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The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

 
 
Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 6 Mar, 2019 09:13 pm
@Baldimo,
There is a formula for that also, loan rates tend to be a couple of points over the inflation rate. High inflation helps those that owe on loans because they pay back in dollars that are worth far less than the dollars they borrowed. Regan did not fix inflation he “fixed the equation that determines the inflation rate. The cost should be figured on what it costs to live, not on the cost of memory for a new computer. The cost of housing should reflect the actual cost of housing. Those coming into the market have to buy a house at the prevailing cost. They can’t rent a house they don’t own to themselves for a bargain price. Substitution one meat for another because cheaper should not be allowed. The person’s standard of living should stay the same without figuring a decline in the standard of living.
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There was a much larger selection of computers in 1999 many of the companies went out of business including the company that made my computer in 1999. Desk tops seem to be out of style for many people. There is a much bigger variety of lap tops. I have been very disappointed in the selection of desk tops the last couple of times I bought a computer. I believe I paid $2,000 for the computer I bought in 1999 but my new computer cost around $500 and has hundreds of time the memory of the first computer and it is the memory that is used to discount the inflation calculation.
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The original computer is still in working condition but the other ten did not last more than a couple of years. They were not cheap computers.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The meaning is that the cost of computer memory is used in the inflation calculation to cut the inflation rate. If you can buy more for less that cuts the inflation rate.
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No one can ever trust a known thief and conman in any negotiation. North Korea is making a complete fool out of Trump they have continued making atomic bombs that can make it to America while Trump has made concessions. Now they are putting them on the launch pads just days after the summit. Trump says he believes Kim not the actual photographs from the intelligence services that is just fake news according to Trump.
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As long as it is not a shooting war it is not a war. There has not been a shot fired in Korea for nearly 70 years. That is not what most people would think of as a war.
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We know today they are rebuilding the launch pads expect the missiles next.
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Musk had access and benefit to all the technology that NASA had developed. He had a head start.
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That is one thing that always got to me conservatives want a smaller government but contracting out government services does not make government smaller. Instead of paying employees you pay a contractor to hire employee to do the same job and the cost is much more.
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The republicans had already vowed to block anything Obama tried to do when he was inaugurated the first time.
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The Republicans blocked every budget attempt. There was never a budget during Obama’s term in office. The government was operated on continuing resolutions.
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When Germany was defeated there was a race between the Russians and American to get the top scientists out of Germany. The conservatives ran one of the top rocket scientists out of America taking his security clearance away and sending him back to China. He became the father of China’s space program.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 6 Mar, 2019 10:17 pm
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
I have been very disappointed in the selection of desk tops the last couple of times I bought a computer.
Build your own. I do.

That way I get the exact capabilities that I want, and nothing that I don't want.

And I have no bloatware installed on my hard drives.

Zardoz wrote:
North Korea is making a complete fool out of Trump they have continued making atomic bombs that can make it to America while Trump has made concessions. Now they are putting them on the launch pads just days after the summit.
If North Korea starts a nuclear war, the US will eradicate them.

Meanwhile, worldwide sanctions will remain in full force so long as they possess illegal nuclear weapons.

Zardoz wrote:
The republicans had already vowed to block anything Obama tried to do when he was inaugurated the first time.
The Republicans tried to make deals with Obama. Obama just keep reneging on the deals under pressure from the left.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 7 Mar, 2019 10:46 am
@Zardoz,
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Regan did not fix inflation he “fixed the equation that determines the inflation rate.

I notice that you didn't answer the question, figures. The average interest rates in the late 70's and early 80's was over 15%... by 1985 after Reagan had been in office for 4 years, the interest rates were down around 7%, half of what they were prior to Reagan being in office.

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The cost should be figured on what it costs to live, not on the cost of memory for a new computer.

What are you talking about, since when does the price of a house relate to the cost of RAM?

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The cost of housing should reflect the actual cost of housing.

What does that even mean? Should people not be allowed to make a profit on the sale of their house? Should houses only be sold for what they were originally built for?

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Those coming into the market have to buy a house at the prevailing cost.

Prevailing cost? Once again, what does that even mean? Housing prices change based on the supply and demand market, and the actual value of the property. Do you know what goes into a "market analysis" for a home?

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They can’t rent a house they don’t own to themselves for a bargain price.

Of course they can't, they don't own the property. If they want to live there they would have to come to terms and price with the owner. Let me guess, in your world, the renter would tell the owner what they were going to pay and the owner would have to accept it.

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Substitution one meat for another because cheaper should not be allowed.

This doesn't make any sense but I'll take a guess. So if you were used to eating filet mignon, you should always be able to eat filet, they shouldn't have to swap it out for NY Stripe if they can't afford the filet? Who's going to guarantee this high standard of living?

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The person’s standard of living should stay the same without figuring a decline in the standard of living.

You will have to explain this one. If I stopped doing what I do fora living now, and decided to go to a call center that only pays $14 hr, someone has to make sure my standard of living is the same for the lower earning job then it was for the higher earning job?

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There was a much larger selection of computers in 1999 many of the companies went out of business including the company that made my computer in 1999.

That really isn't the case. Not many of those companies go out of business, they are purchased by other companies. An example is Gateway, they didn't go out of business, they were bought by Acer, who in the late 90's was only making PC's of other companies designs, in the mid 2000's, they shifted to designing their own brand of PC's and laptops, and now they are one of the leaders in laptop technology.

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Desk tops seem to be out of style for many people. There is a much bigger variety of lap tops. I have been very disappointed in the selection of desk tops the last couple of times I bought a computer. I believe I paid $2,000 for the computer I bought in 1999 but my new computer cost around $500 and has hundreds of time the memory of the first computer and it is the memory that is used to discount the inflation calculation.

Memory was only one thing on the cost of PC's. The CPU, the most important part was more expensive, I know I used to build my own PC's. Memory was and is one of the cheapest things and memory has only gotten cheaper and better as tech has improved.

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The original computer is still in working condition but the other ten did not last more than a couple of years. They were not cheap computers.

The other 10 are likely working, but you got some virus's from downloading so much porn. I'm willing to bet I could get more than half those PC's working again with less than an hours time spent on each one. It would only cost you $30 hr for me to work on them, which is much much cheaper than taking them to the Geek Squad which charges about $80-$100 hr.

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The meaning is that the cost of computer memory is used in the inflation calculation to cut the inflation rate. If you can buy more for less that cuts the inflation rate.

Computer memory is used as a guide for inflation? I've been in the IT world for 20 years and have never heard that before.

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No one can ever trust a known thief and conman in any negotiation.

Good thing we don't have Hillary as President then, we wouldn't be able to trust any deals made on her watch.

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North Korea is making a complete fool out of Trump they have continued making atomic bombs that can make it to America while Trump has made concessions.

Trump has made no concessions to North Korea, you have Trump confused with Obama and Bill Clinton... Trump walked away from negotiations and gave them nothing. NK wanted sanctions lifted and Trump told them to stuff it. You know you have the stronger hand when you walk away from a bad deal. Trump is having an office put in NK so that negotiations can continue. You don't seem to know much about the situation, except what the left-leaning media tells you to think.

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Now they are putting them on the launch pads just days after the summit.

Wrong. The reports indicate the pads might be being rebuilt, we will have to see how things go in the next few weeks.

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Trump says he believes Kim not the actual photographs from the intelligence services that is just fake news according to Trump.

Trump will tell those leaders anything to their face, he's trying to work with them and calling them lies to their face wouldn't be forward progress.

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As long as it is not a shooting war it is not a war. There has not been a shot fired in Korea for nearly 70 years. That is not what most people would think of as a war.

It's a war as long as there isn't any agreed upon peace deal. While it isn't a shooting war, a hot war, it is a cold war.

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We know today they are rebuilding the launch pads expect the missiles next.

Which is it? A few sentences ago, you were claiming that the missles were already on the pads, now you say they are rebuilding them. Which ever fits your propaganda best, am I right?

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Musk had access and benefit to all the technology that NASA had developed. He had a head start.

He isn't using NASA tech though, he is using his own tech, that was invented by his company. Did you expect him to reinvent the rocket science? Who hasn't built off the knowledge of previous scientists?
Did you see that Space X launched their Dragon Crew module to the International Space Station, it was unmanned and used autopilot. Did he get that tech from NASA? How about the self landing rockets, did he get that from NASA as well?
Thanks to Elon Musk and Space X, we won't be relying on Russia like Obama wanted, to get our Astronauts into space.

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That is one thing that always got to me conservatives want a smaller government but contracting out government services does not make government smaller.

The services wouldn't be "contracted" out, they would stop being a function of govt and move to the private sector. Trach companies are a perfect example, in most places in CO, the trash companies are not owned or operated by the local govt, they are independant business that compete for people's trash service. No contracts with the city other than a business license to do business.

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The republicans had already vowed to block anything Obama tried to do when he was inaugurated the first time.

Wrong. That comment wasn't made until after the 2010 election when the GOP won the House. Prior to that, the GOP had no power, they were the minority party to the extreme, Obama had 60 and then 59 seats in the Senate as well as control of the House where you only need a simple majority to pass anything. The GOP was powerless until 2010.

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The Republicans blocked every budget attempt.

Wrong, Obama was able to pass budgets for his first 2 years, until 2010 when the GOP took the House.

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There was never a budget during Obama’s term in office. The government was operated on continuing resolutions.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong all the time? Obama had a budget in 2009, 2010 and 2016.

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When Germany was defeated there was a race between the Russians and American to get the top scientists out of Germany.

I've already mentioned this.

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The conservatives ran one of the top rocket scientists out of America taking his security clearance away and sending him back to China. He became the father of China’s space program.

The best propaganda has an element of truth in it. Yes, he was accused of being a Communist and you can't blame the govt, we had massive spying going on at the time dealing with our atomic weapons program.
The lies start with saying he was run out, he actually left because he didn't want to create weapons that would be used against his own country.
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In August, Tsien had a conversation on the subject with the then Under Secretary of the Navy Dan A. Kimball, whom Tsien knew on a personal basis. After Tsien told him of the allegations, Kimball responded, "Hell, I don't think you're a Communist", at which point Tsien indicated that he still intended to leave the country, saying "I'm Chinese. I don't want to build weapons to kill my countrymen. It's that simple." Kimball then said, "I won't let you out of the country."[21]


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He became the father of China’s space program.

That is about the only truth you have said on this subject.




Zardoz
 
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Reply Thu 7 Mar, 2019 11:17 pm
@Baldimo,
CNN was not started by a life-long political operative or was it started as a partisan political propaganda operation. It had a legitimate journalistic purpose. Fox News was founded by a life-long political operative who cut his teeth in the Nixon administration he had one objective and that was to spread as much partisan political propaganda as far and wide as possible. Fox News’ primary purpose is to get as many Republicans elected as possible Fox news never had anything to do with journalism. For all intents and purposes Fox News is like the political literature you find in your mail box at election time.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Ted Turner was not a professional political operative and you will find that he has made political contributions to candidates in both political parties. Nixon did not train him in the darker arts of politics.
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Really, who are you talking about? It has just come out that Roger Ailes gave Trump all of the questions prior to the debate. Not one question but all of them as a result Fox News will not be able to host any of the democratic presidential debates. It seems that is exactly what happened the questions were given to Trump. It seems Ailes didn’t give the questions to anyone else.
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CNN was not started as a political propaganda station and does not lie for candidates. It does not push wild conspiracy theories like the pizza child molestation ring or that everybody is just out to get that poor thieving lying conman, he has been judged a conman in a court of law and forced to return the victim’s money. Fox News exists in the alternative facts universe. It is easy to see what you want with your propaganda glasses on and Fox News telling you what to see.
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There is an old saying that says, “the news media cannot tell you how to think but they can tell you what to think about.” Fox News proved that wrong because they can and do tell the under educated how to think. You mean like Sean Hannity and Trump.
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The cities are underwater anytime the high tides come in they will go further underwater. Once the earth was underwater and big oil and big coal will not stop pumping 100,000 of tons of pollutants into the atmosphere until it is underwater again.
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The polar bears are not usually a problem in Russia you might have an occasional bear but not 30 at a time. The explanation for the bears being there was lack of polar ice.
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It is indeed hard to deal with someone who lives in an alternative facts universe.
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There were like a thousand sources that confirmed the 97% figure and one that disputed it. It is the cigarette company claiming that cigarettes are not a health hazard in fact they are good for you calming your nerves all over again.
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The thug that threatened her was Cohen for one and he stated under oath that he threatened five hundred people at Trump’s request. If you are in the business of threatening people and the mafia and the Russian mafia are some of your best friends that they might know some people who specialized in threats. The alternative facts are Trump did not do it he is just a victim and Stormy Daniels is a deep state agent trying to trap Trump. Porn stars are people too. Lawyers defend mass murders and rapists it goes with the territory. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The Muller investigation has already resulted in a number of Trumpies going to jail and individual one in the indictment is Trump. Trump is guilty plain and simple. One party to a crime can’t be guilty without the other party to the crime being guilty.
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There are some things that get lost in the shuffle. This was one of them.
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There are laws that are important and then there are nuisance laws. My dad was sitting at a stop light in a small town in another state. He was rear ended by a drunk. When he went to the magistrate’s office who is sitting behind the desk but the drunk that hit him. He tells my dad that the law in Kentucky is that you must have stop written on your brake lights. If you don’t you are at fault. How is a drunk going to know that you stop for red lights?
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What we had was a bunch of nosy politicians who wanted access to Hillary’s private emails so they could use them as a brickbat during the election. Hillary didn’t want to feed the bears (republicans).
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If you were investigated by the FBI and they found there was no crime, the matter would be over. This happened twice not once. It is over and done with, no would of, could of, or should of it is over.
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If you tax income and those making over $200,000 have 92% of the income, they need to pay 92% of the taxes. You really don’t think that those with only 8% of the income should pay 50% of the taxes.
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The IRS enforces the law that congress passed.
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Gifts were simply a way for the ungodly greedy to hide money from income tax. I support the tax placed on “excess wealth.”
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GNP shows Trump did better, but GDP is higher for Obama. The figures you sited were for GNP not GDP.
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At one time nearly half the population did not want a job. Women stayed home and took care of the children. If you were married to a doctor making a million a year and did not want a job are you unemployed. There are people who just don’t want to work. Prostitutes work every night, but they don’t have a job. Many college students don’t have a job even though they are adults. There are all kinds of reasons for not wanting a job, maybe you sell drugs, maybe you’re a thief. That is why we only count those that are actively seeking employment as unemployed. They are not starving some drug dealers make millions.
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The wars have wound way down and spending an additional ¾ of a trillion dollars on the military is a waste. If conservatives are serious about making the government smaller the obvious place to start is the military.
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Bombing and invading are two completely different things.
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It is a crime by definition, how many government employees in the Trump administration are using private servers? In fact, isn’t Twitter on private servers? It looks like Trump is in trouble.
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There are few things that can’t be accessed by government employees to believe that GOP would not have all those emails in days is foolish. Trump has been trying to get Clintons emails and even enlisted the Russian military to get them for him. The emails are not kept at the FBI.
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The Pizza parlor had been discussed by one of Trump’s favorite conspiracy theory host. Trump is an avid fan of conspiracy theories as is Don Jr. They were retweeting the stuff the Russian military was posting.
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When Trump goes to Sheldon Adelson’s pee bar to set up his Russian deal for the Miss Universe Pageant. This should tell you that Trump enjoys that. In Sheldon Adelson’s pee bar, the peeing is supposed to be simulated I don’t know where the squeeze bottle is hidden. Think how much more exciting it would be for Trump if it wasn’t simulated in Russia. There were a number of people at the meeting and what went on is documented. If he’d do one, he would do the other. Trump’s collusion with the Russians was very public and it is on tape. Trump’s said it was a joke explanation is a lie as shown clearly by follow up interviews. It was not collusion it was treason.
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Cohen was by far the most honest man in that room. Cohen is going to prison for three years for lying for Trump and there is no way that he wants to spend another day in jail. Cohen will no longer lie for Trump no matter what Trump does. A crime is not a joke and Trump is already on the indictment. This crime has been investigated and litigated and only Trump remains to be convicted. The only reason Trump has not been convicted is because a memo that say they should not indict a sitting president. Lock him up! Lock him up!
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That only shows Comey to be an honest broker when politicians on both sides are upset it shows Comey will do the right thing without being pushed around by politicians on either side.
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Every source you list is to stupid to see what is going on or they are just partisan hacks carrying the water for Trump. Anybody that can watch Trump begging for the Russian military help in beating Clinton and not realize what a true sleaze President Pussy Grabber is.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2019 11:00 am
@Zardoz,
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CNN was not started by a life-long political operative or was it started as a partisan political propaganda operation.

Ted Turner is politically bias, he was married to Hanoi Jane, you don't get any more anti-American than Jane Fonda. What she did to those POW's was shameful.

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It had a legitimate journalistic purpose.

It might have in the first few years it was started, but it didn't last long. CNN is just as bias if not more bias than Fox News. When was the last time CNN had a real panel of different people on, instead of everyone being in lockstep.

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Fox News was founded by a life-long political operative who cut his teeth in the Nixon administration he had one objective and that was to spread as much partisan political propaganda as far and wide as possible.

Considering by then, that CNN has shown it's political bias, it was already called the Clinton News Network because of all the glowing praise they heaped on Clinton and their refusual to cover any bad stories about Bill. Fox News was a direct answer to the bias presented by CNN. CNN did it first, Fox News followed in their foot steps.

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Fox News’ primary purpose is to get as many Republicans elected as possible

CNN's purpose is to get as many DNC candidates elected as possible. Why is it ok for CNN to act that way but not Fox News? What's good for the goose should also be good for the gander.

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Really, who are you talking about?

I don't know, if you don't quote me how am I to know?

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It has just come out that Roger Ailes gave Trump all of the questions prior to the debate.

That's a lie. The DNC got busted helping Clinton and now they have to make up stories about Trump and Fox News.

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Not one question but all of them as a result Fox News will not be able to host any of the democratic presidential debates.

The lack of debates has nothing to do with the lie you just told. They don't want the DNC candidates to have to answer tough questions during the DNC primaries, so they will keep the debates to friendly platforms. Everyone but Fox News is going to ask these candidates softball questions, the ones asked of beauty pageant contestants.

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It seems that is exactly what happened the questions were given to Trump. It seems Ailes didn’t give the questions to anyone else.

Gotta love the latest DNC propaganda.

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The cities are underwater anytime the high tides come in they will go further underwater. Once the earth was underwater and big oil and big coal will not stop pumping 100,000 of tons of pollutants into the atmosphere until it is underwater again.

No they are not, I know people all over the US, and not a single one of them has ever commented on such a thing. This is more propaganda told by the anti-oil crowd. The claims you make tell us exactly what you are against, it has nothing to do with the "environment" and everything to do with stopping the oil companies.

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The polar bears are not usually a problem in Russia you might have an occasional bear but not 30 at a time.

That is a back track on your earlier post saying polar bears don't exist in Russia.

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The explanation for the bears being there was lack of polar ice.

Yeah, they mentioned that, but they also mentioned how the town being as remote as it is, has a massive trash dump, which also drew the bears. I'm going to guss that the bears got lazy and found it easier to eat the trash then to hunt for their own food.

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It is indeed hard to deal with someone who lives in an alternative facts universe.

Very true, I'm almost getting bored of the constant smack down I'm giving your false facts.

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There were like a thousand sources that confirmed the 97% figure and one that disputed it.

It's a BS figure put together from "survey's". There was no real research done on the figure but the left and MSM keep pushing the lie.

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The thug that threatened her was Cohen for one and he stated under oath that he threatened five hundred people at Trump’s request.

Stormy Daniles had her lawsuit thrown out of court the other day, she has to pay Trump over $250,000 for the lies she told. You have zero facts on this issue.

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The alternative facts are Trump did not do it he is just a victim and Stormy Daniels is a deep state agent trying to trap Trump.

The facts are this. Trump slept with a porn star, to keep her quite about the affair, he had her sign an NDA and he paid her. She was fine with that because she didn't think he would win the Presidental race. He did win, and she realized that she was going to have a story to tel but couldn't because of the NDA. That's the facts, she wanted more money after he won, had he lost, we wouldn't know who she was because she would have taken her money and been happy.

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The Muller investigation has already resulted in a number of Trumpies going to jail and individual one in the indictment is Trump. Trump is guilty plain and simple. One party to a crime can’t be guilty without the other party to the crime being guilty.

No one is going to jail for anything dealing with the election. They are all going to jail for crimes they committed on their own. Zero connection to the election.

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There are laws that are important and then there are nuisance laws. My dad was sitting at a stop light in a small town in another state. He was rear ended by a drunk. When he went to the magistrate’s office who is sitting behind the desk but the drunk that hit him. He tells my dad that the law in Kentucky is that you must have stop written on your brake lights. If you don’t you are at fault. How is a drunk going to know that you stop for red lights?


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What we had was a bunch of nosy politicians who wanted access to Hillary’s private emails so they could use them as a brickbat during the election. Hillary didn’t want to feed the bears (republicans).

Hillary violated the law by not turning over her emails to the State Dept so they could vet what was govt and what was private. She isn't allowed to make that call. Hillary deleting her emails had nothing to do with other politicians and everything to do with covering up what she was doing in the State Dept and keep her out of jail.

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If you were investigated by the FBI and they found there was no crime, the matter would be over. This happened twice not once. It is over and done with, no would of, could of, or should of it is over.

Wrong. She isn't covered by double jeopardy because the case never went to court. The DOJ protected Hillary after Bill had a meeting with Loretta Lynch. The cover up runs deep and will be exposed.

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If you tax income and those making over $200,000 have 92% of the income, they need to pay 92% of the taxes. You really don’t think that those with only 8% of the income should pay 50% of the taxes.

Our tax system has nothing to do with who has what percentage of the wealth.

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The IRS enforces the law that congress passed.

Or they enforce the bias against political opponents. The IRS was used during the Obama years to target Conservative groups and prevent them from participating in the 2012 election.

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Gifts were simply a way for the ungodly greedy to hide money from income tax. I support the tax placed on “excess wealth.”

There is no such thing as excess wealth, stop trying to get your hands on money that doesn't belong to you.

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GNP shows Trump did better, but GDP is higher for Obama. The figures you sited were for GNP not GDP.

Obama said we would never see 2% growth again, it was a fantasy. Trump proved him wrong with only 1 year in office. Stop making excuses for Obama's failure.

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At one time nearly half the population did not want a job.

When did that happen, when woman didn't work, prior to WWII?

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Women stayed home and took care of the children. If you were married to a doctor making a million a year and did not want a job are you unemployed.

Most women were not allowed to work, once again history isn't your strong point is it.

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There are people who just don’t want to work.

Those people should starve if they don't want to work.

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The wars have wound way down and spending an additional ¾ of a trillion dollars on the military is a waste.

The wars have wound down because Trump has decided to bring our troops home. I hope he does it smarter than Obama did, not leaving our military equipment behind for someone else to use.
The entire US military budget is about 3/4 of a trillion.

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If conservatives are serious about making the government smaller the obvious place to start is the military.

Wrong again, if there is one function of the federal govt, it is the military. You scream about the threat of Russia but at the same time you want to cut military spending?

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Bombing and invading are two completely different things.

Tell that to the guy who got a Nobel Peace Prize...

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It is a crime by definition, how many government employees in the Trump administration are using private servers?

Really, you have proof that this is happening? Where is that proof?

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In fact, isn’t Twitter on private servers? It looks like Trump is in trouble.

Social media isn't email, stop being a fool.

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There are few things that can’t be accessed by government employees to believe that GOP would not have all those emails in days is foolish.

Stop making things up to make Hillary look good. Obama was still in control of the govt, if people were going expose her emails, it would have been Obama admin employees who did it.

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Trump has been trying to get Clintons emails and even enlisted the Russian military to get them for him. The emails are not kept at the FBI.

She had a private server in her basement, the Russian's were already in her email and had copies. Trump was telling a joke and it flew over the head of the leftist Hillary supporting media.

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When Trump goes to Sheldon Adelson’s pee bar to set up his Russian deal for the Miss Universe Pageant.

You continue to think this happened, you are in a worse condition than I originally thought.

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Cohen was by far the most honest man in that room.

He's being brought up on additional charges of lying to Congress from his last interview. Only in your world would a lawyer who is going to jail for lying would be an honest person.

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Cohen is going to prison for three years for lying for Trump and there is no way that he wants to spend another day in jail.

Wrong again, he is going to jail for his own crimes, nothing to do with Trump.

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Cohen will no longer lie for Trump no matter what Trump does. A crime is not a joke and Trump is already on the indictment.

Cohen is't going to lie for Trump anymore because he isn't Trump's lawyer.
Lawyers lie for a living, lawyers are the most dishonest people on the planet, did you know a majority of our politicians are lawyers by trade.

You are going to be sorely disappointed when the Mueller report comes out and shows Trump did nothing wrong.

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That only shows Comey to be an honest broker when politicians on both sides are upset it shows Comey will do the right thing without being pushed around by politicians on either side.

It has been proven that Comey lied to Congress when he testified. He should be showing up in a court docket soon for those lies.

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Every source you list is to stupid to see what is going on or they are just partisan hacks carrying the water for Trump. Anybody that can watch Trump begging for the Russian military help in beating Clinton and not realize what a true sleaze President Pussy Grabber is.

Every source I provide, which is something you don't do, is factual. You can't disprove what they say, so you attempt to undermine them with lies and propaganda.










Zardoz
 
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Reply Fri 8 Mar, 2019 08:57 pm
@Baldimo,
Fusion GPS was initially hired by the conservative website, The Washington Free Beacon, to investigate Trump. After the primaries the information was sold to the Democrats.

“The Washington Free Beacon is an American conservative political journalism website launched in 2012. It states that it is “dedicated to uncovering the stories that the powers that be hope will never see the light of day” and producing “in depth investigative reporting on a wide range of issues, including public policy, government affairs, international security, and media.”

Source: Wikipedia
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WE all know that actions speak much louder than words. The diagnoses would be far more accurate observing how the individual interacted with others. Criminals and murders find it easy to deceive even well-trained psychiatrist. One murder in a mental institution in Alaska was judged so sane by staff they let him out during the day. He spent his time murdering four teenagers. Now they could use his actions, not self-reporting, to correctly judge him. I can tell when their work is done properly.
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Violating their oath? Really when a madman has is hands on the nuclear weapons. That would be nice after the United States disappears in a nuclear mushroom cloud, they could say but I didn’t violate my oath.
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The psychiatrist are professionals and over 200 agree that Trump is a clear and present danger to America. Trump is why we have to have a 25th amendment.
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That had to be a lying Republican congresswoman’s wishful thinking.
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Sorry but Fusion GPS originally worked for “The Washington Free Beacon” a conservative website in the primaries only after the primaries were over was the information marketed to the Democrats. The FBI had worked with Steele for many years he was a professional spy and considered the foremost expert on Russia in the world today. Many things in dossier have been independently confirmed and the rest will be.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 08:20 pm
@oralloy,
Reagan was the one running guns to South America illegally and every plane that went down with guns came back loaded with drugs. This took place long before Clinton was elected. There were so many drugs flown back into the country that our big cities were floating in crack cocaine. CIA was running guns to South America with Reagan full knowledge and consent. It was called the Iran-Contra affair where Reagan sold arms to Iran, which was subject of an arms embargo. The Reagan administration was illegally selling weapons to Iran to fund the gun smuggling operation to Contras in Nicaragua. There is even a movie made about all the damage done to America by Reagan.

Didn’t you read your own source it says, the operation was run out of Washington by Reagan and Oliver North. There can’t be two bosses. Both your sources say the operation was mastermind by Washington. If the Federal government sets up shop in your state you can’t stop them.
Clinton did not set this operation up nor did he run it, Reagan ran it. State government cannot oversee the Federal government, the Federal government oversees the state governments.
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You only need to realize what the facts are and they show fewer and fewer Americans own guns or want to own guns.
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Health insurance has been changing for years at one time you could choose a doctor but those days ended 20 years ago. The insurance policy we had was considered a Cadillac plan which the Republicans planned to tax like income to stamp that type of insurance out. Now when you want a doctor, they give you a book and you can pick one of the in-network doctors. You can pick an out of network but they will only pay 40% of the bill. I had a doctor that I had for 40 years that was in the network at one time but was later dropped out. I paid for the insurance and I paid the doctor out of pocket until he retired. It is time insurance companies are eliminated and we have a single payer.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 9 Mar, 2019 11:29 pm
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
Reagan was the one running guns to South America illegally

And rightly so. We needed to prevent the Soviets from conquering the world.


Zardoz wrote:
every plane that went down with guns came back loaded with drugs.

Not really, but let's run with it.


Zardoz wrote:
This took place long before Clinton was elected.

That is incorrect. Bill Clinton was the governor of Arkansas, and he had these supposed drugs flown into his airport.


Zardoz wrote:
There were so many drugs flown back into the country that our big cities were floating in crack cocaine.

Flown in through Bill Clinton's airport in Arkansas.


Zardoz wrote:
CIA was running guns to South America with Reagan full knowledge and consent. It was called the Iran-Contra affair where Reagan sold arms to Iran, which was subject of an arms embargo. The Reagan administration was illegally selling weapons to Iran

Not illegal. It was Reagan's arms embargo. Bypassing his own arms embargo was not a crime.


Zardoz wrote:
to fund the gun smuggling operation to Contras in Nicaragua. There is even a movie made about all the damage done to America by Reagan.

Protecting the world from the Soviets didn't damage America. It saved us.


Zardoz wrote:
Didn't you read your own source it says, the operation was run out of Washington by Reagan and Oliver North.

"Mr. Clinton left many unanswered questions behind when he to Washington."

"Mr. Clinton's allies in state government worked to suppress Mena investigations. In 1990, for example, when Mr. Bryant made Mena an issue in the race for attorney general, Clinton aide Betsey Wright warned the candidate 'to stay away' from the issue, according to a CBS Evening News investigative report. Ms. Wright denies the report. Yet once in office, and after a few feints in the direction of an investigation, Mr. Bryant stopped looking into Mena."

"From February to May 1992, Mr. Duncan was involved in a series of meetings aimed at deciding how to use a $25,000 federal grant obtained by then-Rep. Bill Alexander for the Mena investigation. ... According to Mr. Duncan's notes on the meetings, Mr. Clinton's aides closely tracked the negotiations over what to do with the money. Mr. Duncan says a May 7, 1992, meeting with Col. Goodwin was interrupted by a phone call from the governor, though he does not know what was discussed."

"In 1988, local authorities suffered a similar setback after Charles Black, a Mena-area prosecutor, approached Gov. Clinton with a request for funds for a Mena investigation. 'He said he would get on it and would get a man back to me,' Mr. Black told CBS. 'I never heard back.'"

"Mr. Clinton, Mr. North and others engaged in a massive conspiracy to smuggle cocaine"


Zardoz wrote:
There can't be two bosses.

Bill Clinton was the boss of the airport that the alleged drugs were flown into.


Zardoz wrote:
Both your sources say the operation was mastermind by Washington.

They say that the drugs were flown into an airport controlled by Bill Clinton.


Zardoz wrote:
If the Federal government sets up shop in your state you can't stop them.

Bill Clinton was not a bystander. He was a willing participant in the operation.


Zardoz wrote:
Clinton did not set this operation up nor did he run it, Reagan ran it.

Bill Clinton controlled the airport that the supposed drugs were flown into.


Zardoz wrote:
State government cannot oversee the Federal government,

They can be willing participants however.


Zardoz wrote:
the Federal government oversees the state governments.

The Constitution says that states are sovereign powers.


Zardoz wrote:
You only need to realize what the facts are and they show fewer and fewer Americans own guns or want to own guns.

The people who do still want guns, want them more and more. Those people are not turning away from guns at all.


Zardoz wrote:
Health insurance has been changing for years at one time you could choose a doctor but those days ended 20 years ago.

That is incorrect. Those days ended in 2014 when Obama kicked everyone off from their high grade insurance plans.


Zardoz wrote:
Now when you want a doctor, they give you a book and you can pick one of the in-network doctors. You can pick an out of network but they will only pay 40% of the bill.

Yes. Now, thanks to Obama, that is the best that is available.


Zardoz wrote:
It is time insurance companies are eliminated and we have a single payer.

Marketplace competition between insurers is superior to systems where there is no marketplace competition.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Sun 10 Mar, 2019 11:10 pm
@Baldimo,
If the city attorney didn’t come to court, and he didn’t 99% of the time, how do you think the job got done? Do you think the defendant prosecuted himself?
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Everything that takes place in life is not documented on the internet. Trump 8 thousand plus lies are having an effect on the rest of the country. Because Trump lies with every breath people are beginning to believe that is the new normal.
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If you spend so much time in the real world how come you seem to have so little idea what is going on. I don’t know of anything you have disproved except in your own mind.
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A court order would no doubt be the right way to go about instead of hiring a thug to threaten them.
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There are many lifelong Republicans that feel the same way about Trump.

“Everything about Donald Trump’s presidency and character is a disaster for America. The victories Republicans think they have achieved are transitory and ephemeral and come at the cost of their principals and probably, their immortal souls. He is a stain on the party, on conservatism, and on the country that won’t easily wash out.

Rick Wilson from “Everything Trump Touches Dies”

The Main Stream New Media does not protect anyone they simply report the facts.
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Obama put sanctions on Russia after Russia invaded the Crimea. After the Russian military mounted a serous cyber attack on America Obama put more sanctions on Russia. Trump promised his new best friend Putin that he would remove the sanctions. The only problem was the line to Russia was monitored.
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Judges tend to follow the law, Trump thinks of the law as temporary inconvenience.
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The Muslim ban was struck down because it was a racist law.
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Trump cannot ban Muslims from entering America and the courts affirmed that. Since Trump could not ban Muslims from entering America, they looked for another reason. What they came up with was ban on countries who could not do security background checks of those coming to America. The two coincided with many of the Muslim countries. The trouble with you is you watch propagandas instead of the news.
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There is actually film of the Russian spy at NRA gathering asking Trump to state his pro-Russian position. Not to mention all the Russian money the NRA laundered into the Trump campaign.
“The 2018 Midterm Elections May Have Exposed a Shift on Gun Control”

Source Vox
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If you are going to be an NRA member you need to learn to speak Russian so you can communicate with your other comrades.
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Reagan raised the age of retirement. You can still retire at 62 but your benefit will be cut by 30% and since social security only supplies 40% of your pre-retirement income that would leave with only 28% of your pre-retirement income. Very few people will be able to do that without continuing to work and pay into social security. That demographic is lie just as bad as Baby Bush’s lie that the social security trust fund was just worthless paper. There is a line of conmen from sea to shining sea who are going to tell all kinds of lies to get their hands on trillions of dollars of social security money. Whether it is 68 or 67 it makes little difference. A good fraction of the baby boomers is dead or dying and when that generation is gone that should correct any age distribution problem.
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“Summary: Actuarial Status of the Social Security Fund”
Source: Social Security
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There are so many crooks with crooked stock schemes that it is impossible to keep up with them.
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You missed the Great Depression of 2008 when over a trillion dollar was gone overnight in one of the biggest fraud schemes ever. The easiest way to commit fraud is with stocks, at best it is gambling. Politicians might steal a few dollars but it is chump change to the real thieves on Wall Street. That is much like the anti-gay mayor who was gay.
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The first people who collected social security never pay into it but those that were working paid for their social security. It had to start somewhere but it was pay as you go until Reagan raised social security five times to create a trust fund that could be used to provide 60% tax cuts for the ungodly greedy.
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You have a $100 million plus insurance policy what do you think a $100 million plus insurance policy would cost. Insurance was going up at a double-digit rate anyway. I assume your health is provided by your employer and you only pay a portion. My health insurance went up 600% under baby Bush. That is why you have a single payer system and get rid of the parasite insurance system that drives price up. Insurance companies don’t provide health care.
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Wal Mart is a major corporation and was pressured by state governments to provide Health Insurance because the states had to pay for their employees’ medical care.
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This is why capitalism won’t work for drugs. What will a diabetic pay for insulin? Any price they can. That ruins the supply and demand curve. The corporation has one reason to exist that is to maximize profits. Utilities have a public service commission that sets rates and the drug industry must be regulated in the same way.
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The only thing that health insurance has done is presided over medical costs that surpassed what consumers could afford. Rendering the supply and demand curve useless.
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I thought conservatives were states rights people and now you want the Feds to take control of the insurance companies. Why do the insurance companies have no problem with fire and auto policy regulations? Why only health insurance? Health insurance has only a few large customers as employers provide the vast majority health insurance. This is why health insurance companies don’t bother with many states.
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If the Feds took over health insurance it would not make any difference health insurance would continue to up at a double-digit rate.
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My health Insurance was $100 deductible and covered 100% of medical cost in 1974. There was no such thing as co-pay and it was provided by the employer for free. It cost the city $60 a month. Even if you take inflation into account it has exceeded it several times.
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If you can’t choose a doctor because the insurance companies says you can’t chose your doctor period. You can only choose a doctor if you can in fact chose a doctor otherwise the insurance company chooses the doctor.
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If you can choose your doctor you go to the phone book and chose a doctor.
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Not just government, any insurance company with a network will set prices they will pay. If you are in network you accept what the insurance company pays.
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There are plenty of doctors available they just won’t accept the insurance.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 10 Mar, 2019 11:58 pm
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
You missed the Great Depression of 2008 when over a trillion dollar was gone overnight in one of the biggest fraud schemes ever. The easiest way to commit fraud is with stocks, at best it is gambling. Politicians might steal a few dollars but it is chump change to the real thieves on Wall Street.
A failed investment isn't fraud.

Zardoz wrote:
That is why you have a single payer system and get rid of the parasite insurance system that drives price up. Insurance companies don’t provide health care.
With a single payer system there is no longer any market competition between insurance companies.

No thanks.

Zardoz wrote:
My health Insurance was $100 deductible and covered 100% of medical cost in 1974. There was no such thing as co-pay
That was my insurance in 2013, except it was a $250 deductible.

Then Obama lied, said that my plan was inferior, and forced me off my plan.

Zardoz wrote:
If you can’t choose a doctor because the insurance companies says you can’t chose your doctor period. You can only choose a doctor if you can in fact chose a doctor otherwise the insurance company chooses the doctor.
I didn't have to worry about staying in a network in order to be covered until 2014 when Obama forced me off from my insurance plan.
Baldimo
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 11 Mar, 2019 08:29 am
@Zardoz,
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Fusion GPS was initially hired by the conservative website, The Washington Free Beacon, to investigate Trump. After the primaries the information was sold to the Democrats.

Lies, lies and more lies. The truth is a hard thing for you to deal with isn't it.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/once-more-for-good-measure-conservatives-didnt-fund-the-steele-dossier

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I can tell when their work is done properly.

You have severe delusions of grandeur. You have claimed in the past you were some sort of Judge Dredd: Judge, jury and executioner in court cases...

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Violating their oath?

Yes, violating their oath's and what makes it worse is they are doing it for political reasons. I posted the info where it directly points to what they did wrong and why.

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The psychiatrist are professionals and over 200 agree that Trump is a clear and present danger to America. Trump is why we have to have a 25th amendment.

They are not acting like professionals when they do the exact thing they are not suppose to do, "diagnose" someone without consulting them.

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That had to be a lying Republican congresswoman’s wishful thinking.

Context?

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Sorry but Fusion GPS originally worked for “The Washington Free Beacon” a conservative website in the primaries only after the primaries were over was the information marketed to the Democrats.

I've already posted a link that disproves this leftist lie.

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The FBI had worked with Steele for many years he was a professional spy and considered the foremost expert on Russia in the world today. Many things in dossier have been independently confirmed and the rest will be.

Steele was a disgraced and fired contractor with the FBI. Nothing in the dossier has been proven correct, including the lie that Cohen flew to Prague. The leftists have nothing, the day of reckoning is coming.

Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 11 Mar, 2019 09:45 am
@Zardoz,
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If the city attorney didn’t come to court, and he didn’t 99% of the time, how do you think the job got done? Do you think the defendant prosecuted himself?

Ok Judge Dredd.

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Everything that takes place in life is not documented on the internet.

Is this your weak defense against not posting sources and links to the crap you claim?

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If you spend so much time in the real world how come you seem to have so little idea what is going on. I don’t know of anything you have disproved except in your own mind.

I've disproved just about everything you have claimed and I've done it with facts and links and proof.

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A court order would no doubt be the right way to go about instead of hiring a thug to threaten them.

No one hired a thug except Stormy Daniels. No threats were made and she lost her court case, she now owes Trump more than $250,000, because she lied.

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There are many lifelong Republicans that feel the same way about Trump.

So, what's your point? There were DNC politicians who were against Obama, the MSM ignored them because the MSM loved Obama. It points to the exact media bias I'm always talking about.

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The Main Stream New Media does not protect anyone they simply report the facts.

How wrong you are, they protect liberal and leftist politicians and their followers. When was the last time you heard about the Govt and Lt. Gov of Virginia? One is a racists who wants to kill babies, and the other is a rapist. Had either one of these guys been GOP instead of DNC, their stories would still be headline news.

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Obama put sanctions on Russia after Russia invaded the Crimea. After the Russian military mounted a serous cyber attack on America Obama put more sanctions on Russia. Trump promised his new best friend Putin that he would remove the sanctions. The only problem was the line to Russia was monitored.

Obama told Putin he would have more flexibility after the election, Russia invaded Crimea about a year after Obama was sworn into his 2nd term. Russia moved on Crimea with Obama approval, his sanctions were only window dressing.

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The Muslim ban was struck down because it was a racist law.

The SCOTUS backed Trump's EO, and confirmed he had the right and power to do so.

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Trump cannot ban Muslims from entering America and the courts affirmed that. Since Trump could not ban Muslims from entering America, they looked for another reason. What they came up with was ban on countries who could not do security background checks of those coming to America. The two coincided with many of the Muslim countries. The trouble with you is you watch propagandas instead of the news.

He never tried to ban Muslims, that's where you left-wing propaganda lies to you. His original ban was for the reasons you said above, none of your bias "history" is true.

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There is actually film of the Russian spy at NRA gathering asking Trump to state his pro-Russian position.

Source Vox

Is this the video you were talking about, it's actually, it was actually at Freedom Fest, not an NRA meeting?
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/07/16/trump-russia-probe-russian-national-mariia-butina-question-sot-vpx.cnn

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Not to mention all the Russian money the NRA laundered into the Trump campaign.

It never happened, if it did, that Russian lady would have been indicted by Mueller, it didn't happen.

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If you are going to be an NRA member you need to learn to speak Russian so you can communicate with your other comrades.

I've been a member for over a year and have not spoken to or interacted with a single "russian". You leftist sure have embraced the new "Red Scare"...

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Reagan raised the age of retirement.

He isn't the only one to have raised the age though is he?

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A good fraction of the baby boomers is dead or dying and when that generation is gone that should correct any age distribution problem.

What sort of crack are you smoking? We aren't even close to 50% of the Baby Boomers being dead yet. Why do you tell such outlandish lies all the time, it doesn't help your argument.

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There are so many crooks with crooked stock schemes that it is impossible to keep up with them.

That actually isn't true, stock fraud is still fraud and people go to jail for fraud.

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You missed the Great Depression of 2008 when over a trillion dollar was gone overnight in one of the biggest fraud schemes ever.

Great Depression of 2008? You can't even get this recent bit of history correct.

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The first people who collected social security never pay into it but those that were working paid for their social security. It had to start somewhere but it was pay as you go until Reagan raised social security five times to create a trust fund that could be used to provide 60% tax cuts for the ungodly greedy.

So the very fact the first people who paid into SS never paid a dime into SS proves that it isn't a "pay as you go system". You pay into the system now, so others can retire now, it was never a pay as you go system. It's always been banked for others to retire. It's the worlds largest pyramid scam and there will be nothing for my generation to retire on in 25 years.

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Insurance was going up at a double-digit rate anyway. .

My costs have gone up 4x in the first 2 years of the ACA and they haven't gone down at all, Obama lied to us.

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I assume your health is provided by your employer and you only pay a portion.

We were told the prices would go down, that was a lie. They have only ever gone up. Obama and the DNC lied about the ACA, and it cost me a lot of money with no additional coverage I can use.

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Wal Mart is a major corporation and was pressured by state governments to provide Health Insurance because the states had to pay for their employees’ medical care.

More lies, no one has "pressured" Walmart to provide health insurance. I worked for them in the mid-90's and they were already providing insurance and it wasn't due to pressure from anyone. Until the ACA, no one was forced to provide insurance, companies did it as a way to lure the best workers.

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This is why capitalism won’t work for drugs.

You sure make a lot of comments on "capitalism" that aren't true.

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What will a diabetic pay for insulin? Any price they can. That ruins the supply and demand curve.

I don't think you have the slightest idea of what the supply and demand curve really is. If govt is setting the rules, supply and demand fail to work properly.

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The corporation has one reason to exist that is to maximize profits.

That isn't the reason for the corporation, that is one of it's functions. Creating a product or service to sell is the key. Without a product or service, that corporation is worthless.

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Utilities have a public service commission that sets rates and the drug industry must be regulated in the same way.

According to you, everything should be controlled by a commission and private business shouldn't exist.

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I thought conservatives were states rights people and now you want the Feds to take control of the insurance companies.

That isn't even close to what I indicated, stop putting words in my mouth.

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Why do the insurance companies have no problem with fire and auto policy regulations?

The Feds are not involved with such items of insurance, that is all handled by the State regulators.

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Why only health insurance? Health insurance has only a few large customers as employers provide the vast majority health insurance. This is why health insurance companies don’t bother with many states.


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If the Feds took over health insurance it would not make any difference health insurance would continue to up at a double-digit rate.

The Feds already tried, and it caused prices to go up 4x already, any more "intervention" and prices will be 8x as high. The Feds have done nothing for the average person to lower their costs, now they want to continue to scam with "single payer". That will drive costs through the atmosphere and their only answer will be more taxes to pay for it.

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My health Insurance was $100 deductible and covered 100% of medical cost in 1974.

Good for you and 1974, what does that have to do with the world 46 years later?

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If you can’t choose a doctor because the insurance companies says you can’t chose your doctor period. You can only choose a doctor if you can in fact chose a doctor otherwise the insurance company chooses the doctor.

Is this some sort of deflection from Obama's lie that you could keep your insurance and your doctor?

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There are plenty of doctors available they just won’t accept the insurance.

It's the govt back insurance that they are dropping, not normal insurance programs.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Mon 11 Mar, 2019 08:57 pm
@oralloy,
Dictators used the US trained death squads to kill anyone that opposed them. It was a way to eliminate all their political rivals. The United States didn’t care who the death squads killed as long as the dictator kept care of the US interest in that country. When these death squads stated killing 10s of thousands of people it should have been a clue. These weren’t battlefield casualties these people were taken from their homes in middle of the night and executed.
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That was the very argument the Republicans made to stop the public option. The Republican argued if there was a public option that it would eliminate the private insurance companies because it would be far cheaper. Why do you think the Republicans fought so hard to stop the public option?

Zardoz
 
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Reply Mon 11 Mar, 2019 10:03 pm
@Baldimo,
It really does not matter where they started once they knew that dictators used death squads to kill their political enemies the program should have been terminated. Now the death squads in Nicaragua have been rejuvenated and are being used to stop a movement for democracy. Often what starts out as a good idea in theory ends up to be a terrible idea in practice
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Russia is behind the unrest in the western world. Russia want to eliminate the European Union because it is rival political power. The Russian Generals believe this method is far superior to any other method of warfare. Russia is involvement was in Syria was intended to drive large number of Syrian refugees into western countries to cause political unrest and it has worked. The United States has interfered in other countries politics for years why would you find it strange that Russia is doing the same thing? They are just doing it better. Russia has just found a much more effective way to do it.
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It is hard to come up with an exact number because Fox News employees are being hired so fast and some are going out the door as we speak. The problem is some of them are on both the Fox News payroll and the Whitehouse. That is what is called a conflict of interest. Now one of the Fox News hosts, Juan Williams, says there is no separation between Fox News and the White House. Who said everything on Fox News was a lie?
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 12 Mar, 2019 11:25 pm
@Baldimo,
Trump has repeatedly said the media is the enemy of the people. He repeatedly claimed the main stream media is “fake news.”
Trump stated that the mainstream media: “The true Enemy of the people.” Tweeted after pipe bombs were sent to media outlets.
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Trump has made America a nation of liars now lying is just how you win the game. One of the others cases of letting people use social media to publish all kinds of lies has been the false information published about vaccinations that has resulted in disease spreading across America. In Trump America there is no such thing as truth only alternative facts of equal value.
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It would be easy to eliminate Fox News simply put the Fairness Doctrine back in place. Fox News would be out business overnight. Trump runs the executive branch and the employees of FCC answer to him if Trump direct them to pull NBC license because Trump doesn’t like Saturday Night Live skits, they would do it or be fired until he found somebody that would do it. The source I listed made it clear exactly what Trump threatened.
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I gave you the source that showed that Trump threatened to take NBC broadcast license and there are a 100 more sources for that. Trump is a bully and he tries to bully everyone constantly.
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If you watch the mainstream new you will see that they just report facts but Trump does not want the facts reported he wants the mainstream media to make up stories about how great Trump is. Trump think the mainstream media should spend their time like Fox hero worshiping him. When that doesn’t happen, Trump wants to pull their broadcast license after all that is how Trump’s best friend Putin does it.
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You ae spoiled with Fox News constant hero worship of Trump and think that garbage is reality and when Trump is not hero worshiped on the mainstream media you think that hero worship is a requirement. Respect is never given it is earned. President pussy grabber gets all the respect he has earned. Obama is not running for election he is another dead horse.
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Why do you think they come up with a dollar figure like $37 million or $3 billion? Do you think they have a large jar with different numbers and they just pull one out of hat? If you are going to make a deal you want to know what that deal costs before you sign the contracts.
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That is like buying a car with $400 a month-payments and saying if my payments are cut $200 a month it is just keeping more of your money. The thing about government services is people don’t think they have an actual cost like a car or house. They believe the cost of government services they are consuming should be put on a giant credit card so the next generation can pay for the huge tax cuts for the ungodly greedy. It isn’t keeping your money it is being a deadbeat and expecting someone to pay for your services. In accounting you have assets and liabilities if a $10,000 liability is removed it has the same effects as gaining $10,000 in assets.
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It is easy to play blind, do you have a cane? If you make a deal $3 billion off you taxes you gained $3 billion. If the deal was that you had to pay the $3 billion in taxes but after three years, they gave you three billion back would that make you believe that Amazon got $3 billion? That would be the same deal with a different structure. The end result is exactly the same. Money is only a game to structure exchanges.
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The car has a value and I could turn around and sell for that $30,000 and that would be $30,000 income that would need to be reported as such.
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I don’t think you have done any research for me, it would take hours old posts to locate that link.
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Some can’t see the forest for the trees you couldn’t see a tree in a desert.
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Wal Mart low wage work forces was made possible by the taxpayers and Bezos never met a government body he couldn’t fleece.
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I gave you a direct link to the $37 million Wal Mart story.
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California’s cost of living makes California wage rate higher, my wife didn’t make that much at Wal Mart 20 years after that here. Wal Mart was known throughout the nation for low wages.
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My wife had twenty years of retail experience before she went to Wal Mart. Why go to another job when the government will provide you with a house, medical care and food?
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These people were going abroad to Europe trying to find decent medical care?
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The Russians were responsible for Debbie Wasserman Shultz stepping down. The stolen emails that were published by Wikileaks showed favoritism toward Clinton over Bernie Sanders.
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The GOP no longer has any standing in the committee to bring charges against anyone. Any charges would have to be bought by the committee chairman. Crimes are not committed in front of honest people. Criminals run together and someone involved in a criminal conspiracy and able to testify will be involved with other. They couldn’t convict the Mafia without testimony of killers and other criminals. Crimes are not committed in front alter boys. It foolish to believe that you are going to witness to a criminal conspiracy who is not involved in that conspiracy. Cohen had documents and tapes that backed up his story 100% and Trump did nothing but tell one lie after another.
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There is a program that pays for free phones. When the phones were first built the phone companies did not want to pay to put phones out in the country because it wasn’t profitable. A tax was placed on phone service to pay to extend the phone lines. Now that tax has built up and is used to provide phones for Wal Mart employees. It does not provide top of the line phones. Maybe the top of the line phones are stolen.
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The problem now is people don’t care what something costs they only want to know what it costs a month. The country is being run the same way. Want to spend another$750 billion on defense, how much is that a month for the next 30 years?
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They are all paying for the same bill, I said 3 payers. But if you have three payers you can make the bill much higher.
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I dealt a lot with the private sector. I could shut 20 bars down in a day’s time. And it easy to see what happens when government decides to pick winners and losers. No matter what business you’re in if your competitor is given millions in government subsidies you are out of businesses so you can’t compete.
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Government regulations have nothing to do with it, the cost of medical care has gone out of sight. Medical cost makes up 90% of the cost of insurance. You have to go after that 90%.
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Do you know one person in the middle class that could afford to buy health insurance if the employer didn’t provide it? Something everybody needs that they can’t afford.
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80% means we have 66 million people without health insurance. These people still get sick and they still go to hospital. Who do you think is going to pay their medical bills? You are it will be added to your bill. As more people can’t afford insurance you will pay for more people’s bill.
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You did not have to take the public option but it would be much cheaper.
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The Republican the public option at the bequest of the insurance companies.
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You can not have coverage for preexisting conditions without mandatory insurance. It is like saying you can buy car insurance after the accident occurred. The cost of insurance pre existing condition would be three time the cost of insurance. You can’t have one without the other.
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It may be the exception but it only takes a few and we had several at the city. A small insurance company can be bankrupted by a single clam. If you think it exception just go to one of the local hospital intensive care units for babies to see how common it is.
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Do you pay for all of the cost of your insurance or do you have an employer sponsored plan?
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By the time you’re are 50 about 80% of the people will have a pre-existing condition, whether it is a heart condition, high blood pressure or something else.
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That was written into the insurance policy that made it crystal clear that if you had pre-existing would not be covered.
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I don’t think you have a clue what your insurance policy went up I think you know how much your insurance went up, you just know how much of the cost your employer shifted to you.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 13 Mar, 2019 05:47 am
@Zardoz,
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Trump has repeatedly said the media is the enemy of the people. He repeatedly claimed the main stream media is “fake news.”
Trump stated that the mainstream media: “The true Enemy of the people.” Tweeted after pipe bombs were sent to media outlets.

Fake news is the enemy of the people, and the media has been spreading lots fake news since Nov 2016. Did you see that Nancy Pelosi came forward the other day and said there is nothing to impeach Trump over...

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Trump has made America a nation of liars now lying is just how you win the game.

That's politics. Harry Reid stood on the floor of the Senate and told a massive lie about Mitt Romney and not paying taxes. When confronted later about the lie his only reply was "It worked didn't it."...

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In Trump America there is no such thing as truth only alternative facts of equal value.

Tell that to the lying MSM.

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It would be easy to eliminate Fox News simply put the Fairness Doctrine back in place.

Fox News might be the only news organization left standing if the Fairness Doctrine were put back into place. The MSM wouldn't be able to be the mouth piece of the the DNC any longer. Fox News is the only channel where opposing voices are heard. CNN and MSNBC are filled with leftist mouth pieces and no opposing opinion in sight.

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Trump runs the executive branch and the employees of FCC answer to him if Trump direct them to pull NBC license because Trump doesn’t like Saturday Night Live skits, they would do it or be fired until he found somebody that would do it. The source I listed made it clear exactly what Trump threatened.

Trump does not have the power to pull anyone's license, stop repeating the lies of the leftist media.

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I gave you the source that showed that Trump threatened to take NBC broadcast license and there are a 100 more sources for that. Trump is a bully and he tries to bully everyone constantly.

His actual quote, nothing about taking a license, he asked about challenging license's for all networks who push fake news, not just NBC's.:
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With all of the Fake News coming out of NBC and the Networks, at what point is it appropriate to challenge their License? Bad for country!


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If you watch the mainstream new you will see that they just report facts but Trump does not want the facts reported he wants the mainstream media to make up stories about how great Trump is.

They don't report fact's, they report "maybe fact's" and push them as confirmed facts. The Russia collusion lie pushed by the DNC and MSM is the perfect example of propaganda masking as news.

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Why do you think they come up with a dollar figure like $37 million or $3 billion? Do you think they have a large jar with different numbers and they just pull one out of hat? If you are going to make a deal you want to know what that deal costs before you sign the contracts.

The problem is you are lying about the Amazon deal in NY and in your town.

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The thing about government services is people don’t think they have an actual cost like a car or house.

We know they have a cost, a cost that the leftists don't care about as long as they can find "tax" money to pay for it, if they can't find the money they move forward anyways. They don't care about the cost, they care about votes for free stuff.

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It is easy to play blind, do you have a cane? If you make a deal $3 billion off you taxes you gained $3 billion.

You didn't gain anything, you kept more of what was already yours.

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If the deal was that you had to pay the $3 billion in taxes but after three years, they gave you three billion back would that make you believe that Amazon got $3 billion?

That isn't how the deal worked, the mayor of NY would disagree with your statement on how the deal was to work. He even called out AOC for the lies she was telling.

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I don’t think you have done any research for me, it would take hours old posts to locate that link.

What research, you've done exactly none. Which of the 3 links you have posted are you talking about?

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Some can’t see the forest for the trees you couldn’t see a tree in a desert.

There are no tree's in a desert, that's why it's called a desert.

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Wal Mart low wage work forces was made possible by the taxpayers and Bezos never met a government body he couldn’t fleece.

Walmart low wage work force was made possible because of low wage work. Nothing about Walmart screams skilled labor so why should they get high salaries?

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I gave you a direct link to the $37 million Wal Mart story.

You did no such thing, you provided a link to a propaganda piece that didn't even talk about the deal, it only briefly mentioned the deal as a means to pick at Walmart.

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California’s cost of living makes California wage rate higher, my wife didn’t make that much at Wal Mart 20 years after that here. Wal Mart was known throughout the nation for low wages.

Low wages according to people like you who think every should be earning $50k a year. Sorry to tell you, but the average worker at Walmart doesn't have the skills to earn more than min wage.

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My wife had twenty years of retail experience before she went to Wal Mart.

Unless she was working as a manager, 20 years of retail experience doesn't mean a lot, she didn't have any more skills than someone who had worked in retail for 2 years.

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These people were going abroad to Europe trying to find decent medical care?

I thought we were talking about Mexico, not Europe. When you are losing, you change the subject.

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The Russians were responsible for Debbie Wasserman Shultz stepping down. The stolen emails that were published by Wikileaks showed favoritism toward Clinton over Bernie Sanders.

Wrong, she was responsible for her own actions, the Russians only exposed the lies and scams of the DNC. That's what makes people the most angry, the DNC got caught and now someone has to pay for their getting exposed as scammers who don't care about democracy, they only care about power.

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The GOP no longer has any standing in the committee to bring charges against anyone. Any charges would have to be bought by the committee chairman.

Facts proof links?

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Cohen had documents and tapes that backed up his story 100% and Trump did nothing but tell one lie after another.

Cohen had a nothing burger and will be going to jail for his own crimes, nothing to do with the election or Russia.

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There is a program that pays for free phones.

Free? They aren't free, someone is paying for them. Instead of free phones, call them what they are, taxpayer provided phones.

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The problem now is people don’t care what something costs they only want to know what it costs a month.

Leftists have never cared what something cost, as long as they don't have to pay for it.

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The country is being run the same way. Want to spend another$750 billion on defense, how much is that a month for the next 30 years?


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They are all paying for the same bill, I said 3 payers.

No, you said triple billing... which isn't the same thing you are talking about now.

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But if you have three payers you can make the bill much higher.

Only in your mind does it work that way, must have been how you did business.

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I dealt a lot with the private sector.

You didn't deal with the private sector, you harrassed them. You have made it quite clear your stance on the private sector and I'm pretty sure I know how you treated them.

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I could shut 20 bars down in a day’s time. And it easy to see what happens when government decides to pick winners and losers.

How many winners did you pick and how many losers did you create?

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Government regulations have nothing to do with it, the cost of medical care has gone out of sight.

Govt regulations have everything to do with the costs going up. When you guarantee payment, you do nothing to bring down costs.

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Do you know one person in the middle class that could afford to buy health insurance if the employer didn’t provide it?

Not after the ACA went into effect, it drove costs up to the point where govt assistance is required. They caused a problem and now think they are the solution.

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80% means we have 66 million people without health insurance.

No it doesn't, the numbers given in 2009 were half that, remove illegal immigrants and the number was even lower.

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As more people can’t afford insurance you will pay for more people’s bill.

Thank you ACA...

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The Republican the public option at the bequest of the insurance companies.

The GOP had nothing to do with the ACA, take those lies somewhere else.

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You can not have coverage for preexisting conditions without mandatory insurance.

Sure you can, they are 2 different things.

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The cost of insurance pre existing condition would be three time the cost of insurance. You can’t have one without the other.

Yes you can. Making insurance mandatory goes against the Constitution, nothing in the Constitution gives the federal govt permission to force the sale of anything on the American public. The Constitution was meant to restrict the govt, not grant it powers over the American people.

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It may be the exception but it only takes a few and we had several at the city. If you think it exception just go to one of the local hospital intensive care units for babies to see how common it is.

You can't say it is an exception on one hand and then claim it isn't with the next breath...

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Do you pay for all of the cost of your insurance or do you have an employer sponsored plan?

Employer plan. Let me guess, you are going to claim my company shifted a majority of the cost to me...

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By the time you’re are 50 about 80% of the people will have a pre-existing condition, whether it is a heart condition, high blood pressure or something else.

Developing a condition in older age is not a pre-existing condition.

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I don’t think you have a clue what your insurance policy went up I think you know how much your insurance went up, you just know how much of the cost your employer shifted to you.

I knew this old lie would come about again. That seems to be the answer all you leftists come up with. It couldn't be the law, it had to be the evil company...
hightor
 
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Reply Wed 13 Mar, 2019 07:19 am
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There are no tree's in a desert, that's why it's called a desert.

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_-zOrAL1V5Jg%2FTAd1c9LfOgI%2FAAAAAAAAE5s%2FTGxM5fqAoMo%2Fs640%2Fdeadvlei%2Bdead%2Bvlei%2Btrees%2Bnabid%2Bdesert%2Bdried%2Bpetrified%2Bdessicated.jpg&f=1

There's no apostrophe in the plural of "trees" either.

Don't you have something better to do with your time?
Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 13 Mar, 2019 12:10 pm
@hightor,
Since when do we live by the exception instead of the rule? A desert is a barren area of landscape where little precipitation occurs and, consequently, living conditions are hostile for plant and animal life. The lack of vegetation exposes the unprotected surface of the ground to the processes of denudation

Desert:
A desert is a barren area of landscape where little precipitation occurs and, consequently, living conditions are hostile for plant and animal life. The lack of vegetation exposes the unprotected surface of the ground to the processes of denudation

Antarctica is the worlds largest desert, no trees there either.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 13 Mar, 2019 07:46 pm
@Baldimo,
While our insurance continued to increase after Obamacare became the law of the land it did not increase at a faster rate than it did before. I think you confuse what you must pay to be on your employer’s health insurance. Up until 2001 the total health insurance bill was paid by the city. In 2001 employees had to pay $25 a month for insurance. In 2008 that was increased to $158 a month. Notice that was before Obama took office. It remained the same until I retired in December of 2015 when I retired. Notice there was no increase in my portion long after Obamacare was in effect. Once employers found they could shift the cost of health insurance they looked at it as a revenue stream and it was treated that way. If you had a union, they would have looked at the employer’s actual increase to see if they were justified in increase the employees’ portion so radically. Then the increase would be subject to negotiation.
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I think if you take an actual count it would be far higher. If there is an available source when you request it has been posted. Not all of life’s experience can be found on the Internet.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 13 Mar, 2019 08:39 pm
@oralloy,
I don’t think I would want to build a computer. I have repaired an Apple Computer I own or added memory but that is about as far as I want to go. At one time there was a fantastic selection but it is somewhat disappointing selection now. I don’t have any special requirements as the computer is just used for ordinary applications.
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Everything has a price if we eradicate North Korea with nuclear weapons the nuclear fallout clouds would drift into China and South Korea killing and sickening 100s of thousands in China and South Korea. Only limited nuclear weapons could be used. It would take a full-scale invasion costing 100s of thousands of American lives. Plus, North Korea has first strike capabilities. Can we really afford to lose Washington DC, Los Angles, and San Francisco and their entire population? Would you trade those to make North Korea a smoking cinder?
Sanctions? What sanctions? They showed North Korea just registered their ships in different countries and copied the GPS tracking signals of other ships and used them.
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The Republicans drew up their battle plan the day Obama was elected they were going to block everything that Obama tried to do and they even blocked the budgets. There was nothing too small for them to block. The Republicans can careless about America it is all about political power to give everything to ungodly greedy.
 

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