed home and raised their children it had been that way for hundreds of years. The ungodly greedy believed by making the women work they could get even richer when both people had to work. That wat they were not wasting their time at home they were out their making the rich richer.
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It did happen that way you just want to imagine that it didn’t happen that way. I lived every minute of it I watched it happen. Everything was going along alright until Reagan takes office and huge layoffs happened all over the country. We got big pay raises every year until Reagan took office and then got none. Do you know why you have a supply and demand curve? If the price goes up you don’t purchase a house until the price comes down and interest is part of the price. My parents bought a large house with a pool during that time period. They got a balloon mortgage at a far cheaper rate and paid it off in 5 years. My memories are quite clear I was Union President and I had to deal with it. As soon as Reagan was out office and the taxes were raised on the ungodly greedy by Bush Sr, we started getting pay raises and the layoff ended. The US didn’t win the cold war Russia went bankrupt. Do you think you won when your next-door neighbor goes bankrupt? We all know who won the most important war of that time period.

Warren Buffet said, “There’s class warfare, all right, but is my class, the rich that making the war, and we are winning.”
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My memory is extremely clear about that period of time and it is extremely well documented. You would have to prove that Reagan didn’t exist to make any headway in your arguments.
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The CIA is a huge operation all over the world and that is only one of 17 intelligence agencies. There are so many duplications of services that it drives the cost through the roof.
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That is like wanting to drive a car that costs ten times more than you can afford. What is the end result? You go bankrupt and countries go bankrupt also. Reagan tripled the national debt and one of the reasons was running up military to pay back defense contractors for electing him. Nothing like millions in their pockets for pay backs.
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I don’t think America has anything on that scale. How many Eiffel Towers have we constructed?
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 29 Mar, 2019 11:32 am
@Zardoz,
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Even if Trump had lost the election Stormy Daniels story was worth far more than a measly $130,000 because Trump was a celebrity. Trump was trying to get buy on the cheap if he paid her enough, she might not have felt cheated.

Wrong, the story wasn't worth that much, if it was she would have come forward far sooner, the affair happened prior to 2010.

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If it was a crime for Cohen it is a crime for Trump because the crime was committed at Trump’s direction. The judge that sentenced Cohen believes it is a crime and he is an expert.

Cohen was charged, not Trump. NDA's are not against the law, offering to expose someone in exchange for payment is, it's called blackmail.

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It was not very public Trump lied his ass off to start with denying he even knew Stormy until after the pictures came out.

She had signed an NDA, why would he admit to anything with such a thing in place. Admitting to it invalidates the NDA. Her wanting to come forward and tell her story after signing the NDA is a crime, maybe not jail-able, but fine's and fee's for sure. For someone who claims to be such a union person, where contracts are key, you see no problem with someone violating a contact they signed... It shows the entire scam that was run against the American people to get Hillary elected.

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The Access Hollywood tape had just come out and Republicans were abandoning Trump right and left. If it came out that he was not only a pussy grabber but a whore monger no other Republican would have wanted anything to do with him.

First off this whole thing was designed and released for maximum damage to Trump, collusion between the MSM and the DNC, it was pretty obvious what it was when it happened. Keep in mind, I didn't vote for Trump, I voted for Gary Johnson, I left the GOP after the 2012 elections.

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Excess wealth can also be income. They got their excess wealth through excess income.

There is no such thing as excess wealth or excess income. Stop with the socialist lies.

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The conservatives took a system where there was a reasonable distribution of wealth and put us on a path to destruction by shifting the wealth of the country in a graph of the bottom 99% increase of wealth by a graph bar 1/8 of an inch versus one for the top 1% by a bar 62’ 6”.

There has never been a reasonable distribution of wealth in the US. You see a welfare state as a good thing, it isn't. Our country was going down the drain before Reagan elected. Massive inflation, increasing unemployment, gas shortages. Stagflation was real, people getting taxed out of pay increases was real.

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The country can not tolerate that distribution of wealth long. That means that the ungodly greedy are increasing their wealth 6,000 times faster than middle class and they were already thousands of times richer.

It means nothing and you know it. I'm middle class and my wages are increasing and have been since the 2000's. People who work entry level jobs get entry level pay. If they don't like their pay, they can go to another job with the experience they have and get more money. No one is "trapped" anywhere, that is another socialist lie.

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And a good portion of this money is poured into the political system to corrupt it so they can further rob the country.

Yes, a majority of that money makes it way into the DNC coffers to support the DNC politicians. Do I need to remind you that both Obama and Hillary had more than 1 billion in campaign funds... No GOP candidate has come close to that much corp and entertainment money, all lefties, will corporate lefties.

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Not only that most of the money the ungodly greedy got from the government was borrowed putting the country $21 trillion in debt. I had a minor mathematics and it is easy to follow the debt.

The lies you tell. No one has given the rich money, no checks are being given, it's keeping more of the money they make, like we all get with tax cuts. I finally did my taxes, and I actually got money back, last year I owed. So the tax cuts are working out wonderful for me and my family. If only I didn't have to pay my ex-wife so much money, I'd be living a better life. $1400 a month is no joke.

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It is exactly the way it works. You can’t have part of an equation without all the factors. If you say that those making over $200,000 pay 58% of the taxes you have to know what percentage of the income they have. If they had 10% of the income that would make your argument but they have 92% of the income which means they don’t pay their share by a long shot.

Please tell me in the US tax code where it says the portion of income you collect is related to the portion of the nations taxes you pay. Just because you think it should be that way doesn't mean it is. We have millions of Americans who pay no federal income tax, they get more back in refunds then they pay into the system. They don't pay their fair share and they should, they use a majority of the govt services.

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Notice the ungodly greedy complain about taxes but not about $100s of million in political bribes they make in each election.

Wealthy leftist always complain about taxes, but not theirs, they complain about the taxes other wealthy people pay. Instead of being honest to their "beliefs", and just paying more in taxes, they lie and claim they would pay more. AOC's own mother just put that lie to test, she moved out of NY because the taxes were to high... wanna bet she votes to raise taxes in FL?
Even the Gov of NY has complained about the high taxes driving people away, does that mean he will lower taxes? AOC drove away about 7 billion dollars in taxes a year to the city and state of NY, she was so concerned about 3 billion in tax cuts that she threw away $7 billion she would have made. Ever hear the story of the dog with the bone looking in the river?

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Contributions to Super PACs should not be able to use a loophole set up for charities to be tax free.

Yeah, the IRS was guilty of thinking such things, they prevented legit conservative groups from using their political rights. Just another one of those "non-scandals" from the Obama admin.

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America was founded with an egalitarian distribution wealth and it is

No it wasn't. The Founding Fathers were inventors, and business owners, they bankrolled the revolution, they were the ones who had everything to lose. They were against taxes that limited growth and punished productivity. Take that garbage else where.

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The conservatives have put America on a course to be the next third world country.

You have that backwards, it's the leftists, not even the liberals, who want to do that with the absurd push of socialism. It fails everywhere it is tried and people suffer, socialism can't build anything, it only destroys what was already built.

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The constitution does not support it than how come America had an egalitarian distribution of wealth throughout most of its history?

We didn't have such a distribution, and you can't prove we did.

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Taxes are not unconstitutional and that is how you make sure the ungodly greedy can’t accumulate all of a country’s wealth.

The way in which you want to use taxes is unconstitutional, taxes themselves are not constitutional. You are an evil person to use the force of govt to justify taking away money you think was unjustly earned. You are the reason why countries fail.

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You hate facts they get in your way of believing all that ridiculous propaganda.

What fact's, you deal in fact free speeches and propaganda. You provide little to know facts in anything you claim.

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The 2.6% GDP is documented history and Trump could not get close.

Trump has already done better than that, history as usual isn't in your favor, you keep forgetting Obama himself claimed that such growth was never going to happen, we were at a new normal. Trump proved him wrong.

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We only had one child and most women stayed home and raised their children it had been that way for hundreds of years.

Wow, you sound like an old school sexist. The womans movement wouldn't be happy with such talk. Sounds like you want to keep it that way, barefoot pregnante and cooking in the kitchen?

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The ungodly greedy believed by making the women work they could get even richer when both people had to work.

You need to stop blaming someone else for the woman's rights movement. Don't you remember NOW and their push to allow women in the work place and not be slaves to their husbands, the right to earn their own money and spend it like they wish? If anything, the conservatives were against such things and wanted to keep women at home and not in the work place, it was the liberals who supported it. First wave feminism was a good thing and increased our economy as now there were more workers in the field and more money to buy things. Stop being a caveman.

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We got big pay raises every year until Reagan took office and then got none.

So the Union was forcing the country and city to live above their means because you were getting Federal money to run your local scams? The Fed was responsible for your cities careless overspending?

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As soon as Reagan was out office and the taxes were raised on the ungodly greedy by Bush Sr, we started getting pay raises and the layoff ended.

There you go again, as a city forcing the Federal govt to supply for your overspending. Why should the Feds be responsible for your cities spending habits? Shouldn't you be looking at the country and then the state?

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The US didn’t win the cold war Russia went bankrupt.

Spoken like a true communist supporter. You know that's the same thing the USSR was saying. You claim the GOP were secret communists, yet you seem to speak the communist party line, even want their form of govt right here in the US.

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Do you think you won when your next-door neighbor goes bankrupt?

The USSR wasn't our "neighbor", what a silly comparison, does your propaganda know no bounds?

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My memory is extremely clear about that period of time and it is extremely well documented. You would have to prove that Reagan didn’t exist to make any headway in your arguments.

Yet you still lie about the events that took place. You have a bias against any form of capitalism and see it as evil. Reagan took away your encroaching socialist environment and now you have to spread propaganda to deflate his legacy. That's some really weak sauce dude.

Zardoz
 
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Reply Fri 29 Mar, 2019 07:52 pm
@Baldimo,
This mock city was so big it was found from outer space. It was not just a few buildings it was the size of a small city. Have we ever constructed a mock-up of the Eiffel tower?
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Hillary may have used a private server but so is Trump and his children and there is no investigation.
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But neither Trump, his children, or Sarah Ispur Flores are under investigation for their use of a private server and Trump is not leading chants of “lock them up.” If it was illegal for Hillary it is illegal for Trump. The last paragraph clearly says they are breaking the law but nothing is being done.
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Trump has doe exactly the same thing Hillary did, he is using a private sever to do government business.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Fri 29 Mar, 2019 08:06 pm
@oralloy,
War is not nearly as bad as dictators trying to hold onto power. It is not war when a death squads shows up at your house at 2 am and takes you away never to be seen or heard from again. In war two armies oppose each other on a battlefield. Dictators kills civilians so they can stay in power. These countries were not democracies they were dictatorships.
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Big insurance has the most to lose if there is a public option and when it comes to campaign contributions they make like Bank of America and pay off the politicians. Insurance companies add up to 20% to the cost of healthcare. Eliminate big insurance and you cut the cost of healthcare by 20%. Insurance is not a necessary cost of healthcare and the insurance companies know it and pay off the politicians.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Fri 29 Mar, 2019 08:24 pm
@oralloy,
If a war is started with North Korea it will have to be an invasion or fought with conventional weapons and it will be a war with huge losses for our military. A nuclear war is simply not an option because we would have no idea where the nuclear cloud will land in Asia.
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China has been helping North Korea avoid the sanctions and they are not likely to stop helping.
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The deal to block Obama from accomplishing anything during his term in office involved all of the leadership of the Republican party and Boehner only represented the House. I am sure they would have made a deal if Obama did exactly what they wanted.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Fri 29 Mar, 2019 08:44 pm
@oralloy,
We took over a war that the French were waging against the Vietnamese people. The French had been robbing the country blind and shipping all the food out of the country while the population starved. Ho Chi Minh tried to strike an alliance with the US before he struck an alliance with the communists. These were not ideological communist so much as people that were watching their families starve. Vietnam had reached that critical wealth equation where the 1% have 99% of the wealth and the 99% have only 1% of the country wealthy the revolution was inevitable. The United States could have stepped in to start with but choose not to. When you stand by and watch an entire country starve to death and refuse to help that is immoral and then you step in and enter the fight on the side of oppressor that is immoral. There are a lot of my generation who died for greed of a few.
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When you are watching your family being starved to death any form of government is better than being exploited by a foreign government. Revolution in Vietnam was inevitable. The people in Russia lived under communism for over a half century and they did not starve to death. The first step in a journey is a step in the right direction.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2019 09:29 pm
@oralloy,
Reagan didn’t save anybody from the Soviets he installed a bunch of dictators that used our guns and death squads to fight any movement for democracy. The National News is finally beginning to acknowledge Reagan’s role in our immigration problems. Regan screwed South America up so bad that there is now mass immigration problem coming from other countries beside Mexico. The dictators used America’s guns and American trained death squads to put all the wealth in the hands of the ungodly greedy.
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It didn’t save the world the Soviets had been communists since 1912 and never over ran the world. The only danger was in the imagination of the weapons manufacturer who were getting rich selling guns. The Soviets were not doing like Nazi Germany and invading countries even though they had the war machine to do it.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ That is not common sense, Clinton had no reason to involved he was not part of the CIA or the federal government. The CIA tries to operate in secret.
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Wee are a nation of laws and it broke the law and destroyed out inner cities. If Bush I and Reagan wanted to send military aid Nicaragua there was a procedure to do that. It was a crime to do what they did. If Congress authorized the money the CIA would not have had to run drugs to finance the purchase of the guns.
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For one the policy is we don’t reward terrorists because that invites more terrorism. Congress had passed a law that forbid further funding of Nicaragua Contras, it was called the Boland Amendment.
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Bill Clinton does not have to provide anything. The CIA comes in and says we are taking over, end of argument. This was not a state-run operation.
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Bill Clinton is in charge of nothing when the Feds show up. The states do not tell the Feds what to do it is the Feds who dictate to the states.
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The can and do take control of any thing they please.
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Bill Clinton had no part of the operation. He was not flying guns to Nicaragua nor was he fling the guns back to the states. He was not selling drugs to buy more guns to ship to Nicaragua. He had no reason to be involved. You keep saying Clinton but it was Reagan and Bush who ran the operation.
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When the Feds arrive on seen nobody controls anything but the Feds. There can only be one party in control. “Too many cooks spoil the broth.”
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The Feds don’t need permission from anybody. Think about if there was a war going on and the Feds said we are taking control of this airport there would be no questions asked. If a governor could stop the Feds from taking control of an airport, we would all be in trouble.
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That is true the gun nuts are buying more guns but the general public is not. New Zealand showed just how fast assault weapons can be banned and what the general public thought of them.
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It did happen all over the country long before Obamacare was adopted. The days of picking your own doctor are over and you will be lucky if the insurance company even lets you see a doctor. Now the insurance companies only pay for a physician’s assistant in many cases. The insurance companies have to make millions so why pay for a doctor when you can pay for physician’s assistant?
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The only thing Obamacare prevented was junk insurance which only paid if you got sick on the sixth Tuesday of the month. Junk health insurance was like fire insurance that only paid if the fire was caused by cooking all other causes were not covered. Real health Insurance paid for medical claims but there is no such thing anymore. Now health insurance only pays a fraction of the bill. If you wrecked your new $50,000 car and your car insurance only paid $40,000 you would be really angry but that is what health insurance now does.
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I don’t know where you live but these changes were made a long time ago long before Obama was elected. You might not have realized it because your doctor was one of the doctors the insurance companies paid for but Insurance companies will pick the doctors that you can see and those are the cheapest, they can find. Now in many cases you don’t even see a doctor but a 9-inch monitor and the doctor is who knows where. But insurance companies have to make millions on healthcare.
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We got this in the 90s you must be preapproved for any medical care if you aren’t the insurance companies doesn’t pay. The insurance companies have only one reason to exist to make millions off of human suffering.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Sun 31 Mar, 2019 10:17 pm
@Baldimo,
Actually, electric companies are an excellent example of a monopoly. It would not have been practical to have ten different electric companies run ten sets of lines. It also would not have been cost efficient so the government offer monopolies in exchange for limiting profits to a few percentage points.
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The transmission lines, transformers, electric poles, and generating plants would all have to be duplicated at huge costs making electric far more expensive.
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Most of what the drug companies invent are “me too” drugs where the formula of the drug is altered slightly just enough to keep their patent in force so they can charge 100s of times what the drug costs to manufacturer. Most drugs are invented and tested by public universities the drug company steps in for the last round of testing. What is the biggest cost of most drug companies? Advertising is a major cost of most drug companies. Even the VA gets their drugs from overseas because of the cost.
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There have been both books and documentaries that showed what happened when electricity was deregulated. The traders were recorded selling electric back and forth across state line running the price up each time it crossed a state line. They also were recorded encouraging electric generating plants to shut down for maintenance so the cost of electric could be raised. The cost of electricity went up 10 times in a short period of time. After the thieves were lock up the rolling black out stopped and there was plenty of electric. The shortage was manufactured to drive prices through the roof.
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I have a problem with greed. There is nothing wrong with making a reasonable profit but charging Americans one price and the rest of the world a fraction of that cost show how out of whack our system is. When a drug companies buy and orphan drug and raise the price hundreds of times that is just greed. Proposed laws would require drug manufacturers to sell their drugs at the same price they sell them to other countries which is a small fraction of what the cost is here. There are exceptions to every rule but it is just not new drugs that the insurance companies refuse to pay for. The insurance companies are not only picking doctors they decide what drugs you can have. Even if the doctor prescribes it the insurance company can and does refuse to pay for it. One of the drugs that was prescribed drug had more than one use and the insurance company refused to pay. The Doctor contacted the drug company who sold the drug directly to my wife for $320. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
It is not necessary for fire insurance, auto insurance, or life insurance and therefore should not health insurance should be no different. Either the states control health insurance or the federal government takes over all the insurance. This is nothing more than a smoke screen set up as a diversionary tactic by the ungodly greedy to get out from under the only tax they can’t get a smart accountant to get them out of. Somebody has to decide what health insurance will cover. The states currently do that now but under your program the Federal government would decide.
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If an auto maker is going to sell a car in America there are certain specifications they have to meet if they don’t meet the specifications, they can’t sell the car in America. The states don’t set the specifications the Fed does. Your program would make the Fed much more powerful and take away the states right to regulate health insurance. When you file a complaint about health insurance it would be lost in a federal bureaucracy with no possibility of resolving the matter. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Health Insurance can be controlled by the states or by the Fed government, it can’t be controlled by both. What you want is to force the states to accept junk and worthless scam insurance policies.
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There is no compromise, it is an either, or situation, you want the Fed to dictate what Health Insurance the states have to accept.
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The most popular health insurance in America is Medicare even though you pay for it 40 years in advance. It is in essence is the public option but only available to those 65 and older or disabled. Make the public option available to everyone. Only the insurance companies stand to lose.
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Reply Mon 1 Apr, 2019 09:07 pm
@Baldimo,
Medicare is in effect the public option and none of the things you say are true for Medicare. There is no longer waiting time and Medicare is far cheaper than regular health insurance. Most of the medical advancements are coming from publicly funded universities.
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When you stated that your health insurance doubled in cost. What you meant was that your portion doubled not the cost of the insurance policy as such.
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The thing is health insurance is getting so expensive even employers can no longer afford to pay for health insurance. For most of the 20th century health insurance was a benefit provided for free to employee but as it got more expensive and it is a major expense for the employer, the cost was shifted to the employees. You may find that you competitors are charging their employees far more than your employer for health insurance. The union shop allowed us a seat at the table and input in the process something a nonunion shop could not do.
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You are back a few years the school years now runs up into June and starts back in mid-August. That is only a couple of months and 5 weeks of vacation is not uncommon now for other employers. You seem to hate teachers maybe some transference from your ex-wife.
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So, you are complaining that those who chose not to buy Obamacare plans went up, that left them the option of buying one of the Obamacare plans, oh right the Republican states didn’t adopt Obamacare. The savings were there every time one of those previously uninsured people went to hospital their bill was paid for by health insurance instead of being a cost of doing business, bad debt traditionally passed on to those with health insurance.
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We had traditional health insurance that paid 100% in the 20th century. There is absolutely no point of having an insurance policy that does not protect you from catastrophic loss. Now one the largest categories of people going bankrupt is those that have health insurance that leaves them bankrupt. Most health Insurance only pays 80%. Treatment for breast cancer costs is now over $500,000 your share is a $100,000 if you have insurance, if it comes back your share may be $250,000. Our finance director was key in changing our insurance policy to 80% and I watch him cry in a city council meeting after his wife’s breast cancer came back, he was literally destroyed financially. Why bother to have an insurance policy that does not protect you from bankruptcy when you have a medical claim?
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There is nothing made up about that. I paid the doctor out of pocket for years. What chose your own doctor actually means is you can choose your doctor as long as you don’t expect the insurance company to pay for him and that was the only way that you could chose your own doctor. In some fields there are several but far fewer in specialties and because they are in the program today is no reason to believe they will be in network tomorrow.
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Should you pay more for oil change because the guy has been doing it for thirty years? If you pay to have your transmission rebuilt it costs the same whether the mechanic has 5 years-experience or 35 years of experience. You are paying for a medical service. When a plumber comes to your house you don’t pay based on years of experience. If you want to be paid for years of service you need to get an hourly job where your hourly rate is paid based on years of service.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 2 Apr, 2019 01:30 pm
@Zardoz,
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Medicare is in effect the public option and none of the things you say are true for Medicare.

No it isn't, Medicare is for old people and everything I said about it is true. Lets also not forget the massive amount of fraud that goes on with those types of programs.

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There is no longer waiting time and Medicare is far cheaper than regular health insurance.

Both of which are wrong.

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Most of the medical advancements are coming from publicly funded universities.

Wrong again, the vast majority of medical breakthroughs come from private funding and research.
http://www.aei.org/publication/dont-thank-big-government-for-medical-breakthroughs/

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When you stated that your health insurance doubled in cost. What you meant was that your portion doubled not the cost of the insurance policy as such.

No, the cost of the insurance increased so therefore my cost increased. You can't make things "mandatory" and then expect them to be cheaper, it doesn't work that way.

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The thing is health insurance is getting so expensive even employers can no longer afford to pay for health insurance.

Thank you ACA.

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For most of the 20th century health insurance was a benefit provided for free to employee but as it got more expensive and it is a major expense for the employer, the cost was shifted to the employees.

Stop lying, you worked for govt your entire life, you have no idea what take place in the real world. Health Insurance has been used to bring good employees into a company. Good benefits mean a employee will stick around.

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You are back a few years the school years now runs up into June and starts back in mid-August.

2 1/2 - 3 months in the summer, 1 week at Thanksgiving, 2-3 weeks at Christmas, 1 week spring break, not to mention all the days off they have during the school year for "teacher resource day". Teachers work about 9 months a year but expect 12 months of pay.

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That is only a couple of months and 5 weeks of vacation is not uncommon now for other employers.

BS, no one offers 5 weeks vacation, the average is 2 weeks, with added week or two after 5 or 10 years of working for the company. My company is an outlier, we offer unlimited vacation, no one uses more than 2 or 3 weeks for the year though.

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You seem to hate teachers maybe some transference from your ex-wife.

Nice try, my ex-wife isn't a teacher, she is the school paraprofessional (school nurse, non-RN).

 

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