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The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

 
 
Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 11 Feb, 2019 09:31 am
@Zardoz,
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You seem to believe that professional killing machines are no more efficient than amateurs.

How much professionalism does it take to drive a vehicle through a crowd of people?

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Antifa plays an important role.

No they don't, they are modern day Brown Shirts.

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The Nazis who went to Charlottesville came armed with the full intention of stating fights it is the politics of intimidation.

What were they armed with? I think you are confusing them with Antifa.

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Then you signed up to defend socialism.

No, I actually signed up to defend the Constitution, I could careless if a majority of our "socialist" programs disappeared.

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The criminal code for the most part is state and city.

Depending on the crime.

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The laws against illegal immigration are federal laws and can only be enforced by federal officials. The feds are free to enforce the law and the immigrants are subject to that law. A state or city cannot pass a law that supercedes federal law.

Then how come Sanctuary Cities exist? Those laws fly in the face of Federal law.

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The emotional IQ studies have been around for years somewhere I have a book on the subject.

I'm sure you do have a book around that you can't share on the web...

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Disease indeed played a part in killing the Indians off. As America gets immigrants from all over the world the same thing could happen to us, one bug, that we have no immunity to, could wipe out a good deal of the population.

Yeah, sure that could happen. I'm sure you would be more than happy with such an event. Less white people around.

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All borders are just borders, they are drawn in ink and can be erased just as easily.

Sorry to tell you, but not all borders are equal. American Sovereignty is a thing.

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Memories fade while pictures retain their details. Most people think memory is as reliable as super 8 film but when tested they found memories change each time they are accessed. After a major event, such as, the Kennedy assassination, people were asked what they were doing at the time at 6-month intervals. The memories changed significantly. Armstrong’s memories would have eroded more than the rocks the picture would still be a true representation.

This is your response to someone who has done something you haven't? This is how you dismiss personal experience vs 3rd party viewing?

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Not racist the proper word would be realists this happens all over the world as one race controls a country for a while and then another takes over. Time marches on.

You have zero proof this is a thing. You seem to be confusing race with nationality. This is surprising seeing as how you don't know the difference between state and national borders. The fact is you are a racist.

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I have answers just not ones you like.

You have wrong answers with no basis in reality.

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If you read the history of the farm movement during the Great Depression you will understand.

Really, during the Great Depression?

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Over production was a fact you can’t change history it happened the farmers were going broke and the government had to say capitalism be damned it does not work for the farming sector. The farm support bills were passed, and the rest is history.

You keep saying this but have provided zero proof, as usual. Did some research and Marx keeps popping up in conjunction with this claim. Not surprised.

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It is high time people pulled their head out of the sand and looked around at the reality of our government and not the illusion.

I agree, we are a Constitutional Republic and people need to be reminded of this.

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Obamacare that too is a socialistic solution after the greed-based healthcare system has priced the middle class out of it.

How wrong you are, a vast majority of Americans were having no issues with the health insurance, Obama fooled every one into thinking the problem was wide spread.

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When capitalism fails socialism takes over.

Capitalism has never failed, socialism only takes over strong economies and destroys them. We have many examples including the modern day Venezuela, once one of the richest countries in South America, it is now one of the poorest and people are staving.

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The system works the way the voters say it works.

Wrong again, the Constitution of the country and each state says how the system works. We can vote to change it, but we are still voting to change the system. It doesn't change just because a group of people say it should.

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Sorry I did work in the private sector for a few years before I started at the city.

Couldn't hack it in the real world?

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CBO but they are not fortune tellers, so it is a guestimate. It is almost always overly optimistic, meaning the trillion could end up being 2 or 3 trillion.

Imagine when they start giving costs on govt programs...

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The Trump voters are finally getting the bad news as they do their tax returns. One had to pay an additional $4,000 this year on the same income. He posted on twitter he would never vote for Trump again. Can I say I told you so?

I wonder if that person lived in one of those high taxes states who are limited to 10k deductions on their state taxes?

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I did get my decimal point wrong but one trillion is a lot of money

Being wrong destroys your point, nothing else needs to be said.

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“Tax Cut is Better (for companies) and worse for (for Everyone Else)”
Source: Bloomberg
It looks like the real figure maybe $600,000,000,000 higher than expected.

You don't read to well do you? First off Bloomberg is saying the total cost would go up to $2 trillion...
Want to know why we are going to be screwed? The DNC failed to vote for the tax measure making it permenent, instead it's a temp tax cut, which lessens each year it goes on. The DNC screwed the American people.

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“List of debtor nations by net international investment position per capita”
Source Wikipedia

“List of Creditor nations by net international investment per capita”
Same source
The nations are ranked by the percentage of GNP the nations above America in the list are smaller nations

Yet, we still provide trillions to people around the world. I'm ok with us no longer giving money away to other countries, especially when those countries don't have our best interests at heart. Who loans out more money than the US, no one. Maybe we should stop.

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When you write this much you can’t possibly check every figure. Common sense would dictate that if China is purchasing a trillion dollars of our debt that they would be debt free. That would be like you being in debt and purchasing your neighbor’s debt.

Sure you can, you check your facts prior to moving on to the next section. Are you trying to claim China has no debt again?

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Addressing someone by the wrong gender? That would be a difficult call because I have seen some people that I could not determine their sex.

Yes, it recently happened again in the UK.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/02/british_woman_arrested_for_calling_a_transgender_woman_a_man.html

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One car manufacturer was offered a $500 million package to build in America but decided to build in Canada instead. America can never rebuild its manufacturing base until healthcare is solved. Health insurance is a major cost to a business in America.

You have a story of one company? How many companies have come back to the US? I know the company I work for is getting rid of all tech support in India and bringing it all here to the US, CO specifically. 2 people have already started training with a 3rd to start in the next couple of weeks. By years end, we will have 6 L1 techs in the US and none out of the US.

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You are right Canada has solved the healthcare problem.

If that's the case, how come Canadians come to the US to get medical help?
I would bet more Canadians come to the US for medical care than the other way around.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-08-03/canadians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care

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I didn’t know it was a race. Who are the judges?

Well, when it comes to health advancements to cure things, it's the US who leads the race. Other countries live off our inventions.

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You can twist words, but you can’t twist facts.

You can't twist something you have never provided. What facts on space travel have you provided?

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Do you have any idea what a mess baby Bush made of the country? We were in hours of every bank in America of collapsing. It took trillions to dig America out of the whole Bush mess. That didn’t leave much for space exploration.

Bush was not the cause of the market crash, it was the sub-prime loan market which tanked the market. Who singed the law allowing such loans to be made?

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Analog and digital signals are electronics 101 everything from multi-meters to televisions. First you had a volt meter with needle that swings to one that has a digital read out. We all know how that worked out. One day your television worked and the next it didn’t while the old signal would travel for miles the new signal was amplitude modulated with line of sight transmission. Cable television was not necessary all you needed was antenna in TV was free now you have to be next door to the transmitter.

I had to laugh at this. You might know about signals, but you don't seem to know anything about the tech. Over the air TV signals did not have the bandwidth to push the type of data being pushed over coaxial cable.

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I was surprised when I clicked on your link that it wasn’t from a KKK site. So many of your posts show their influence.

What a cop out. Every single link I provide is from a mainline source, not some out of the way website.

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That is like saying after all of Al Capone top lieutenants are arrested that Capone had nothing to do with what his employees were up to.

Not even close to reality and what is happening. Keep digging though.

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That was a direct quote from the article “All CEOs.

Yeah, but you forget the part where they said it was for the S&P 400 companies, not all CEO's in the US. Lying by omission is still lying.

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The Russian attack is the most serious attack on the United States since 9/11 attack.

It was nothing close to the same as 9/11.

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We are not talking about making money we are talking about Trump publicly calling for foreign enemy to launch a cyber attack against the United States. Making money has nothing to do with it.

Making a joke about hacking another candidate isn't an attack against the US. I guess if Hillary had turned all those emails over to the govt like she was suppose to...

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Socialist countries have a much more egalitarian distribution of wealth but when Russia collapsed few people managed to get all the wealth in short order. If you measure by how rich the people are the Russian oligarchs caught up in a few years.

No they don't. A majority of the countries you see as "socialist" aren't even close to socialist. In fact a majority of those countries have much higher taxes on the averager person than the US does. The average tax rate in the Scandinavian countries is 55-60% on everyone, nut just the wealthiest. So their form of socialism is to tax everyone at high rates.

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That graph is from a book “Perfectly Legal: The Covert Campaign to Rig Our Tax System to benefit the Super Rich” by David Cay Johnson” If you read one book this year it should be this one.

Still dodging the fact that Obama and Hillary both had over 1 billion in campaign funds? You are looking at the wrong crooks.

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Income tax is only one tax among 200.

There are 200 different taxes at the federal level?

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What difference does it make what tax you pay are you prejudice?

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The ungodly greedy has tried to convince the public that there is only one tax and that is thee tax on excess wealth and those without excess wealth are the ones that should be paying it.

This again. There is no such thing as excess wealth and we don't tax wealth, we tax income.

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If they are going to make the argument that they pay 58% of income tax than to know whether was fair or not, we have to know how much of the income they have.

That isn't an argument, that is facts from the federal govt, the IRS numbers. You don't want to tax income, you want to tax wealth.

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Don’t you think it a bit strange that they don’t supply the other figure?

What other figure?

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It looks like the actual figure is that those making over $200,000 are in the 92% percentile. So, they have 92% of the income and pay only 58% of the taxes. They owe 34% to be fair.

That isn't how it works.

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It is income to you. You did not have it and then it was income. Inheritance is income and should be taxed.

Inheritance isn't income and it shouldn't be taxed.

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Inheritance tax is by far the most important tax in America because it breaks up the huge fortunes that would go on forever. Don’t you get it income tax is a tax on income. Without an inheritance tax America would be much closer to a revolution because of the distribution of wealth.

Nonsense. The death tax is the final insult to someone who worked their entire life to make something. Envy and greed seek to take what doesn't belong to you.

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I suspect conservative teachers would be as likely to teach from their view point as liberal teachers but somehow no one complains about them.

How can you complain about teaching the Constitution as it was meant to be taught?

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The internet may have helped but now the economy is going great, but we are going a trillion dollars a year into debt.

Yes, the economy is doing great because of Trump, remember Obama telling us that GDP growth of plus 2 % was a thing of the past? Trump proved him wrong with 3% plus per quarter since he took office.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/188185/percent-chance-from-preceding-period-in-real-gdp-in-the-us/

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So, it looks like it was who was in charge. If the republicans had been in charge, they would have tripled the debt just like Reagan.

You mean like Obama doubled it?

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The house has no enforcement power only the executives branch has executive powers.

This has no meaning.

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Once the regulations were gone the banks could take any bet and make it a financial instrument that was sold to other banks. The banks were fraudulently making loans. They made up applications by telling prospective buyers what to right down. The banks making the loans could care less if the people could pay the loan because they sold the loans to other banks who bundled them and sold them to others. No regs no oversight and the criminals ran rampant.

Who made that change in the law? Bill Clinton made it possible to sell sub-prime loans.

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Even the Republicans bragged about the meeting and that is exactly what they did. The minority rules as long as they can filibuster it takes 60 votes to pass any bill in congress. They can stop the bill from even reaching the floor. They vowed to stop him on day one and that is what they did. The minority can use the filibuster to stop anything.

What meeting, when? In 2010, 2 years after Obama won election and the GOP took the House?

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I took those directly from your post It was a conspiracy against the United States and Trump is guilty of exactly that by calling for Russian cyberattack to help him get elected.

What's funny about all of this, is that the Russians and Chinese were already into her emails, they hacked her private email server and had full access to everything she and Obama were up to. If she had done what she was suppose to, not have a private email server and turned all emails over to the Feds... instead she broke the law and the FBI let her skate free.

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Trump was extremely serious I have watched that several times and he was very serious and so were the Russians.

He wasn't serious.

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Once Trump invited them in, and they went to town. How did you think they were going to find the e-mails? There was only one-way cyberattacks and break ins.

Yeah? I thought the emails were deleted by Clinton?

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Trump committed treason plain and simple. All the lies Trump told are coming back to haunt him.

What lies are those?

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Do you ever delete emails?

Not work emails, there are govt regulations covering such things for business's, just like there are for Hillary's emails. She violated those laws and got away with it.

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Every secretary of state before used a private server but you will never hear the Republicans say a thing about them.

They might have used private email accounts like Yahoo or AOL, but they didn't have private servers setup in their basements.

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If Hillary had lied, she would be in jail with all the Republicans who are going to jail for lying.

Wrong, she was protected by the Obama admin. If you or I had done what she did with those emails, we would be in jail. Hillary got special treatment and anyone who knows how govt email works knows she got special treatment.

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I think you should be better informed and at least know what is common knowledge.

I am far better informed than you are and my posts prove it.

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The ACA was originally intended to replace the health insurance and the Republicans blocked it there was going to be a public option.

If you like your plan you can keep it... how does that fit with the ACA?

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The ungodly greedy spent billions to kill Obamacare but in the end the public realized some health insurance beats the hell out of no health insurance. The public would not tolerate taking the health insurance away from millions.

Billions? What proof do you have?



Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2019 12:26 am
@Baldimo,
It took at least 7 people to plan that attack. It is not only driving through a crowd, it is knowing where the best crowds are and what time a day to stage the attack. It is knowing which truck is best for just like knowing which gun is best to kill large numbers of people.
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Reaction causes and equal and opposite reaction.
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The Nazis were armed with assault weapons had helmets they came with the full intention of starting a fight. The Nazis were in camouflage with assault weapons one guy has 3 spare clips for his assault weapon in his vest. The Nazis were far better armed than the police. It is a wonder this didn’t turn into a Nazi massacre in line with the Nazi massacre of civilians during WWII.
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The Bostin Globe has posted pictures of the Nazis and White nationalists in full military garb and Make America Great hats.
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Our government has far more socialist’s features than capitalist’s features. They are now experimenting with a guaranteed wage whether you are working or not in parts of America.
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The vast majority of criminal prosecutions are under state and federal law.
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Government agencies often don’t cooperate because of jealousy and a sense of competitiveness.
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I have thousands of books that would be impossible to set up links to. Sometimes on line they will let you preview a book. There is always the library.
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One virus could easily kill everyone on this planet and one day that will no doubt happen, and the world will go right on spinning.
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All borders are just lines on a map and Trump’s wall will redraw those lines making the United States smaller. The land outside of Trump’s wall might as well be in Mexico.
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Memory is not nearly as reliable as people think it is. There are many people in jail today who were convicted on eyewitness testimony. When DNA testing came along many people were exonerated. We had a rapist working the local mall. Three women testified that it was a local man that raped them. You can’t get more-close up and personal than rape. One eyewitness testimony would be enough to convict you but three surely there could be no doubt. The man went to prison, but later DNA tests proved he didn’t do it and he was freed. The real mall rapist was caught three years later, and he had no resemblance to the man that was convicted of rape. Memory is not nearly as reliable as what you think it is.

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Would you agree that Indians are not the same race as white men? Hispanics are not of the same race and white people. The percentage of Hispanics is ever growing.
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I have no problems with reality, but it was evident, by the mess the conservatives made of the country, is that conservatives do.
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That is when it became very obvious that capitalism was a failure in the farm sector.
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Did you sleep through American history while you were in school? The farm programs have been in place for over 70 years and they have worked. When milk prices went down the government decided the only way to stop the over supply was to buy some of the farmers out of the milk business and that is what they did. Once they were bought out, they had to agree to stay out of milk farming business. It worked prices went back up. What do you want to bet Marx name was never mentioned when the buyout were done?

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The reality is capitalism is not a solution for every problem of government.
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You have not been outside in a while because if you had been you would know the healthcare system is broken beyond repair. Those that have health insurance from work still have health insurance but if your employer does not provide insurance you don’t have any. Even Cobra costs over $1305 a month. Part of what caused the teachers strike was that every time teachers got a raise, they would raise the cost of their health insurance twice as much as the raise. Then they would raise the copays and deductibles. In effect health insurance was lowering their life style. Nobody is satisfied with something that was free and at one time was real insurance instead of copay.
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Capitalism failed the farmers and that is a fact. Do you know what is wrong with Venezuela? It is the distribution of wealth? It makes absolutely no difference how much wealth a country has if only a few people control the wealth of a country. Just because the billionaires are not having a problem does not mean others are not. The south American countries were established with an aristocracy based on wealth while America started with an egalitarian distribution of wealth. Once that distribution of wealth reaches a certain point the country will self-destructs until the distribution of wealth gets better. The babies are starving to death but the ungodly greedy are getting fat.
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The voters can change the constitution with amendments.
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It didn’t pay as well and there was no union. In run away inflation one needs good representation.
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They do tend to err on the low side. In fact, now they acknowledge that the Trump tax cut for the ungodly greedy will add another $1.6 trillion to the national debt.
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There is one on the evening news that got a $10,000 refund last tear and had to pay $10,000 this year. That is a Republican’s idea of a tax cut alright. Thank you, Mr. Trump.
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It may make it to $10 trillion yet we are up to $1.6 trillion already.
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You did follow the tax bill. It could not add more than the $1 trillion to the national debt. If they made the tax cut permanent the tax bill would have been way over the $1 trillion. So, the choice was to cut some of the huge tax cuts for the ungodly greedy or make the cuts temporary for the rest. There was no way in hell that the Republicans would cut one penny of the tax cuts for the ungodly greedy. The DNC had nothing to do with it.
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The US is the biggest debtor nation in the world.
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When I am spending 7 hours on this checking a few more figures is more time than I have.
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That is taking things to far. We had a transgender woman show up at the council meeting and some people can pull it off, but she was not one who could. People mistakenly address people all the time. It should not rise to the level of a crime.
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Do you realize that is not capitalism? Giving a foreign auto manufacturer $500 million makes it hard for the American manufacturers to compete against them. That is nice they bought a few jobs back, but they lost 2,000 because of our health insurance problems.
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I will bet your wrong there are tours where Americans go to Canada to buy drugs. Many Americans go to Canada and give a Canadian address to get medical treatment they can’t get here.
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This scare tactic is just that when people were followed to get treatment in Canada it was far faster than in America. I tried to get an appointment with a doctor after I was involved in a car accident. The doctor’s office gave me an application to fill out and said they would let me know a month later I got a letter stating they were not accepting new patients by that time I didn’t need to see a doctor. In Canada the doctors don’t get to pick and choose their patients. In America it is the insurance company that decides whether you get medical care or not whether you get drugs or not.

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We have people from America going overseas for treatment in America they will cut you apart whether you need it or not as long as they get a few dollars more greed is the incentive in America.
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The only facts are that we must catch a ride with Russians after Reagan cut the taxes on the ungodly greedy by 70%. The conservatives are convinced that the private sector can do it better and so we are going to get four-minute amusement rides in space in lieu of a space program.
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That was the Rush Slimbaugh propaganda when you read the actual books written by the people involved you realize that Slimbaugh’s story is just propaganda to protect the guilty. It had absolutely nothing to do with subprime and everything to do with down outright fraud. The Republicans removed the regulations from the banking that let them act as a Casino and you know what happens in Casinos.
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I don’t know about, but my television was just as good with an antenna band with or not.
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I am beginning to see some of the KKK ‘s philosophy creep into your posts especially about immigration whether is seeping into the mainstream media or coming from other posts I don’t know.
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It is exactly the same thing in a criminal organization the whole command structure is involved. When you convict the lower level, the higher levels are next.
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The sentence did not say anything about S&P 400. I have quoted that sentence. On CNBC they said that CEO should be paid no more than 20 times the average employee’s salary instead of 207 times and they are going to start pushing to get companies to comply.
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The Russian attack was far worse and caused a 100-times as much damage and it is still ongoing. The Russian have has had under continuous attack for two years. And the president thinks that it could be a 400 lb. man sitting on his bed.
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That was no joke he was as serious as a heart attack. As soon as Trump gave the speech the Russian launched another attack. Trump invited the Russian to stage a cyber-attack and they did just that. If Trump had said I want the Russian to Kill Hillary and they did so with in 30 minutes would you think that was a joke? You do understand some e-mails are private and should remain that way.
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Those countries that have higher taxes have much better benefits. You are blinded by the ungodly greedys’ propaganda that the only tax you pay is income tax when there are 100s of taxes and when they are added up they might add up to 50% when you add state tax, gas tax, property tax, tax on your phone, tax on your cable TV, tax on your utilities and other taxes that are passed along.
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You still haven’t faced up to the Russian military’s contribution. They finally came up with a number of how much influence the Russians had. They have found out that the Russian cyber attacks and social media attack s made a 3.79% difference in the outcome of the election. Meaning without the Russian help Trump would have lost in a landslide. Trump would have lost by 15 million votes.
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There are 200 different taxes at all levels of government combined, city, state, Federal, and county.
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If you read the speech in congress that introduced the income tax bill it clearly states it was a tax levied on excess “wealth.”
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Those that are making over $200,000 have 90% of the income so if they have 90% of the income, they should pay 90% of the taxes even without a progressive tax system, but they are only paying 58% of the taxes. We are not talking about wealth they have 90% of the income wealth would be far worse.
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Do you understand if someone had $9 and the tax was 20 cents dollar their tax would be $1.80 and the tax on the other dollar was 20 cents? Those making over $200,000 have 90% of the income and should pay 90% of the taxes not 58%. Saying they pay 58% of income taxes means nothing without knowing how much of the income they have.
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That is the only way it can work. Let’s say for arguments sake that those making over $200,000 only have 2% of the income and our paying 58% of the taxes would be bad but they have 92% of the income and if you have 92% of the income than you should be paying 92% of the taxes based on taxes being equal and they are not.
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If you didn’t have money one day and you had money the next that is clearly income.
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Dead people tell no tales and they don’t pay taxes. When you die you are dead period. The money goes into an estate and a tax is levied on the estate. The estate is taxed it is not a death tax and no dead men ever paid a dime in taxes. Once you’re dead you can’t be insulted you have nothing to with managing your estate. You can’t take it with you if you could they could not tax it. You are dead you are no longer alive, and the money is no longer yours.
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Conservatives would insist the science books are nothing but lies but black magic from 2,000 years ago is the real truth. The school children would all join religious cults.
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Trump had absolutely nothing to do with the economy going up Obama had bought the economy back from the depths of a great depression things had been going steadily upward for years Trump took credit for riding Obama’s wave. Everyone knows that president can’t take credit for his first year in office because he has not had time to affect anything. If Trump took office after the last Republican great depression, he would not have made any progress. The projection for this quarter growth has been changed to 0% growth because of the Trump shut down.
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Obama inherited the Republican Great Depression, two major wars, along with all the Bush tax cuts for the ungodly greedy. If Romney had been elected, he would have given more tax cuts to ungodly greedy and the deficit would have been $4 trillion.
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The Republicans had repealed the laws that kept banks from becoming casinos and bank fraud was rampant. The House of Representative could not enforce banking laws or stop the fraud Baby Bush was the only one who could use the executive branch to enforce the law. The Bush family almost wiped out the saving and loan industry earlier.
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Subprime loans were not the problem. The financial Instruments created to place gambles were the problems. You could bet against your investments by buying credit default swaps. These were sold between banks once it was discovered that the housing loans that were bundled into financial instrument were fraudulent the credit default swaps were called in and the banks fell like dominos just as the did during the other Great Republican Depression.
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The meeting of the Republicans was held while the inauguration was in process at a Washington restaurant. Do you not understand that a filibuster requires 60 votes to pass anything and unless you have a super majority it does not matter? The Republicans filibustered everything. He only way Obamacare was passed was to use a parliamentary move that could not be filibustered but only a few things can be passed that way.
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Both of the prior secretaries of state used private servers. The Russians did not have all of Clinton e-mails or they would have released them. The FBI treated her just as they treated any other government employee in the past.
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You see what you want to see but the FBI and the other intelligence agencies believe he was dead serious, and the Russian attack followed directly after his request. This is what sparked the counter intelligence investigation.
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Trump was counting on that Russia had already hacked Clinton server and had them on hand. They had broken into the DNC server, but her use of a private server protected them from the Russians.
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Trump’s lies are too numerous to list, the last official count puts them over 10,000 and you can find them listed on the internet somewhere.
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If I didn’t delete e-mails at work, I would have had to go through 2,000 e-mails to find anything. If I didn’t need it, I deleted. The IT department might have a copy, but I didn’t
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Colin Powell advised Clinton on the use of a private server.
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There was no action taken against other government employees that had handled government information in the same way. I read Comey’s book and explanation I doubt you did. You only know the Fox news propaganda.
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If fox news didn’t tell you, you would not have a clue. Anything on Fox News is a lie or soon will be and that comes from their network.
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There are exceptions to every rule and the junk insurance was out lawed. There was a lot of policies that would cover you only if you got sick on the sixth Tuesday of the month.
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You have got to actually read a book sometime. Do you actually believe that all these people who had no insurance rose up to complain they could now get insurance? Do you think people were upset that other people could now afford insurance? Do you think all the people who had surpassed the million-dollar coverage limit were and covered were upset they could now get insurance? Do you think the adult children were upset that they could remain on their parent’s policy until 26? Who was upset? The billionaires because a tax was placed on them that they could not use a smart lawyer to get around. They launched a campaign to stir up a lynch mob at the Koch brothers annual gathering of billionaires.


Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 12 Feb, 2019 10:01 am
@Zardoz,
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It took at least 7 people to plan that attack. It is not only driving through a crowd, it is knowing where the best crowds are and what time a day to stage the attack. It is knowing which truck is best for just like knowing which gun is best to kill large numbers of people.

You are giving them to much credit, the attack took place on Bastille Day at the end of a fireworks display, how much "planning" do you think that really takes? I was also wrong, they killed 86 people and injured 434 in 5 minutes. As for the vehicle, all they had to do was pick a big one.

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Reaction causes and equal and opposite reaction.

This means nothing, like a majority of what you write.

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The Nazis were armed with assault weapons had helmets they came with the full intention of starting a fight.

Fact's proof links? This is the first I'm hearing of any of them being armed. As for the helmets, we know Antifa has a habit of attacking those they disagree with, so I don't blame them for having head protection. Have you seen the # of Antifa members who have been arrested for attacking people? In fact a couple of Antifa members with connections to DNC politicians are in court now for attacking 2 Marine Reservists in an unprovoked attack, because they "thought" they were Nazi's. It's a damn shame how you and the media stick up for those fascists.

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he Bostin Globe has posted pictures of the Nazis and White nationalists in full military garb and Make America Great hats.

Fact's proof links?

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Our government has far more socialist’s features than capitalist’s features.

We have far less "socialism" than you think we do but for to much for most Americans.

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They are now experimenting with a guaranteed wage whether you are working or not in parts of America.

That will be the death of our nation when we pay people to not work.

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Government agencies often don’t cooperate because of jealousy and a sense of competitiveness.

That has nothing to do with cities refusing to hand over criminal illegal immigrants who then go out and kill American citizens and police officers.
http://time.com/5490034/undocumented-immigrant-arrested-ca-cop-killing/

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I have thousands of books that would be impossible to set up links to. Sometimes on line they will let you preview a book. There is always the library.

Is this your latest excuse for not sharing links? At most you might have to add a couple of links to each post. Not that hard to do.

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One virus could easily kill everyone on this planet and one day that will no doubt happen, and the world will go right on spinning.

Unlikely, unless someone creates a super virus, but I have to ask, what does that have to do with the subject at hand?

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All borders are just lines on a map and Trump’s wall will redraw those lines making the United States smaller. The land outside of Trump’s wall might as well be in Mexico.

No, they are not just lines on a map, they actually denote sovereignty and where one nations or states laws end. If borders were just lines on the map, then our Constitutional rights would extend outside the US. The US will stay the same size as before, stop making things up.

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Memory is not nearly as reliable as people think it is.

This just proves how dishonest you actually are. Just a few months ago, you were talking about how a victims memory was infallible, now you cast doubt on memory?

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There are many people in jail today who were convicted on eyewitness testimony. When DNA testing came along many people were exonerated. We had a rapist working the local mall. Three women testified that it was a local man that raped them. You can’t get more-close up and personal than rape. One eyewitness testimony would be enough to convict you but three surely there could be no doubt. The man went to prison, but later DNA tests proved he didn’t do it and he was freed. The real mall rapist was caught three years later, and he had no resemblance to the man that was convicted of rape. Memory is not nearly as reliable as what you think it is.

So not all rape victims are reliable? Much different thing than you were saying back in Oct.

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Would you agree that Indians are not the same race as white men? Hispanics are not of the same race and white people. The percentage of Hispanics is ever growing.

Once again, here comes the left-wing dishonesty.

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That is when it became very obvious that capitalism was a failure in the farm sector.

Proof fact's links?

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The reality is capitalism is not a solution for every problem of government.

How do you know, you are a big govt supporter with little concern for the private sector. If you had it your way, everything would be public sector and no one would own any company.

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Did you sleep through American history while you were in school?

No, I remember the important parts, not just the "socialism" parts. There is tons of "history" you ignore because it makes leftists look bad.

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You have not been outside in a while because if you had been you would know the healthcare system is broken beyond repair.

"Being outside" has nothing to do with health insurance. Our system is actually breaking now because of the ACA, we need more of a free market in the health insurance market, not less. Competition breeds better prices and services. Govt can't do this because there is no incentive to lower costs or improve services.

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Capitalism failed the farmers and that is a fact.

Or did the farmers fail capitalism?

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Do you know what is wrong with Venezuela?

Yes, socialism.

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It is the distribution of wealth? It makes absolutely no difference how much wealth a country has if only a few people control the wealth of a country. Just because the billionaires are not having a problem does not mean others are not. The south American countries were established with an aristocracy based on wealth while America started with an egalitarian distribution of wealth. Once that distribution of wealth reaches a certain point the country will self-destructs until the distribution of wealth gets better. The babies are starving to death but the ungodly greedy are getting fat.

Nothing you have said here relates to the problems of Venazuela. Their problem is socialism and the restrictions it places on goods. No one has anything there, and the average person has lost well over 30 pounds. Socialism is starving them and per the usual case, only the "leaders" are doing well. As you can see compared to the US, our system would never allow such a thing to happen, unless you leftists get rid of the Constitution.

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The voters can change the constitution with amendments.

Sure they can, but it requires more than a simple vote, you have to have 2/3 of the states agree to make the change. You are never going to have the votes.

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It didn’t pay as well and there was no union.

So what you are saying is that you couldn't compete in the real world and had to work for the govt so you were protected from your own failures.

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In run away inflation one needs good representation.

Another throw away phrase with no meaning.

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They do tend to err on the low side. In fact, now they acknowledge that the Trump tax cut for the ungodly greedy will add another $1.6 trillion to the national debt.

That is still a far way off from the lie you told about $10 trillion, your rhetoric is your worst enemy.

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It could not add more than the $1 trillion to the national debt.

Where did it say that in the bill?

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If they made the tax cut permanent the tax bill would have been way over the $1 trillion.

You actually don't know that and can't prove it.

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So, the choice was to cut some of the huge tax cuts for the ungodly greedy or make the cuts temporary for the rest.

You have no idea how any of this works do you? In reality it required 60 votes to make the tax cuts permanent and the DNC didn't want to provide permanent tax cuts to Americans, they want the cuts to fail so they can blame Trump instead themselves for not voting for the tax cut.
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The sunsetting individual tax cuts were included in the bill so it complies with Senate rules that legislation can be passed with a simple majority only if it doesn't drive up the deficit 10 years after passage.


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The US is the biggest debtor nation in the world.

If that's true, which you have failed to prove it is, then how come we continue to hand money out around the world? I'd be fine if we stopped giving money out to every country who asked for it.

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When I am spending 7 hours on this checking a few more figures is more time than I have.

7 hours and you can't even provide links or facts to anything you say?

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That is taking things to far. We had a transgender woman show up at the council meeting and some people can pull it off, but she was not one who could. People mistakenly address people all the time. It should not rise to the level of a crime.

Well that is where we are headed thanks to the leftists in the US. When you fail to believe in free speech, you are not a free people.

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Do you realize that is not capitalism?

What isn't capitalism?

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Giving a foreign auto manufacturer $500 million makes it hard for the American manufacturers to compete against them. That is nice they bought a few jobs back, but they lost 2,000 because of our health insurance problems.

Who is giving out $500 million, you need to be more specific.

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I will bet your wrong there are tours where Americans go to Canada to buy drugs. Many Americans go to Canada and give a Canadian address to get medical treatment they can’t get here.

I'm not wrong, I provided proof and a link to what I said, which is more than you typically do. I back up what I say with proof.

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This scare tactic is just that when people were followed to get treatment in Canada it was far faster than in America.

I provided facts to back my claims, all you do is doubt and then make claims which you don't back up.

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I tried to get an appointment with a doctor after I was involved in a car accident. The doctor’s office gave me an application to fill out and said they would let me know a month later I got a letter stating they were not accepting new patients by that time I didn’t need to see a doctor.

How long ago was this, 20 years, like a majority of the BS lies you tell.

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In Canada the doctors don’t get to pick and choose their patients.

So Canada is less free than the US. Choice is a key component of freedom.

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In America it is the insurance company that decides whether you get medical care or not whether you get drugs or not.

That just isn't true and you know it. I've never been denied care and neither have you.

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The only facts are that we must catch a ride with Russians after Reagan cut the taxes on the ungodly greedy by 70%.

You keep repeating that lie and maybe one day someone else will believe you. Reality isn't your strong point is it? The shuttle program was new under Reagan and we had 4 shuttles, what does that have to do with 30 years later and Obama handing over control of space to Russia?

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The conservatives are convinced that the private sector can do it better and so we are going to get four-minute amusement rides in space in lieu of a space program.

What space program, Obama killed it during his administration and said we could grab a ride to space from the Russians.

You complain about space travel being done by private companies, but how close was NASA to civilian space travel after 50 years of spending money on a space program? They weren't even close and never considered civilians going into space.

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That was the Rush Slimbaugh propaganda when you read the actual books written by the people involved you realize that Slimbaugh’s story is just propaganda to protect the guilty.

I don't listen to Limbaugh, so I don't know what you are talking about.

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It had absolutely nothing to do with subprime and everything to do with down outright fraud.

It was fraud which stemmed from the sub-prime loans. When those sub-prime loans started to fail, the banks started to group the bad loans with the good loans. It was a combination of the loans and fraud.

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The Republicans removed the regulations from the banking that let them act as a Casino and you know what happens in Casinos.

Republicans? I'm sorry, this was done in the 90's and Clinton signed the law, so get your history right.

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I don’t know about, but my television was just as good with an antenna band with or not.

Your antenna was lucky to pull 10 channels at the most, where cable TV allowed for hundreds of channels even before the switch from analog to digital signals.

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I am beginning to see some of the KKK ‘s philosophy creep into your posts especially about immigration whether is seeping into the mainstream media or coming from other posts I don’t know.

Just stop with the BS. Unless you are going to claim everyone but the left has KKK thoughts about immigration, you have no leg to stand on.

I'll say this again though for the last time. I'm the father of 2 mixed race boys, my ex-wife is black, so you can drop the BS about racism.

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The sentence did not say anything about S&P 400. I have quoted that sentence.

You are lying about your own source. That article very clearly said it was CEO salaries from the S&P 400. Here is a link directly from your own article and source:
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CEO Pay vs. Worker Pay
In the table below, we show the ratio of CEO pay to median worker pay for companies listed in the S&P 500.[1]

https://www.glassdoor.com/research/ceo-pay-ratio/
See how easy it is to prove your lies.

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On CNBC they said that CEO should be paid no more than 20 times the average employee’s salary instead of 207 times and they are going to start pushing to get companies to comply.

Who are they to make that call? Comply with what, some BS regulation passed by the DNC politicians? It won't pass Constitutional muster and you know it.

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The Russian attack was far worse and caused a 100-times as much damage and it is still ongoing.

What damage was done? Distrust in the political system? You can thank Obama and the DNC for that one.

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The Russian have has had under continuous attack for two years. And the president thinks that it could be a 400 lb. man sitting on his bed.

2 years? People such as myself balked at Obama when he said Climate Change was a bigger geo-political foe than Russia was. In 2012 Obama was caught on a hot mic saying he would have more flexibility after the election. That sounds like plans to sell out the US. Obama and Hillary's failed "Russian Reset" was just what the Russians needed to start acting against the US. Good job Obama.

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That was no joke he was as serious as a heart attack.

No, it was a joke. How can the Russians hack deleted emails? How can they hack a server that already had Bleach Bit applied?

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As soon as Trump gave the speech the Russian launched another attack.

Proof? Which attack was this one and how as it proved, neither Hillary's server nor the DNC systems were looked at by the FBI, they hid those.

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You do understand some e-mails are private and should remain that way.

This is why they say not to do private emails on your work system. I never do personal emails from my work email, why would I? Private emails or not, her private server in her house was used for govt emails and that is illegal. She never even used her govt issued email account, we know this because we have found the emails with the fake accounts. Nothing she did with that server was legal.

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Those countries that have higher taxes have much better benefits.

I see less freedom to do what you want with your money. Countries like that act as if the money is theirs first and you get what's left over.

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You are blinded by the ungodly greedys’ propaganda that the only tax you pay is income tax when there are 100s of taxes and when they are added up they might add up to 50% when you add state tax, gas tax, property tax, tax on your phone, tax on your cable TV, tax on your utilities and other taxes that are passed along.

With all those taxes being charged, we know who the real greedy ones are. If it's not yours and you want it, it's greed.

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You still haven’t faced up to the Russian military’s contribution. They finally came up with a number of how much influence the Russians had. They have found out that the Russian cyber attacks and social media attack s made a 3.79% difference in the outcome of the election. Meaning without the Russian help Trump would have lost in a landslide. Trump would have lost by 15 million votes.

Fact's link proof?

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There are 200 different taxes at all levels of government combined, city, state, Federal, and county.

And you want to add more and make the existing ones even higher.

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If you read the speech in congress that introduced the income tax bill it clearly states it was a tax levied on excess “wealth.”

There is no such thing as excess wealth and we don't tax wealth, we tax income.

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Those that are making over $200,000 have 90% of the income so if they have 90% of the income, they should pay 90% of the taxes even without a progressive tax system, but they are only paying 58% of the taxes. We are not talking about wealth they have 90% of the income wealth would be far worse.

You are so wrong I can't even explain it, this is just a bunch of socialist rhetoric.

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If you didn’t have money one day and you had money the next that is clearly income.

If someone walks up to you and gives you $5, should you contact the IRS so you can pay income tax on that $5?

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Dead people tell no tales and they don’t pay taxes. When you die you are dead period. The money goes into an estate and a tax is levied on the estate. The estate is taxed it is not a death tax and no dead men ever paid a dime in taxes. Once you’re dead you can’t be insulted you have nothing to with managing your estate. You can’t take it with you if you could they could not tax it. You are dead you are no longer alive, and the money is no longer yours.

You support robbing the dead.

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Conservatives would insist the science books are nothing but lies but black magic from 2,000 years ago is the real truth. The school children would all join religious cults.

This coming from a person who supports the left-wings theory that there are more than 2 genders when science disagree's.

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Trump had absolutely nothing to do with the economy going up Obama had bought the economy back from the depths of a great depression things had been going steadily upward for years Trump took credit for riding Obama’s wave.

Obama never saw above 2% growth and said we would never see it again. He said it would require a magic wand... Trump proved him wrong and has double the GDP growth to what Obama said wasn't possible.

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Everyone knows that president can’t take credit for his first year in office because he has not had time to affect anything. If Trump took office after the last Republican great depression, he would not have made any progress. The projection for this quarter growth has been changed to 0% growth because of the Trump shut down.

Lies, there has been no such projection made.

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The Republicans had repealed the laws that kept banks from becoming casinos and bank fraud was rampant. The House of Representative could not enforce banking laws or stop the fraud Baby Bush was the only one who could use the executive branch to enforce the law. The Bush family almost wiped out the saving and loan industry earlier.

Who was President when those laws were changed? Clinton.

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Subprime loans were not the problem.

Yes they were. People failed to watch what was happening with their loans and when the loan percentage went up, they were caught off guard, one month their payment was $1200 the next it was $2000. They couldn't make the payments and tons of people started defaulting on their loans.

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The financial Instruments created to place gambles were the problems. You could bet against your investments by buying credit default swaps. These were sold between banks once it was discovered that the housing loans that were bundled into financial instrument were fraudulent the credit default swaps were called in and the banks fell like dominos just as the did during the other Great Republican Depression.

So the loans did have an effect...

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The meeting of the Republicans was held while the inauguration was in process at a Washington restaurant.

Proof facts links?

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Do you not understand that a filibuster requires 60 votes to pass anything and unless you have a super majority it does not matter? The Republicans filibustered everything. He only way Obamacare was passed was to use a parliamentary move that could not be filibustered but only a few things can be passed that way.

I understand Obama had a massive majority in both houses.

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Both of the prior secretaries of state used private servers.

No they didn't. They had private email accounts, not private servers.

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The Russians did not have all of Clinton e-mails or they would have released them.

As far as we know the Russians had none of her emails, she deleted them with Bleach Bit. Not even the govt had all her emails because she violated the law and deleted them before turning them over.

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The FBI treated her just as they treated any other government employee in the past.

No they didn't, Clinton got special treatment.

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You see what you want to see but the FBI and the other intelligence agencies believe he was dead serious, and the Russian attack followed directly after his request.

You mean the Obama admin thought he was serious, the bias was clear from the Obama admin the lies they told.

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This is what sparked the counter intelligence investigation.

Wrong. It was the lie of a dossier which has been proven to be filled with lies.

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Trump was counting on that Russia had already hacked Clinton server and had them on hand.

If she had been using her govt email address, she wouldn't have been worried about Russia hacking her email.

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They had broken into the DNC server, but her use of a private server protected them from the Russians.

She should have been using here govt assigned email. State dept rules said as much, her server was illegal and was likely hacked by China and Russia.

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Trump’s lies are too numerous to list, the last official count puts them over 10,000 and you can find them listed on the internet somewhere.

If only the MSM had been this studious about the lies of Obama.

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If I didn’t delete e-mails at work, I would have had to go through 2,000 e-mails to find anything. If I didn’t need it, I deleted. The IT department might have a copy, but I didn’t

Tech is not your friend. I hardly delete any work emails, there are regulations on such things.

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Colin Powell advised Clinton on the use of a private server.

You are confusing email account with email server. Fact's proof links?

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There was no action taken against other government employees that had handled government information in the same way. I read Comey’s book and explanation I doubt you did. You only know the Fox news propaganda.

I didn't need to read his book, I know how govt information is suppose to be handled, and she did it wrong. The question is always this. The restricted network is separated from the public network, how did documents from the restricted network get to the public network? There is zero network links between the 2 networks.

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If fox news didn’t tell you, you would not have a clue. Anything on Fox News is a lie or soon will be and that comes from their network.

I guess you don't pay to close attention to what is said. I don't have cable and i don't watch cable news.

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There are exceptions to every rule and the junk insurance was out lawed. There was a lot of policies that would cover you only if you got sick on the sixth Tuesday of the month.

Lies. So much for "if you like your insurance you can keep it". It didn't matter if you liked your plan or not, Obama was going to take it away. Because like all leftists, they think they know what is better for you than you do.





























Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2019 01:33 am
@Baldimo,
There big crowds of people getting off work each day. There are huge concerts and sporting events. The lay of the land was important security was also an important consideration. As terrorist attacks with a vehicle go this was the most successful. “If you fail to plan then you can plan to fail.”
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The KKK and the Nazis will always cause an opposite force to be generated. The population of America will not sit silently by as the Nazis and KKK seize political power in America like they did in Germany. History’s lesson was crystal clear nip it in the bud.
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There are a set of pictures posted by the Boston Globe. It is labeled “Photos: Violence in Charlottesville” The picture is #13 these guys didn’t come to start a fight they came armed to teeth to start a war.
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This picture will say more than a thousand words. When you take four clips for your assault weapon you are not planning on target practicing. This looks just like pre-world war two with the Nazis marching down the street. It is easy to tell the difference between Antifa and the Nazis. The Nazis are the ones with assault weapons and three spare clips. The Antifa just look run of the mil trouble makers.
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I listed the information above. Links are beyond my skill set. All I did was a simple google search “Charlottesville Riot” to find the pictures.
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Outside of the commercial market place where else do you find it all goes to highest bidder system and even in the commercial market place the farm programs use socialist measure to ensure there are enough product and not an oversupply. Few big businesses build their businesses without being heavily subsidized by millions of tax payer dollars so even the tiny fraction left is not capitalist. Capitalism died when big businesses started sticking out their hand to take taxpayer money. Five hundred million in subsidies are not uncommon now that is not capitalism. Capitalism just hasn’t keeled over yet. Let the public take the risk but privatize the profit.
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What they are finding out so far is that some start their own business and the wage continues to be paid until the business gets off the ground.
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It is not a refusal to hand them it is a refusal to hold them in custody while ICE comes up with excuses why they can’t come get them been there done that. Would it have made any difference if an American with an AR-15 killed the policeman? He would be just as dead.
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The Indians died because they had no immunity to the viruses the white men had. The germs made it possible for the white man to take America we could suffer the same fate. Most of the species that have existed since the beginning of time are no longer here to believe mankind can escape that fate is foolish. One war killed 80 million people and the driving force behind that war is alive and well in America today and Trump calls them “very fine people.”
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Have the border lines remained the same throughout the world or have they changed? Just lines on a map that can be and are changed. They’re not in stone. They can not even get a fire truck to help those people when their barn caught fire. How are you going to get police protection there? Every policeman would have to carry a key by the time he unlocked the gate and then locked the gate behind they would no longer need a policeman. They just might as well be in Mexico.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++The memory of a rape victims who is raped by an acquaintance rape is 96% accurate but stranger rape is far lower and many men have been falsely convicted and later exonerated with DNA testing. There is not a problem with acquaintance rapist be exonerated later. With the study of memory everyone would still remember that Kennedy was shot but what they reported doing at the time changed. Your astronaut will always remember being to the moon, but his memory of the rocks will change. For instance, I will always remember going to high school, but I only remember a few of my teachers.
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It is easy to identify an acquaintance because you have a catalogue of memories of that person, but you have only a few minutes with a stranger and nothing to anchor them to the person. People are more open to suggestion when identifying strangers. One of the guys I worked with claimed this guy had raped his wife which no doubt got his picture in the lineup. He was in the area and he was a sexual offender, but he was not the mall rapist. He was paid a million dollars for his time in jail.
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Different types of rape there is stranger rape and acquaintance rape. Think how easy it is to identify an acquaintance and how difficult it is to identify a complete stranger. Different animals and different results.
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It was a simple question, are there different races or not.
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“In 1933, with many farmers losing money because of the Great Depression, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the Agriculture Adjustment Act, which created the Agriculture Adjustment Administration (AAA). The AAA began to regulate agricultural production by destroying crops and artificially reducing supplies.”

Wikipedia: “Agricultural Policy of the United States.”
When the taxpayers are kicking in $500 million to the biggest corporation in the world. It seems that the only thing that is private is the profit.
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Without the left there would be no America. The conservatives aided the enemy because they wanted to remain an English colony. Frankly I don’t know who let the conservatives back into the country after they were banished to England.
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Being in a hospital for a few days will show you it is broke. In just 30 years have destroyed what use to be decent standard of living. The cost of health insurance went up by 2,900% and that does not cover the deductibles soared from a $100 to $1500. The 100% policy no longer exists now it requires a 20% copay. Open heart surgery will cost you $30,000 out of pocket. This was long before Obamacare in fact Obamacare was an attempt to cure the mess. Health Insurance is no longer provided free by the employer. Employee must pay $185 or better a month. Tell me health Insurance is not broken. When health insurance went through the roof pay raises became far more infrequent. There had been nothing but competition and bought nothing but higher and higher prices.
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Capitalism works for TV sets because you don’t have to buy a TV. But farmers had only one way to make more money and that was to grow more crops. When they grew more crops, the price went down. The law of supply and demand prove true. The only solution was to control supply and that is exactly what they did.
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What is wrong with Venezuela is the distribution of wealth. You have a few extremely rich and the 99% can’t afford food. When a few extremely wealthy have the vast majority of wealth. The wealth of the country is dead ended and does not turn over in the economy. This is coming to America sooner than you think.
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Everything I said relates to Venezuela the only way to solve Venezuela’s problems now is a revolution where all the rich are killed and their wealth nationalized. When people start starving, they will revolt. Isn’t it funny how socialism doesn’t starve the ungodly greedy and neither does capitalism. Many people in America were worse off during the Great Depression until the agriculture system was socialized.
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That has been done before the constitution was amended.
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You have never tried to make a living during double digit inflation. Inflation was pinching everybody and if it came down to the business owner maintaining his life style or his employees maintaining theirs the business owner won hands down. Nixon even instituted price controls. Republican socialism.
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I just didn’t check the figure that was lazy on my part, but the fact is that the estimate has went up 60% in only a year what will it be after 10 years?
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The bill did not specify the $1 trillion added to the deficit, but it had to adhere to congressional rules that require it not create more than a trillion debt.
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I know that for a fact there was a lot of discussion of that fact on the news at the time and that is why they could not make the tax cut for the middle class permanent. They needed to lose the middle-class part of the tax cut to make the bill meet specifications set by congressional bill.
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You are lost in time. The original tax cuts were passed with permanent tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires in Nov 2017 and but the tax cuts for the middle class would expire. When the Republicans hit the campaign trail and were booed off the stage over their tax cut for the billionaires and millionaires, they realized they were going to lose 40 seats in the House they went back to the drawing board in Sept 28, 2018 and decided they would try and make the middle-class taxes permanent in a last ditch effort before the election. The Republicans could have cared less when the original bill passed. All they had to do was trim a little from the billionaires and millionaires but the they didn’t. I don’t think if it passed that it would be overturned because they are already $600,000 what they were allowed.
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I gave you the source for the top biggest debtor nations and the top 10 biggest creditor nation, I think America was listed as number 6 on the list but the list is ordered by debt as percentage of GNP. Meaning smaller countries may have a debt that is a bigger share of their GNP, but the actual dollar debt will be much higher in large countries with bigger GNPs. America does some foreign aid, but it is a smaller percentage than other countries. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Links are above my skill level. Once you get older you really have no desire to learn more technical skills.
I have provided a lot of facts and direct quotes.
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That may go in England or Canada, but it has not been proposed in America yet.
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Do you realize that politicians now use tax payer money to bid on private businesses? Three cities bid against each other to get the Amazon distribution center. That is not capitalism because tax payer money is used to subsidize one business against its competitors.
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That was the deal offered to Toyota and Mercedes got a similar package deal to build an SUV factory in Georgia. Part of the deal even required the state to purchase Mercedes SUVs for state vehicles.
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Your link provided one example of someone that would have no doubt died in the first place. There are 1.4 million Americans will go outside the country for medical care because it is too expensive in America.

“1.4 Million Americans Will go Abroad for Medical Care this Year. Should You?”
Source: The Fiscal Times
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Watch the film “Sicko” and you can follow someone as they go through the medical system in Canada.
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It took place in 2005 but I went through a similar experience last summer. I had a problem that was causing me a considerable amount of pain. I called a specialist and had an appointment for the next Monday, but they called back and said the insurance turned it down and I would have to go to my GP first. It took a couple of weeks to get an appointment with the GP and I was treated by a physician’s assistant who had no idea what to do. Two weeks later I got into see the specialist and the problem was solved overnight. That was four wasted weeks of pain for no reason.
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In America they can refuse whole groups of patients you will often see the sign not taking Medicaid patients.
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How little you know. I had been on a city drug program for 40 years with no problem. But after I retired, we were put on a Blue Cross plan. You quickly learn it isn’t the doctor that decides what drugs you take it is the insurance company. The insurance company quickly refused to pay for one of the expensive drugs my wife takes. She talked to her doctor and was able to buy the drug direct from the factory for $80. Next, they picked another drug she had been taking and refused to authorize it. And that is exactly what they do with medical care they have doctors that get paid bonuses based on how many medical procedures they turn down. The insurance company decides if you get medical care. The doctors are trained that they are not refusing care just payment for care.
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When you run a country in to a tremendous amount of debt it limits what you can do in the future. When Reagan tripled the debt the interest rates were through the roof. So, Reagan borrowed the debt at 16% interest my mom still has treasury bonds at that rate. You can’t spend money twice. If you had borrowed three times your salary you would have very little money to spend.
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When you triple the debt, you limit your options.
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The space program has been privatized because everyone knows conservatives believe the private sectors always does it better. Space X is putting satellites in orbit until Trumps wall puts him out of business. Richard Branson will take you into space for $250,000.
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You have encountered Slimbaugh excuses somewhere.
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The loans across all spectrum failed not just subprime. The rules separate the profit from the consequences. The bankers making the loans were making money hand over fist. The more loans they made the more commissions they made and there was no downside because the loans were sold as soon as they were made and if they defaulted it didn’t matter. The big banks were buying the loans and putting them into financial instrument with bundles of 100s of loans. Then they too sold the financial instruments to investors and they had no downside until one guy started to actually check what was in the instruments and he made billions buying up credit default swaps that had to be paid. What makes you think that fraud would only occur in the subprime sector which made up only a small fraction of the loans that failed. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
That was only one regulation and wall street bought Clinton off that is why the money has to be taken out of politics. Presidents don’t make laws and the Republican congress passed that law. Republicans have tried to repeal all the laws that were put in place to prevent another Great Depression.
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We got television with an antenna for years and I didn’t miss anything but the cable bill. If you only watch 3 it does not matter if you have 300 channels. You are just paying for a bunch of garbage you don’t watch.
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The KKK is not worried so much about immigration as race. If it was white people coming across the border they would not be concerned. There are black people that are every bit as racist as white people.
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The article may have been clear, but the lead sentence said that the average CEO’s was making $13.2 million, and they did not qualify it. Your problem is with the source.
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That is the same source I used, and it gives the same figure 204 times and it should be no more than 20.
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At some point the actual contribution must reflect the compensation and 204 times does not reflect their contribution.
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Putting an idiot in as President for one thing and he did damage around the world to our reputation and to our allies. Don Jr was on the phone with the head of Wikileaks who advised that if Trump, lost he was not to concede the election but to insist it was rigged and the head Wikileaks works hand in hand with Putin. Russia is calling the shots. Wikileaks has never publishes any of Russia secrets. The DNC is not investigating the Russian cyber attacks all of the intelligence agencies are.
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Climate change will eventually put an end to mankind. Poland never thought Germany was a threat until the Nazis marched in. He might have more flexibility, but the Russian didn’t own his soul. So far Trump has followed Putin’s wish list to letter except on killing the sanctions on Russia where the Senate overrode Trump’s veto 98 to 2.
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All the intelligence agencies and Russia knew Trump was dead serious and acted that way. You need to watch the Tonight show so you will know what a joke is and how jokes are constructed. Jokes are funny and there is nothing funny about prodding a foreign power to attack your country. You might remember that e-mails have two or more copies and just because one user deleted the e-mail doesn’t mean the other user has. Most of those 30,000 are copied to someone else and since the Russian military has unlimited resources that should not be a problem.

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The 17-intelligence agency were monitoring the Russian hackers and when Trump called for the attack they were waiting. The Russians tried to hack Hillary’s personal server on the day Trump called for the e-mails
“Russians tried to Hack Clinton Server on the Day Trump Urged E-Mail Search”
Source: The Guardian
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Almost everything on Clinton’s server was private with a vey few that were restricted. How about the fact that the computer is the only one you have at work. The city did not want your private computer hooked into their system.

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Those countries provide a better quality of life.
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They are not going to pass out the ungodly greedy’ money that money would go to pay off the $21 trillion debt and rebuild the infrastructure instead Trump’s proposal of making every road in America a toll road. It has nothing to do with greed on my part.

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There is a link, but I am not going to look for it at 1 am.
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I want to see that a tax on excess wealth actually be placed on “excess wealth.”
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All you have to do is look at the fact that the tax on excess wealth was placed only on income that would be over a $100,000 in today’s dollars. No working man was taxed under the original bill only those with excess wealth.
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I don’t know how to explain it to you it is like trying to explain rain to someone that has never seen it. One more shot say group A has 92 apples while group B has 8 apples. If a 1% tax is placed on apples Group A would owe 92 cents and group B would owe 8 cents. But in your case, those making over $200,000 are only paying 58% instead of the 92% that is their share on a 1 to 1 tax ratio. In other words, they are actually paying far less that what is fair. The income is so far skewed in America that it distorts common sense.
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That is not likely but if someone walked up and gave me $15-million I would report it.

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You are not robbing the dead they can not take it with them.
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I know the sun rotates around the earth all you have to do is watch.
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The economy had been expanding for years and Trump was so upset about Obama’s low unemployment numbers that he claimed they were fixed. If you borrowed a trillion dollars it would make your economy go up. When you live by borrowed money you die by borrowed money.
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No president can ever take credit for what happens in his first year. Trump had not passed any legislation that would affect the economy. That projection was made by several people on Wall Street you need to watch the financial channel because the shutdown cost the economy $6 trillion.

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Clinton was president and he was owned by the Wall Street billionaires, but the Republicans wrote the legislation that is what they are all about is getting rid of regulations.
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Do you know what a subprime loan is? That is a loan given to someone whose credit rating is lower than what a bank might accept. What you are thinking of is variable interest loans where the interest can be raised when interest goes up. The interest is fixed in traditional mortgage loans.
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Subprime loans would have never caused the second great depression people default on loans all the time it was the high stakes gambling and fraud by the banks.
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I am Not looking for that link at this late hour.
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Obama never had a filibuster proof majority and that means the minority can block everything.
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Both previous secretaries of state used private servers they may not have been in their basement, but
they used them.
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The Russians were caught red handed breaking into Clinton’s server right after Trump urged them to. The e-mails exist because they were e-mailed to someone else.

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If you paid attention, they laid out their case in front of the public telling them what happened and what happened to other employees who mishandled e-mails. The Treatment was exactly the same.
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It is the Trump administration intelligence agencies that believe Trump invited the Russian military to attack the United States and that he was dead serious.
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Most of the Steele dossier has now been confirmed. Steele was the top expert in the world on Russia and had the most reliable contacts in Russia. If you watched the news you know that Trump’s call for Russia to attack America came months before the Steele dossier came out.
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Do think they could not hack a government server? The Russians have already hacked government servers.
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If China had it Wikileaks would have released them by now.
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No president in history ever told a tiny fraction of the lies Trump tells. Trump brags about being a liar in his books he is proud of it.
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I had 1500 e-mails on my home computer, but my wife now deletes them.
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If they didn’t go through the government server, they went through a private server.
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The head of the FBI handled the previous cases and he did not treat anyone any different.
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The cable news is available on line.
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If you go to the hospital with junk insurance the people with insurance pay the bill you can’t by paying higher insurance premiums. I don’t want to pay your medical bills because you have junk insurance.
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There big crowds of people getting off work each day. There are huge concerts and sporting events. The lay of the land was important security was also an important consideration. As terrorist attacks with a vehicle go this was the most successful. “If you fail to plan then you can plan to fail.”

Desperation is evident in your posts.

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The KKK and the Nazis will always cause an opposite force to be generated. The population of America will not sit silently by as the Nazis and KKK seize political power in America like they did in Germany. History’s lesson was crystal clear nip it in the bud.

Fear mongering at it's best. What you describe will never happen as the people you are talking about are a very small minority. We face a greater danger from the Socialists.

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There are a set of pictures posted by the Boston Globe. It is labeled “Photos: Violence in Charlottesville” The picture is #13 these guys didn’t come to start a fight they came armed to teeth to start a war.

That's funny, if a war was what they wanted, it would have happened. The truth is that Antifa is known to start violence and these guys wanted to make sure it didn't happen.

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Outside of the commercial market place where else do you find it all goes to highest bidder system and even in the commercial market place the farm programs use socialist measure to ensure there are enough product and not an oversupply.

No they don't and you can't prove that they do. What socialist measure are you talking about, the farmers not owning their land and the farm workers controlling the farm? That's what happens in a socialist economy.

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Few big businesses build their businesses without being heavily subsidized by millions of tax payer dollars so even the tiny fraction left is not capitalist.

This isn't even close to the truth. The majority of private companies are not subsidized by taxpayer dollars, they are paid for by investors and venture capitalists. You don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about.

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Capitalism died when big businesses started sticking out their hand to take taxpayer money. Five hundred million in subsidies are not uncommon now that is not capitalism. Capitalism just hasn’t keeled over yet. Let the public take the risk but privatize the profit.

More BS you can't prove. You wanna talk $500 million wasted and the tax payer screwed, Solynda. Thank you Pres Obama.

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What they are finding out so far is that some start their own business and the wage continues to be paid until the business gets off the ground.

What are you talking about? When a business starts, do you know who the last person paid is? The owner, workers get paid first and many business owners make little or no money for the first few years they start their business. Workers take no risk when a new company starts, the company fails and they find another job, they have no debt to pay off or banks to pay back, they go on their merry way.

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It is not a refusal to hand them it is a refusal to hold them in custody while ICE comes up with excuses why they can’t come get them been there done that.

Stop lying, the cities don't even notify ICE when they are releasing someone who has a immigration retainer on them. The illegal immigrant goes free and then kills an American citizen, it has happened more times then the media will report.

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Would it have made any difference if an American with an AR-15 killed the policeman? He would be just as dead.

This isn't even close to what the reality of the issue is. How many Americans were released while another Federal agency had a retainer out for them? The answer is none, so your "what if" is pointless and ignores the reality.

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The Indians died because they had no immunity to the viruses the white men had.

That's exactly what I said, why repeat it as your own statement?

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The germs made it possible for the white man to take America we could suffer the same fate.

No, it wasn't germs that made it possible, it was actually tech that allowed the US to be settled.

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Most of the species that have existed since the beginning of time are no longer here to believe mankind can escape that fate is foolish.

You fail to understand that the death of those species was mostly due to lack of adaptability to their environment. We don't have that issue as you can see by humans living everywhere across the planet in the harshest of environment.

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One war killed 80 million people and the driving force behind that war is alive and well in America today and Trump calls them “very fine people.”


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Have the border lines remained the same throughout the world or have they changed?

We aren't talking about the world, we are talking about the US and it's border with Mexico, which you seem to think doesn't exist...

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They can not even get a fire truck to help those people when their barn caught fire. How are you going to get police protection there? Every policeman would have to carry a key by the time he unlocked the gate and then locked the gate behind they would no longer need a policeman. They just might as well be in Mexico.


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It was a simple question, are there different races or not.

It was a racist question.

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“In 1933, with many farmers losing money because of the Great Depression, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the Agriculture Adjustment Act, which created the Agriculture Adjustment Administration (AAA). The AAA began to regulate agricultural production by destroying crops and artificially reducing supplies.”

Did you know it was also found unConstitutinal by the SCOTUS? It is also stated that the farm industry was saved due to WWII.

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You have never tried to make a living during double digit inflation.

Nope those days ended when Reagan changed US policy on taxes, we should never see such high inflation again.

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Without the left there would be no America. The conservatives aided the enemy because they wanted to remain an English colony. Frankly I don’t know who let the conservatives back into the country after they were banished to England.

What sort of lies are you telling now? The left is doing everything they can to be everything but American. The left supported Communist countries over their own country. The left is filled with unAmerican traitors.

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Being in a hospital for a few days will show you it is broke.

I guess no one gets better when they go to the hospital, such a broken system.

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In just 30 years have destroyed what use to be decent standard of living. The cost of health insurance went up by 2,900% and that does not cover the deductibles soared from a $100 to $1500. The 100% policy no longer exists now it requires a 20% copay. Open heart surgery will cost you $30,000 out of pocket. This was long before Obamacare in fact Obamacare was an attempt to cure the mess. Health Insurance is no longer provided free by the employer. Employee must pay $185 or better a month. Tell me health Insurance is not broken. When health insurance went through the roof pay raises became far more infrequent. There had been nothing but competition and bought nothing but higher and higher prices.

Thank you govt regulations for making our system worse. I know how to fix it, more govt laws and regulations, that's the answer.

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Capitalism works for TV sets because you don’t have to buy a TV. But farmers had only one way to make more money and that was to grow more crops. When they grew more crops, the price went down. The law of supply and demand prove true. The only solution was to control supply and that is exactly what they did.

Except like i noted, the law you speak about was deemed unConstitutioal in 1936. You should really do more research before you post.

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What is wrong with Venezuela is the distribution of wealth. You have a few extremely rich and the 99% can’t afford food. When a few extremely wealthy have the vast majority of wealth. The wealth of the country is dead ended and does not turn over in the economy. This is coming to America sooner than you think.

Socialism was suppose to fix the problem, it only made it worse. Just like it does everywhere it's tried. Failure after failure but socialism will always find it's useful idiots.

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Everything I said relates to Venezuela the only way to solve Venezuela’s problems now is a revolution where all the rich are killed and their wealth nationalized. When people start starving, they will revolt. Isn’t it funny how socialism doesn’t starve the ungodly greedy and neither does capitalism. Many people in America were worse off during the Great Depression until the agriculture system was socialized.

Except for the killing part, they did that already. You are 20 years to late as the solution has already failed. You don't really pay attention do you.

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That has been done before the constitution was amended.

What are you talking about?

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You have never tried to make a living during double digit inflation. Inflation was pinching everybody and if it came down to the business owner maintaining his life style or his employees maintaining theirs the business owner won hands down. Nixon even instituted price controls. Republican socialism.

It failed as well, as it should have.

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You are lost in time. The original tax cuts were passed with permanent tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires in Nov 2017 and but the tax cuts for the middle class would expire.

Wrong, the permanent tax cuts were for business's, not just rich people. You have a twisted view of what a business is. You know your local plumber, he got the tax cut because he owns a business, is he a millionaire?

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When the Republicans hit the campaign trail and were booed off the stage over their tax cut for the billionaires and millionaires, they realized they were going to lose 40 seats in the House they went back to the drawing board in Sept 28, 2018 and decided they would try and make the middle-class taxes permanent in a last ditch effort before the election. The Republicans could have cared less when the original bill passed. All they had to do was trim a little from the billionaires and millionaires but the they didn’t. I don’t think if it passed that it would be overturned because they are already $600,000 what they were allowed.

You make up so many things and think they are reality.

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America does some foreign aid, but it is a smaller percentage than other countries.

I don't care about percentage, I care about raw dollars and no one in the world gives away as much money as the US does. It needs to stop.

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Links are above my skill level. Once you get older you really have no desire to learn more technical skills.

Your are just lazy, it has nothing to do with ones age. My father is likely older than you and he has no issues with technology, as I said, you are just lazy.

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I have provided a lot of facts and direct quotes.

No you haven't, that's a lie. I disproved so many things you have posted with real facts it almost isn't funny any more.

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That may go in England or Canada, but it has not been proposed in America yet.

It sure has been proposed here, hate speech legislation?

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Do you realize that politicians now use tax payer money to bid on private businesses?

They don't offer taxpayer money, what they offer is tax breaks but as far as I know, no money is given to the business. They offer to build roads and other infrastructure items to being an area up to code for commercial properties.

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Three cities bid against each other to get the Amazon distribution center.

It was actually closer to 20+ cities and it wasn't for a distribution center, we have 2 of those in the Denver metro area. It was for their 2nd headquarters and Denver was one of the cities in the running.

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That is not capitalism because tax payer money is used to subsidize one business against its competitors.

You don't have the slightest idea how any of this works do you? I actually have no problem with cities or states doing this, it brings jobs to the area and that is something that should be a concern of a local politician, more workers means more tax dollars.

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That was the deal offered to Toyota and Mercedes got a similar package deal to build an SUV factory in Georgia. Part of the deal even required the state to purchase Mercedes SUVs for state vehicles.

Fact's proof links?

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Your link provided one example of someone that would have no doubt died in the first place. There are 1.4 million Americans will go outside the country for medical care because it is too expensive in America.

“1.4 Million Americans Will go Abroad for Medical Care this Year. Should You?”
Source: The Fiscal Times

1.4 million out of 325 million, that's a fraction of the population.

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Watch the film “Sicko” and you can follow someone as they go through the medical system in Canada.

A Michael Moore film? I'll get better facts watching a Star Trek TV show.

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It took place in 2005 but I went through a similar experience last summer. I had a problem that was causing me a considerable amount of pain. I called a specialist and had an appointment for the next Monday, but they called back and said the insurance turned it down and I would have to go to my GP first. It took a couple of weeks to get an appointment with the GP and I was treated by a physician’s assistant who had no idea what to do. Two weeks later I got into see the specialist and the problem was solved overnight. That was four wasted weeks of pain for no reason.

The insurance turned it down because you have an HMO type plan and need approval from your GP to see a specialist. Don't lie about the process, I have an EPO type insurance and I can go see who I want when I want, no prior approval required. Maybe you should get better insurance.

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In America they can refuse whole groups of patients you will often see the sign not taking Medicaid patients.

They are not refusing patients, they are refusing to accept the insurance. Doctors like everyone else likes to be paid for the services. Medicaid doesn't pay a doctor what they are really worth, it's one of the down sides to socialized medicine as the govt decides what that Dr. should be paid and the Dr. has no say in it.

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When you run a country in to a tremendous amount of debt it limits what you can do in the future. When Reagan tripled the debt the interest rates were through the roof. So, Reagan borrowed the debt at 16% interest my mom still has treasury bonds at that rate. You can’t spend money twice. If you had borrowed three times your salary you would have very little money to spend.

The only reason interest rates went down was because of what Reagan did. Inflation was through the roof and changes had to be made. Reagan saved this country from collapse.

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When you triple the debt, you limit your options.

That might be the case for the American people, but the govt isn't restricted in such a way. As we learned during the Obama years, they can just print money to make up the short falls.

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The space program has been privatized because everyone knows conservatives believe the private sectors always does it better.

The space program hasn't been privatized, NASA still exists. The truth is the private sector does do a better job as long as govt doesn't get overly involved.

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Space X is putting satellites in orbit until Trumps wall puts him out of business. Richard Branson will take you into space for $250,000.

Space X is going to be just fine, where do they do most of their launches currently? Kennedy Space Center in FL...
As for Richard Branson and his space program, it will be just like Space X, expensive until the tech is perfected and then costs will drop rapidly. That's the way technology works, remember only wealth people could afford cell phones when they first came out, and now they are so cheap that 7th graders are walking around with them.

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The loans across all spectrum failed not just subprime.

No they didn't. Subprime and adjustable ARM's failed. If normal loans failed it was due to lack of payment and not rising loans payments.

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That was only one regulation and wall street bought Clinton off that is why the money has to be taken out of politics.

It was the biggest regulation that led to the collapse of 2008.

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Presidents don’t make laws and the Republican congress passed that law. Republicans have tried to repeal all the laws that were put in place to prevent another Great Depression.

So now you are claiming that it's who runs Congress that is at fault? The DNC ran Congress from 2006 until 2010... do they hold the blame for the 2008 collapse?

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We got television with an antenna for years and I didn’t miss anything but the cable bill. If you only watch 3 it does not matter if you have 300 channels. You are just paying for a bunch of garbage you don’t watch.

You are a funny guy. You get cornered and you change the subject. What does cable matter if I only watch 3 channels... that has nothing to do with the tech advancement that was cable Tv.

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The KKK is not worried so much about immigration as race. If it was white people coming across the border they would not be concerned. There are black people that are every bit as racist as white people.

Keep coming up with excuses why you are wrong on just about everything. Why do you constantly move the goal posts on these issues?

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The article may have been clear, but the lead sentence said that the average CEO’s was making $13.2 million, and they did not qualify it. Your problem is with the source.

My problem is with your dishonestly in debate. I made a claim about average CEO pay and you tried to pass off the S&P 500 companies as average CEO pay. You lied and were busted, just stop.

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That is the same source I used, and it gives the same figure 204 times and it should be no more than 20.

Says who, the socialists who never built anything in their lives?

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At some point the actual contribution must reflect the compensation and 204 times does not reflect their contribution.

Says who? Do you know what a CEO actually does, do you know the hours they work? You have no idea what a CEO does except get paid. Socialist have no idea how to run a healthy and free economy.

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Putting an idiot in as President for one thing and he did damage around the world to our reputation and to our allies.

Obama was indeed horrible for the US and our reputation. How can someone get a Nobel Peace Prize for doing nothing but expanding the list of countries we were bombing and had troops in...

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Don Jr was on the phone with the head of Wikileaks who advised that if Trump, lost he was not to concede the election but to insist it was rigged and the head Wikileaks works hand in hand with Putin.

You don't even have half the facts right. There was no phone call, it was exchanged messages. From what I'm seeing, wikileaks informed Jr about an anti-Trump webpage...

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Russia is calling the shots. Wikileaks has never publishes any of Russia secrets. The DNC is not investigating the Russian cyber attacks all of the intelligence agencies are.

That might be true, but the left only has themselves to thank for Wikileaks. When Wikileaks first started publishing info illegally obtained thanks to a military traitor, who was pardoned by Obama, the left couldn't get enough of the leaks and encouraged them.

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Climate change will eventually put an end to mankind.

No it won't, the climate has been changing and will continue to change for the rest time. The only purpose of the Climate Change group is wealth redistribution and the destruction of our economy.

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All the intelligence agencies and Russia knew Trump was dead serious and acted that way.

Wrong again. There is zero proof Russia did anything because Trump "asked" them to.

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You need to watch the Tonight show so you will know what a joke is and how jokes are constructed.

Those shows have't been funny in years, much like SNL.

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Jokes are funny and there is nothing funny about prodding a foreign power to attack your country.

It's funny to ask the Russians if they can find Hillary's deleted and bleach bitted emails. Sorry, but hacking Hillary is not an attack on our country.
She is a person, not the govt. This never would have been an issue if Hillary had followed the rules and turned her emails over the the govt instead of deleting them to hide her corruption.

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You might remember that e-mails have two or more copies and just because one user deleted the e-mail doesn’t mean the other user has. Most of those 30,000 are copied to someone else and since the Russian military has unlimited resources that should not be a problem.

You once again do not know what you speak. Hillary violated the law when she deleted those emails, hell her use of a private email server was illegal. Obama and the rest of the Obama admin sending her emails using alias's was against the law.

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Almost everything on Clinton’s server was private with a vey few that were restricted.

Wrong again, this was the primary email account she used for her time in that position. 4 years of Sec of State emails and you are going to insist that they were mostly private? You are a bad liar.

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How about the fact that the computer is the only one you have at work. The city did not want your private computer hooked into their system.


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Those countries provide a better quality of life.

Says who and according to what standard?

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I want to see that a tax on excess wealth actually be placed on “excess wealth.”

There is no such thing as excess wealth.

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I don’t know how to explain it to you it is like trying to explain rain to someone that has never seen it. One more shot say group A has 92 apples while group B has 8 apples. If a 1% tax is placed on apples Group A would owe 92 cents and group B would owe 8 cents. But in your case, those making over $200,000 are only paying 58% instead of the 92% that is their share on a 1 to 1 tax ratio. In other words, they are actually paying far less that what is fair. The income is so far skewed in America that it distorts common sense.

That's not how it works.

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You are not robbing the dead they can not take it with them.

Well, the govt didn't earn that money, what makes you think they can just take it?

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The economy had been expanding for years

No it wasn't, it was stagnint. Obama was lucky to see 2% growth and claimed we would never see it again,Trump proved him wrong.

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Trump was so upset about Obama’s low unemployment numbers that he claimed they were fixed.

They were fixed, they claimed people dropping off the unemployment rolls because of timing out was a good thing. It wasn't and overall participation rates were the lowest in history.

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If you borrowed a trillion dollars it would make your economy go up. When you live by borrowed money you die by borrowed money.

Or they could just print money like they did during the Obama years...

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Clinton was president and he was owned by the Wall Street billionaires, but the Republicans wrote the legislation that is what they are all about is getting rid of regulations.

Who signs laws? Yet you blame Reagan for a DNC controlled Congress...

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No president can ever take credit for what happens in his first year.

More of the old switch around. How was Bush responsible for 9-11, when it happen 9 months after he took office? This is an honesty test that you will fail.

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Obama never had a filibuster proof majority and that means the minority can block everything.

He had 60 votes for a few months until Kennedy died, then he had 59 votes. So I take it you won't be blaming Trump for not passing anything since he only has 53 votes in the Senate.

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Both previous secretaries of state used private servers they may not have been in their basement, but they used them.

No they didn't, they used private email accounts, not private servers in their homes. They also turned over all their emails when they left office, Hillary didn't, she deleted them first.

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The Russians were caught red handed breaking into Clinton’s server right after Trump urged them to. The e-mails exist because they were e-mailed to someone else.

This never happened, you are confusing John Podesta's fishing hack, in fact the Hillary camp spent months denying that her private server was hacked. You can't even get the simple facts straight, how can you get anything else correct?

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If you paid attention, they laid out their case in front of the public telling them what happened and what happened to other employees who mishandled e-mails. The Treatment was exactly the same.

Facts proof links? Hillary was given special treatment because of who she was and the dirt she has on the rest of the DNC politicians.

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It is the Trump administration intelligence agencies that believe Trump invited the Russian military to attack the United States and that he was dead serious.

It never happened as I proved above. They still to this day insist that Hillarys email wasn't hacked. Even though we all know it was, and it was done way before she ran for President, it was hacked while she was still in Secretary of State position.

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Most of the Steele dossier has now been confirmed.

No it hasn't, most of it has been disproved and is based on lies.

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Steele was the top expert in the world on Russia and had the most reliable contacts in Russia.

He was a disgraced and fired as a source by our intelligence agencies.
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Steele was “suspended and then terminated” as an FBI source for what the bureau defined “as the most serious of violations” – an “unauthorized disclosure to the media of his relationship with the FBI.”


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Do think they could not hack a government server? The Russians have already hacked government servers.

I'm sure they have, it's kind of their job to do such things to the US.

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No president in history ever told a tiny fraction of the lies Trump tells. Trump brags about being a liar in his books he is proud of it.

I would disagree, the MSM has never spent so much time "fact checking" statements as they have with Trump. Considering the massive lies told by Obama, I'm not surprised they are doing this to Trump, it helps cover for Obama's lies.

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I had 1500 e-mails on my home computer, but my wife now deletes them.

That's nice, it's against the law to delete govt emails. So why did Hillary delete the emails and then use Bleach Bit on them?

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If they didn’t go through the government server, they went through a private server.

Which never should have been used since it was illegal.

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The head of the FBI handled the previous cases and he did not treat anyone any different.

Comey is a crooked liar and his time is coming. We know he lied to Congress, why hasn't his house been invaded by the FBI?

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The cable news is available on line.

You usually have to provide the email from your cable company to get online access. People don't get to watch for free.

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If you go to the hospital with junk insurance the people with insurance pay the bill you can’t by paying higher insurance premiums. I don’t want to pay your medical bills because you have junk insurance.

Still supporting the lie told by Obama? If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance.









Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2019 02:35 pm
@Baldimo,
Here is one of the sources you requested.

"Did Russia Affect the 2016 Election? It is Now Undeniable."


Source : Wired

That means from now on out the American people will no longer select the President, Russia will decide.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2019 07:10 pm
@Baldimo,
The second source you requested

“The Republican Plan for the New President”

Source: Frontline
Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 13 Feb, 2019 10:19 pm
@Baldimo,
Not desperation, just facts.
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They may have been a small minority, but they are growing every day. Out of town thugs with assault weapons marching down the street, that is fear mongering.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The Nazis and the KKK go into these rallies with a chip on their shoulder looking for somebody to knock it off so they can start a riot. If you don’t want a war why come prepared for one?
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The farmers are paid by the government not to grow crops on their property to prevent over supply. It is proved by the facts. We had three theaters that had been in business for 80 years. The government allocated $10 million to build a mall a block from the other three and built theaters inside the mall. The long-time theaters closed because the new theaters were subsidized to the tune of $10 million that is not capitalism. Government is determining the winners and losers
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I watched as the money handed out in multi-million dollars chunks. Amazon built a calling center in town. It was put on the forth and fifth floor of the police station. The city bought all the computers, monitors, and office furniture. Amazon only supplied a battery backup system. Then the city agreed to construct a multimillion dollar building and sell it to amazon for $1. That is not capitalism. Businesses move from town to town looking for bigger and better deals. While you don’t attend council meeting, I did and that is where you can watch the money being hand out like welfare.
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These businesses rip offs don’t usually involve Federal money it is mostly state and city and they are in a bidding war against each other.
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What I was talking about is the new guaranteed wage program that is being tried out at a couple of locations. The guaranteed wage continues to be paid even after they have started a business.
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The local cities don’t have to do the Federal Government job. Ice should not have to put a hold on them they should actually pick them up that day. It is hard to convince them to bother to come and get the illegals.
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ID ran a story where a vet armed with an M-16 and other assault weapons he was holdup in the bathroom firing through the door and walls. He fired three hundred and twenty-five rounds in the stand-off. It was a vet with PTSD. One policeman was killed, and three others injured. Should we outlaw military service? There are often problems with people with PTSD.
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Disease was not the only reasons the Indians died. White men killed as many as died by disease. This was probably the first instance of germ warfare. The colonists would give blankets to the Indians that were used by those with small pox.
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Some experts believe germs were as responsible as guns were for wiping out the Indians.
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Most species were wiped out by climate change. Though some forms of life can live in the harshest of environments does not mean we can. It not only involves us but our food and supplies of water?
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The US borders changed quite a bit in the beginning.
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The answer is that there are indeed different races. If there were only one race people would find other features to discriminate over.
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The AAA was found unconstitutional, but it was replaced with something that preformed the same function.
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Tax cuts did not stop double digit inflation what stopped double digit inflation was changing how inflation was measured. The union contracts had inflation triggers in them by redefining how inflation was figured kept the cost of living raises from kicking in. The government for inflation figures are far under actual inflation now.
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At the time America was founded the founding fathers were the most liberal thinkers on the planet. Countries were ruled by the divine right of kings. It was unthinkable that God did not decide who ruled a country. That was a huge step away from religion. The conservatives wanted to remain a British colony.
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You may get better but you will be so depressed when you have to file for bankruptcy. The fastest growing category of bankruptcy is those that have medical insurance but were bankrupted by medical bills the insurance didn’t pay. That was the reason health insurance was created so that medical bills would not take everything you have.
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Government regulations played no part in 2900% increase of health insurance it was the lack of government regulations. When a drug company can run the cost of a drug up from free to $375,000 a year it is evident that there no regulation against out right theft. You have a choice between letting your child be paralyzed or paying the $375,000. That is indeed the answer. We have laws against other forms of theft.
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The law was replaced and is in force today.
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The distribution of wealth in Venezuela was bad in the beginning and any form of government can be corrupted with excess wealth. Those that have excess wealth use the excess wealth to take more wealth from the bottom 90%. Excess wealth is a corrupting force that is almost impossible to overcome. That is why revolution and extermination of the ungodly greedy is the only solution.
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When the general population starts watching their children starve to death while the ungodly greedy get fat means revolution is near. They have nothing to lose. I would not watch my baby starve to death while the ungodly greedy had 99% of the wealth. History has taught us that is the point when revolutions always occur. That is what happened in Vietnam they were starving to death and watching the French ship all the food out of the country.
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You believe that our government can never be changed but the founding fathers designed a procedure to change it.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nixon price controls remained in place for a while. One kid bought suit because the cost of model car paint was raised.
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Who owns the businesses? Not the poor. You saw during the government shutdown that most people lived pay check to pay check. Most plumbers around here are millionaire. I have to have water line put in and it is going to cost $4,500. That plumber has been in business for more than 40 years. The old joke goes that a plumber gives his bill to a doctor and the doctor is outraged and says I am a doctor and I don’t make that kind of money. The plumber replies, I didn’t either when I was a doctor.

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I follow things as they are going on. You live on propaganda and think there is some proof to it. It is like Kelly Ann says there are alternate facts and the alternate facts are the one you believe. But there are only one set of facts and the alternate facts real name is propaganda. You don’t want to believe in reality. You can find the history of that tax bill on line.
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Everything you believe is propaganda. I have no clue where you get so many lies from.
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I am going to get some sleep tonight. I will resume from here.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2019 07:45 am
@Zardoz,
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Here is one of the sources you requested.
"Did Russia Affect the 2016 Election? It is Now Undeniable."
Source : Wired
That means from now on out the American people will no longer select the President, Russia will decide.

Did you read the article? Let me lay it out for you in simple terms. The only point the Russians had in the election was so sew chaos and distrust in the election system. The leftists fell for it and did the biding of the Russians, they continue to do the bidding of the Russians to this day.

The article mentions that the info they spread wasn't to change minds but to harden people's beliefs. What it doesn't mention is the Russians used both sides of the aisle against each other. What it also doesn't mention is that a large portion of the Russian adds/facebook pages targeted black people.
https://techcrunch.com/2018/05/10/russian-facebook-ads-house-intelligence-full-list/

What else gets missed by the media because of their partisan bias is that the Russians targeted everyone, they created "rally events" at the same time from opposite sides of the aisle pro-Trump and anti-Trump and put them across the corner from each other. Once again the Russians only point was to create chaos in the system and the DNC/leftists fell for it, hook line and sinker.

Baldimo
 
  0  
Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2019 07:48 am
@Zardoz,
I'm confused, has any opposing party wanted to work with the new President? Did the DNC work with Bush after his 2000 election or did they oppose everything he wanted? This sounds like nothing but business as usual in DC.

Baldimo
 
  0  
Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2019 10:11 am
@Zardoz,
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Not desperation, just facts.

What is this related to? I looked at the last post, and this doesn't relate to anything on that post.

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They may have been a small minority, but they are growing every day. Out of town thugs with assault weapons marching down the street, that is fear mongering.

It's only fear mongering if you had plans on attacking those people and now you can't because they are armed. I'm wondering if you have the same issues with leftists walking around the streets of Seattle with AR-15's?
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/12/john-boch/antifa-brings-ar-15s-to-seattle-counter-pro-constitution-rally/

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The Nazis and the KKK go into these rallies with a chip on their shoulder looking for somebody to knock it off so they can start a riot.

You are confusing Antifa with these groups. Check the news stories and you will see Antifa is the most violent group in modern day politics. They believe in the theory of "By any means necessary" and that includes violence.
https://dailycaller.com/2017/08/18/antifa-protester-yvette-felarca-says-violence-against-the-far-right-is-not-a-crime/

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The farmers are paid by the government not to grow crops on their property to prevent over supply.

That was then, not now.

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We had three theaters that had been in business for 80 years. The government allocated $10 million to build a mall a block from the other three and built theaters inside the mall. The long-time theaters closed because the new theaters were subsidized to the tune of $10 million that is not capitalism. Government is determining the winners and losers

That's not how it works. If there were 80 year old theaters and they went out of business because of new theaters, that had nothing to do with the govt and everything to do with old theaters not having newer technology or the seating space required for modern day movies. You don't understand how competition works do you. Were those 80 year theaters putting in surround sound and 3D projectors? If they weren't, they were doomed to die because they didn't keep up with the tech.

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I watched as the money handed out in multi-million dollars chunks. Amazon built a calling center in town. It was put on the forth and fifth floor of the police station. The city bought all the computers, monitors, and office furniture. Amazon only supplied a battery backup system. Then the city agreed to construct a multimillion dollar building and sell it to amazon for $1. That is not capitalism. Businesses move from town to town looking for bigger and better deals. While you don’t attend council meeting, I did and that is where you can watch the money being hand out like welfare.

Proof facts links? I don't believe one word of this story. The city built a building and sold it for $1? Lies

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These businesses rip offs don’t usually involve Federal money it is mostly state and city and they are in a bidding war against each other.

So you are against your political leaders doing what they can to get business to come to your city and provide jobs for it's citizens?

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What I was talking about is the new guaranteed wage program that is being tried out at a couple of locations. The guaranteed wage continues to be paid even after they have started a business.

We have never talked about such a thing, what are you talking about. What does the "guaranteed wage" do and how is it paid after a business starts?

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The local cities don’t have to do the Federal Government job.

If that's the case, why are they passing laws to protect illegal immigrants when illegal immigration is against the law?

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Ice should not have to put a hold on them they should actually pick them up that day.

That's the way it works for all people arrested that get transfered to another agency. Wanted on federal crimes and you are in local jail, the feds put a retainer on you so you can't slip back into society. Why should illegal immigrants get special treatment?

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It is hard to convince them to bother to come and get the illegals.

That's a lie. The cities don't tell them when they are going to release someone, so if they don't know they can't come get them can they. Unless you suggest they have ICE agents hanging out in the PD's waiting for illegals to be released.

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ID ran a story where a vet armed with an M-16 and other assault weapons he was holdup in the bathroom firing through the door and walls. He fired three hundred and twenty-five rounds in the stand-off. It was a vet with PTSD. One policeman was killed, and three others injured. Should we outlaw military service? There are often problems with people with PTSD.

Is this meant to be a real question?

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Disease was not the only reasons the Indians died. White men killed as many as died by disease.

Lies lies and more lies. This isn't the case and isn't even close to reality, do you actually believe the lies that you type?

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This was probably the first instance of germ warfare. The colonists would give blankets to the Indians that were used by those with small pox.

More big fat lies. This "small pox blanket" story has been proven false so many times. The liar that pushed this lie was a discredited professor here in CO. Germ warfare is an old tactic, when they would do seiges on castles, they would launch diseased bodies over the walls and into the cities in the hopes that it would spread. They would put dead and diseased bodies in upstream rives and wait for the sickness to travel down stream and get the towns sick. Your complete lack of historical knowledge is astounding.

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Most species were wiped out by climate change.

I wonder how much fossil fuels they were burning back then to cause the issue.

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Though some forms of life can live in the harshest of environments does not mean we can. It not only involves us but our food and supplies of water?

Wrong again, there is no a land mass or climate on this Earth where humans don't live. Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

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The US borders changed quite a bit in the beginning.

So what, our borders have been consistent for well over 150 years.

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The answer is that there are indeed different races.

My personal belief is that we are all human and color of our skin doesn't matter, the majority of Americans agree with me. For well over 20 years I have marked my race as "other" and I write in human.

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If there were only one race people would find other features to discriminate over.

We already do this. Looks, weight, height, fashion choice are all things we already "discriminate" over. I was a nerd in high school and I was picked on and made fun of all the time, not to mention I was poor compared to the kids I went to school with and when we wore civilian clothes I was still made fun of and discriminated against because I didn't have the latest fashion and couldn't afford the expensive clothes like they did. Discrimination takes on all forms and color doesn't really play a part in today's society.

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The AAA was found unconstitutional, but it was replaced with something that preformed the same function.

It wasn't great, it was found unconstitutional, don't move the goal posts on what you praise when proven wrong.

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Tax cuts did not stop double digit inflation

This is where you fail again. Reagan did more than tax cuts, he adjusted the whole entire tax brackets due to bracket creep. This is why everything you say about Reagan and taxes is wrong.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bracketcreep.asp

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thetaxfoundation/2015/03/09/an-important-taxpayer-protection-turns-thirty/#ce4a2015360a

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At the time America was founded the founding fathers were the most liberal thinkers on the planet.

Just think about what the left has done with those wonderful ideas, they want to get rid of the Constitution and change our system from one of freedom and liberty to one of govt domination and control. The FF are spinning in their graves thanks to the leftists.

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Just stop the BS, there was no such thing as a Conservative back then. If anything, it's your ilk who would have sided with the Crown. You have already expressed your desire for a centralized govt with total control.

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Countries were ruled by the divine right of kings. It was unthinkable that God did not decide who ruled a country. That was a huge step away from religion. The conservatives wanted to remain a British colony.

More of the same BS.

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You may get better but you will be so depressed when you have to file for bankruptcy. The fastest growing category of bankruptcy is those that have medical insurance but were bankrupted by medical bills the insurance didn’t pay. That was the reason health insurance was created so that medical bills would not take everything you have.


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Government regulations played no part in 2900% increase of health insurance it was the lack of government regulations.

How wrong you are. There is no such thing as a free market in the healthcare industry, regulations always drive up costs. It happened again with the ACA, millions of Americans had their insurance rates double after the ACA was enacted. It was horrible law that should be purged.

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When a drug company can run the cost of a drug up from free to $375,000 a year it is evident that there no regulation against out right theft.

Nothing is free, that's the problem with your line of thought. Everything costs money and someone, usually those not using the program, end up paying for it.

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You have a choice between letting your child be paralyzed or paying the $375,000. That is indeed the answer. We have laws against other forms of theft.

Fact's proof links?

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The law was replaced and is in force today.

Which law?

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The distribution of wealth in Venezuela was bad in the beginning and any form of government can be corrupted with excess wealth.

There is no such thing as excess wealth.

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Those that have excess wealth use the excess wealth to take more wealth from the bottom 90%.

The only group who takes anything from anyone is the govt. Private citizens don't take from other citizens, that's called theft and is against the law.

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Excess wealth is a corrupting force that is almost impossible to overcome.

There is no such thing as excess wealth.

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That is why revolution and extermination of the ungodly greedy is the only solution.

You wonder why the FF put the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights? This is the reason the left wants to see the 2nd Amendment go away, they don't want people to defend themselves against the violence from the left.

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When the general population starts watching their children starve to death while the ungodly greedy get fat means revolution is near.

That's why Venezuela is in the position it is in now and will soon see a violent revolution, to throw off the yoke of tyranny. The leftists were greedy and didn't care about the people, that's why they starve.

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They have nothing to lose. I would not watch my baby starve to death while the ungodly greedy had 99% of the wealth.

They don't have 99% of the wealth, another lie told by the left.

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History has taught us that is the point when revolutions always occur. That is what happened in Vietnam they were starving to death and watching the French ship all the food out of the country.

Then Communism came and everyone starved anyways. Millions were killed by the Communist govt. That doesn't happen in a free country.

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You believe that our government can never be changed but the founding fathers designed a procedure to change it.

I didn't say it couldn't be changed, I said you don't have the votes to change it and you never will. You have proven that the 2nd Amendment is needed, you want to kill those you disagree with and take all their things.

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Nixon price controls remained in place for a while. One kid bought suit because the cost of model car paint was raised.

They failed and were removed after 1 year.

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Who owns the businesses? Not the poor.

Business owners usually start out as middle or lower class people. Starting a successful business makes them wealthy.

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You saw during the government shutdown that most people lived pay check to pay check.

Sorry, but that isn't the case. The govt shutdown had very little effect on the average American and unless they tried to fly, they didn't notice anything different going on.

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Most plumbers around here are millionaire. I have to have water line put in and it is going to cost $4,500. That plumber has been in business for more than 40 years.

Do you not think a plumber deserves to be paid for his skills and experience? If you don't think he is worth the cost, you can always do the work yourself.

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That plumber has been in business for more than 40 years.


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I follow things as they are going on. You live on propaganda and think there is some proof to it.

You suffer from transference.















Zardoz
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2019 10:58 am
@Baldimo,
Opposing political parties worked together for years, that is how America became a superpower, but the advent of the radical right egged on by Australian billionaire, Rupert Murdock’s, propaganda station, Fox News. Our government became totally difunctional when Newt Gingrich and Grover Norquist took control of the Republican party. It was no longer about the good of America it was about the good of the party. When you decide to block everything that the party in power tries to do, as the Republicans did at that meeting, they made the decision to hold America hostage for the next 8 years so they could get political power back. Politics has nothing to do with the good of America, it is just a football game played to see who can get the political football back. The losers are the American people, the politicians are the only ones who can win the game.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Thu 14 Feb, 2019 11:27 pm
@Baldimo,
The bible calls for tithing of 10% to charity notice that is a percentage not a dollar amount.
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The fact is I have no desire to learn to do links. I had a Galaxy 5 work phone and a flip phone I used the flip phone the vast majority of time. After I retired my bought a phone that required to go through different pages to dial. I threw that one away and got a flip phone. There comes a time you no longer want to lean new technical skills. I hated to text my fingers usually hit two keys. I preferred to get my orders in person or over the phone.
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In your head maybe, but saying it isn’t does not make it untrue. Everything you don’t want to believe is a joke. According to you the Republican Party has more comedians than Comedy Central.
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It may have been proposed but it did not pass.
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They offer far more than tax breaks that tiny project downtown got $10 million. Another shopping center a couple miles down the road from a mall that is failing was awarded a million. On this evening news Amazon decided to turn down a multi-million-dollar deal from New York. Tax incentives are only part of the deal. We bought Amazon all their equipment in addition to selling them a building for a dollar. You think the taxpayers should pay for building to be given to the world’s richest man?
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It was down to three finalists last I heard. Notice they are bidding with taxpayer money and the taxpayer money is going to some of the richest people on earth.
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You would not have a problem unless you owned one of the businesses that had been paying taxes for 80 years and now the city was going to use their tax money to subsidize a direct competitor and put you out of business.
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“Episode 31: Alabama Bests the Farm on Mercedes-Benz (and wins)

Source: The DCI Blog
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1.4 million is a lot of people going out of the country for medical care because is far cheaper.
How many Canadians come to America for medical care? 52,513, wow big difference.
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A fact check on “Sicko” showed the “the numbers are mostly accurate.” Better than fact check on Trump which shows 10,000 lies.
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I don’t have an HMO, I have Blue Cross Insurance not an HMO, it is what would be considered a Cadillac plan. My blue cross plan never required the prior-approval for any doctor’s appointment. I have a 100% insurance plan something that is hard to find now.
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The real problem is every doctor thinks they deserve to be an instant millionaire as soon as they get out of medical school. Doctors are like everyone else they have a job to do. Doctors will always say they deserve to be millionaires because of their years of medical school but the other people who went to work directly out of high school paid for most of their education with their taxes. So, in America it is the insurance company that decides when an if you get medical care. In Canada I would have been treated that day because there is no insurance company in Canada to stop it.
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Do you not know that figures don’t lie but liars do figure? There is an equation to determine the inflation rate. If I have and equation that is 5 +5 =10 and I don’t want 10% inflation how can I change it, so inflation goes down? Simply change the equation 1+2 =3 presto change inflation disappeared. Inflation is figured on a market basket of goods. The cost of housing does not reflect the rising cost of homes. It is based on what you would rent your home to yourself and evidently you rent cheap. If you can buy more memory for your computer that a minus taken off of the cost of inflation. If you rent to yourself cheap enough the cost of living goes down.
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The changes that were made robbed the middle class and transferred the wealth to the ungodly greedy. When the inflation figure no longer reflected the actual cost of living the Cost of Living Adjustments didn’t kick and that money that should have went into cost of living raises went into the pockets of the ungodly greedy instead.
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The reason we had a national debt in the first place was war. Obama was handed not one war but two wars in progress and a Second Great Depression which was much more-costly than the first. The Iraq and Afghanistan wars are projected to cost $10 trillion and Bush put the wars on a credit card and handed out rounds of huge tax cuts to the ungodly greedy. The government can’t print money the Federal Reserve prints money. The government has to borrow every dollar.
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So far NASA has been to Mars the private sector has been almost to “orbit.”
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The seventh graders are walking around with $1,000 cell phones only the wealthy would spend that on a phone at one time.
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The loans were fraudulent the bankers filled out fraudulent applications or instructed applicants what figures were required to secure the loans. A farm worker who picked strawberries for a living was able to buy a $500,000 house because of the banker’s fraudulent paperwork. You make a $20,000 commission loan and you are on to the next. The bank you work for gets a big commission when they sell the loan and your off to the next crop picker. When you remove the regulations on banks it was the wild west in reverse it is the banks robbing the people.
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It was lack of regulation and oversight. It took only one guy on wall Street with Asperger syndrome. He actually looked at what was bundled into the financial instruments and he noticed individual loans that were marked as paid off. When he investigated closer, he found those loans were actually defaulted. This is when the house of cards fell. He knew they were junk and no one else on Wall Street knew. He bought up the credit default swaps and made billions. Regulators should have stopped this before it got out of hand.
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If regulators had checked the actual applications for fraud it would have stopped this before it was out of hand but the conservatives rejoice every time a regulation is eliminated. They want to shrink government to the point they can strangle it and drown it in the bathtub.” That is what happened in this case.
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The president cannot change laws only the legislative branch has that power. The President can sign it or veto it. If he vetoes it the congress can override the veto with a 2/3 majority. Anyway, you look at it, congress is responsible for laws. Clinton could have stopped it, but congress is responsible. The second Great Depression was result of years of eliminating every regulation they could find.
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You may have 300 channels, but you watch just a few. In other words, you really don’t need the bandwidth.
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If it was white people coming across the border the KKK would not say word. In fact, they would be there with a welcome greeting them saying one more for our side. The KKK is a racist organization that is their mission in life. The subject hasn’t changed.
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I printed the sentence directly as it was written in the article.
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This country was built by the hard work of the working class. The ungodly greedy would be standing in a field with their money in their hand and could never build a damn thing.
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The CEOs are typically out playing golf while someone else does the work.
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The man in Canada who was responsible for universal healthcare system is considered one of their greatest politicians.
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You are looking at Russia’s plan B. In the event that Trump lost the election this is the way Russia wanted him to behave to cause the maximum amount of trouble here.
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The head of Wikileaks has been holdup in an embassy for years because there are arrest warrants for him. Do you think Trump would enforce those warrants? Wikileaks is Trump’s favorite organization he praised them constantly.
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Baldimo
 
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@Zardoz,
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The bible calls for tithing of 10% to charity notice that is a percentage not a dollar amount.

Why are you using the Bible as an excuse? I'll dismiss it from you just as I would from a religious person.

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The fact is I have no desire to learn to do links.

You are being lazy, plain and simple.

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In your head maybe, but saying it isn’t does not make it untrue. Everything you don’t want to believe is a joke. According to you the Republican Party has more comedians than Comedy Central.

Saying what doesn't make it true? I have no reference for this comment.

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It may have been proposed but it did not pass.

What didn't pass?

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They offer far more than tax breaks that tiny project downtown got $10 million. Another shopping center a couple miles down the road from a mall that is failing was awarded a million.

They actually wrote a check to the company for $10 million dollars?

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On this evening news Amazon decided to turn down a multi-million-dollar deal from New York. Tax incentives are only part of the deal.

I don't blame them for canceling the deal. From the sounds of it, the city was also pulling a bait and switch and included Union Reps into he meetings with Amazon. Amazon isn't a union shop and to try and force a union on them is wicked govt at it's finest.

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We bought Amazon all their equipment in addition to selling them a building for a dollar.

Facts proof links?

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It was down to three finalists last I heard. Notice they are bidding with taxpayer money and the taxpayer money is going to some of the richest people on earth.

What was down to the final 3 finalists? What taxpayer money is being used for what?

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You would not have a problem unless you owned one of the businesses that had been paying taxes for 80 years and now the city was going to use their tax money to subsidize a direct competitor and put you out of business.

You routinely misuse words like "subsidize" all the time, why is that?
Stores and companies go out of business all the time, would you expect the local govt to protect the mom and pop business from a better more profitable business?

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“Episode 31: Alabama Bests the Farm on Mercedes-Benz (and wins)
Source: The DCI Blog

I don't think this article is pointing out what you think it is. Sounds like a success story for all of those involved. From no cars made in AL in 1992, to 1.7 million cars made in 2017. Instead of 1500 employee's it sounds like they have 7000.

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1.4 million is a lot of people going out of the country for medical care because is far cheaper.

Out of a population of almost 350 million, that is a fraction of a percent. As for your claim on Canadians coming to the US for health care, do you have any stats to back up the claim?

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How many Canadians come to America for medical care? 52,513, wow big difference.

Which is a 25% increase from the year before:
The Fraser Institute, a Canadian public policy think tank, estimates that 52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014, a 25 percent jump from the roughly 41,838 who sought medical care abroad the previous year. It seems year after year more Canadians are going to the US for healthcare. The question is why are they going to the US for healthcare if the US system is so horrible?
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-08-03/canadians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care

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A fact check on “Sicko” showed the “the numbers are mostly accurate.” Better than fact check on Trump which shows 10,000 lies.

You seem to think this matters, I don't care.

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I don’t have an HMO, I have Blue Cross Insurance not an HMO, it is what would be considered a Cadillac plan. My blue cross plan never required the prior-approval for any doctor’s appointment. I have a 100% insurance plan something that is hard to find now.

Well something changed and it sounds like you now require approval to see a specialist. My plan doesn't require any approval, I see who I want.

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The real problem is every doctor thinks they deserve to be an instant millionaire as soon as they get out of medical school.

They do have a unique set of skills that required years and years of school to obtain and tons of money. If a Doctor does a good job, why shouldn't they be millionaires?

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Doctors are like everyone else they have a job to do. Doctors will always say they deserve to be millionaires because of their years of medical school but the other people who went to work directly out of high school paid for most of their education with their taxes.

Who pays for who's education? People who want to be Dr's take out loans just like every other student and end up paying those back. Dr's don't get a free education and taxpayers surly don't pay for it.

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Do you not know that figures don’t lie but liars do figure?

I figure your factless posts are filled with lies, that's why you don't post links.

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There is an equation to determine the inflation rate. If I have and equation that is 5 +5 =10 and I don’t want 10% inflation how can I change it, so inflation goes down? Simply change the equation 1+2 =3 presto change inflation disappeared. Inflation is figured on a market basket of goods. The cost of housing does not reflect the rising cost of homes. It is based on what you would rent your home to yourself and evidently you rent cheap. If you can buy more memory for your computer that a minus taken off of the cost of inflation. If you rent to yourself cheap enough the cost of living goes down.

Nothing you have said here has any meaning, it's a word salad.

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The changes that were made robbed the middle class and transferred the wealth to the ungodly greedy. When the inflation figure no longer reflected the actual cost of living the Cost of Living Adjustments didn’t kick and that money that should have went into cost of living raises went into the pockets of the ungodly greedy instead.

Facts proof links?

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The reason we had a national debt in the first place was war.

Yes, the war for our Freedom did indeed cost money, did you think the debt started after WWI?

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Obama was handed not one war but two wars in progress and a Second Great Depression which was much more-costly than the first.

Go figure, Obama expanded those 2 wars to include an additional 5 countries he was bombing for a total of 7 counties he was conducting violence against. I wonder what they expansion of military cost us.

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The Iraq and Afghanistan wars are projected to cost $10 trillion and Bush put the wars on a credit card and handed out rounds of huge tax cuts to the ungodly greedy.

Except that isn't the full truth of what was going on in the US in 2001-2003.

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So far NASA has been to Mars the private sector has been almost to “orbit.”

Did you miss the Space X launch that sent a rocket to Mars? NASA is past it's prime and hasn't really done anything in over a decade. When you look at how long NASA has been around vs how long Space X has been around, you find out Space X is well past NASA in the tech dept. NASA doesn't have anything that can land on a ship in the Ocean, Space X does.

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The seventh graders are walking around with $1,000 cell phones only the wealthy would spend that on a phone at one time.

They don't spend it at one time, it's paid for during the 2 years you have the cellphone plan.

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The loans were fraudulent the bankers filled out fraudulent applications or instructed applicants what figures were required to secure the loans.

Fact's proof links?

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It was lack of regulation and oversight. It took only one guy on wall Street with Asperger syndrome. He actually looked at what was bundled into the financial instruments and he noticed individual loans that were marked as paid off. When he investigated closer, he found those loans were actually defaulted. This is when the house of cards fell. He knew they were junk and no one else on Wall Street knew. He bought up the credit default swaps and made billions. Regulators should have stopped this before it got out of hand.

You mean all thanks to the law signed by Bill Clinton?

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If regulators had checked the actual applications for fraud it would have stopped this before it was out of hand but the conservatives rejoice every time a regulation is eliminated.

Fact's proof links?

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They want to shrink government to the point they can strangle it and drown it in the bathtub.” That is what happened in this case.

Correct, the GOP wants small govt with a few laws as possible, it's what the Founding Fathers intended.

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The president cannot change laws only the legislative branch has that power.

Then explain Obama's "I have a pen and I have a phone". He seemed to think he could do what he wanted if Congress didn't cooperate. Why was it ok for Obama but not ok for Trump? Double standard much?

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The President can sign it or veto it. If he vetoes it the congress can override the veto with a 2/3 majority. Anyway, you look at it, congress is responsible for laws. Clinton could have stopped it, but congress is responsible. The second Great Depression was result of years of eliminating every regulation they could find.

You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth. Face it, you give Dems a pass but not the GOP. Double standard is your middle name.

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You may have 300 channels, but you watch just a few. In other words, you really don’t need the bandwidth.

Who says we don't need the bandwidth? Do you understand that your internet service runs over those same cable lines and requires massive amounts of bandwidth to push TV and internet signals over the same line?

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If it was white people coming across the border the KKK would not say word. In fact, they would be there with a welcome greeting them saying one more for our side. The KKK is a racist organization that is their mission in life. The subject hasn’t changed.

Who cares what the KKK does or say? They are not a majority in this country, not even close.

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I printed the sentence directly as it was written in the article.

Are you still trying to justify your misleading claim about CEO pay? It was a listing from the S&P500, not a listing of average CEO pay.

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This country was built by the hard work of the working class. The ungodly greedy would be standing in a field with their money in their hand and could never build a damn thing.

You fail to understand the roots of this nation and how it was built. Your hate of the wealthy is pointless, you need their money for your socialist dreams. What exactly has socialism built?

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The CEOs are typically out playing golf while someone else does the work.

Wrong again, you don't have the slightest idea what a CEO does or how they spend their time.

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The man in Canada who was responsible for universal healthcare system is considered one of their greatest politicians.

By socialists.

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You are looking at Russia’s plan B. In the event that Trump lost the election this is the way Russia wanted him to behave to cause the maximum amount of trouble here.

Talk about living on propaganda, you are continuing to be the fool of the Russians, just like you were when they were the USSR and you rallied against Reagan.

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The head of Wikileaks has been holdup in an embassy for years because there are arrest warrants for him.

Yet Bradley Manning was released early by Obama, the very person who stole US information and turned it over the Wikileaks. Why is Manning free for being a traitor? Another traitorous move by the Obama admin.

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Do you think Trump would enforce those warrants? Wikileaks is Trump’s favorite organization he praised them constantly.

It isn't up to Trump to enforce the warrants, that is up to the agency who filed the warrants. Wikileaks has been praised for exposing the practices of Hillary and the DNC, the media didn't like that, they were backing Hillary.

What I find funny about Wikileaks is the support they had between their very first info release and the one during the election. When they were exposing things done by the Bush admin, I'm sure you were cheering them on. You didn't like Bush and had no problem with info being released. Once the worm turned and they started exposing things done by Hillary, then the left thought wikileaks was the most evil entity on the planet, another double standard exposed.







Zardoz
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2019 11:27 pm
@Baldimo,
You been swing in a sea of propaganda for so long that you have no idea that there is a difference between propaganda and facts. Global warming is accepted main stream science only the fringe right and the ungodly greedy owned businesses who are responsible for pumping millions of tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere dispute it. The books taking a position against global warming were funded by the same businesses that are polluting the atmosphere. A few degrees increase in temperature will throw the well-balanced ecosystem out of balance. Soon much of the planet will not be habitable. You need only look at the fires in California, the increasing strength of Hurricanes, and increasing floods. These will be places where people can no longer live. Some American cities now go underwater when the tides comes in.
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What Trump and his band of ill repute didn’t realize that after the initial Russian break in of the DNC was that US intelligence agencies would now be proactive and laying in wait for future Russian attacks at the most likely places. That is why they new instantly that as soon as Trump called for a cyberattack that attack took place. When Flynn called the Russians, after Obama put more sanctions on the Russians for interfering in the election, Flynn assured the Russians they would be removed as soon as Trump took office. Putin had already announced counter sanctions but backed off after Flynn. The trouble for Trump was that the calls going to Russia were being closely monitored because we were still under attack from Russia. The proof is out there and now they know the place the meeting took place at and who was there when the deal was struck between Russia and the Trump campaign.
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When Trump called on the Russian to wage a cyber attack on the United States not one person in the crowd laughed but you still insist it was a joke. That is an attack on an American citizen and an attack on one American citizen is an attack on all of us. Otherwise Russia could kill us one at a time and it would just be an attack on one person.
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How did they discover more of Clinton’s e-mails? They got a hold of the computer of someone Clinton had sent e-mail to. In theory everyone of her e-mails could be located if everyone that received e-mail from her would come forward.
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Clinton’s e-mails were scoured by the FBI and only a very few were classified and of those they were only marked with a tiny c in one corner. No one would have known that they were classified.
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Quality of life can be measured with standard measuring techniques.
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You can have an excess of anything, you can have excess weight, you can have excess sex, you can have excess rain, you can have excess wind and you can certainly have excess wealth.
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That is exactly how it works. Say that those making over $200,000 pay 58% of income tax tells us absolutely nothing without knowing what portion of the income they have. You do know what the word income means I presume. If you want to say a straight up dollar flat tax is fair. Than if those making over $200,000 had 92% of the income than with a flat tax, they would pay 92% of the income tax not 58% and that is a flat tax not a progressive tax. Much of the income of the ungodly greedy goes untaxed because of tax tricks.
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A dead person can no longer manage their wealth, if they die without a will the government decides how their estate will be distributed. It is income to whoever receives the wealth from the person that dies. Do you know who was complaining about the inheritance tax? The ungodly greedy with estates over $5 million. The inheritance tax did not tax estates of less than $5 million. Th Republican campaigned saying that family farms would be lost without eliminating the inheritance tax. When their lie was called it was found that not one single farm had been lost because of inheritance tax.
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The economy expanded for 8 years under Obama the longest economic expansion in history at that time, of course the Republicans had completely sunk the economy, so Obama got to start from zero. You do understand that a 2% expansion is an expansion.
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Unemployment has been measured the same way for decades it only measures those looking for work for a reason. You could be disabled, you could have had a nervous breakdown, you decided to be a hermit, you were making too much money selling drugs, or your daddy was rich, and you did not need to work. If you are not interest in working, you are not counted. If all those people were counted Trump’s unemployment numbers would be over 10%.
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The Federal Reserve prints money and Federal Reserve is made up of private banks. They control the amount of money in circulation. The government has to borrow money and the debt ceiling has to be raised. Trump has already caused congress to raise the debt ceiling twice. Trump will have raised the deficit by $1.5 trillion in two years.
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When a President takes office, they have an agenda that they try to push through. The democrats had controlled congress for years and not one time did they push massive tax cuts for the ungodly greedy. They had not only balanced the budget for 30 years they were in the process of paying it off when Reagan showed up. It only goes off the rails when Reagan starts running the train.
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Bush was warned the terrorist had already made a trial run using a plane and Bush refused to meet with the man that was the head of counter terrorism he was too busy vacationing on his ranch to even bother to talk to the man. In this case if someone tells the president that terrorists are planning to attack New York and Washington and he goes on vacation then that is his fault first year or not.
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You have to have a veto proof majority, a few months, isn’t enough. That is why Trump could not shove that $5.6 billion for the wall through.
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Private e-mail accounts are on private servers not government servers. Since they were on private servers no one knows whether they turned them all over. It is likely that when they used private servers they did so because they did not want others in the government to know what was in those e-mails.
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This has nothing at all to do with the Russian cyber-attack they were directed by Trump to get Clinton’s e-mails not Podesta’s. Podesta e-mal was compromised by a simple fishing attack. He opened and e-mail that ask him to change his password which he did. That did not happen 30 minutes after Trump directed the Russian to stage a cyber-attack.
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Read Comey’s book or find the speech he gave live on television after the FBI concluded their investigation. Comey is one of those rare straight arrows whose only concern was the FBI’s reputation.
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You did not prove anything Podesta e-mail was compromised by a simple fishing scam long before Trump’s speech. Trump did not direct Russian to find John Podesta 30,000 missing e-mails, they had been monitoring Podesta account shortly after the break in at the DNC. Trump directed the Russians to get Clinton’s e-mails. If Clinton e-mails had been hacked, they would have been posted on Wikileaks
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There were a few things that come from individual sources that can’t be easily confirmed but that does not mean they are not true, but the vast majority has been corroborated. For instance, the incident in a hotel room where Trump watches as Russian prostitutes pee on the bed that Obamas slept in when they were in Russia. What do we know for sure? Trump holds a business meeting about holding the Miss Universe pageant with the Russian that was held at a Pee Bar, owned by Sheldon Alderson, the entertainment is women peeing on each other. I don’t know about you but that is not what I want to watch while I am eating. So here we have a man who loves to watch women pee. If he would do it here, he would do it in Russia. We know that the KBG have been grooming Trump to be President for 30 years. Did you wonder why Trump marries women from communist countries. Trump’s first wife was questioned by the secret police every time she went home as well; as her father when he traveled to America.
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Steele was a long-standing source for the FBI he was considered one of their most accurate sources for years. That happens long after the fact.
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Hacking is one thing interfering with an election is quite another. When the KBG uses Wikileaks to post what they hacked after making a deal with Trump to lift the sanctions it is lights year away from hacking.
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I don’t know what you read but there are fact checks posted after every major political speech, but Trump tells a thousand time as many lies as any president in history. Even his attorney’s will tell you he is a pathological liar. Trump’s attorney told him if you testify in front congress you might as well get your orange hat and jump suit. Trump can’t stop lying if he wanted to.
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I don’t know about you, but I don’t want anyone reading my private e-mails. Women gossip and no doubt make remarks that they would not want known. They tell you anything that you write on a work computer is fair game. I can understand wanting some privacy. They were not on a government server.
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The problem is not Clinton it is Trump that is destroying America. The Republicans will still be running against Hillary 50 years after she is dead.
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I have met people like Comey’s before and they are very rare. Comey’s was a Republican hero when he announced the investigation into Clinton’s e-mails. Then he was a villain to the Republicans when he cleared then he was hero again when the investigation was reopened. Then back to villain when he cleared her the second time. He did not lie he would not be used by the political hacks on either side. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
There are requirements for car insurance why should there not be minimum requirements for health insurance? We had a guy runover beside city hall. His medical bills came to $150,000 the driver that hit him only had a $20,000 liability policy. Junk health insurance is the same way an accident waiting to happen.

Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2019 11:20 pm
@Baldimo,
It was a reply to your FEB 13 post at the top.
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The Nazis were a small minority in Germany at one time. Hate is easier to sell than anything else. You need only look at lynch mobs to see how easily normal people can be transformed into monsters who cut the fingers off of corpses and hand them out to children for souvenirs. I have a problem with anyone carry an AR-15, left, right or in the middle.
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There would be no Antifa there in the first place if the Nazis had not come from all over the nation to get involved in what amounts to a local issue. It wasn’t Antifa that killed anybody at Charlottesville it was the Nazis that tried to commit mass murder.
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Sorry farmers are still paid not to grow crops, excess crops are bought up, farmers are bought out of the milk business. Nothing changed when the AAA was overturned another law passed and the program continues to this day. John Wayne, that good Republican, bought up thousands of acres of useless land and was paid by the government not to grow stuff on his land.
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Do you understand the taxpayer’s money was used to build the theaters and then given to millionaires to make a profit? The old theaters often had lines stretching around the block until the ungodly greedy socialist show up and that is a form of socialism. They socialize a major portion of the cost of their businesses and then privatize the profit. I understand that if you give $10 million of taxpayer money to one business the other business cannot survive.
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How do you expect me to set up links to council meeting held before the internet came along? The buildings are there. The others have closed. You cannot subsidize one without subsidizing their competitors. That is government picking winners and losers. If the theater owner had been given $10-million they could have put in the latest I-Max theaters also.
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What has been set in motion is a hybrid socialism where every city has to bid against every other city on a constant-basses. Every few years the business play musical cities looking for the highest bidders. The ungodly greedy win and the citizens lose. Amazon deal no doubt cut their tax bill by billions. When businesses don’t pay their share, it is shifted to other tax payers and the poor.
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There are currently two pilot programs in the United States where a guaranteed wage is given to anyone that is unemployed. If they start a business the wage is continued until the business gets on its feet. It is also being experimented with in Europe. A guaranteed wage is a pay check just like you and I get.
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One of the biggest costs of local governments is paying for prisoners held in the local jail. If you put someone in jail it costs the county $48.25 a day. If you incarcerate 20 illegals for 6 months waiting for ICE to come get them it would cost $347,400 to keep them until ICE bothered to come after them. I could enforce city and state laws that had been adopted by city statue, but I could not enforce state laws. I am not sure that local officials could enforce federal law and that includes holding them. I don’t know of any laws passed to protect them and if they did federal law trumps state or local law.
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As stated in and earlier part of this post the cost of holding illegals would quickly sink local governments if they had a lot of illegals.
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When we called the Feds to come and get the illegals, they came up with all kinds of excuses why they could not pick them up. After their feet were held to the fire they finally came and then they just kicked three of them free. After that they made damn sure that we would never retain any illegals ever again. In future we were to get their identification and mail a copy to them and then they would decide whether to come after them. The ICE agents should be in a day’s drive of every city.
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Yeah, it was a real question. Point being you are just as dead killed by an American as killed by an illegal alien. No matter what they do there will always be illegals aliens and there will always be crime.
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All the great tribes that one populated the eastern United States were driven from their land to small reservations out west. Those that they could not kill they herded west. You look at how much land that the Indian population was virtually wiped out. The truth is always the truth whether you believe it or not.
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The story is part of history and no revisionist history will replace it. You are much like the Nazis insist the holocaust never took place it was just a story made up by the Jews. Those incidences did not show up in any history book I ever saw. That would show an understanding of germs long before they knew germs existed. Germs were not discovered until 1860.
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They have actually found quite a few after large meteors struck the earth. Those that were not incinerated by the initial blast died in a winter caused by all of the debris propelled into the atmosphere similar to what pollution is doing now.
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There are no permanent residence in Antarctica no one live in a volcano, no lives at the bottom ocean. When the oceans wash over coastal cities, as is already beginning, no one will live in the surf.
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A city in Texas was protesting the wall today because it will effectively change the border with the wall ruining their property.
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Geneticist and the KKK don’t agree with you.
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You have a persecution complex. I never paid attention to how anybody dressed we all wore blue jeans, and this was long before there was such a thing as designer jeans. It was before the me generation. If there were clothes that were more expensive than others, I would have never paid any attention. I never defined myself by what was around me. You can never let others define you, you have to define yourself.
You still carry a lot of anger around with you because your experience in high school and that explains a lot of your political positions. Anger is seldom resolved it may lay dormant, but it always smolders. I have two Chihuahuas when playing with them if one of them gets upset you can see her eyes look for the other Chihuahua to take her anger out on him. She might be upset with me, but she is going to target her anger at the other Chihuahua. That is what Trump did, he directed the anger toward others and that is his best skill set.
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When a law is found unconstitutional, they go back to the drawing board. It is usually just a few small portions of that are found unconstitutional once the offending section are removed a new law replaces the old and that is what happened in this case. Trump’s immigration program went through a similar process being determined unconstitutional and later adjusted.
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Adjusting taxes for inflation has nothing to do with changing how to determine inflation. If the inflation calculation stayed the same the tax brackets would have changed much more. It is ridiculous to use a false figure such as replacing the actual cost of housing with what you would rent your home to yourself. Now the Republicans want to be able to use substitutes for the goods in the market basket. In other words, if beef goes up you substitute chicken, if chicken goes up than you can substitute garbage because it is cheaper. This means inflation figures are lie but it keeps social security from keeping up with the real cost of living freeing up more social security money to be used for tax cuts for the ungodly greedy.
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The only people that want to get rid of freedom are the conservatives who want to take even the most basic freedom in the world and that is the freedom of your own biological processes. That would indeed make the founding fathers spin in their grave.

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There were always conservatives who don’t want things to change they want to bring back the good old days. That is the very definition of the word. Conservatives are afraid of change.
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I can purchase insurance from any health insurance company in the United States. During open enrolment I am bombarded with applications from all kinds of insurance. The 2900% increase for health insurance was self-funded. In other words, the city paid all the medical expenses and paid blue cross a 10% administrative fee. So, the 2900% really reflects only the increasing cost of medical care. No amount of competition can provide insurance below the actual cost of medical care. More competition is foolish pipe dream for idiots, It is BS.

Zardoz
 
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Reply Sun 17 Feb, 2019 08:54 pm
@Baldimo,
Are you saying the leftist are the ones that voted for Trump? Very few of those on the left voted for President Pussy Graber. Trump and his family were retweeting the adds do you think they were against Trump? Do you know of any adds that accused Trump of running a child molesting ring out pizza parlor and then serving the children for lunch? This was believed by so many people that the pizza parlor was attacked by guy with a gun.
You are taking one sentence out of context in the article “The refrain has become: “There is no evidence that the Russian effort changed any votes.””

But and it is a huge, “but” the following paragraph lays out the truth
“But the bombshell 37-page indictment issued Friday by Robert Muller against Russia Internet Research Agency and its leadership and affiliates provides considerable detail on the Russian information warfare targeting the American public during the election. And this information makes it increasingly difficult to say that the Kremlin effort to impact the American did not succeed.”

The Russian attack was far more sophisticated than anyone ever imagined. Russia people had been in place for years and had infiltrated organizations like the NRA using stolen identities and social security numbers so they would appear to be Americans. It was far beyond face book adds.

“Candidate adds were mostly pro-Trump, anti-Clinton.”

That was from your source and that say it all. The few negative adds about Trump were an effort to gain people’s trust in their web site so they would read the rest of the garbage. I can find nothing about the publisher of your web article. Might it be the Russians?
Zardoz
 
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Reply Sun 17 Feb, 2019 09:09 pm
@Baldimo,
Things got done for years in a bipartisan way budgets were written and passed. When Obama became president, a yearly budget could no longer be passed the government operated on continuing resolutions of a few months. The Republicans said let the public be damned we block everything that Obama tries to do.

Zardoz
 
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Reply Sun 17 Feb, 2019 10:51 pm
@Baldimo,
Not everyone is a thief and the drug company did indeed supply the drug free to those who needed it, as reported by NBC news. Only a small fraction of the population had this condition that paralyzed them. The drug company did indeed provide the drug for free for those that needed it. Drug company B comes along and buys the drug patent from company A. They alter the formula slightly, it called a me-too drug, used to extend the patent, and set the price at $375,000. With the drug your child walks normally without he is paralyzed. Lucky for the child in the report their insurance company picked up the cost. But those who are insured will pay the thieving drug company through higher premiums. This is probably the best example of capitalism at work, greedism. Since the first drug company gave the drug away the cost to manufacture it was less than $10.

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That was a story on NBC Nightly news. “Bernie Sanders Outraged Once-Free Drug Now Costs $375,000”
Source: Huffington Post
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When the AAA was found unconstitutional it was simply rewritten and replaced. John Wayne made a fortune off of this law. He bought up thousands of acres of worthless land and was paid $100,000 a year for not growing anything on his worthless land
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You can have excess of anything including wealth.
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Did you ever play monopoly? That is a representation of real life. When a player accumulates all the wealth the game is over. With monopoly you can start a new game in real life it takes a revolution. Once the wealth of country is all in the hands of a few the general population is faced with a choice die starvation or revolt.
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Excess wealth appears in every society. Say there is $100 trillion in circulation once the ungodly greedy have 99% the general population will starve just as is now happening in Venezuela. Many will quietly starve and watch as their children starve but others will not go quietly to their death, they will take the ungodly greedy with them.
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Of all of man’s worst traits greed is the worst, wanting more than you could ever use in fifteen lifetimes is bad but actually accumulating that much wealth is worse. Just to continually wanting more and more for no reason is just trying to fill a black hole.
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One gun is no good against a marauding mob with thousands of guns.
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Dictators are always far right politically the left set up constitutional governments. The left will lead that revolution. In this country it is Republicans that have always fought social security and want to eliminate it now. They knew the elderly were starving to death and they did everything their power to stop social security from becoming law. If the Republicans had their way there would be no entitlements, no unemployment, no social security disability, no Medicare, no housing assistance and no Medicaid. We would be just like Venezuela.

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When the ungodly greedy get 99% of the wealth it is the trigger for revolution. The population of Venezuela is now starving they are not starving because they have lots of money. A good indication of whether the ungodly greedy have 99% of the wealth is whether the population is starving to death.
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Rome was not built in a day and it will take time to strip the ungodly greedy of the country’s wealth. Not everyone in Vietnam is starving to death as was the case when the French had control.
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We have had the votes to change the constitution in the past and there will be the votes to change in the future.
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Nixon’s price controls did control prices for a year. Price control is not capitalism and Nixon was a Republican.
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Businesses owners start out middle and lower class and that is where the vast majority stay if they don’t go out of business. Most startup businesses fail within the first five years.
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The shutdown affected those without pay checks who had to go to food pantries to feed their family. The cost to the general economy is $6 trillion.
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Your point was that plumbers were not millionaires
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When you sight a source it no background can be found, it like it just popped up overnight, like it was from Russia.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 18 Feb, 2019 08:55 am
@Zardoz,
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You been swing in a sea of propaganda for so long that you have no idea that there is a difference between propaganda and facts.

This more accurately describes the left and their beliefs on Global Warming.

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Global warming is accepted main stream science only the fringe right and the ungodly greedy owned businesses who are responsible for pumping millions of tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere dispute it.

It's actually "man made global warming" that is doubted, the climate has always changed and will always change.

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A few degrees increase in temperature will throw the well-balanced ecosystem out of balance. Soon much of the planet will not be habitable. You need only look at the fires in California, the increasing strength of Hurricanes, and increasing floods. These will be places where people can no longer live.

We have been hearing that for well over 20 years now and nothing has really changed. Every climate change prediction made in the last 20 years has been wrong.

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Some American cities now go underwater when the tides comes in.

Yeah? Which cities would that be, fact's proof links?

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What Trump and his band of ill repute didn’t realize that after the initial Russian break in of the DNC was that US intelligence agencies would now be proactive and laying in wait for future Russian attacks at the most likely places.

I guess you have missed the Senate Intelligence Committee news lately. Their investigation has said there was no Trump/Russia Collusion.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/07/richard-burr-senate-russia-investigation-1156624

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When Trump called on the Russian to wage a cyber attack on the United States not one person in the crowd laughed but you still insist it was a joke.

They actually did laugh and clap. See Hillary claimed the emails were deleted, if they were deleted how could anyone hack what wasn't available?

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How did they discover more of Clinton’s e-mails? They got a hold of the computer of someone Clinton had sent e-mail to. In theory everyone of her e-mails could be located if everyone that received e-mail from her would come forward.

This wouldn't have been an issue if Hillary had used the secure network and her govt issued email. This was a problem of her own creation because she didn't follow the rules for email.

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Clinton’s e-mails were scoured by the FBI and only a very few were classified and of those they were only marked with a tiny c in one corner. No one would have known that they were classified.

You once again have no clue as to what you are talking about. She never turned her emails over to the FBI, she deleted them and then used Bleach Bit to scrub the drives clean. So the FBI never saw her full server intact.

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You can have an excess of anything, you can have excess weight, you can have excess sex, you can have excess rain, you can have excess wind and you can certainly have excess wealth.

There is no such things as excess wealth, it's a subjective measure.

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That is exactly how it works. Say that those making over $200,000 pay 58% of income tax tells us absolutely nothing without knowing what portion of the income they have.

Nothing in our tax code accounts for how much of the "wealth" they have in relation to the taxes they pay. Stop making things up that have no basis in reality.

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A dead person can no longer manage their wealth, if they die without a will the government decides how their estate will be distributed.

Proof fact's links?

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The economy expanded for 8 years under Obama the longest economic expansion in history at that time, of course the Republicans had completely sunk the economy, so Obama got to start from zero. You do understand that a 2% expansion is an expansion.

No, 2% would be an expansion if it increased over the years, econ growth during the Obama years was stagnant. We never saw above 2% growth in the 8 years he was in office, Trumps first year in office broke that stagnant growth.

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Unemployment has been measured the same way for decades it only measures those looking for work for a reason. You could be disabled, you could have had a nervous breakdown, you decided to be a hermit, you were making too much money selling drugs, or your daddy was rich, and you did not need to work. If you are not interest in working, you are not counted. If all those people were counted Trump’s unemployment numbers would be over 10%.

You continue to prove you have no idea what you are talking about. People were being measured but when they hit their maximum amount of time they could be on unemployment and they dropped off the rolls. When they drop off the rolls because they timeout, that doesn't count as getting a job. It's one of the reasons why the worker participation rate is a good # to use. It was actually at it lowest participation rate in years under Obama, it has finally started to go back up to show true participation in the work force.

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Trump will have raised the deficit by $1.5 trillion in two years.

That is actually at a slower pace than when Obama was in office.

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The democrats had controlled congress for years and not one time did they push massive tax cuts for the ungodly greedy.

The DNC is greed, they think the money people makes belongs to the govt, it's the reason our govt was in such trouble in the late 70's and early 80's.

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They had not only balanced the budget for 30 years they were in the process of paying it off when Reagan showed up.

The DNC never once pushed for a balanced budget, you are straight faced lying.

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It only goes off the rails when Reagan starts running the train.

Wrong again, Reagan actually saved the economy and changed our tax system for the better.

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Bush was warned the terrorist had already made a trial run using a plane and Bush refused to meet with the man that was the head of counter terrorism he was too busy vacationing on his ranch to even bother to talk to the man. In this case if someone tells the president that terrorists are planning to attack New York and Washington and he goes on vacation then that is his fault first year or not.

The lies you tell.

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You have to have a veto proof majority, a few months, isn’t enough. That is why Trump could not shove that $5.6 billion for the wall through.

I love the denial of the left and the amount of votes Obama had in his first 2 years of his admin.

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Private e-mail accounts are on private servers not government servers.

Stop talking about things you don't have knowledge about. You don't know the difference between a Yahoo email account and having your own private server.

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Since they were on private servers no one knows whether they turned them all over. It is likely that when they used private servers they did so because they did not want others in the government to know what was in those e-mails.

That's not how this works and you continue to prove you know nothing about how email or govt computer systems work.

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This has nothing at all to do with the Russian cyber-attack they were directed by Trump to get Clinton’s e-mails not Podesta’s.

According to the Clinton campaign, no one hacked her private email server. Plus it was already deleted and Bleach Bitted and moved to another location. You continue to prove you know nothing.

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Podesta e-mal was compromised by a simple fishing attack. He opened and e-mail that ask him to change his password which he did. That did not happen 30 minutes after Trump directed the Russian to stage a cyber-attack.

The only hacking claims against the Russians during the election came from Podesta and other DNC email accounts. The wikileaks release had everything to do with Podesta's emails.

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Read Comey’s book or find the speech he gave live on television after the FBI concluded their investigation. Comey is one of those rare straight arrows whose only concern was the FBI’s reputation.

Comey's book is filled with lies. He's going to be having an appointment soon with the Senate to go over the lies he has told.

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You did not prove anything Podesta e-mail was compromised by a simple fishing scam long before Trump’s speech.

The lies you continue to tell. Podesta's email was hacked around March 2016, Trump gave his speech in July.

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Trump did not direct Russian to find John Podesta 30,000 missing e-mails, they had been monitoring Podesta account shortly after the break in at the DNC. Trump directed the Russians to get Clinton’s e-mails. If Clinton e-mails had been hacked, they would have been posted on Wikileaks

So there was no hacking of Hillary's email, the server had already been deleted and had Bleach Bit run on it. Why weren't the emails handed over the govt like they were suppose to be before they were deleted?

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There were a few things that come from individual sources that can’t be easily confirmed but that does not mean they are not true, but the vast majority has been corroborated. For instance, the incident in a hotel room where Trump watches as Russian prostitutes pee on the bed that Obamas slept in when they were in Russia. What do we know for sure? Trump holds a business meeting about holding the Miss Universe pageant with the Russian that was held at a Pee Bar, owned by Sheldon Alderson, the entertainment is women peeing on each other. I don’t know about you but that is not what I want to watch while I am eating. So here we have a man who loves to watch women pee. If he would do it here, he would do it in Russia. We know that the KBG have been grooming Trump to be President for 30 years. Did you wonder why Trump marries women from communist countries. Trump’s first wife was questioned by the secret police every time she went home as well; as her father when he traveled to America.

You are truly a twisted person, everything you have said in this paragraph has been disproved. Keep the lies coming.

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Steele was a long-standing source for the FBI he was considered one of their most accurate sources for years. That happens long after the fact.

He was a fired and discredited asset.

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Hacking is one thing interfering with an election is quite another. When the KBG uses Wikileaks to post what they hacked after making a deal with Trump to lift the sanctions it is lights year away from hacking.

This never happened. In fact Trump has leveled more sanctions on Russia than Obama did.

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I don’t know what you read but there are fact checks posted after every major political speech, but Trump tells a thousand time as many lies as any president in history. Even his attorney’s will tell you he is a pathological liar. Trump’s attorney told him if you testify in front congress you might as well get your orange hat and jump suit. Trump can’t stop lying if he wanted to.

I doubt the "fact check's" for the simple reason they are bias. They give certain people a pass for "small lies" while highlighting the "small lies" of others. I'll trust the fact checkers once they start applying the same level of "checking" to the rest of our politicians. When they let Harry Reid lie on the floor of the Senate, they can't be trusted.

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I don’t know about you, but I don’t want anyone reading my private e-mails.

Then don't use your work email for private emails and vice versa. She was given a govt email account for official work related emails. She never used it, instead she violated the law and setup a private server in her basement.

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Women gossip and no doubt make remarks that they would not want known. They tell you anything that you write on a work computer is fair game. I can understand wanting some privacy. They were not on a government server.

Her emails should have been on a govt server, she violated the law, which was changed after the previous admin.

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The Republicans will still be running against Hillary 50 years after she is dead.

That depends on if she keeps popping up and trying to make herself relevant.

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I have met people like Comey’s before and they are very rare. Comey’s was a Republican hero when he announced the investigation into Clinton’s e-mails. Then he was a villain to the Republicans when he cleared then he was hero again when the investigation was reopened. Then back to villain when he cleared her the second time. He did not lie he would not be used by the political hacks on either side.

That investigation was a scam against the American people. Hillary violated the laws in relation to her email server and Comey let her get away with it. After all, it was "her turn" to be President.

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There are requirements for car insurance why should there not be minimum requirements for health insurance?

The difference is the laws on car insurance are state laws and not federal laws. We should have no federal laws on such things, leave it to the states, as the Constitution intended.






 

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