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The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

 
 
Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 26 Feb, 2019 10:51 am
@Zardoz,
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That was just one Nazi driving the car, but you can bet others egged him on and you know there were others armed to kill 30 to 40 people each.

1 person committed a horrible crime. As for the people armed to kill people, you are experiencing transference again. You seem to be the one with violent tendencies.

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Groups founded on hate have only one reason to exist, to spread hate as far as possible.

Most left-wing groups are founded on hate. Antifa, Socialism and Communism are all founded on hate of success, their only aim is as you said before "kill the rich".

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He got caught because he was using his work computer to find the addresses of his victims.

Good to know the FBI is doing their jobs.

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I am just telling you what history says will happen. At no point did I say I was going to participate.

Wishing for the death of people just because they have been successful, is just as bad as killing them, your words will lead to violence.

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The revolution in America is still a few decades off, the ungodly greedy will continue to steal in $2 trillion chunks.

No one is stealing anything, people are successful and should be allowed to keep the money they EARNED.

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That is as inevitable as the sun coming up tomorrow. The ungodly greedy can’t overcome their greed even if they had all the wealth they would want more.

Success breeds more success. Why are you so angry at people who have done way better in life than you have? They made good choices and you made bad choices, that's no reason to wish for their deaths and for the stealing of their money.

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Terrorists and Nazis have exactly the same mind set they believe killing is the way to achieve their political goals. But the Nazis have an advantage, President pussy grabber thinks they are “very fine people.”


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One of the primary concepts of socialism is a central planner that controls supply and paying farmers not to grow crops on their land accomplishes that goal.

Except it doesn't work the way you want it to work.

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When you give Wal Mart $37 million that is going in one door and out the other as profit. It was a taxpayer gift of $37 million to some of richest people in the world.

It didn't happen, you have failed to provide the proof that it did.

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Just because they have archives for a few papers does not mean they have them for all newspapers we are about 20 years behind here. They probably don’t have the micro fish done for the last 5 years.

Keep making excuses for your laziness and inability to back a majority of what you claim.

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They did not give many details of the guaranteed wage programs. I suspect if the locations became public that it would set off a major migration.
“California City Fights Poverty with Guaranteed Income”
Source: Reuters

Stockton CA, and it's a **** hole city. I'm sure people would move there for free money, they won't work anyways and will demand more free money when they realize it won't cover what they need. Lazy people do not deserve free handouts.

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There countries can’t help them because all the wealth of those banana republics are in the hands of a few ungodly greedy.

You are correct, but the money is in the hands of the lazy and greedy Socialists and that is why people suffer.

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The US military put most of the corrupt dictators in power.

No they didn't, more lies told by the Socialists.

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That is what you do with history. You think it is written in disappearing ink and you can just rewrite it.

Sorry, but it's the left that is trying to rewrite history.

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Antarctica and other harsh environments, people don’t live there year-round they are rotated.

People live there year round, there is always humans on Antarctica, rotation or not. Your reply is weak.

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It was caused by the high tides and the highest tides are far worse. It means some of the cities in America are now below high tide.

High tides and lots of rain... cause the streets to flood. If the problem was as you described, the issue would happen with every high tide and it doesn't.

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A small town in Texas who don’t want any part of Trump’s wall. McAllen Texas

Good for them, cities don't set or enforce National Security issues, the Federal system is supreme in this case. The SCOTUS will end up siding with Trump as National Security is one of his job concerns.

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I was on the other end of that equation I often served as a prosecutor in my cases.

No you didn't, you might have been the lead witness, but you weren't the prosecutor. You sure do like to blow a lot of smoke about the importance of your job...

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Trump’s initial Muslim ban was overturned by the courts on more than one occasion. What finally reached the supreme court had been drastically modified from the original.

It was overturned by bias courts who pretty much admitted they didn't like Trump. There was no "drasctically" changed order, it was pretty much the same order the leftists courts overturned. The SCOTUS declared that those types of orders were well within the power of the President and Executive Branch.

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The supreme court decision stated Abortion is legal in the United States that is all the writing you need.

The Constitution says guns are legal, that's all the writing you need.

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Of all the government programs only one has a $2.93 trillion trust fund and a guaranteed income for life. Contrast that with the Federal Government $21 trillion deficit which do you think will go out of business first?

You can't mean this as a serious question. Do you think the Federal govt would "go out of business" and leave Social Security untouched? For someone who claims to have worked for govt, you don't seem to understand how it works.

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Let take your social security money and bet it on a roulette wheel you have 7 black.

If the stock market is good for the wealthy to make money, why isn't it ok for the regular folks to do the same?

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Sorry you lose and I do mean lose but don’t worry someone won. It is against all common sense to believe that something with continual income can go broke.

It's the pay ratios that make SS viable, it's running out of money because we are way below the needed pay ratio's to make it work in the long term. The baby boomers are going to bleed SS dry.

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That is literally impossible, but Wall Street is full of Bernie Madoff types who can’t wait to get their hands on your money. There is absolutely nothing broken about a government program that has a surplus of $2.93 trillion in a program that was designed as a pay as you go program.


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Any health insurance company can do business in any state as long as they don’t sell junk insurance.

The "junk insurance" term came about after it was found out that Obama lied about the ACA and keeping your plan and doctor.

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There is no problem with car insurance companies or fire insurance companies doing business in every state. Why just health insurance companies?

Neither of those types of insurance have Federal govt controls on them.

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Junk health insurance.

The lie that was coined after Obama lied to people and they started loosing their insurance they liked. Obama told them if they liked their plan they could keep it.







Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 26 Feb, 2019 12:50 pm
@Zardoz,
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The United States did train death squads for south American dictators.

They weren't trained as "death squads", they were trained to fight against the Communist "revolutionaries" who were being supported by the USSR.

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You know so very little of what goes on in the world. There is always a carrot and the stick.

That's where you are wrong. Did you hear about the Yellow Vest protests that have been taking place in France since mid-Nov?

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If the republicans remain in control long enough, they will kill the first amendment.

That's pretty funny, it's actually the left who is going after the 1st Amendment, they don't like free speech and they don't like religion.

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Trump thinks the press has one reason to exist and that is to be his personal PR department.

You aren't watching the same news I am, the MSM hates Trump and they do everything in their power to make sure he has nothing but negative press. They didn't even bother reporting on the new trade deal with Mexico and Canada.

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Trump is already looking at pulling the license from any news outlet that criticizes him.

You mean the press pass to the WH for people, not outlets.

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The government has ruined the retail sector with subsidies. Walmart and Amazon receive 100s of million of dollars in subsidies each year. While others that are not heavily subsidized go out of business. You can’t compete with a business that gets $3 billion subsidy at just one location.

You are either ignorant of how such things works or you are being purposefully misleading.

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There are now several tax increment financing projects in WV but the downtown TIF was the first and encompasses all of the downtown commercial property. That was a 100-year 0ld rental property that had property taxes raised by $400 a year. It only lacked 10 blocks of being in the TIF district and then the property tax would not have been raised.


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There was an absolute ground swell of opposition for Amazon’s New York HQ. Just as with the TIF district when $3 billion in taxes is cut from one it has to be added to everyone else’s taxes. There is no such thing as a free lunch somebody has to pay. That opposition did not begin with the congresswoman she just road the tidal wave of opposition.

More lies about the Amazon deal. They didn't lose $3 billion in taxes, the city actually lost closer to $7 billion per year. That's what happens with Socialists lie about what a business does.

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New York had to control rents because they were out of control. Trump is known to buy up rent controlled properties and run the tenets off so he can raise the rent.

Proof facts links?

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While the tax money is not given up front 2 years with no taxes amounts to the same thing. Tax right offs, sight development, free buildings and property, free computers and office equipment and all kinds of goodies we can’t even imagine. Here a solution let’s pretend this is capitalism and everybody pay their own way and the government stay out of it altogether.

More lies with no facts. Well you won't have facts about this one, because it's all lies.

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I checked the links out, but they did not go to any local paper.

Did you look for a local paper? I promise you that you didn't, can't have me proven correct.

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You try so hard to avoid the truth. I do not have access to the contracts with Amazon. Amazon is the business that government subsidies built. That was Bezos best talent was fleecing government. If Bezos took New York for $3 billion what do you think they could do to a small city in WV?

I've embraced the truth, it's you who keeps lying about the facts behind the deal. You can't prove anything you have said about Amazon.

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Amazon was going to get exactly that $3 billion it might not all be in cash, but it will be in goods and services.

Lies, lies and more lies.

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There is no difference between giving Bezos a check for $3 billion or cutting his taxes by $3 billion the result for taxpayers is the same. Why not give everyone that wants to start a business $3 billion?

That isn't how it works and there is no way for you to twist the facts to fit this lie.

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Rick Wilson was never in the Whitehouse he opposed Trump from the primaries. He was one of the never Trump people from the beginning.

Never heard of him. Did you read the book?

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I read about the huge subsidies for Mercedes plant long before the dirt was even turned. If I give you $300 million in goods, services and tax breaks that is not a subsidy and there something else it isn’t it isn’t capitalism.

Who says it isn't capitalism? 20 years later, I wonder how it all turned out.
$250 million in incentives turned into $6 billion in investment in the county in the last 25 years. It also caused other auto companies to open plants in the state. How many jobs have been brought to AL in the last 25 years?
https://www.tuscaloosanews.com/news/20180930/mercedes-decided-25-years-ago-to-build-in-alabama-fueling-economy

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It gave the exact numbers and we know far more people go out of America looking for health care than Canadians coming here.

As a percentage of their total population? If Canada's system is so great, why do people come to the US for healthcare?

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The impeachment was for lying about his sex life period. I still have the news papers about the impeachment.

The media lies all the time, they lie to protect people like Bill Clinton. You should go back over those papers and actually read about what happened, it was about far more than a BJ.

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Trump is about to be the first of course there are about 400 other reasons also.

Not even close.

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If you produce a product now one can afford to buy no one will buy it. When a supply and demand curve is established for a product there will be a point where price wipes out demand.

You sure about that? The price of cell phones keeps going up and people keep buying them. Apple which makes the most expensive phone, still have people lining up outside their stores days before a new product goes on sale.

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There are now cases where there are three payers for medical services in some cases. Medicare pays the doctor, then a medical insurance pays the doctor and then the patient pays the doctor.

That isn't how it works and you know it.

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What do you think happens when there are three payers? This is not capitalism.

I'm beginning to think you don't have the faintest clue as to how a capitalist system works. You have some imaginary system in your head created by Communists.

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Double billing? We are talking about triple billing which is done every day all day long. Nothing illegal about it. This encourages higher prices.

More lies. The Doctor does not send out 3 separate bills to 3 separate groups to pay 3 different times for the same 1 visit.

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If you have more than one person paying for a service, the law of supply and demand will not work.

You don't understand how it works, that's ok, it's why you prefer socialism.

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The problem now is that the vast majority cannot pay for the high price of medical services.

Yes, the ACA has made this worse for the average American. The great lie of the ACA continues. Now that the ACA has broken the system more, which was the plan from the start, the leftists can start screaming about how socialized medical care again. Socialism never creates, it only destroys.

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Searches provide many other leads.

I provide links based on the searches I do. It's how research works...

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You may know when inflation took place, but you need to know how inflation is calculated and realize that true inflation is far higher then what is reported and that is being used to rob the middle class.

More smoke and mirrors that I'll prove wrong?

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What that shows is that true inflation is far higher than reported. In the 50s and 60s a single bread winner could provide a comfortable standard of living.

We live in a much different world now then we did 50 or 60 years ago, the price of everything is higher. Some of it is inflation, the other aspect is the actual cost of items, not to mention the tech improvements. A desktop computer costs about the same now as it did back in the mid-90's.

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The Korean war has not been a shooting war in nearly 70 years.

It doesn't matter, we never had a peace agreement and we still have troops on the ground in South Korea. Maybe we will get a real Peace agreement while Trump is meeting with Kim in Vietnam. It's more than Obama was able to do.

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There was much more than pot smoking. He claimed he was going to privatize the company sending the stock into a tail spin. In interviews it was vey evident he was close to nervous breakdown. I have seen Einstein interviewed before and he would appear extremely sane compared to Musk.

Once again, you don't know what you are talking about. Elon is a player, he's working the system. How old are you, Einstein died in 1955, he's been dead for about 60 years...

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Musk should have been able to put the payload on the surface.

That wasn't the aim for their first launch to Mars.

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You are always going to have to have shuttle service into outer space long after we develop interplanetary spacecraft.

What has that got to do with Obama handing our space program over to the Russians? For them being our enemies, he sure had no problem making the US space program hitch a ride on Russian rockets. Tell me again, who was the, "I'll have more flexibility after the election", Russian lackey?

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The shuttle program shut itself down the shuttles were no longer safe.

We should have been developing a new space program, instead Obama wasted NASA money on "Muslim outreach" instead of on the space program. Obama and Hillary were the real Russian lackeys.

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The development and planning for the next generation would have had to started years before Obama took office. It would take at least ten years in planning and development.

Wrong. Obama knew when he came into office that the program was in trouble and he did nothing about it. He was fine with America no longer being a leader in space and forced the US to get rides from the Russians.

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We bought several German scientist over here after the war to take advantage of what they knew.

That's what I said, why repeat what I said.









hightor
 
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Reply Tue 26 Feb, 2019 01:47 pm
@Baldimo,
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The lie that was coined after Obama lied to people and they started loosing their insurance they liked.

It wasn't a "lie"; the plans weren't any good.
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Obama told them if they liked their plan they could keep it.

If it covered the ten essential health benefits they could keep their policies. The butt-hurt buffoons (future Trump voters) who bitched hadn't made claims on the policies and didn't realize that their plans were garbage because all they cared about was a low monthly premium.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 26 Feb, 2019 01:55 pm
@hightor,
Wrong. Barack Obama forced people off from extremely good insurance plans -- plans that were far better than anything offered on the Obamacare exchanges.

These leftist attempts to whitewash Obama's lies only makes it clear what a horrible liar Obama was.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 26 Feb, 2019 02:21 pm
@hightor,
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It wasn't a "lie"; the plans weren't any good.

We have lots and lots of video of Obama saying "If you like your plan you can keep it." We have no video of his saying you can keep it unless it's junk insurance. That's the lie that was told when people found out they couldn't keep the plans they liked.

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If it covered the ten essential health benefits they could keep their policies. The butt-hurt buffoons (future Trump voters) who bitched hadn't made claims on the policies and didn't realize that their plans were garbage because all they cared about was a low monthly premium.

More lies,he never gave the "caveat" about "bad insurance". Once again that is the lie told when people started losing the insurance plans they liked.

Obama and his admin open faced lied to the American people about their insurance programs. I guess you have forgotten about Jonathan Gruber, who came out in 2014 and mentioned how the American people were stupid for passing the ACA, he knew they had to lie about the ACA.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/223578-obamacare-architect-lack-of-transparency-helped-law-pass
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 26 Feb, 2019 02:28 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
That's the lie that was told when people found out they couldn't keep the plans they liked.
Indeed. And you are correct to characterize that as an additional lie, because Obama was actually forcing people off from very good health insurance plans. There was nothing even remotely junky about those insurance plans.

Obama is a serial liar. It is always lies on top of lies on top of more lies with him.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 26 Feb, 2019 11:34 pm
@Baldimo,
America has only one “news” channel designed and operated by political operatives. Sean Hannity unofficially “worked” on Trump’s campaign. Hannity used his show to attack Trump’s political enemies during the primaries. Hannity calls Trump daily to give him advice. This passes for “news” for the right.
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Does Fox News ring a bell? Hannity is on a so called “news” station. The purpose of news stations is to report the news. The purpose of Fox News is to spread propaganda. Hannity is on at 9 PM. NBC has “World of Dance” on during that time period.
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An ice burg the size of New York city, 638 square miles, is in the process of breaking off of Antarctica currently. What do you think will happen to America’s coastal cities?
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When ice burgs the size of New York City break off that have been there thousands of years it should remove all doubt. There is so little ice at the north pole that polar bears have invaded Russian towns in packs of 30 or more eating out of garbage dumps. The polar vortex was split by winds that were a 125-degrees warmer pushing the vortex down over America. The National Snow and Ice Data Center state that in January of 2019 that there is 332,000 square miles less of sea ice than the average between 1981 – 2010.
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Core samples are usually done at poles through the ice. Core samples in the desert will not tell you much about climate or will core samples through a rock. Climates are localized so a nice climate where the core samples is taken will not tell you much about a harsh desert thousands of miles away.
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“Hottest Years on Record Globally”
Source: Climate Central
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There are many sources that agree that the 97% figure is correct. The hit job done by your source was no doubt funded with mega bucks from big coal and big gas. As there where 10,000 people dying with lung cancer caused by smoking the big tobacco companies were still having “scientist” writing papers that cigarette smoking simply could not cause lung cancer and because that happened it was 40 years later before people stopped smoking because it was now accepted that cigarette smoking caused lung cancer.
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Do you not understand those Russians live in Trump tower just one floor below Trump? Trump was in business with Russian mobsters. The Russian mobsters gambling operation was busted by the FBI in Trump Tower. All these Russian mafia have been under investigation for years. FBI investigations tie Trump to a Russian stake. One of Trump’s lackies tried to threaten Cohen to try and keep him from detailing Trump’s crimes while in office. The books just detail all the FBI investigations. According to Trump the FBI is a joke but that is the attitude of all the other criminals until they are locked up.
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You have no idea what you don’t know about Manafort’s work for the Russians no doubt he was being paid by the Russians to work Trump’s campaign. That is not all he was busted for like everyone associated with Trump he was exceeding the speed for lies told in a minute.
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There is more partisan politics now than ever in Washington all the Republicans are scared to death of Trump they are afraid the Russian mafia will go after them and their families. We have already seen Trump publicly threaten people. The congressman’s tweet threatening Cohen looks just like Trump’s tweets trying to intimidate a witness. What is that called?
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They have one thing in common they are both laws. What you want to do is say if somebody committed a crime that opens up so that Trump can commit any number of crimes and not be punished. It should be wide open Trump should be made king for life and the constitution eliminated.
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That is a deleted email anyway you look at it. If anyone deletes an email, they should spend ten years in prison.
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That is a fact. Do you know how I know it is a fact? It was not reported on Fox News and you can count on Fox News not to report facts. The FBI recovered all her emails except for her private emails that she deleted.
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Nothing’s changed the Russians have in the past penetrated government servers.
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If you want to make an argument for unfair taxes, you can’t say that group that has 92% of the income and is only paying 58% of the taxes when they should pay 92% of the taxes. Nobody is going to hold a pity party for people that are underpaying their taxes by 34%. You can’t get it through your head that income has something to do with income tax. Income can never be separated from how much income tax you pay.
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Money inherited is income and should be treated as such besides you have nothing to worry about unless you inherit over $5 million. It is the ungodly greedy that are complaining.
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There is difference between GNP and GDP. GDP is a more accurate measurement measuring total economic output. I think you are confusing the two.
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I am retired do you think I am counted as unemployed. If I were disabled do you think that would be unemployed. How about if my wife worked and I decided not to? There is no way to accurately measure unemployment, so they settle for using those actively seeking a job. I have heard that explanation a 100-times because they do actually measure real unemployment which is typically 5% higher than the public unemployment figure and is used to determine the amount of government aid to the area.
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Unemployment has been figured in the exact same way for decades nothing changed under Obama unlike how inflation was figured under Reagan.
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You know so little about how unemployment figure is arrived at. You been watching too much Fox News or are you getting your propaganda second hand?
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Trump is radically increasing the defense spending at the same time he is pulling troops out of Syria. The Republicans were responsible for what they call Project for a New American Century “We are going to take out Seven Countries in 5 Years: Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran.”
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So, it was alright for the previous two secretaries of state, but it was wrong for Clinton. She turned over the vast majority of emails except for her private emails. Let’s call that the Hillary law it is alright for others but not for her.
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If you would just watch the news occasionally you would have an idea what was going on in the real world. If you continue to live in a world of propaganda you will never have a clue as to what is going on in the real world. Once a battleship is attacked, they take all sorts of defensive actions. Decoys are common when someone is stealing information because the decoys can be fed all kinds of false information that is traceable. By the time Trump was committing treason and calling a foreign power to attack America we were loaded for ‘bear.”
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I have read how the FBI uncovered the Russian attack and the steps they took to counter the Russian military attack. I have read the reports on the Russian general that directed the attacks. I don’t what you read but the FBI is not going to give you all the counter measures they took to fend off the Trump directed Russian cyberattack.
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When administrative employees are fired it is all about politics. Trump is a major criminal and he had to eliminate anyone that would investigate him. By firing people, he hopes to intimidate anyone from investigating him. If Comey had pledged loyalty to Trump as Trump did everything in his power to make him do Comey would have his job all he had to do was look the other way while Trump and the Russians cleaned out America just like they did Russia. Trump had to eliminate all the honest people he could and intimidate the rest. Even Trump has never said Comey did anything illegal and Comey has never been charged with a crime. I have sat through hundreds of exit interviews. Even labor consultants tell employers that want to fire someone for a reason that is not legal to look for some other reason to fire them.
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Trump makes Al Capone look like a saint.
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There is absolutely no such thing as a deep state, it is a figment of your imagination a diet of propaganda is hazardous to your mental health.
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Neither liberal or leftists just professionals who know what they are talking about. The psychiatrists have a duty to warn the public about a clear and present danger.
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The 25 amendment came about because we had a president that was completely incapacitated, and his wife was running the country and they hid it. When it is obvious that we have a mentally ill criminal running the White house the 25th amendment should be invoked, and the Russian loving deadbeat be removed. Do you think if we had a president who had a nervous breakdown and decided to end it all by starting a nuclear war that he could not be removed by the 25 amendment?
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Just another Republican lie. The congresswoman claims a foreign power has all 30,000 of Clinton’s emails.
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Wrong Steele was working for a Republican during the primary the report was paid for by Republicans wanting dirt on Trump. After Trump won the primary the report was marketed to the democrats, but a Republican paid for the report.
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There is absolutely no such thing as a DNC backed source you must be thinking about Fox News started by a Republican political operative. You just get offended anytime facts that show that Trump’s criminal activities. You think all the other media should be censored by Trump and his Russian cronies. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
You have to understand that Hillary was in process of running for president a lot of her email would be confidential that she would not want other government employees to have access to. Funny the rules were changed just for her.
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Again, we have special rules for Clinton it was alright for others but not her.
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You might not know but people in America move frequently there is no law against moving and as our climate gets worse more people will have no choice but to move.
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There was not anything untrustworthy about her. Her sin was that she was going to try and fix medical care and the ungodly greedy targeted her early on because they were afraid their taxes might go up. Fox news spent millions trying to ruin her reputation. We have somebody that wanted to make sure children had access to health care running against someone that wanted to give the ungodly greedy another trillion-dollar tax cuts. Which would be moral?
hightor
 
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Reply Wed 27 Feb, 2019 03:45 am
@Baldimo,
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We have lots and lots of video of Obama saying "If you like your plan you can keep it."

The logical explanation is that he was told to say this by the people who were designing the new system. Obama didn't write the law himself. It slowly emerged that the grandfathering clause was simply too complicated to work. And it was assumed that people wanted decent plans with adequate coverage. Who would have thought that people "liked" their garbage plans? See, the butt-hurt buffoons who subsequently voted for Trump hadn't emerged as a recognizable constituency at that point in time. Only buffoons would prefer a plan which was foisted on them by telemarketing conmen:
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It might seem to be health insurance, if you don’t look too closely, and most people don’t. The premiums are surprisingly affordable. And so millions of unemployed people, service industry workers, and those taken in by fast-talking telemarketers sign up. They may think they’re insured—until they have a medical problem and find out that their coverage is as skimpy as a hospital gown

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At least he didn't say that Mexico would pay for our health insurance.
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I guess you have forgotten about Jonathan Gruber...

I guess you have as well:
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On Tuesday, Gruber said he only meant that much of ObamaCare's financing was done through the tax code, calling that more "politically palatable" than other means.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 27 Feb, 2019 10:24 am
@hightor,
Repeating Obama's incessant lying only shows how much of a liar Obama is.

Obama forced people off from extremely good health insurance plans -- plans that were far better than anything he ever offered on the health insurance exchanges.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 27 Feb, 2019 11:11 am
@Zardoz,
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America has only one “news” channel designed and operated by political operatives.

Is this a joke? Every news channel is run by political operatives, do I need to remind you about Hillary Clinton getting the CNN debate questions ahead of the debate?

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Sean Hannity unofficially “worked” on Trump’s campaign. Hannity used his show to attack Trump’s political enemies during the primaries.

Do you really think Fox News had that big of an impact on people who would have voted for Clinton? CNN did the same thing for Hillary against Bernie. In fact the emails that were hacked from Podesta, confirmed that CNN was working for Hillary and the DNC.

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Hannity calls Trump daily to give him advice. This passes for “news” for the right.

No it doesn't, Hannity isn't a journalist, he's a commentator.

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Does Fox News ring a bell? Hannity is on a so called “news” station. The purpose of news stations is to report the news. The purpose of Fox News is to spread propaganda. Hannity is on at 9 PM. NBC has “World of Dance” on during that time period.

News commentary isn't the same as news, none of the channels do news during prime-time, it's all commentary.

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An ice burg the size of New York city, 638 square miles, is in the process of breaking off of Antarctica currently. What do you think will happen to America’s coastal cities?

Nothing, fear tactics to dupe the American people into giving up their way of life.

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When ice burgs the size of New York City break off that have been there thousands of years it should remove all doubt.

We do not live in a static environment, glaciers once covered the entire of North America.

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There is so little ice at the north pole that polar bears have invaded Russian towns in packs of 30 or more eating out of garbage dumps.

Did you also read that it is illegal to kill Polar Bears in Russia, so there is an over population problem... but yeah, lets blame global warming, I mean climate change...

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“Hottest Years on Record Globally”
Source: Climate Central

Nothing bias about that source...

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There are many sources that agree that the 97% figure is correct. The hit job done by your source was no doubt funded with mega bucks from big coal and big gas.

No, the figure isn't correct, it's a lie. The source was Forbes, your weakness in refuting facts is more and more apparent with every post.

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You have no idea what you don’t know about Manafort’s work for the Russians no doubt he was being paid by the Russians to work Trump’s campaign.

Manafort's work was done for the Ukrainian govt, not the Russians, they might have been pro-Russian, but I haven't seen anything with Manafort and the Russians. Know who else had deep ties to Ukraine? The Clintons...

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There is more partisan politics now than ever in Washington all the Republicans are scared to death of Trump they are afraid the Russian mafia will go after them and their families.

You have got to tell me where you are getting this comedy material, you could do well on a college campus with this weak crap.

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We have already seen Trump publicly threaten people. The congressman’s tweet threatening Cohen looks just like Trump’s tweets trying to intimidate a witness. What is that called?

A nothing burger, just like the Mueller investigation. Did you see the DNC is already playing defense and threatening to have Mueller dragged into Congress to testify and answer for his lack of findings. The DNC is scared they are going to be exposed for the lies and crooks they are.

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They have one thing in common they are both laws.

Which laws are you talking about?

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That is a deleted email anyway you look at it. If anyone deletes an email, they should spend ten years in prison.

That's the best you got? Continued weakness when you are beat.

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That is a fact. Do you know how I know it is a fact? It was not reported on Fox News and you can count on Fox News not to report facts. The FBI recovered all her emails except for her private emails that she deleted.

The FBI should have never had to recover her emails, they should have been turned over, period. She broke the law in a major way, but you and the other leftists continue to cover for her. I can promise you, the Russians and Chinese had access to her emails long before Trump ever said anything, they had access while she was Sec of State. It's the reason they deleted the emails and used Bleach Bit on it, remove all evidence of hacking.

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Nothing’s changed the Russians have in the past penetrated government servers.

So what did Obama do to protect our sesitive information? It appears he did nothing and the Russians had access to our Sec of State email system, which wasn't hidden behind govt security.

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If you want to make an argument for unfair taxes, you can’t say that group that has 92% of the income and is only paying 58% of the taxes when they should pay 92% of the taxes.

Except that isn't how our system works, you don't pay taxes on the amount of wealth or income you have over other people. Can you prove that's how our system actually works? Nope, you can't. You are using the language of greed to make the stupid people think someone is taking from them. That isn't the case.

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Money inherited is income and should be treated as such besides you have nothing to worry about unless you inherit over $5 million. It is the ungodly greedy that are complaining.

It shouldn't be seen as income, it's more of a gift. The greedy are people like you who think they deserve a piece of someone else's pie.

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There is difference between GNP and GDP. GDP is a more accurate measurement measuring total economic output. I think you are confusing the two.

Sorry, it's you who has them confused. I've provided facts to back what I have said, you provide nothing.

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I am retired do you think I am counted as unemployed.

No, you are likely listed as retired and wouldn't count.

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There is no way to accurately measure unemployment, so they settle for using those actively seeking a job.

That's a lie. They can tell who is and isn't working based on payroll submissions. How do you think they know how many people are actually working, ever heard of ADP?

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Unemployment has been figured in the exact same way for decades nothing changed under Obama unlike how inflation was figured under Reagan.

The only thing that changed under Obama is how the media reported the numbers for him. They would report that unemployment was down but didn't mention that people were actually falling off the employment rolls because they had run out of unemployment coverage.

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Trump is radically increasing the defense spending at the same time he is pulling troops out of Syria.

What's your point? The Military is actually one of the govt functions they are suppose to take care of. Not sure what Syria has to do with military funding though.

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The Republicans were responsible for what they call Project for a New American Century “We are going to take out Seven Countries in 5 Years: Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran.”

Fact's proof links? Facts tell us that Obama was the one who moved into a majority of those countries with military power. When Bush left office, we were only in Afghanistan and Iraq, when Obama left office, we were bombing an additional 5 countries. So Obama who received a Peace Prize bombed more counties than Bush did, those are facts.

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So, it was alright for the previous two secretaries of state, but it was wrong for Clinton.

How thick is your head? Do you know the difference between a private email account and a private email server?

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She turned over the vast majority of emails except for her private emails. Let’s call that the Hillary law it is alright for others but not for her.

No she didn't, stop lying. She wasn't suppose to delete anything, she was suppose to turn over all emails and the govt would decide what was a private email and what was a govt email. She agreed to that when she took the post.

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When administrative employees are fired it is all about politics.

That is your personal opinion after working for govt all your life.

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Trump is a major criminal and he had to eliminate anyone that would investigate him. By firing people, he hopes to intimidate anyone from investigating him.

That's not how it works, if you wanted people to not go against you, you can always kill them like the Clintons do. What's the Clinton body count up to now a days?

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If Comey had pledged loyalty to Trump as Trump did everything in his power to make him do Comey would have his job all he had to do was look the other way while Trump and the Russians cleaned out America just like they did Russia.

You have one hell of an imagination, you should write this down and sell it to Hollywood.

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Even Trump has never said Comey did anything illegal and Comey has never been charged with a crime. I have sat through hundreds of exit interviews. Even labor consultants tell employers that want to fire someone for a reason that is not legal to look for some other reason to fire them.

Comey lied to Congress and leaked info. He did break a few laws and his name will be popping up on an indictment soon.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/9/james-comey-lied-congress-donald-trump-says/

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There is absolutely no such thing as a deep state, it is a figment of your imagination a diet of propaganda is hazardous to your mental health.

It's as real as the nose on your face. It's being exposed and the coup attempt by the FBI proves it.

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Neither liberal or leftists just professionals who know what they are talking about. The psychiatrists have a duty to warn the public about a clear and present danger.

Leftist through and through. It is a violation to medical ethical standards to "diagnose" someone you have never talked to or worked with and we all know leftists have no ethical standards.

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The 25 amendment came about because we had a president that was completely incapacitated, and his wife was running the country and they hid it. When it is obvious that we have a mentally ill criminal running the White house the 25th amendment should be invoked, and the Russian loving deadbeat be removed.

You have just proven that the 25th Amendment wasn't written for the reasons the FBI wanted to run a coup for.

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Just another Republican lie. The congresswoman claims a foreign power has all 30,000 of Clinton’s emails.

Which congresswoman? I don't recall mentioning any names.

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Wrong Steele was working for a Republican during the primary the report was paid for by Republicans wanting dirt on Trump. After Trump won the primary the report was marketed to the democrats, but a Republican paid for the report.

Wrong wrong wrong, lies lies lies. Do you have any proof for what you are claiming? Fusion GPS worked for the DNC, Bruce Ohn, the FBI agent reporting on the investigation, was married to a key player at Fusion GPS, there is zero connection to the GOP, it's all DNC, Hillary and the Deep State.
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/425739-fisa-shocker-doj-official-warned-steele-dossier-was-connected-to-clinton

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There is absolutely no such thing as a DNC backed source you must be thinking about Fox News started by a Republican political operative.

Reality isn't in your wheelhouse is it?

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You have to understand that Hillary was in process of running for president a lot of her email would be confidential that she would not want other government employees to have access to.

She doesn't get to violate the law because she was running for President. She did not have the power to make that call, she was to follow the rules on deleteing emails. If she was afraid of her personal emails being read by other govt employees, then she shouldn't have mixed her personal and business email accounts on a private server. She should have used her govt issued email account for govt business.

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Funny the rules were changed just for her.

The rules weren't changed for her, the State dept got tired of people using private email accounts when all govt emails are a matter of govt record. It was to ensure that they didn't have important missing records.

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Again, we have special rules for Clinton it was alright for others but not her.

Clinton was the one who thought the rules didn't apply to her, she set up an illegal private email server, which is far different than using a Yahoo email account like past Sec of State did.

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You might not know but people in America move frequently there is no law against moving and as our climate gets worse more people will have no choice but to move.

This is a total throw away comment with zero meaning. Like a majority of what you write.

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There was not anything untrustworthy about her. Her sin was that she was going to try and fix medical care and the ungodly greedy targeted her early on because they were afraid their taxes might go up.

Hillary was one of the least trust worthy people in politics. She lied so many times about such stupid things. When her email became a thing, she lied about how many cell phones she had, until she was caught in a picture with 2 separate cell phones, part of this went right to the heart of her email issues, she thought everyone was stupid and would believe her, I guess you fall into the category. The lies never stopped.

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Fox news spent millions trying to ruin her reputation. We have somebody that wanted to make sure children had access to health care running against someone that wanted to give the ungodly greedy another trillion-dollar tax cuts. Which would be moral?

Fox news did nothing to her reputation, she didn't have much of one except with the stupid people in our population. She had you all fooled, she didn't care about the kids, she cared about power. She'd say and do anything to get elected, her moral compass spins in circles.













Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 27 Feb, 2019 11:29 am
@hightor,
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The logical explanation is that he was told to say this by the people who were designing the new system.

So he lied because he was told to? Admit it, he lied.

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It slowly emerged that the grandfathering clause was simply too complicated to work.

That isn't the case at all, they never had any intentions of people keeping the plans they liked and he lied about it for about 3 years, until the ACA went into effect and people saw the lie with their own eyes and pocket books.

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And it was assumed that people wanted decent plans with adequate coverage.

No it wasn't. People were told they could keep their plans if they liked them.

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Who would have thought that people "liked" their garbage plans?

There was never any mention of "garbage plans" in the 3 years Obama was saying "You can keep your plan if you like you plan."

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See, the butt-hurt buffoons who subsequently voted for Trump hadn't emerged as a recognizable constituency at that point in time.

Really, is that your story? Tea Party anyone? What happened to Congress in 2010, Senate in 2012? How many DNC politicians didn't run for re-election after the ACA passed? You wouldn't have noticed because the media didn't make a deal of it. Why do you think there were so few incumbents running and Tea Party people winning?

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Only buffoons would prefer a plan which was foisted on them by telemarketing conmen:

Obama lied to the American people and then pulled a bait and switch with the "garbage plans". If people liked those plans, Obama said they could keep them, he lied.

oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 27 Feb, 2019 11:33 am
@Baldimo,
Obama was lying when he said that he was only forcing people off from substandard plans.

He forced people off from very good health insurance plans.
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hightor
 
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Reply Wed 27 Feb, 2019 12:36 pm
@Baldimo,
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So he lied because he was told to? Admit it, he lied.

What would be the point of his continuing to consciously lie about something which would eventually have been exposed? Keeping your current plan and doctor was one of the basic promises when the ACA was first being developed, but it grew to become an impossibility. Sure, in the end you can say that "he lied" but you don't know what he was thinking at the time. Polifact said it was the "lie of the year". Okay. Politicians get wound up in these predicaments pretty often. They like catchy sound bites. Mexico will pay for the wall.
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No it wasn't.

So you mean that given the choice of a policy which would actually provide extended coverage and one which wouldn't pay out more than a few thousand they'd take the one with the shittiest coverage?
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“I was aware that it wasn’t a great plan, but I wasn’t concerned because I wasn’t sick,” she says. But in July 2011 she was diagnosed with breast cancer, at which point the policy’s annual limits of $1,000 a year for outpatient treatment and $2,000 for hospitalization became a huge problem. Facing a $30,000 hospital bill, she delayed treatment. “Finally my surgeon said, ‘Judy, you can’t wait anymore.’ While I was waiting my tumor became larger. It was 3 centimeters when they found it and 9 centimeters when they took it out.” After a double mastectomy, radiation treatments, and reconstructive surgery, Goss is taking the drug tamoxifen to prevent recurrence.

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There was never any mention of "garbage plans" in the 3 years Obama was saying "You can keep your plan if you like you plan."

No, that description wasn't used at first but the problem of inadequate insurance wasn't unknown. It's one of the things the ACA was developed to fix.
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Really, is that your story?

Tea Party doesn't equal MAGA just because both movements attract a similar grade of buffoon. TP was a movement of reaction and a minority within the Republican organization. Trumpism is something different, having elected a president and subsequently taken over the party .
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Obama lied to the American people and then pulled a bait and switch with the "garbage plans".

And Congress had several years to address problems in the ACA and instead just made fifty failed attempts to repeal it. But it should make you happy that garbage plans are legal again.

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(...)Many of the plans on the individual market are so bad that people who have them might as well be uninsured. “The only people who like those plans are people who have never needed them,” says Nancy Metcalf, a senior editor at Consumer Reports. “They haven’t figured out yet how terrible they are. They think they have good coverage but they don’t.”

A good example might be Dianne Barrette, 56, who appeared on CBS News with Jan Crawford last week for a segment about the wave of cancelations. Barrette, a realtor in Florida, was upset because her $54 a month insurance plan was being canceled. She believed a new one would cost her more than $500 a month due to Obamacare. “What I have right now is what I’m happy with,” she said. “I just want to know why I can’t keep what I have. Why do I have to be forced into something else?”

But here’s the rub: Barrette’s $54 plan wasn’t even insurance. When I talked to her, she was unsure of what her plan covered. But she said it was what Blue Cross calls a “supplemental” or discount plan, which only pays $50 toward doctor’s office visits and a few other out-patient services, including mammograms. What her plan doesn’t cover: hospitalization. Not at all. So if she gets hit by a car, the people ultimately picking up the tab will be the hospital and everyone else (by way of higher medical costs). If she gets cancer, she’s basically out of luck. “It’s all I could afford,” she told me.

(...)

Much of the recent media coverage treats the old junk plans as a national treasure, their loss a true scandal. Far from being a victim of Obamacare, Barrette should have been a story about someone who will benefit immensely from the Affordable Care Act. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation premium calculator, Barrette, who makes about $30,000 a year, is eligible for an annual tax credit of up to $3,967 a year, which could get her a silver plan on the exchange for $234 a month (in cost to her), or a bronze plan, with slightly higher out of pocket costs, for $97 a month. True, with the bronze plans, she’d be paying $43 a month more, but in return, she would have true protection and access to health care, not sham coverage. A bronze plan would replace her $50 doctor’s office discount with free preventive care services, including mammograms, cover hospitalization and other services, and cap her out of pocket costs at slightly more than $6,000 a year. Barrette should be cheering the death of her old plan.

The same is true of the other conservatives who’ve groused about losing a plan, including Malkin. As Metcalf points out, “If they’re having to cancel out a plan with a $10,000 deductible and end up with a plan with a $2,500 deductible, that’s a better plan, period.” Pollack says, “As people now get real protection, the premiums may be somewhat higher, but it’s a different product and you’re saving money on the back end. The Affordable Care Act eliminates lousy coverage, which ultimately saves cost for people when they receive care.”

Stephanie Mencimer
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 27 Feb, 2019 02:17 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
What would be the point of his continuing to consciously lie about something which would eventually have been exposed?
There's no point to it. It's just what the left always does. Lies on top of lies on top of more lies.

hightor wrote:
So you mean that given the choice of a policy which would actually provide extended coverage and one which wouldn't pay out more than a few thousand they'd take the one with the shittiest coverage?
Obama forced people off from very good plans that were far superior to anything that has ever been offered on the insurance exchanges.

Claims that these were substandard plans are just more of the left's endless pile of lies.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 27 Feb, 2019 02:33 pm
@hightor,
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The same is true of the other conservatives who've groused about losing a plan, including Malkin. As Metcalf points out, "If they’re having to cancel out a plan with a $10,000 deductible and end up with a plan with a $2,500 deductible, that’s a better plan, period."
My former plan had a $250 deductible, after which my insurance paid 100% of my bills.

With the best Obamacare plans, I only get 80% of my bills covered until I've paid $5,000 (a limit that rises every year, now up to $8,000).


There were no networks in my former insurance plan. I had complete coverage no matter where I went for treatment.

With the best Obamacare plans, I only get that 80% coverage if I stay within a provider network. If I need treatment that the insurance company decides is out of network (or if I'm given out of network treatment while I'm unconscious in an emergency room), I get stuck with most of the bill.


For some reason the left thinks that whenever they are caught lying, that means they need to lie some more.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 27 Feb, 2019 03:23 pm
@hightor,
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What would be the point of his continuing to consciously lie about something which would eventually have been exposed?

The point would be the MSM and leftist cover-up of his lies. Much like you have been doing for the last several posts.

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Keeping your current plan and doctor was one of the basic promises when the ACA was first being developed, but it grew to become an impossibility.

Then why did he keep lying for 3 years and telling people they could keep their plans? He could have said it for the first month or so, and then come clean with the truth. Instead he lied for an additional 2 1/2 years about keeping your plan.

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Sure, in the end you can say that "he lied" but you don't know what he was thinking at the time.

Does that matter? He lied to us for 3 years and then had the MSM step in to defend his lies.

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Polifact said it was the "lie of the year".

Yet here you are defending the lies with more lies and telling me I'm wrong, he didn't lie...

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Okay. Politicians get wound up in these predicaments pretty often. They like catchy sound bites. Mexico will pay for the wall.

That's the best you got? The ACA had an impact on every American, the wall had zero impact on the American public.

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So you mean that given the choice of a policy which would actually provide extended coverage and one which wouldn't pay out more than a few thousand they'd take the one with the shittiest coverage?

Is this the "defense" you are going to use to support Obama's lies, the bait and switch?

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No, that description wasn't used at first but the problem of inadequate insurance wasn't unknown.

It wasn't used at all until people started getting kicked off of their plans, then when they asked why, the 2nd round of lies started and are still pushed today.

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It's one of the things the ACA was developed to fix.

The ACA did nothing but cost people more on insurance costs. I had a premium that cost me about $200 a month, that cost has gone up 4x since the ACA was enacted. I also never got my $2500 check from my insurance company because they were screwing me over. Did you get a $2500 check from your insurance company? That was another lie told by Obama, everyone would be getting a check.

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Tea Party doesn't equal MAGA just because both movements attract a similar grade of buffoon.

I wasn't trying to say they were the same, I was pointing out that there was severe backlash against Obama in the 2012-1016 elections. You can try and dodge that point, but it is a fact. The DNC lost more seats in 2012 than the GOP lost in 2018. It was a direct effect from the lies told about the ACA.

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And Congress had several years to address problems in the ACA and instead just made fifty failed attempts to repeal it.

That's a lie. There were several attempts to make changes to the ACA, but they were all blocked by the DNC. The MSM who protects the DNC made sure to not talk about the reform attempts.

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But it should make you happy that garbage plans are legal again.

Once again, a weak reply. Keep using that ass covering term for Obama's lies.




Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 27 Feb, 2019 10:18 pm
@Baldimo,
One person did the killing, but you bet others put him up to it. The fact that the Nazis didn’t end up killing a couple of hundred people had more to do with the conduct of others than the Nazis. Nazis came equipped to kill hundreds all they were looking for was an incident or an excuse.
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Hate, really who was Antifa founded to hate. The KKK was founded to hate blacks. The Nazis were founded to hate Jews. Socialism and communism were founded to keep the ungodly greedy from stealing all the wealth of a country.
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This was not the FBI it was somebody that worked in his office who looked at his search history and alerted the FBI. Have you ever accessed the search history of a fellow employee? It would seem to take somebody that was extremely nosy.
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Greed is one of the seven major sins but for some reason greed is not treated like the other six major sins. The massive accumulation of wealth has already completely corrupted our political system and greed wants political power to accumulate more wealth. The direction of the country when Reagan came to power and was obsessed with making the ungodly greedy wealthier than even their wildest dreams. Reagan got a country that believed a debt should be paid off. Reagan tripled the national debt to give huge tax cuts to the ungodly greedy 70% tax cuts. Of all the reasons to go into massive debt tax cuts was the worst. Every Republican administration since, with the exception of Bush senior continued to give even more massive tax cuts for the ungodly greedy. Tax cuts for the ungodly greedy is why we are $21 trillion in debt today.
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When you buy enough politicians to give you a 70% tax cut that is theft. Economics is simple you have to have enough income to cover expenses if you don’t you go bankrupt. It is like thinking you can defy gravity. Should the ungodly greedy not have to pay for their mansion also? After all they earned that income. If you want a military to protect that mansion it costs money. You think government services should be free but not other services.

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Success is one thing, greed is another. They are getting a five fingered discount on government services by cutting taxes below what it costs to provide them.
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It works exactly that way in fact the ungodly greedy like John Wayne bought up thousands of acres of worthless land and got paid for not growing anything on the land. More welfare for the rich.
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It did happen and I gave you that article before.
”New Walmart Subsidized With Millions of Taxpayer Dollars—and Some Residents Are Thrilled.”
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Archives for a newspaper in Colorado will not help with local news here.
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The actual amount for these guaranteed wage programs was only $500 a month and is not enough to live on. You think lazy is a character defect much like greed is a major character defect.
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I don’t believe there is such a thing as a greedy socialist. That is a direct contradiction in terms, socialists believe in an egalitarian distribution of wealth while the ungodly greedy believe all the wealth is theirs, you can’t be both.
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You don’t know much about the history of South America. Reagan fought an illegal war trying to prop up one south American dictator. We were flying guns down and drugs back that flooded the inner cities with cheap crack cocaine. When Reagan was caught red-handed, he claimed he could not remember.
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The CIA put dictators in power all over the world that would be favorable to the ungodly greedy. They called us ugly Americans because what we did to their political systems.
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If they have to be rotated out that tells you living there year-round is not possible.
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It has nothing to do with rain and everything to do with rising ocean levels. High tides vary in how high they are relative to phases of the moon. Some high tides are much higher than others.
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With illegal immigration at a 40 year low it is impossible to make a case for national emergency and now Republicans are beginning to realize that extensive use of eminent domain to take property is going to be extremely unpopular with their base.
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Facts are facts the city attorney did not like to come to city court leaving us on our own to make a case often against a client’s lawyer and when it came down to it, I won most of my cases. I advised the judge on the laws that I enforced and the appropriate punishment.
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How anybody can believe a moron I don’t know, and that is how Trumps friends describe him. I can’t print what his enemies call him. Trump does the persecution complex better than most. Everybody is out to get him. All the courts are against him except the ones that rule in his favor. But what the Supreme court ruled on was completely gutted from the original Muslim ban. It is just Trump and the Russians against the world. Two white Christians nations against the brown men is how Trump sees it.
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Abortion will continue but guns are on their way out in a couple more generations. There won’t be anybody left who wants to play cowboy.
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So like Baby Bush you think we should just hand out the $2.93 trillion trust fund to the ungodly greedy in tax cuts. Wait, the Republicans already did that didn’t they, but you bet one thing we will take it out of their hide if we have to. I have read entire books written about social security. I didn’t fall for the Baby Bush line that the $2.93 trillion is worthless paper.
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You understand the stock market. Stock was one of the earliest forms of gambling. Some people win gambling others win the lottery, but many go broke in a hurry. They took a bunch of monkeys throwing darts at a dart board to pick stocks and they did better than professional stock brokers. They always tell you there is one thing you don’t want to do with retirement money and that is gamble with it. WV lost their money on the stock market in $500,000 chunks.

The stock market works under the same supply and demand laws. Dump social security into the stock market and the prices go through the roof because of demand. But stock is only worth what the company’s value is. The ungodly greedy would wait until the prices went through the roof and then cash out with the social security dollars and the stocks would plunge back to earth leaving people with a fraction of their social security.
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Social security is not running out of money that is a Republican con game to keep from paying social security back. Social security operated at a $44 billion surplus last year after most of the baby boomer generation retired. There are literally thousands of professional thieves and conmen can’t wait to get their hands on $2.93 trillion trust fund. Social security was never designed to have a trust fund it was strictly a pay as you go. That is the way it worked for years.
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There were specifications put in place that defined what health insurance had to be. One was that children could remain on their parent’s policy to age 26. The second was that there would no longer be a million-dollar life time limit on the policy that some went through in the first six months of life. Some insurance companies did not want to follow the law of the land.
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The insurance companies make a decision as to whether they want to comply with the law in each state. If they don’t want to follow the state law, it is up to them. Car Insurance companies or Fire Insurance companies have no problem with complying with state law.
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No believe me there are junk insurance policies which are insurance policies in name only. Health insurance is very complex, they will pay for this, but they won’t pay for that. The only way you know for sure that you have junk health insurance is when you get the bill.
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That is like you can keep your doctor which was a lie long before Obama care came along. Insurance companies dictate which doctors you can see. If you go out of network, they only pay 40%. Trying to locate a doctor or a specialist is nearly impossible because they are out of network. Insurance companies should never be involved in health care.

hightor
 
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Reply Thu 28 Feb, 2019 06:21 am
@Baldimo,
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Yet here you are defending the lies with more lies and telling me I'm wrong, he didn't lie...

Blah blah blah....

Unlike the loyal readers of the SSM, I don't get all indignant and belligerent because some politician lied. It happens. All the time. Some are more egregious than others. And lies will eventually be exposed as lies. As I read the history of the ACA, it was a work in progress when he originally started trying to sell the plan to the people. It doesn't surprise me at all that the rhetoric got out in front of the truth when dealing with a highly complicated program which was in constant flux.
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That was another lie told by Obama, everyone would be getting a check.

You're talking about this? You probably didn't meet the requirements. He didn't say "everyone". Must be tough.
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It was a direct effect from the lies told about the ACA.

No it wasn't. It was a direct result of the political process which surrounded the ACA (the unseemly horse-trading), the Republican refusal to have anything to do with the process, and the unending deluge of misrepresentations and lies spread in the SSM and eagerly sucked up by butt-hurt buffoons still seething over a halfrican being elected president. The lies didn't start until later and the they weren't exposed as lies until the program was actually rolled out.
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The MSM who protects the DNC made sure to not talk about the reform attempts.

I doubt if any of these RNC-sponsored "reforms" were made in good faith.
Are these the sorts of "reforms" you were talking about?
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1. January 19, 2011 – House repealed Obamacare in its entirety. (H.R. 2) 2. February 19, 2011 –House passed the FY2011 continuing appropriations bill including several substantial bipartisan amendments that would severely limit the implementation of Obamacare. (H.R. 1) 3. The Rehberg Amendment #575: Prohibited funding for any employee, officer, contractor or grantee of any department or agency funded under Labor & HHS to implement the health care provisions of Obamacare. 4. The King Amendment #267: Provided that no funds in this Act may be may be used to implement Obamacare. 5. The King Amendment #268: Prohibited funding for the pay of officials who implement Obamacare. 6. The Emerson Amendment #83: Prohibited funding by the IRS to implement or enforce provisions on Obamacare related to the reporting of health insurance coverage. 7. The Price Amendment #409: Prohibited funding for implementing the Medical Loss Ratio (MLR) provision. 8. The Burgess Amendment #200: Prohibited funding at the Center for Consumer Information and Insurance Oversight (CCIIO). 9. The Pitts Amendment #430: Prohibited funding for actions to specify or define, through regulations, guidelines, or otherwise, essential benefits as required in Obamacare. 10. The Gardner Amendment #79: Prohibited funding for implementing Exchanges. 11. The Hayworth Amendment #567: Prohibited funding for implementing IPAB. 12. March 3, 2011 – House repealed (signed into law) 1099 reporting requirements that placed a financial burden on small businesses and independent contractors. (H.R. 4) 13. April 13, 2011 – House repealed the PPHF that was riddled with wasteful, unaccountable spending. (H.R. 1217) 14. April 14, 2011 – House repealed (signed into law) “Free Choice Voucher” program, reduced funding for the CO-OP by $2.2 billion, provided new tools to fight implementation and ensured no increase in IRS funding to hire additional agents to enforce the individual mandate as part of the FY2011 continuing appropriations bill. (H.R. 1473) 15. April 14, 2011 – House directed the Senate to take a vote defunding all mandatory and discretionary spending in Obamacare. (H.Con.Res.35) 16. April 15, 2011 – House passed FY2012 budget which repealed and defunded Obamacare. (H.Con.Res.34) 17. May 3, 2011 – House eliminated ability for Secretary of Health and Human Services to have an unlimited tap on the U.S. Treasury related to government mandated health insurance exchanges. (H.R. 1213) 18. May 4, 2011 – House repealed provision that required $200 million of mandatory “slush" fund spending solely for construction for School-Based Health Centers. (H.R. 1214) 19. May 24, 2011 – House converted $230 million in mandatory spending for graduate medical education programs to discretionary spending, allowing teaching health centers to receive funding through the regular appropriations process with Congressional oversight. (H.R. 1216) 20. August 1, 2011 – House passed (signed into law) the Budget Control Act of 2011 that allowed another mechanism to cut Obamacare mandatory and discretionary spending. (S. 365) 21. October 13, 2011 – House passed the Protect Life Act that prevented funds in Obamacare (including tax credits) from being used to pay for abortion or abortion coverage and codified conscience protections. (H.R. 358) 22. November, 16 2011 – House required (signed into law) certain benefits to be included in the calculation of modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) for determining eligibility for certain health care programs under Obamacare. (H.R. 674) 23. December 13, 2011 – House passed the Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act that extended the “doc fix” through Obamacare subsidy recapture and reductions to the PPHF, among other provisions. (H.R. 3630) 24. December 16, 2011 – House rescinded (signed into law) $400 million from CO-OPs and $10 million in funds for IPAB (rationing board) in the FY2012 appropriations bill. The bill also reduced IRS funding by $305 million from FY2011 levels. (H.R. 2055) 25. February 1, 2012 – House repealed the CLASS Act, a microcosm for the problems in Obamacare (budget gimmick, insolvent, done behind closed doors and rushed into law, massive new unsustainable entitlement), which was used to disguise the short-term costs of the broader bill. (H.R. 1173) 26. February 17, 2012 – House passed (signed into law) the Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act that cut $11.6 billion from Obamacare including $5 billion from the PPHF and recouped $2.5 billion in excess Medicaid funding via the “Louisiana Purchase”. (H.R. 3630) 27. March 22, 2012 – House repealed IPAB, a panel of 15 unelected and unaccountable government bureaucrats tasked with reducing Medicare costs through arbitrary cuts to providers, limiting access to care for seniors. (H.R. 5) 28. March 29, 2012 – House passed FY2013 budget which repealed and defunded Obamacare, ensuring that not a penny is spent on the government takeover of health care. (H.Con.Res.112) 29. April 27, 2012 – House prevented interest rate increases for certain student loans, offset by repealing the Obamacare PPHF. (H.R. 4628) 30. May 10, 2012 – House replaced harmful discretionary sequester cuts to our military and defense capabilities by defunding and repealing several Obamacare provisions including Medicaid Maintenance of Effort (MOE) requirements, among other provisions. (H.R. 5652) 31. June 7, 2012 – House repealed the medical device tax, limitations on reimbursement of the over-the-counter medications from tax-advantaged accounts for health care and the Exchange subsidy overpayments. (H.R. 436) 32. June 29, 2012 – House further reduced (signed into law) a Medicaid formula drafting error included in Obamacare’s “Louisiana Purchase” provision, clawing back $670 million as part of the Highway Conference bill. (H.R. 4348) 33. July 11, 2012 – House repealed Obamacare in its entirety in the wake of the Supreme Court decision to uphold the vast majority of the law. (H.R.6079) 34. December 20, 2012 – House replaced, for the second time, discretionary sequester cuts by defunding and repealing several Obamacare provisions including MOE requirements, among other provisions. (H.R. 6684) 35. January 1, 2013 – House passed (signed into law) the fiscal cliff deal which repealed the CLASS Act and rescinded all unobligated CO-OP funds saving $2.3 billion, among other provisions. (H.R. 8) 36. March 21, 2013 – House passed FY2014 budget which repealed and defunded Obamacare. (H.Con.Res.25) 37. May 16, 2013 – House repealed Obamacare in its entirety as a stand-alone bill. (H.R. 45) 38. July 17, 2013 – House delayed the implementation of the Obamacare employer mandate for one-year. (H.R. 2667) 39. July 17, 2013 – House delayed the implementation of the Obamacare individual mandate for one-year. (H.R.2668) 40. August 2, 2013 – House prevented the IRS from implementing or enforcing any portion of Obamacare. (H.R.2009) 41. September 12, 2013 – House prevented fraudulent Obamacare subsidy claims by requiring accurate verification systems to be in place before subsidies are dispersed. (H.R. 2775) 42. September 20, 2013 – House fully defunded Obamacare through prohibiting discretionary and mandatory spending and rescinding all unobligated balances as part of the short-term FY2014 continuing appropriations bill. (H.J.Res. 59) 43. September 29, 2013 –House permanently repealed the onerous job killing 2.3% excise tax on medical devices as part of the short-term FY2014 continuing appropriations bill (Amendment #1 to H.J.Res 59) 44. September 29, 2013 – House delayed all of Obamacare for one year as part of the short-term FY2014 continuing appropriations bill (Amendment #2 to H.J.Res 59) 45. September 30, 2013 – House delayed the individual mandate for one year and required the President, Vice President, and Cabinet Secretaries to join Members of Congress and their staff in purchasing coverage through Exchanges without access to employer provided subsidy as part of the short-term FY2014 continuing appropriations bill (Amendment to H.J.Res 59) 46. October 17, 2013 – House required (signed into law) accurate income verification systems be put in place before Obamacare exchange subsidies are dispersed as part of the short-term FY2014 continuing appropriations bill (H.R. 2775). 47. November 15, 2013 – House allowed American’s to keep their 2013 plan without being penalized under the Obamacare individual mandate (H.R. 3350) 48. January 10, 2014 –House required notification of individuals of breaches of personally identifiable information through Obamacare Exchanges (H.R. 3811) 49. January 16, 2014 – House required transparency in the operation and status of Obamacare’s health exchanges through weekly reports on key metrics to decision makers in Congress and the states (H.R. 3362)

Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 28 Feb, 2019 11:28 am
@Zardoz,
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One person did the killing, but you bet others put him up to it.

Don't you think that would have come out at his trial?

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The fact that the Nazis didn’t end up killing a couple of hundred people had more to do with the conduct of others than the Nazis. Nazis came equipped to kill hundreds all they were looking for was an incident or an excuse.

No they weren't, you are suffering from Transference again. The conduct of the other people was violence. There were many fights taking place, and there would have been no fights or deaths if not for Antifa.

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Hate, really who was Antifa founded to hate.

The average American who is to the right of their extremist communist beliefs.

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The KKK was founded to hate blacks.

Make sure to thank your DNC task masters for the KKK. You do know that the DNC founded the KKK don't you?

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The Nazis were founded to hate Jews.

Nazi's were also Socialists and liked a strong central govt, just like you want.

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Socialism and communism were founded to keep the ungodly greedy from stealing all the wealth of a country.

Wrong, socialism and communism were founded to destroy nations and hold back technological advancement.

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This was not the FBI it was somebody that worked in his office who looked at his search history and alerted the FBI.

We all know how the FBI has handeled such things in the past, Parkland High School ring a bell? So the FBI received the report and actually did their jobs this time.

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Have you ever accessed the search history of a fellow employee?

No I haven't.

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It would seem to take somebody that was extremely nosy.

I don't think they were nosy, unless they were looking at everyone's browser history, they likely knew he was up to something and checked it out. Good for him, that's part of the "see something, say something."

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Greed is one of the seven major sins but for some reason greed is not treated like the other six major sins.

You are talking to the wrong person about religious sin, I don't care about "sin".

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The massive accumulation of wealth has already completely corrupted our political system and greed wants political power to accumulate more wealth.

For some reason you thought Hillary Clinton would make a good President...

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The direction of the country when Reagan came to power and was obsessed with making the ungodly greedy wealthier than even their wildest dreams.

Seeing as how you can never be honest about the condition of the country heading into the 1980's, it proves you can't have an honest discussion.

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When you buy enough politicians to give you a 70% tax cut that is theft.

Who has received a 70% tax cut?

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Economics is simple you have to have enough income to cover expenses if you don’t you go bankrupt.

Smart people cut back on spending when times are tough, they don't double down their spending hoping to make it up later.

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If you want a military to protect that mansion it costs money.

The military doesn't protect mansions, it protects a nation.

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You think government services should be free but not other services.

Making things up and putting words in my mouth.

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Success is one thing, greed is another. They are getting a five fingered discount on government services by cutting taxes below what it costs to provide them.

Yes, greed by the leftists wanting to take what isn't theirs is indeed a problem.

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It works exactly that way in fact the ungodly greedy like John Wayne bought up thousands of acres of worthless land and got paid for not growing anything on the land. More welfare for the rich.

I hear lots of liberals do the same thing to hide their money, for all their screaming about paying more in taxes, they sure do like to save money.

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It did happen and I gave you that article before.
”New Walmart Subsidized With Millions of Taxpayer Dollars—and Some Residents Are Thrilled.”

You didn't prove anything other than you can post a bias article. The only people upset by this deal are you and the other leftists. There is no break down of anything, just a bias article from someone who doesn't like Walmart and doesn't want to see people employed and earning money.

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Archives for a newspaper in Colorado will not help with local news here.

This is how dumb you are, I looked up newspapers for many different small cities outside of CO, not big cities. You should actually try and use the website. I don't know where you live, so I can't search for your local paper.

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The actual amount for these guaranteed wage programs was only $500 a month and is not enough to live on.

That was one program. Why do you have to be so dishonest all the time? As I pointed out before, the 2 year program in Finland was stopped a year early, the program failed. Just like it fails every place it is tried, much like socialism fails every time.

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You think lazy is a character defect much like greed is a major character defect.

Greed is not a character defect, laziness is though. When you do nothing and expect someone else to pay for your way of life, that's a weakness that is brought on by socialism.

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I don’t believe there is such a thing as a greedy socialist.

That is every socialist who has ever lived. They all want stuff that isn't theirs as their own. To lazy to work, but greedy enough to take it from someone else without the fair and even exchange of services or products. That is theft.

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You don’t know much about the history of South America.

I know enough.

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Reagan fought an illegal war trying to prop up one south American dictator.

You mean he was supporting a dictator who was fighting against a communist uprising.

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We were flying guns down and drugs back that flooded the inner cities with cheap crack cocaine. When Reagan was caught red-handed, he claimed he could not remember.

That seems to be the story told by the leftists who were in favor of communism spreading around the globe.

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The CIA put dictators in power all over the world that would be favorable to the ungodly greedy.

You mean they supported dictators who were fighting against the spread of communism. It's funny how the leftists always seem to leave out the spread of communism pushed by the USSR.

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If they have to be rotated out that tells you living there year-round is not possible.

Living there year round is possible, we leave people there in the dead of winter all the time, we don't bring them home when the weather gets bad.
Humans have a 24/7/365 presence on Antarctica.

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It has nothing to do with rain and everything to do with rising ocean levels.

Wrong.

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With illegal immigration at a 40 year low

That is a myth told by the open border advocates. We have over 20 million illegal immigrants in the US. That's why the left doesn't want the citizenship question on the Census, they know their lies will be exposed.

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Facts are facts the city attorney did not like to come to city court leaving us on our own to make a case often against a client’s lawyer and when it came down to it, I won most of my cases. I advised the judge on the laws that I enforced and the appropriate punishment.

Bullshit!

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How anybody can believe a moron I don’t know

I actually don't believe most of what you say, if I did, that would make me a moron.

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I can’t print what his enemies call him.

You do it all the time, I'm clear on how you feel about your President.

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Trump does the persecution complex better than most.

That's funny coming from someone who likely called people disagreeing with Obama a bunch of racists. Let's be honest, the leftists in general called people racists for not agreeing with him.

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Everybody is out to get him.

Not everyone, just the leftists in the US.

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All the courts are against him except the ones that rule in his favor.

This just proves the leftists courts are ruling against him and not his policies. Of course we already knew that, because the SCOTUS usually agree's with Trump. Just like they will with his border wall emergency. All the states sueing him, were states that voted for Hillary, figures.

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But what the Supreme court ruled on was completely gutted from the original Muslim ban.

It wasn't gutted, it was pretty much the same EO. Do you have something that claims differently?

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It is just Trump and the Russians against the world. Two white Christians nations against the brown men is how Trump sees it.

That isn't even close to the truth, more of your imagination running wild.

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Abortion will continue but guns are on their way out in a couple more generations. There won’t be anybody left who wants to play cowboy.

You don't have the faintest idea of how wrong you are. Guns are going nowhere and you don't even have half the votes required to amend the Constitution.

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So like Baby Bush you think we should just hand out the $2.93 trillion trust fund to the ungodly greedy in tax cuts.

That wasn't his idea, why do you have to lie so much?
I think people should be given the option to do with their SS what they want to do with it. It shouldn't be forced and if you want some sort of safety net, then make only 50% of the funds available to invest with. That way if things go badly, they still have 50% of their SS to use as normal when they retire.

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Social security is not running out of money that is a Republican con game to keep from paying social security back.

No, it's actually a fact. SS is running out of money because the pay ratio is wrong. We currently have about 3 people paying in for every 1 person collecting SS. By the time I'm able to collect SS, it will be down below 2 people per 1 collecting. That isn't sustainable in the long run and will lead to either reduced payouts or no payouts at all.

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Social security operated at a $44 billion surplus last year after most of the baby boomer generation retired.

That is incorrect and wrong. Last year SS actual had more payouts then income into the program. This article was written in June of 2018.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2018/06/21/social-security-feels-pinch-as-baby-boomers-clock-out-for-good/#1e67ab824995

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There are literally thousands of professional thieves and conmen can’t wait to get their hands on $2.93 trillion trust fund.

Not even close to the truth, your bias against money managers is clear.

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Social security was never designed to have a trust fund it was strictly a pay as you go. That is the way it worked for years.

Wrong again, the very first people who collected SS never paid into the system, it was never a pay as you go system. It has always been a pay in now, other people get to collect and you collect later in life after other people have been paying into the system.

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There were specifications put in place that defined what health insurance had to be.

Definition put in place by leftists who only wanted control of 1/5 of the US economy. It had nothing to do with "good policy" as it did with more control by the Govt. The ACA has failed to delivery on it's promise, that's why the leftists now want to shift to socialized medicine, it's all about control over the people.

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One was that children could remain on their parent’s policy to age 26.

While a good policy, since when did 26 year old adults still count as children?

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The second was that there would no longer be a million-dollar life time limit on the policy that some went through in the first six months of life.

Another good change that could have taken place without the entire ACA program. That's the problem with leftists, they don't want to do small change to see how things work, they want to break the system with massive changes that can't be easily backed out of.

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The insurance companies make a decision as to whether they want to comply with the law in each state.

The Federal govt has laws in place to prevent cross border insurance purchases, which seems to me to be a violation of the Interstate Commerce Clause.

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If they don’t want to follow the state law, it is up to them. Car Insurance companies or Fire Insurance companies have no problem with complying with state law.

State law isn't the issue, it's federal law preventing the States from doing what they want. The Feds should lift the ban on cross state purchase. Why should I be limited to only companies that are available in CO? What if I find a better plan in Nevada?

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No believe me there are junk insurance policies which are insurance policies in name only.

Proof fact's links?

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That is like you can keep your doctor which was a lie long before Obama care came along.

Wrong, this lie was told by Obama to sell the ACA, he lied through his teeth for 3 years until people started getting kicked off their plans.

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Insurance companies dictate which doctors you can see.

No they don't, Dr's sign up to work with the insurance, the insurance doesn't pick and choose, you actually get to do that.

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If you go out of network, they only pay 40%. Trying to locate a doctor or a specialist is nearly impossible because they are out of network. Insurance companies should never be involved in health care.

More lies coming from your mouth. You do know that insurance companies have a listing of Doctors on their website, in your area that are in network. You should really try the internet more often instead of lying about how something works.






Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 28 Feb, 2019 11:44 am
@hightor,
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Unlike the loyal readers of the SSM, I don't get all indignant and belligerent because some politician lied.

Really? In the last 2 years, you have never made a deal about Trump "lies"? I find that very hard to believe.

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It happens. All the time. Some are more egregious than others. And lies will eventually be exposed as lies.

Unless you are a DNC President and then the media will cover-up your lies and continue to lie for you.

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As I read the history of the ACA, it was a work in progress when he originally started trying to sell the plan to the people. It doesn't surprise me at all that the rhetoric got out in front of the truth when dealing with a highly complicated program which was in constant flux.

This is the excuse you are giving to 3 years of lies? Why does the media continue to cover for the lies told about the ACA. I don't know a single person who saw a $2500 reduction in their insurance costs, mine went up 4x. In fact a vast majority of people have seen nothing but increases in their insurance costs.

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As I read the history of the ACA, it was a work in progress when he originally started trying to sell the plan to the people. It doesn't surprise me at all that the rhetoric got out in front of the truth when dealing with a highly complicated program which was in constant flux.


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You're talking about this? You probably didn't meet the requirements. He didn't say "everyone". Must be tough.

This is where the MSM cover-up starts. Obama said while lying about the ACA before it was passed that the rebates would be seen by everyone, because we were all being screwed. We are talking about the lies told to sell the American people on a scam, not the outcome. The outcome was that a q vast majority of the American public had no issues with their insurance companies and they were not getting screwed.

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No it wasn't. It was a direct result of the political process which surrounded the ACA (the unseemly horse-trading), the Republican refusal to have anything to do with the process, and the unending deluge of misrepresentations and lies spread in the SSM and eagerly sucked up by butt-hurt buffoons still seething over a halfrican being elected president.

People were against the ACA because Obama was black? Lies lies and more lies. I thought you were better than this cheap race card tactics.
When you can't win on the fact's you turn to racism. The GOP and the people they support wanted nothing to do with the ACA. They knew it was a lie from the start and have been proven correct.






 

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