Really? In the last 2 years, you have never made a deal about Trump "lies"?
In fact a vast majority of people have seen nothing but increases in their insurance costs.
People were against the ACA because Obama was black?
I thought you were better than this cheap race card tactics.
They knew it was a lie from the start and have been proven correct.
Sure I have. Because the level of prevarication is unprecedented. But I'm not indignant and belligerent. The guy isn't a professional politician, he's an amateur, learning on the job. Sometimes I almost feel sorry for the dotard. You should find a better example...maybe Bush's "weapons of mass destruction" claim? In that case there was reason for outrage; the lies cost thousands of lives — hundreds of thousands if you include the Iraqis — to the tune of a trillion dollars or more. It makes "if you like your health insurance you can keep it" look like the inadvertent fib it actually was.
Which only goes to prove that the job of assuring citizens of access to affordable healthcare is not yet done.
No. They were against Obama and the Democrats. The ACA was just part of it.
Oh come on. The Tea Partiers and the future MAGA buffoons were incensed about a halfrican in the White House. That's what got them out to the ballot box in 2010. The SSM were full of taunts and racial insults directed at Obama and his wife. For christ's sake, I listened to Limbaugh and heard what he and his adoring buffoons had to say — it was easy to read between the lines. It wasn't exclusively about the ACA.
I don't accept that characterization because it simply doesn't make sense as a political strategy.
Because the level of prevarication is unprecedented.
we aren't talking about Bush...
Screwing 80% of citizens out of cheaper insurance was all part of the plan
We aren't talking political strategy...
The US trained death squads plain and simple. They were not fighting a war they were terrorizing the population.
There are always protests somewhere in the world but protest in France because they were getting very near the Castle. They started protesting a raise in the fuel tax. This was all over the national news for weeks and would be almost impossible for a homeless person to miss that it was going on.
Once the Republicans got a taste of propaganda, they got an appetite for propaganda.
The next logical step is the elimination of free press which damages the propaganda born messages.
Trump is already threatening just such actions believing he has the power to pull the broadcast license of any station that he does not personally approve of their coverage of him.
And Trump has tried to bully and threaten the press by threatening to pull their license to do business.
The main stream press has been extremely fair to Trump in the same way the been fair to a guy that murdered four people and had sex with his cousin after death.
Whether it is cash, site development, office equipment, free building or being tax exempt for years all of it has a cash value to the Wal-Mart or Amazon.
If I owed $10,000 in taxes and the county forgave those taxes, it would be the same as giving me $10,000.
It is the same with Amazon if they would owe $3 billion in taxes for the first two years and New York lets them go tax free for 2 years it is the same thing.
The facts are clear everyone of these deals is assigned a cash value and that is what they are worth.
I did not see any way to navigate that site. Probably because the links did not go to the home page for the site.
The fact that Bezos had struck a $3 billion deal with New York should tell you that his real job is fleecing taxpayers.
Huntington was one of his early deals but if you can fleece New York tax payers you can fleece tax payers anywhere.
What this comes down to is welfare for the rich and it sets up a bidding war among the states using taxpayer dollars to do the bidding.
The real question is if healthcare in America great, why are so many Americans going out of America for medical care? The percentage of the Canadian population coming to America for healthcare is 0.149%
Every day Trump puts the rope around his own neck.
In the scheme of things, a thousand-dollar purchase is relatively small.
If you raised the price of a phone to what open heart surgery cost, say a $150,000 how many people would buy a phone? There is a price where demand self-destructs.
That is exactly how it works. I am on Medicare which pays 80% of so I need to buy an additional health insurance policy to pay the 20%. Then when I go to the doctor, I must pay part of the bill upfront. Count them it takes 3 payers to pay one bill.
When it takes three payers to buy one service that is not capitalism.
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an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
That is exactly what happens. First, I am billed in the office for the service. The second bill is sent to Medicare. The third bill goes to Blue Cross.
Capitalism depends on that consumer have the ability to purchase a product or decide not to purchase a product. That is what makes capitalism work. Medical care puts consumers in a position where they have no choice but to purchase medical care. So, medical care can never function as a capitalist market place.
You have to realize health insurance has been out of control for 40 years. The Republicans were able to stop the needed reforms with the help of the insurance companies.
To say health insurance is still going up shows it is not working is foolish.
Preexisting conditions are covered, and children can remain on their parent’s insurance to 26. Progress is made in small steps. When it came time to do away with Obamacare the public changed their mind.
A link takes you direct to one article out of thousands on the subject.
You did take math when you were in school. There are equations used to describe situations. If you change what goes into the equation you change the answer. That is exactly what Reagan did and the equation no longer reflects true inflation.
My desk top computer is far cheaper now than the one I purchased in 1999.
They cost about a third of the original, but they don’t last near as long.
The memory is many times more than 20 years ago and that figure is used to lower the inflation rate.
Trump has already cut and run without anything to show for it.
We have troops all over the world. We still have troops in Germany and Japan.
They are making a fool out of Trump they are continuing to make atomic weapons everyday
Musk had benefit of NASA’s accomplishments it was not the first trip to mars.
The conservatives want to contract out all government services including the space program.
Any new space program would have to have been developed under Bush it takes many years to design and develop a new space program.
The Congress writes the budget and the Republican controlled congress for 6 out of Obama’s 8 years in office.
You named only one German scientist.
Well I am.
The reason I brought up the "weapons of mass destruction" episode is because it illustrates how a descriptive phrase can be coined to describe something which has not yet been proven or demonstrated. It wouldn't make sense for GWB to knowingly lie about WMD. It's more likely that people around him (he tended to trust the "experts") planted the idea in his head and the phrase became a handy sound bite. Why didn't the experts shut him up? Because at some point in the process the idea seemed likely to be the case, almost too good to be true. And by the time anyone had any doubts (if anyone ever did) it became nearly impossible to walk it back when the phrase is absolutely ubiquitous throughout the media.
Oh yeah, let's come up with a program that gets us thrown out of office...that's a winning political strategy, isn't it.
"We" won't be talking about anything on this thread anymore. I come here to read what Zardoz has to say, not his mephitic critics.
News Casting was not a political avocation prior to Fox News.
None of the mainstream news station were established by political hacks except Fox News.
In most debates the questions are known to the competitors.
Most of the Republican politicians believe that Fox News has even more impact than that. They believe if they can just appear more on Fox News that the rest of their campaign won’t matter.
Hannity had Trump on again and was lying for him. Hannity swore that Cohen told him that he decided to put a $130,000 mortgage on his house to pay Trump’s whore off knowing that Trump even swindles dishwashers out of their money. Even Republicans will tell you That Hannity and Trump are like teenage girls say you hang up, no you hang up first.
There is quite a difference between commentary and outright lies Hannity tells.
They are actually tracking how fast the cracks are traveling each day. When the ice berg breaks off the coastal cities will go further underwater. Water once covered the earth also.
Polar bears should not be in Russia in the first place. They should be on the ice at the poles.
Nothing biased about facts of course you are a fan of alternative facts.
The article may have been printed in Forbes but not written by Forbes it is not an inhouse article. Are you trying to say a mainstream news source is correct?
You do know thugs threatened Stormy Daniels it is how thugs like Trump do business.
The Trumps are already planning their defense to the Muller Investigation. They are going to claim it was illegal to investigate King Trump in the first place. So, they will focus on attacking the investigators, deep state.
You got me at this point
We should put everyone who has ever deleted an email in prison because it is such a detestable crime. There should be laws against deleting emails in every state and city.
You and I both know why the emails were deleted.
They contained confidential information. Clinton was already in the process of laying the foundation for her presidential campaign. Those emails contain confidential political information that would have caused great harm if it got into the hands of the opposition.
Let me see if I got this right you don’t believe that income tax is a tax on income?
Let me tell you that the IRS says otherwise, and they will make a believer out of you.
I am, glad you see it as a gift, then gift taxes will apply.
GNP is only a partial measurement while GDP measures all economic output.
Payroll submissions would tell you how many people are working but tell you nothing about how many people are disabled, how many people don’t want a job, how many people are retired.
It is called a peace time dividend which should be used to pay off the national debt instead running up the national debt by $ ¾ of trillion more for the military which was still costs 10 times as much as the second-place country.
“Global Warfare “We’re Going to Take Out 7 Countries in 5 years: Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran.”
Source “Global Research”
The Neo-conservatives tried to get Clinton to invade those countries and he refused. There is a big difference between bombing a country and a full-scale invasion and regime change.
It makes no difference who own the private server it is just the use of a private server that is the crime.
Hillary turned over everything but her private emails. If she handed over her private emails, it would have ended up at the RNC and you know it.
I see you still believe in fairy tales, no doubt you believe in that child molestation ring run by Hillary where after molesting the children they served them on pizzas at the pizza parlor.
They make those stories up to entertain the ignorant.
You don’t bother to watch the Congressional hearings where this is all coming out. More of Trumps criminals will be in front of congress next week.
Comey had written notes taken at the time so he would make sure every detail was correct. Most people would testify from memory but not Comey.
The deep state is as real as the Pizza Parlor child molestation ring. This is a boogie man custom made for the right. It is not that Trump is a life long criminal President Pussy grabber is just a victim of the deep state.
If you don’t understand the President Pussy Grabber is unstable you are in a minority. Self-reporting is probably the worst possible way to diagnose someone because they tell you only what they think you want to hear.
Watching someone interact with others would give you much better information. If you interviewed Trump all you would get is lies it would be a waste of time.
Trump has his hand on the button that could destroy the world if he is unstable as he is, he puts every man, woman and child’s life in danger. The 25th amendment should be invoked as soon as possible.
I did not catch the congresswoman’s name. I only heard it mentioned once. It must be a lie, or the Republicans would be swinging from the chandeliers. She just said a foreign power had the emails but did not say which foreign power.
You don’t understand how it works during the primaries the Republicans will do anything to cuts each other’s throat they want to get all the dirt they can on their opponents. They will literally do anything they can to win. During the general elections all of the negative information is out there your best outcome after the research is done is to sell the information a second time because now the other party will pay for the same information. If you followed the story from start you would know that Steel dossier was paid for by the Republicans
You don’t know much about the history of South America. Reagan fought an illegal war trying to prop up one south American dictator. We were flying guns down and drugs back that flooded the inner cities with cheap crack cocaine. When Reagan was caught red-handed, he claimed he could not remember.
guns are on their way out in a couple more generations. There won’t be anybody left who wants to play cowboy.
That is like you can keep your doctor which was a lie long before Obama care came along. Insurance companies dictate which doctors you can see. If you go out of network, they only pay 40%. Trying to locate a doctor or a specialist is nearly impossible because they are out of network. Insurance companies should never be involved in health care.
I know that the NRA is so weak that it joined hands with the Russians during the last election and now politicians that are taking the NRA’s money are being targeted and 40 lost their last election. It is not going to get better it is going to get worse. Politicians that are taking the NRA’s money and with A ratings are going to have targets on their back.
That has been a lie long before Obama came along. The insurance company decides which doctors you can see and has for a long time. They have in network work doctors and out of network doctors. Of course, you are free to pick any doctor as long as you pay the bill and the insurance. Sometimes it takes weeks to find a doctor that will accept the insurance.
America had laws to prevent propaganda stations when the other main stream media was established. In order for Fox News to be established the law of the landed had to be eliminated and Reagan did just that doing away with the “Fairness Doctrine.”
The “Fairness Doctrine” required broadcast to air both sides of a political question with the host acting as a narrator. Meet the Press Daily frequently has the former head of the Republican Party along with Bill Kristol and other Republican strategists. That way both sides get to air their opinions on the big political issues of the day. Fox news views their mission the same away a campaign manager does to get Republicans elected at all costs and truth was the first to fall by the wayside.
Do you really think that continually bring up Clinton’s emails will somehow absolve Trump of a lifetime of crimes?
You have beat the Clinton email scandal to death it is not going to help Trump or keep him from facing the music.
That horse is dead, and you know it the investigations are over, and she was found not to have committed a crime.
If lying, made Clinton untrustworthy why does the same not apply to Trump? Trump has told over 8,000 documented lies. Clinton could not tell that many lies in ten lifetimes. Clinton is a dead horse it time you pick someone else to make people feel that Trump is the victim here.
Nobody pushes healthcare for all without being concern for their fellow men. That has nothing to do with power and everything to with correcting a wrong. Clinton is not running for election beating a dead horse doesn’t do any good even the horse doesn’t care. The Republicans have been obsessed with Clinton so long they are addicted.
That really depends on the personality that did the killing. Some people would blame others whether they had anything to do with it or not. Others would take it to the grave with them without betraying the others involved.
So, I can see you don’t believe the Nazis were responsible for killing 80 million people during WWII. If the Nazi philosophy gave us 80 million deaths in WWII why would they hesitate to kill a few hundred here. The Nazis came equipped to do just that.
It looks like Antifa was founded to oppose hate groups. So, it was really an Antifa member that drove the car into the crowd? The facts say otherwise. Trump style lies don’t work when the facts are obvious.
While ignorant hate mongers are entitled to their beliefs’ they should not be allowed to walk down the street armed to the teeth in riot situation with military assault weapons and enough ammunition to kill hundreds of people.
The southern racists left the democratic party likes rats from a sinking ship and they became born again Republicans. The Republican party became the home of racists.
Who do you think the Grand Wizard of the KKK endorsed for president? Hint it was not Hillary.
The Nazis were the party of the right don’t let the fact that they borrowed a term fool you. They liked dictators like Trump.
To start with Russia was still in the 18th century living under divine right of kings’ style government. Aristocracy owned most wealth and the vast majority of Russians were the equivalent of serfs tied to land.
During the great depression we sent people to Russia to study communism it was one of the most admired forms of government on the planet at the time.
While communism failed it lifted millions of Russians out of abject poverty and made Russia a world power to be reckoned with.
This didn’t involve high school kids this involve very prominent politicians and somebody in the business of killing people to start with.
Hillary Clinton would have made a much better president. It will take 200 years to repair the damage done by President Pussy Grabber who cheated on every deal he ever made.
I don’t think you had any idea the direction the country was headed. You were either a small child in the 1980s or not born yet.
When Reagan took office there were no raises at the city during the entire time he was in office. The standard of living we had fought so hard for twenty years was gone do to Reagan.
Who? Everyone of the ungodly greedy got a 60% tax cut under Reagan, all the billionaires and millionaires. The working class got something from Reagan also, five raises in their social security. Reagan cut the taxes on the ungodly greedy from 70% when he took office to 28% in 1988 when he left office 42 point cut divided 70 equals 60% cut in taxes. To pay for huge tax cuts Reagan raised social security 5 times. As fast as social security came in one door it went out the other to pay for the massive tax cuts.
Trump is not cutting spending, he is however cutting income by cutting taxes on the ungodly greedy.
Trump is in fact increasing spending at the same time he was cutting income this is a formula that worked so well for Reagan while he tripled the national debt.
The military is used to protect the property of the ungodly greedy all over the world. The ungodly greedy have mansions and businesses in many countries.
That is exactly what you think. If you take your car to a garage you expect to pay the bill. If a plumber comes to your house, you expect to pay the plumber but when it comes to government services, they should be free.
Someone on welfare gets $500 a month and here comes a billionaire and they give him $37 million. Who do you think that the Republicans will be absolutely outraged about? We all know who.
There is nothing dishonest about it I just pointed out that there are two guaranteed wage programs in America. We are not in Finland we are in America.
Greed is a character defect and greed is what is wrong with our political system.
There may be greedy people that are in the socialist system that are indeed greedy, but they don’t believe in socialism. Socialist in name only.
Then you will realize how many dictators we put in place in South America and how the death squads we trained were used.
They put dictators in places that never even heard of communism. If the ungodly greedy are going to rape the country, you want to make sure you own the dictator.
They cycle people in and out they don’t live there year-round. There are humans there 24/7/365 but not the same humans.
The tides come into those cities on sunny days with no rain in site.
You can take a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink. All I can do is give you the facts you can believe them or not. The city attorney did sort of cringe when I let him know I was having to serve as prosecutor because he didn’t like to come to court.
I will take most people at their word until I find they are untrustworthy. Trump lies all the time so you would never believe a word from him unless I could back it up from other sources.
You would be surprised what went on in the real world if you would get out from behind that computer.
Did you notice that Trump had Cohen threaten all of his schools from releasing his grades or SAT scores?
It is not only me that feels that way about Trump more than half the population feels that way and many believe him to be a clear and present danger to America.
Do you think the KKK endorsed Obama in either election? There is something about birds of feather.
Judges, unlike Trump, tend to have principals.
When you have a racists president, and even his lawyer confirms that Trump is a racist, who is making racist laws, it is easy to strike them down. The Republican states are afraid of Trump and his Russian mafia friends.
It was not pretty much the same, each time the Muslim ban was struck down in court they gutted it.
I know that the NRA is so weak that it joined hands with the Russians during the last election and now politicians that are taking the NRA’s money are being targeted and 40 lost their last election.
Politicians that are taking the NRA’s money and with A ratings are going to have targets on their back.
The age of retirement is 68 and the average life span is 77 to believe the lie that those between 68 and 77 will be half of population is absurd.
This is the second times that Forbes has been caught spreading lies. The $44 billion increase comes directly from the official social security site. They can’t both be correct and that means Forbes is spreading old propaganda for a reason.
Does Bernie Madoff mean anything to you? There are several Hollywood stars who lost their fortunes with Bernie.
Wall Street is full of people just like him. When a famous bank robber was asked why he robbed banks, he said, Because, that is where the money is. Wall street attracts more thieves than any place on earth.
The people working were paying social security which was used to pay for those who were retired. It called pay as you go.
I know people that instantly went from having no coverage to being covered for life.
Those from 20 to 26 are the most likely to be in school or working minimum wage jobs with no possibility of getting health insurance yet they are the very people who are most likely to have no medical insurance.
Many diabetics can no longer afford their insulin without insurance. They ration their supply and end up dead.
No insurance company would have ever raised the lifetime policy limit over a million it had been the same for 30 years. Nobody believes that they would exceed the lifetime limit of a million dollars, and they would not purchase it.
Each company can apply to do business in every state if they want to comply to rules of the state. The same goes for fire and auto insurance.
You are a states rights guy why would you want the Feds to dictate to your state that they had to let companies sell insurance that didn’t meet state standards.
It is simple you can buy a health insurance policy that is $10,0000 deductible. I would have had to pay all of my medical expenses for the first 40 years and pay for the worthless health insurance also. This is the direction health insurance is moving.
That has been a lie long before Obama came along. The insurance company decides which doctors you can see and has for a long time.
They have in network work doctors and out of network doctors. Of course, you are free to pick any doctor as long as you pay the bill and the insurance. Sometimes it takes weeks to find a doctor that will accept the insurance.
Insurance companies make a proposal to doctors that they will pay a fraction of the cost of his services. If he won’t accept what the insurance pays, he will not be part of their network.
They do have a listing of doctors but in some fields, it is almost impossible to find a doctor. That is not picking your doctor is it? The insurance company decides what doctors or even if you can see a doctor.
You could almost believe that tale except that after the US knew that the countries were using them as death squads killing thousands they continued to train more. The US did not stop with all the killing going on they just continued to train death squads. As long as the death squads benefited the ungodly greedy investment in whatever country they were operated in everything was fine. “Whatever is good for big business is good for the country. It was never about communism it was always about US businesses in the country.
Obama’s idea was to have a public option that would eliminate the insurance companies. The Republicans got in bed with big insurance. If Obama had got what he proposed there would not be any health insurance companies in America today.
You could almost believe that tale except that after the US knew that the countries were using them as death squads killing thousands they continued to train more.
The Russians are doing the same thing in France they are doing to America. They are pitting groups against one another by posting false and misleading stories on social media. The Russians have launched a worldwide invasion in a cyber war.
Did see how many people are working in the White House are current or former Fox news employees.
Only Trump refers to the Free Press as the enemy of the people.
The only thing going on with Twitter, Facebook, You Tube is trying to block the Russian military from posting false and misleading stories and adds.
Trump has threatened to pull the broadcast license of news outlets who broadcast stories he does not like. Trump is a dictator at heart and openly admires other dictators. Trump is head of the executive branch and can direct the head of the FCC to pull the license if he refuses, he can replace him.
“Trump Threatens NBC’s Broadcast License After Critical Story”
Source Los Angeles Times
Don’t you hate it when the facts prove you wrong?
See above he has done exactly that. That won’t be necessary there are pages of stories about Trump threatening to pull the license of news stations.
I think you completely missed the point the press is reporting the news.
The press has no obligation to report that Trump made the honor role in the sixth grade either but we will never as Trump’s lawyer threatened the schools to make sure they never release his grades or SAT scores.
I keep repeating the same BS because those are facts. Lies change but the truth remains true. Money is used to establish a value and that is exactly what is going on here. You may think you proved me wrong but that is all in your head.
If I owed $10,000 in taxes and the government gives me a deal and says I no longer owe $10,000 it is the same as giving me $10,000.
If Amazon owes $3 billion in taxes that is a liability if the city writes that $3 billion off that is a gift of $3 billion. The $3 billion was the incentive for Amazon to build in New York. Many cities participated in an effective auction for the Amazon headquarters the $3 billion was the high bid. I guarantee you Bezos counted every dollar in each deal in choosing a site.
If I went to a car dealer to purchase a $30,000 car and the dealer said forget about you don’t have to pay for it, I am $30,000 better off. The same Bezos is $3 billion better off.
I am not going to put a lot of time in trying to learn to navigate a new site.
I understand how Bezos fleeced Huntington. If a businessman had approached the city in the 1950s and told them they wanted the city to buy all their computers and monitors and all of their office equipment they would have been thrown out of city hall. And told that this is a capitalist city and there is no welfare for the rich here.
Two of the greatest fortunes in America today were made by fleecing the government.
Wal Mart is subsidized today to the tune of $37 million per store
but they are a johnnie come lately to huge tax payer subsidies, but they made their fortune on low wage employees.
They could not afford a place to live so taxpayers paid for them a place to live, they did not make enough to feed their families, so taxpayers paid for that. Basically, the taxpayers subsidized Wal Mart’s labor force so that they made billions.
That is easy you find the number of Canadian coming to America for healthcare and divide that number by the total population of Canada. The percentage of Americans going abroad for healthcare is 0.42%. Percentage wise nearly 3 times as many Americans go abroad for healthcare.
Nobody has ever said that the DNC told any lies. DNC is a commission and is not capable of telling lies. There would have to be a spokesman and he would have to be named.
I watched Cohen’s testimony and he was extremely creditable. Cohen will have to spend three years in prison for his previous lies. There is no way Cohen would tell another lie and end up in prison for lying again so he is likely to be the most truthful witness that congress ever questioned. Trump lies and lies an lies some more while the DNC is just a committee.
A thousand-dollar phone is a lot to place in the hand of a small child. It can be left behind or stolen by another child. I drowned one phone in the fish pond and lost another at the hospital that fell out of my pocket.
It makes the point that on any supply and demand curve that there is a price were demand collapses.
Can’t you count? Medicare pays, Blue Cross pays and I pay. That is three anyway you count it.
Even with your definition there is no capitalism.
Health insurance has been going up far faster than inflation for the last 50 years.
That is pricing many people out of health insurance once they are priced out the continue to get healthcare and cost is shifted to those who can pay like insurance companies.
Obama’s idea was to have a public option that would eliminate the insurance companies.
The Republicans got in bed with big insurance. If Obama had got what he proposed there would not be any health insurance companies in America today. The GOP had everything to do with eliminating the public option.
The most popular provisions of Obamacare, raising the lifetime limit, and insuring children up to 26 on their parent’s policy are not free.
If premature baby’s bill is two million instead of one million it will cost more. There are more complaints about private health insurance than most other things.
A real health insurance policy has been over $20,000 for ten years. I don’t know what you had but it wasn’t real health insurance.
Before Obamacare preexisting conditions were not covered.
It locked you into a job. If you left and went to another job and you had a heart condition.
Do you understand health insurance was going up whether Obamacare was there or not?
A search does the same thing and provides you with much more subject material.
