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The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

 
 
Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jan, 2019 10:11 am
@Zardoz,
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Let’s just say that ISIS is in the business of killing people, they are professionals.

President Obama called them the JV team...

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The quote was exact “very fine people on both sides.” When was the last time a politician called the Neo-Nazis “very fine people?” Never.

Except you and the MSM took what he said out of context.

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Your quote is not the original it came only after the whole country condemned Trump’s previous remarks and the members of his administration were resigning left and right over his first remarks.

Yes, it is the original quote in it's correct context, not the lie told by the MSM and believed by suckers like you. So easily swayed by propaganda.

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What the right is pushing is figures they got from Immigration and Naturalization Department 10 years ago which factored the 200,000 a year border captures and not the 15,000 a year now. We have the source you just didn’t read the article. The article that Pew used the 10-year-old figures to come up with the number. If you will read the full article it tells you that they only counted the aliens that arrived by air and sea meaning none of the aliens that got here crossing the land with visas were counted in those figures. Meaning there are far more aliens that got here with visa then illegally crossing the border. From your source.

Wrong again. You can try and play with the stats and wording all you want, the fact is that more than 50% of the total illegal immigrant population in the US came from across the border.

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“It also projected that overstays made up about two-thirds of the total number of people who became unauthorized immigrants that year (2014).”

2/3 for that year, not a population total.

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The ungodly greedy and people like Trump have been importing illegals for years and it will take years to deport them. Rome wasn’t built in a day.

More lies, the left doesn't want to see anyone deported, not even criminals, it's the reason they pass Sanctuary City laws and now entire states are joining the movement. Stop lying about the lefts intent with illegal immigration, it's about their "future voters".

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You don’t get the point, if you build the wall the borders cities economies will collapse because the majority of their business is coming from Mexico.

Where do you come up with these lies? Mexico is dependent on the US, not the other way around. US cities on the border have only seen an increase in security and their economy when they get a barrier. Jim Acosta proved this with his failed propaganda stunt, when he proved a barrier prevented a crisis.

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You have to be able to walk a mile in someone else’s shoes.

No actually I don't, the only shoes I'm expected to walk in are my own.

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The law pending in the WV legislature does exactly that by exempting business machinery and inventory. This would take 100s of millions off the county tax rolls. The residents would still pay property tax on their cars, campers and boats but the car dealer with hundreds of cars on his lot would be exempt.

How much money do you really think your country collects? At best your country would have a budget not exceeding 5 to 10 million.

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The Peter Principal is applicable to all organizations you should read the book.

Considering we have kids getting worthless degree's like women's studies, it isn't surprising such people get promoted to positions they are incompetent to do. If we pushed real degree's that actually have a place in normal society and not in SJW society, we would see less of this "Peter Principal"

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When compared to other professionals with comparable educations they are underpaid.

What professionals are you comparing them with?

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Supply and demand is a cornerstone principal of capitalism and you are saying it doesn’t work.

There is no demand for massive amounts of administrators in the public school system, is it artificial demand and it is ruining our school systems and depriving them of the resources they need.

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As union president I had to know where every penny was spent or where it was hidden. We knew more about the budgets than the councilmen. You can’t negotiate a contract until you knew where the money was hidden. I spent 100s of hours watching budgets being drawn up.

Talk about greedy unions.

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No in most cases it doesn’t you may own the property but someone else owns the mineral rights.

That would only happen if a previous owner secured the mineral rights and then didn't sell them with the land, I live in oil country in CO, I'm aware of how such things work.

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There is no doubt the Russian military’s hard work was responsible for Trumps election. What went unnoticed before is that the Russians had offered their help in several presidential elections going back to 1964. But the Russian help was turned down by every presidential candidate except Trump who jumped at the chance.

Sorry to tell you, the Russians didn't get Trump elected, Trump got Trump elected. The rest of your paragraph is just plain old BS, the only people they would offer to help were the leftists, those friendly to the USSR, like Bernie Sanders. You know he and his wife took their honeymoon to the USSR, like good Commies.

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You are posting misinformation that the Russian Military is responsible for posting. I can always post the title of an article which a simple search will find it easily.

Sorry, the stats and links I use are all primary sources, nothing Russian related, you have Russia stuck on the brain.

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Only the right would advocate starving children to death.

Wrong again.

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If we do not educate the next generation there is no future for America. When the country was started indentured servants was the way the next generation was educated.

We are educating our children, it's the leftists who want to use propaganda as fact. That isn't education, that's indoctrination.

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You do realize that your opinion is just that an opinion because you think it is a worthless degree doesn’t make it so. It takes a number of different fields of study to accomplish a project.

Not an opinion, people with worthless degree's are the one's being stuck with years of student loan payments. You won't find an Engineer still paying off their student loans 30 years later, but you will find a women's study degree being paid off for decades. When your education costs over$100k, a $30k a year job won't pay for the obligation they picked up.

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At $13.97 a month it comes to $167.40 a year. When I called Amazon, they had no explanation for the charges, but it was billed as Amazon Prime. The charges were taken off, but I received an e-mail listing all the things that I would lose if I canceled the account.

Funny, I get Amazon Prime for $120 a year, last year it cost me $99 a year. Sorry to tell you, but Amazon Prime doesn't come with books, that is a separate program, Kindle Unlimited.

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I do have a Kindle Fire, but the problem is with another earlier model that is also a tablet.

So there fore my statement stands, e-readers don't get virus's but tablets can. Admit you were wrong.

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None are so blind as those who refuse to see.

Yes, you refuse to see the disaster that comes with Socialism.

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There may be some dumb criminals, but it is a way life to others, and they take pride in their work just like anyone else.

Not only do you give them to much credit, it seems you hold them in high regard as well.

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Reported by NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, The New York Times, The Washington Post and just about any other respectable news organization in America reported on Trump’s threats. There is no bias possible in reporting trump’s Tweets word for word.

What threats, you have failed to provide anything of substance. Those same media sources also dropped the ball on the Catholic School kids being harassed and they also dropped the ball with their fake story about Cohen that the Mueller Team had to come out and correct. Most of our modern MSM sources are bias to the core.

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You can’t do a link to picture on television, but you can read “House of Trump House of Putin: The Untold Story of Donald Trump and the Russian Mafia”

Sure you can, if one TV media source provided the picture you can bet that an online version was also released it. Don't be lazy and do some actual research for once. TV news is becoming dead, more and more people are getting their news from online.

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When the constitution needs changed the votes will be there.

As I've said before, good luck, you need 2/3 of the states... you don't have 2/3, you don't even have half the state Governors, it's 27 GOP to 23 DNC.

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Because you have good health today does not mean you will have it tomorrow. Mental changes can and do take place just as physical health can be lost one’s mental health can also be lost.

Sorry, but the odds are in my favor. I eat right, so some light exercise and my gene's are strong. The likely hood of my health taking a turn are slim, if I'm wrong maybe you will outlive me and you can gloat.

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Do you have any doubt that people get dementia? Some people suffer from dementia as early as their 50s. Do you think they would not kill you because they think you are going to harm them? It doesn’t have to be true they just have to believe it is true.

I don't doubt people get denentia, I think Nancy Pelosi is suffering from it right now. My mother-in-law is 66 and has advanced Parkinson's, I'm fully aware of what happens when you get old. My dad is 71 and is more active than the average 25 year old.

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No, you don’t get to count just the murders you have to take credit for all 40,000 deaths by guns, the accidental ones, the suicides and all those killed looking down the barrel of an “empty” gun.

Wrong again. We count the murders, we already know that countries with gun laws like Japan has thousands more suicide deaths than the US does.

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If anything, one has an absolute right to control the biological processes of one’s body.

I'll ask again, if our "rights" have to be written down to be given, then were is abortion mentioned in the Constitution. According to you, since abortion isn't mentioned it isn't a right. Gun ownership on the other hand is the 2nd Right mentioned...
Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jan, 2019 10:57 pm
@Baldimo,
I don’t know exactly how many people ISIS killed but I am sure 68 people with a truck is only a tiny fraction of the people they have killed.
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You really have no idea that what you referenced came days after Trump caused an s storm with the original “very fine people” remark. Your context was just Trump trying to dig himself out of a hole.
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If you can’t see that Trump is busy trying to defend himself after the original remark you need to have your eyes checked. Trumps original remark was made on Aug 14 his defense of the remark was made on Aug 15 where your “context” comes from.
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The stats you are depending on are out of date and the largest number of visas are left out of the stats completely. Your stats including only those with visas from air planes and boats. Anyone that came by land is excluded. You can’t count only a fraction of visas and claim to have a valid number. Mexicans have been crossing the Mexican
borders with visas to work the fields for decades.
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The one year is a sample in time that represents the other years. There were more border apprehensions in 2014 than there were in 18. When border apprehensions go down the fraction of visas go up.
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There are no sanctuary cities around here and no ICE agents either. If they had any intent ICE could working on the other 99% of the country but they don’t. I would bet if you found another 25 illegals working on a job site that ICE would refuse to come get them. They would just tell you to take down their information and mail it to them. Things didn’t get this way because Immigration and naturalization was doing their job and ICE is just a name change the same people remain. Recent polls showed Trump with a 50% approval rating by Hispanics. Remember Trump’s base is the under educated and Hispanics surely qualify.
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In Texas there are Tiny cities in America while the corresponding city in Mexico is twenty times larger. Who do you think gets the most economic benefit?
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Human civilization is impossible without empathy.
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Personal property taxes are expensive and $500 a year on a new car is not unheard of. A business owning a few D-9s would save $10,000 just on those to pieces of machinery. A manufacturing plant at least $100,000 on their machinery an inventory. The school board budget is $60 million alone without the county operating budget and both are derived from property taxes and all the cities get a cut of property tax. When the down town was made an empowerment zone meaning the property tax money from new construction and any increase in property taxes for the next 30 years could only be spent in the empowerment zone. Property tax on a 120-year-old house was raised by $400 a year to fund the school system. When taxes on the rich are cut taxes on the working man are raised to make up the difference. This tax cut will result in a huge tax increase for everyone else. The raise will be closer to a $1,000 than $400 this round.
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Women’s studies have helped women improve their lives much the same way black studies have helped blacks advance. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and usefulness is also.
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To others with comparable educations. For instance, those working on computers generally make more than those teaching history or math.
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We were just trying to survive. In fact, we made considerably less than we made 40 years ago it was all about managing the losses.
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To sell the mineral rights you must have bought a property with mineral rights in the first place. Someone can also lease the mineral rights. My mom leased the mineral rights on a farm to an oil company for a year. The company did’t renew the lease.
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Sorry, but in the real-world actions have consequences and the Russians gave it their all. There were hundreds of false stories aimed at the people who were most likely to believe them, and these people sent those false stories to their friends and they sent them to their friends. These people never watch the news, read a news paper or read a book so they believe anything they read especially from their friends. If it was in print it had to be true. These people don’t have a common-sense filter and they have no other reference to check the information against.

To say that the Russian psychological attack didn’t work is like saying advertisement doesn’t work. Trumps electoral victory was made possible by only a few thousand votes in three states. To say the billions spent by the Russians didn’t influence a few thousands of votes is unbelievable.
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Since the Russians are posting all sorts of misinformation how do you think you would know? Do you think it would be signed Russian military? It is not and some of the information being sent to top reporters are high level forgeries one used actual documents from Muller court cases mixed in with Russian misinformation to discredit Muller’s investigation. If professionals with vast resources have a difficult time telling what is Russian misinformation how would you know?
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The right has proudly pushed their agenda for years. They want to eliminate “entitlements” social security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment, and welfare it would dawn on an idiot that the people who depend on many of those programs have children that would starve to death without them but that is what the right wants.
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The right has put a college education beyond the reach of the middle class and now they want to destroy primary education. A bill that the Republicans tried to sneak through the legislature would create charter schools which siphon off the publication education funds to for profit schools. Charter schools take students at the first year and get the tax dollars then they kick the students back to the county but get to pocket the money. Slimbaugh advocates doing away with public schools altogether and believes parents should pay for their children’s education. Slimbaugh doesn’t want to pay property tax on his mansion.
Children should be taught to think for themselves at home. If the child knows how to think he is not going to be indoctrinated But, since the religious cults routinely indoctrinate children in America most children are easily indoctrinated by others.

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Engineers are no exception in many cases an engineering degree requires a fifth year to complete meaning even bigger student loans. The Public works director position at the city did require a civil engineering degree. The job only paid $60,000 a year not enough to pay back the student loans.
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I looked for a bill with the charge on it today but didn’t find it I may be off a little on the pocket change, but I know the $13 is correct. You should have them send you an e-mail about everything you will lose when you cancel. I have no idea what they signed me up for but whatever it was I didn’t authorize it.
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I don’t keep up with the high tech much and e-reader and a tablet were both used for reading I never used the other features of the tablets much.
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A Ferrari and a model T are both cars but there is a world of difference. The rich cry socialism to get a bigger and bigger share of the economic pie. It is like crying wolf to fleece the workingman. One of the rich the other days was saying 70% income tax was socialism. But when America was prosperous the income tax was 93% to pay off the debt from WWII. The same rich were fond of calling it capitalism then. The rich socialism to try to convince get people the sky is falling. Socialism is just a word the rich use to change the direction of the herd. You have been indoctrinated whether you realize it or not.
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I have dealt with a number of professional criminals and I was always surprised how fast they could make up another story to fit facts standing in front of the judge. They could think fast on their feet and could fool many people.
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I can look at the film of that confrontation and tell what was going on. That was just minutes from exploding and that brat and his friends would have beat that old man to death because they would not take the blacks on that were intimidating them. Many people that were lynched or beaten to death looked into that same expression. Nothing at all changed from the first report to the last. You have to depend on reading faces when you are one among 50. Do you know who is planting these stories to discredit the Muller investigation? Trump’s favorite people the Russians. When Cohen’s court testimony was printed side beside by the report they were essentially the same except for a few details and Russians desperately want to discredit that investigation.
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I have never seen that picture on line, but it has been run several times on television to show how close Trump and the Russian mob are. It was run on Meet the Press Daily. It would be like Roosevelt being surrounded by Al Capone and his gang during his inauguration.
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When it comes time there will be enough people to change it. Trump has damaged the Republican party for the next 50 years.
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Your genes might be good, and your health might be good today, but you are susceptible to a head injury that might completely change your personality you might decide to kill your whole family one day.
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My dad was fine until his mid-70s, a doctor prescribed a drug that has been linked to mass murders. It completely changed him until he got off of that drug.
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If we are looking at gun deaths, then all gun deaths have to be counted.
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If there ever was a right that was self-evident it is the control of your body.



Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2019 12:44 pm
@Zardoz,
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I don’t know exactly how many people ISIS killed but I am sure 68 people with a truck is only a tiny fraction of the people they have killed.

We aren't talking about ISIS actually, we are talking about a guy who claimed to be inspired by ISIS, he killed 68 people with a vehicle.

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You really have no idea that what you referenced came days after Trump caused an s storm with the original “very fine people” remark. Your context was just Trump trying to dig himself out of a hole.

Wrong again, I provided his original statement, the media has been lying to you, and you believe them, you are nothing but a sucker to these people.

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The stats you are depending on are out of date and the largest number of visas are left out of the stats completely. Your stats including only those with visas from air planes and boats. Anyone that came by land is excluded. You can’t count only a fraction of visas and claim to have a valid number. Mexicans have been crossing the Mexican
borders with visas to work the fields for decades.

Wrong again, those were stats available at the time the article was written in 2017. You can't defeat the facts, so you claim they are old. Weakness at it's best.

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There are no sanctuary cities around here and no ICE agents either. If they had any intent ICE could working on the other 99% of the country but they don’t. I would bet if you found another 25 illegals working on a job site that ICE would refuse to come get them. They would just tell you to take down their information and mail it to them. Things didn’t get this way because Immigration and naturalization was doing their job and ICE is just a name change the same people remain.

Don't be daft. You know damn well that there are more and more sanctuary cities joining the trend of ignoring Federal Immigration laws. They will end up loosing in court.

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Recent polls showed Trump with a 50% approval rating by Hispanics. Remember Trump’s base is the under educated and Hispanics surely qualify.

It would appear that Hispanics are not a single voting block, a lot of them understand illegal immigration is bad thing for the US, and they support the candidate that agree's with their views on immigration. The rest of your comment is racist.

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In Texas there are Tiny cities in America while the corresponding city in Mexico is twenty times larger. Who do you think gets the most economic benefit?

Proof, fact's links?

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Human civilization is impossible without empathy.

Empathy is a good thing, but it is used as a weapon in our modern day society. It isn't the be all and end all of civilization, and in the coming decades, our empathy is going to get us killed.

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Women’s studies have helped women improve their lives much the same way black studies have helped blacks advance. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and usefulness is also.

Useless degree's with no basis in the real working world. You actually have zero facts to back up this claim that those degee's have improved the lives of people. What sort of work do you get, working in the HR dept?

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To others with comparable educations. For instance, those working on computers generally make more than those teaching history or math.

Comparable educations has nothing to do with comparable work. I don't have a degree and I make over $80k a year and I work in the computer server field.

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While the Peter Principal tells us it is inevitable that organizations will get top heavy with administrative employees it is cyclical and if a business is to survive it must be corrected.

This has already happened back in the 80's when "middle management" when through massive layoffs.

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Union employee can’t advocate getting rid of administrative employees. A comprehensive study must be done to see which jobs are unnecessary and which can be combined, and cuts must be made. It takes someone with lots of courage because they will make a lot of enemies.

Are you talking about private or public sector?

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To sell the mineral rights you must have bought a property with mineral rights in the first place. Someone can also lease the mineral rights. My mom leased the mineral rights on a farm to an oil company for a year. The company did’t renew the lease.

You do know that not all mineral rights are known about at the time of the property purchase, some are not discovered for years afterwards.

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To say that the Russian psychological attack didn’t work is like saying advertisement doesn’t work. Trumps electoral victory was made possible by only a few thousand votes in three states. To say the billions spent by the Russians didn’t influence a few thousands of votes is unbelievable.

Wrong again. Did

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Since the Russians are posting all sorts of misinformation how do you think you would know? Do you think it would be signed Russian military? It is not and some of the information being sent to top reporters are high level forgeries one used actual documents from Muller court cases mixed in with Russian misinformation to discredit Muller’s investigation. If professionals with vast resources have a difficult time telling what is Russian misinformation how would you know?

You continue to give the Russians way to much credit.

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The right has proudly pushed their agenda for years. They want to eliminate “entitlements” social security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment, and welfare it would dawn on an idiot that the people who depend on many of those programs have children that would starve to death without them but that is what the right wants.

If you were aware of how many social welfare programs there really are, you might agree. Between all levels of govt, local to feds, there are over 170 programs, and waste and fraud are rampant in all of those systems.

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The right has put a college education beyond the reach of the middle class and now they want to destroy primary education.

Stop with the lies. The only people who have put a college education out of the reach of the average American is the college system. When they know the govt is going to pay whatever they charge, they have zero reason to keep tuition prices in check. They can charge what they want because the govt promises money to pay. The students and parents are getting screwed because of the greedy colleges.
Instead of pushing a college education, we should also be pushing trade schools.

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A bill that the Republicans tried to sneak through the legislature would create charter schools which siphon off the publication education funds to for profit schools.

Why are you against Parental choice in education? Public schools have been failing because they took their focus off of the basic's, reading, writing and math.

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Charter schools take students at the first year and get the tax dollars then they kick the students back to the county but get to pocket the money.

Fact's, proof, links? Your bias is showing.

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Slimbaugh advocates doing away with public schools altogether and believes parents should pay for their children’s education.

They could do so with lessened property taxes. Competition breeds lower costs, that's the problem with our current education system, there is no competition and therefore no price controls in the growth of costs.

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Slimbaugh doesn’t want to pay property tax on his mansion.
Children should be taught to think for themselves at home. If the child knows how to think he is not going to be indoctrinated But, since the religious cults routinely indoctrinate children in America most children are easily indoctrinated by others.

Sorry to tell you, but the indoctrination is coming for the extreme leftists. They are trying to convince children that they are not the sex they were born. Confusion for children is the aim of the leftists, turn their worlds upside down and you can convince them of anything.

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Engineers are no exception in many cases an engineering degree requires a fifth year to complete meaning even bigger student loans. The Public works director position at the city did require a civil engineering degree. The job only paid $60,000 a year not enough to pay back the student loans.

How many different types of Engineers do you think there are? Working for the public sector isn't good pay, if they want more money, they should work in the private sector.

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I looked for a bill with the charge on it today but didn’t find it I may be off a little on the pocket change, but I know the $13 is correct. You should have them send you an e-mail about everything you will lose when you cancel. I have no idea what they signed me up for but whatever it was I didn’t authorize it.

You more than likely did agree to it but didn't realize what you were doing.

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A Ferrari and a model T are both cars but there is a world of difference.

The only difference is the quality of the product and what you pay for it, other than that, they are both cars with 4 wheels and an engine, pedals to make the car go and stop.

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The rich cry socialism to get a bigger and bigger share of the economic pie.

You have that backwards, it's the left who screams for socialism so they can get a bigger piece of the economic pie. Since they can't create anything, they have to take it from those who actually did.

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It is like crying wolf to fleece the workingman. One of the rich the other days was saying 70% income tax was socialism. But when America was prosperous the income tax was 93% to pay off the debt from WWII. The same rich were fond of calling it capitalism then. The rich socialism to try to convince get people the sky is falling. Socialism is just a word the rich use to change the direction of the herd. You have been indoctrinated whether you realize it or not.

You don't have the slightest idea of what you are talking about, and it's proven with the slop you typed here.

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I can look at the film of that confrontation and tell what was going on.

No you can't, the video was a lie from the start.

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That was just minutes from exploding and that brat and his friends would have beat that old man to death because they would not take the blacks on that were intimidating them.

No it wasn't, you are making things up again. Why would they take anyone on, they were standing around waiting for their bus to show up. They were not the aggressors. You much like the rest of the media is now making things up to boost the profile of the lying Vet.

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Many people that were lynched or beaten to death looked into that same expression. Nothing at all changed from the first report to the last. You have to depend on reading faces when you are one among 50.

As I pointed out to another person on the board, you and promoting "face crime", the left is leading us directly into 1984.

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Do you know who is planting these stories to discredit the Muller investigation? Trump’s favorite people the Russians. When Cohen’s court testimony was printed side beside by the report they were essentially the same except for a few details and Russians desperately want to discredit that investigation.


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I have never seen that picture on line, but it has been run several times on television to show how close Trump and the Russian mob are. It was run on Meet the Press Daily. It would be like Roosevelt being surrounded by Al Capone and his gang during his inauguration.

You continue to be foolish. If that pic existed it would be all over the internet, yet you can't find it? That tells me it doesn't exist and you lied.

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When it comes time there will be enough people to change it.

You will never have the votes to change the 2nd Amendment.

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Trump has damaged the Republican party for the next 50 years.

Good for the GOP, I'm not concerned with the political parties, I'm more concerned with good ideas that aren't socialist in nature.

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Your genes might be good, and your health might be good today, but you are susceptible to a head injury that might completely change your personality you might decide to kill your whole family one day.

You are a sicko with mental problems. Major transference issues.

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If we are looking at gun deaths, then all gun deaths have to be counted.

The issue isn't gun deaths, it's murder and crime with guns. Suicide is not a crime, it was decriminalized back in 1961.

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If there ever was a right that was self-evident it is the control of your body.

Sure control of your body, but the govt has and does make medical procedures legal or illegal. Abortion is simply a medical procedure and now states like NY and Virigina are approving abortion up until the time of birth. So they have made it legal to murder an innocent viable human being. Abortion is murder.


Zardoz
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jan, 2019 11:38 pm
@Baldimo,
This wasn’t a lone wolf attack there were six others arrested that were responsible for this attack. This was a terrorist cell.
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You are telling me Trump statement is an apology for a remark he had not made yet. Read your version it is an apology for a statement he had made previously. He is trying to justify a previous statement. Find the original that was made on Monday, Aug 14 not the one made on Tuesday, Aug 15.
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The Article tells you that the stats were taken from the Department of Immigration and Naturalization that preceded ICE. It also tells you that none of the immigrants with visas that came by land were counted only those by air and sea this makes the stat complete useless for telling how many immigrants had visa and over stayed them.
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Sanctuary cities does not mean the Feds can’t enforce federal law it simply means that the cities law enforcement won’t assist them. The Fed law should always be enforced by the federal employees. For me to enforce a law it had to be a city law. I couldn’t enforce Federal laws. The cities are not empowered to enforce the Federal laws in the first place.
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It is not racist it is simply a statement of fact. The Hispanics that are here know that more immigrants coming into America will compete for their jobs and would like to stop immigration period. They are on the bottom rung of the latter.
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You really need to watch the news once in a while. The news media talked to mayor of McAllen Texas, a city of a 142,000, who explained they did not want or need a wall. Trump people had tried to intimidate them on at least 7 occasions so they would not say anything negative about the wall to the news media about Trump’s wall. The city of Reynosa, Mexico is just across the border it has a population of one million who shop in McAllen. Guess who loses?
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Without empathy civilization would cease to exist. Without the ability to see from the other person perspective we would still live in a jungle throwing excrement at each other.
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Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. That is, basically what women’s studies and black studies are about. The world has changed a good deal in the last 40 years for women. I worked with a divorced woman with children who had been told that she would either put out or she was fired. Lots of women were treated that way. To move forward you can’t forget the past. The director of Human Relations pays pretty good at the city.
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Work? From your posting times it looks like you spend your time at work on the internet. What has driven the high salaries in the computer field is supply and demand there are not enough qualified people yet.
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I have seen that happen a number of times where there were massive layoffs of administrative employees at large businesses. There had been 10 people doing the job I took over and did alone a few years later they decided they needed more people and bought in five administrative people. A few years later all the administrative people were laid off. When I left, they were back to four people and now they are down to two. I did the job myself for years but that is the way the administration works.
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Both private and public sectors need an outside consultant to evaluate their job assignments for waste every few years and eliminate the un necessary jobs and combine others. Administrative employees when hired will decide their job is to hard and they need an assistant then the assistant decides the job is too much and he needs an assistant and before long the business is top heavy.
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If you pay for a title search and most do you should know. I bought an acre lot next door and had a friend’s husband to the paper work, but I couldn’t tell you whether I have mineral rights. On residential property it is not usually a problem.
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The Russian generals have publicly stated that this new method of warfare has made all other methods of warfare obsolete. Imagine the Japanese after the atom bombs exploded denying that it happened. This is what makes this method of warfare so powerful that half the population denies that it is taking place even though the bombs are exploding all around them. The US is not the only country Russia is waging war against. Russia wants to destroy the European Union. They worked on the English Brexit vote with the same type of warfare. Two Universities studied how effective the Russian were in Briton and found that the Russians were responsible for changing 1.79% of the vote. If that figures holds in America Trump would not be president. The Russian military is attacking far more countries now than Hitler did in WWII that is the beauty of modern warfare cracking ignorance is the most powerful force on earth.
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Lots of people underestimated Hitler also.
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My uncle recently retired at 72 he has no pension and only has social security. In order to eat he applied for food stamps and was given $15 a month. The ungodly greedy want to focus the attention on waste when in fact there is far less waste in government programs than private. The administration of social security is around 1%. Medicare is also administered for far less than private insurance companies. The ungodly greedy want to drive a wedge between people so they won’t see that the ungodly greedy are stealing the country blind.
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Fifty years ago, a college education was affordable for anyone that was willing to cut a few lawns or work part time. What has changed is 40 years of massive tax cuts for the ungodly greedy each time taxes are cut for the ungodly greedy state funding for education was cut. I watched an episode of Twilight Zone the other night. A poor couple was granted a wish from a genie, they wished for a million dollars. When the million appeared, the genie told them that they would have to pay taxes on the million. The tax rate at the time was 93% so they owed $930,000 in federal tax and state tax would bring that to $964,000. They were left with $36,000 after taxes. The taxes were that high to pay off the debt from WWII. The ungodly greedy have nothing to complain about at 70%.
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The charter schools are falling apart also. They are not about education they are about profit. Any parent can send their child to any school they want but don’t use the tax dollars necessary for public schools.
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That comes from my sister who has taught in Florida for decades. The charter schools can take the kid and his money and then send the kid back to public school and bank his money. Charter schools have one reason to exist, a profit.
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Competition has done wonders for college tuition the same would happen with private schools. I don’t know about you but if I got back all of my property tax it would not pay for a fraction of tuition in a private school. If I had more than one child I would really be in a hole.
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No one is trying to convince children they are not the sex they are born, and no one can. It is the children themselves that decide to identify otherwise. You don’t believe that religious cults indoctrinate children almost from birth?
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A good portion of engineers work in the public sector because of the bridges and highways. From Chemical to Electrical there are many types of engineers but other carry the title who are not engineers.
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I have never had a problem with Amazon before and I pay close attention to any charges, but I do know that Wells Fargo opened twelve and thirteen accounts in people’s name without their knowledge. I had an antivirus that automatically renewed itself before I disputed the bill and blocked them from doing it again.
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A Ferrari and Model T may both be cars but there is a world of difference in the technology.
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You see the difference between the world’s greatest generation and the Reagan generation. In the 60s they believed that if you made a bill you paid a bill. The 60s not only believed that you paid your bills, but you lived in your means. They paid down the debt and lived in budget. The Reaganites believed you don’t pay your debts and you don’t live within your means and they borrowed $21 trillion to hand out in huge tax cuts to the ungodly greedy.
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Do you want to check and see if the tax rate was 93% in 1960? Do you doubt that they referred to our government as capitalist? You can’t dispute a word of it.
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Here we go again, “who are you going to believe me or your lying eyes?”
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Have you ever seen a bar fight? Everybody is just standing around having a good time and suddenly all hell breaks loose. A picture says a thousand words a video says millions.
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The human face is capable of 264 different expressions. Body language is far more important than the spoken word. They try to teach politicians to lie with body language, so they won’t betray themselves. If you are ever in a bad situation you better learn to read body language. Smiling faces lie. Sorry but body language is accepted science.
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There is a separate investigation going on into Trump’s inauguration and all the Russian mafia contributions by the New York office. It seems Trump raised over $200 million and only a fraction was spent. To try hide some of the contribution the Russian mafia bought all the liquor directly so it would not appear as a contribution. Not all the pictures on television find there way to the internet and I am sure Trump doesn’t want to see it again.
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Countries change one funeral at a time as the cowboy generation dies off the gun lobby’s power will be diminished and as people realize that American children are 36 times more likely to die of gun violence good sense will prevail.
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That is just a word that you will never be able to understand. The people that use it don’t understand as the Star Bucks founder demonstrated by believing that is his tax rate defined socialism.
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Did you ever know someone that got a head injury that changed their personality? Everyone is susceptible to head injuries. I was in a drug store one day when a clerk noticed that a man was shoplifting. She gently went over and asked the man to put the merchandize back. She explained to me that the man was the owner of a funeral home up the street. One night he slipped on the ice and got a head injury. After that he was never right and often shoplifted. It is easy to slip on the ice this time of year. Your life can change in an instant.
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If it is at the time of birth it isn’t an abortion, it’s a birth.



Baldimo
 
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@Zardoz,
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This wasn’t a lone wolf attack there were six others arrested that were responsible for this attack. This was a terrorist cell.

68 people died, the rest of the info doesn't matter.

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You are telling me Trump statement is an apology for a remark he had not made yet. Read your version it is an apology for a statement he had made previously. He is trying to justify a previous statement. Find the original that was made on Monday, Aug 14 not the one made on Tuesday, Aug 15.

I guess it falls on you to prove me wrong with opposing facts...

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The Article tells you that the stats were taken from the Department of Immigration and Naturalization that preceded ICE. It also tells you that none of the immigrants with visas that came by land were counted only those by air and sea this makes the stat complete useless for telling how many immigrants had visa and over stayed them.

Prove it.

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Sanctuary cities does not mean the Feds can’t enforce federal law it simply means that the cities law enforcement won’t assist them.

That means very little to the families of people who were killed because the city didn't want to work with the Feds. I thought our politicians worked for American citizens.

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The Fed law should always be enforced by the federal employees. For me to enforce a law it had to be a city law. I couldn’t enforce Federal laws. The cities are not empowered to enforce the Federal laws in the first place.

No one said they had to enforce federal laws, just hold onto illegal immigrant suspects until the feds can pick them up. At this point they either refuse to work with the Feds or ignore the orders all together, and disregard the safety of American citizens.

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You really need to watch the news once in a while.

I try but the bias is overwhelming and the lies they tell, I only watch my local news stations.

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The news media talked to mayor of McAllen Texas, a city of a 142,000, who explained they did not want or need a wall.

Good thing cities don't set Federal Immigration Policy, yet it seems they do with their sanctuary policies.

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Trump people had tried to intimidate them on at least 7 occasions so they would not say anything negative about the wall to the news media about Trump’s wall. The city of Reynosa, Mexico is just across the border it has a population of one million who shop in McAllen. Guess who loses?

Fact's, proof, links?

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Without empathy civilization would cease to exist.

I disagree.

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Without the ability to see from the other person perspective we would still live in a jungle throwing excrement at each other.

You don't seem to understand human nature, at all. Your level of empathy is directly related to how much of other people's money you can spend.

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Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Now just apply this to Socialism and Communism and you might just learn something about history.

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That is, basically what women’s studies and black studies are about.

No it isn't. Those degree's are worthless and have zero use in the real world. They were meant as a "empowerment" thing and nothing more.

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The world has changed a good deal in the last 40 years for women.

It has changed a lot and our current world looks nothing like it did 40 years ago, except if you talk to 3rd wave femenists, nothing has changed at all.

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Work? From your posting times it looks like you spend your time at work on the internet.

You think? I work on digital storage servers for a living, I wait for people to call with broken storage. No phone calls leaves me time to post.

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What has driven the high salaries in the computer field is supply and demand there are not enough qualified people yet.

That depends on the field you are in and what you are doing, there is everything from entry level easy stuff like resetting passwords for emails account to advance server troubleshooting of the hardware and software. I happen to be at the upper level of the field.

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Both private and public sectors need an outside consultant to evaluate their job assignments for waste every few years and eliminate the un necessary jobs and combine others.

Most private companies don't require that, unless they are massive companies. I have worked for many large companies and have never seen such a person come in. HP, Comcast, San Disk... you name it, never seen an outside consultant.

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Administrative employees when hired will decide their job is to hard and they need an assistant then the assistant decides the job is too much and he needs an assistant and before long the business is top heavy.


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If you pay for a title search and most do you should know. I bought an acre lot next door and had a friend’s husband to the paper work, but I couldn’t tell you whether I have mineral rights. On residential property it is not usually a problem.

That all depends on where you live. I live in oil country in CO, so oil under your home is possible. There are 4 oil well pump jacks I can see from my house.

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The Russian generals have publicly stated that this new method of warfare has made all other methods of warfare obsolete.

I'm sure they are saying that, with the success they have had in fooling the leftists in the US, I'm sure they are very proud of their new tactic. Just like the USSR of old, they found their useful idiots.

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Lots of people underestimated Hitler also.

You are going to compare Hitler with common US criminals?

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The ungodly greedy want to focus the attention on waste when in fact there is far less waste in government programs than private.

Wrong again, waste in a business is a loss of profit, do you really think they are going to tolerate a loss in profit? Govt on the other hand has no reason to eliminate waste, they can always raise taxes as they make no profit. Govt is the biggest waster of resources in the US.

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The administration of social security is around 1%. Medicare is also administered for far less than private insurance companies. The ungodly greedy want to drive a wedge between people so they won’t see that the ungodly greedy are stealing the country blind.

Wrong again, keeping more of your own money isn't stealing from govt. Taxation is theft.

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Fifty years ago, a college education was affordable for anyone that was willing to cut a few lawns or work part time.

Then they started to raise the rates because they knew the govt was going to back the tuition increases with guaranteed payments in the form of student loans, so the colleges and universities looked at the bottomless bucket that is govt funding and just kept on raising rates.

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What has changed is 40 years of massive tax cuts for the ungodly greedy each time taxes are cut for the ungodly greedy state funding for education was cut. I watched an episode of Twilight Zone the other night. A poor couple was granted a wish from a genie, they wished for a million dollars. When the million appeared, the genie told them that they would have to pay taxes on the million. The tax rate at the time was 93% so they owed $930,000 in federal tax and state tax would bring that to $964,000. They were left with $36,000 after taxes. The taxes were that high to pay off the debt from WWII. The ungodly greedy have nothing to complain about at 70%.

It isn't greed to keep more of the money you made, greed is the govt thinking the money you make is theirs. Much like you seem to think, one of the major reasons for the Revolutionary War was due to taxes... what sort of fool are you?

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The charter schools are falling apart also.

Fact's, proof, links?

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They are not about education they are about profit. Any parent can send their child to any school they want but don’t use the tax dollars necessary for public schools.

Why not, they pay taxes, why shouldn't they receive money from the district to educate their child in the school of their choice. Govt schools are nothing more than indoctrination camps anymore.

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That comes from my sister who has taught in Florida for decades. The charter schools can take the kid and his money and then send the kid back to public school and bank his money. Charter schools have one reason to exist, a profit.

I'm going to call BS and tell you that every school does this in one way or another. Wait till the money is collected and then send the problem kids off to another school, they don't return the money for students they kick out either. Save your BS for someone else, I'm actually dealing with my kids school and some tricks they played along these lines.

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Competition has done wonders for college tuition the same would happen with private schools.

Imagine what competition would do for public K-12 schools... instead you want to keep a union monopoly and the school system.

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I don’t know about you but if I got back all of my property tax it would not pay for a fraction of tuition in a private school. If I had more than one child I would really be in a hole.

I don't know what you pay in property taxes, I pay about $3600 a year.

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No one is trying to convince children they are not the sex they are born, and no one can. It is the children themselves that decide to identify otherwise. You don’t believe that religious cults indoctrinate children almost from birth?

Then why are they teaching elementary school age children about transgenderism? It's indoctrination of our children into extreme leftist politics.

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You don’t believe that religious cults indoctrinate children almost from birth?

Religious cults, and you have already declared that all religions are cults, are not using taxpayer money for their teachings. The left-wing in the US makes sure of that. Schools on the other hand are mandated and parents don't even get a say in what their kids are taught. Leftists teachers unions hold all the power.

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A good portion of engineers work in the public sector because of the bridges and highways. From Chemical to Electrical there are many types of engineers but other carry the title who are not engineers.

Wrong. There are engineers of all types and the majority of them do not work for govt's, they work for the private sector. Cities are not designing and building that many new bridges or buildings. Most city engineers are nothing more than building inspectors as cities build very few large projects, and those that do use private sector engineers for the designs.

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A Ferrari and Model T may both be cars but there is a world of difference in the technology.

4 tires, a steering wheel and an engine...

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You see the difference between the world’s greatest generation and the Reagan generation.

Reagan was part of the greatest generation, he was a WWII Vet.

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In the 60s they believed that if you made a bill you paid a bill. The 60s not only believed that you paid your bills, but you lived in your means.

That has nothing to do with the 60's, in fact the adults who came out of the 60's have done the most damage to this nation. The Greatest Generation built our modern nation, the hippies from the 60's have been doing everything in their power to destroy this country.

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They paid down the debt and lived in budget. The Reaganites believed you don’t pay your debts and you don’t live within your means and they borrowed $21 trillion to hand out in huge tax cuts to the ungodly greedy.

Try to blame Reagan all you want, but the DNC controlled Congress and had to write the bills that Reagan would sign into law. In fact the GOP didn't gain control of Congress until the mid 1990's, until then the DNC had ruled The House for 40 years... real history isn't your strong point is it?

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Do you want to check and see if the tax rate was 93% in 1960? Do you doubt that they referred to our government as capitalist? You can’t dispute a word of it.

1960 vs 2019? Get real dude

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Here we go again, “who are you going to believe me or your lying eyes?”

Context?

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There is a separate investigation going on into Trump’s inauguration and all the Russian mafia contributions by the New York office. It seems Trump raised over $200 million and only a fraction was spent. To try hide some of the contribution the Russian mafia bought all the liquor directly so it would not appear as a contribution. Not all the pictures on television find there way to the internet and I am sure Trump doesn’t want to see it again.

Keep telling stories, maybe someone will believe the **** you spew.

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Countries change one funeral at a time as the cowboy generation dies off the gun lobby’s power will be diminished and as people realize that American children are 36 times more likely to die of gun violence good sense will prevail.

More wishful thinking and made up stats.

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That is just a word that you will never be able to understand.

Socialism? I understand it perfectly well, taking something you didn't earn and giving it to people who you think could use it better. Socialism is greed of another name. Socialism never builds anything, it only destroys what others have built.

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The people that use it don’t understand as the Star Bucks founder demonstrated by believing that is his tax rate defined socialism.

The main aim of Socialism is to take what doesn't belong to you, high taxes are just the first step to destroying what has been built in the US.

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Did you ever know someone that got a head injury that changed their personality? Everyone is susceptible to head injuries. I was in a drug store one day when a clerk noticed that a man was shoplifting. She gently went over and asked the man to put the merchandize back. She explained to me that the man was the owner of a funeral home up the street. One night he slipped on the ice and got a head injury. After that he was never right and often shoplifted. It is easy to slip on the ice this time of year. Your life can change in an instant.

Not sure what your point here is.

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Suicide is indeed a crime in many jurisdictions.

No it isn't, you don't get arrested and sent to jail.

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If it is at the time of birth it isn’t an abortion, it’s a birth.

Not according to those in NY and VA. In fact the Governor of VA said on the radio that the kid could be killed after birth if that is the decision made by the mother and the doctor. Infanticide is gaining popularity within the DNC, more states are moving to have late term abortions legal. We all know they liked killing babies, now they are putting it into law.

















Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 2 Feb, 2019 12:05 am
@Baldimo,
A planned terrorist attack made all the difference in the world.
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“Trump said, “Blame on Both Sides,” in Charlottesville, Now the Anniversary puts him on the spot.”

Source ABC News
If you would watch the news when it happened, we would not have this problem.
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On this one we both used the same article as a source.

“The Pew report put the share of overstayers at “as much as 45% of the total unauthorized migration population. “The study, however, used data that was more than two decades old from the Immigration and Naturalization Service, an agency that doesn’t exist anymore and whose functions were folded into U.S. Department of Home Land Security”

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Ninety-nine percent of the people murdered in America are murdered by Americans. That second amendment means very little to parents of all the school children gunned down in American schools.
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The vast majority of immigrants are non-violent only a small percentage are criminals. As a group they are no more criminal than Americans. Why do you think Trump goes out of his way to hire them at his businesses?

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Anyone with good sense should have no trouble separating facts from opinion. When the facts have been presented everyone is free to their own opinion.
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When it comes down to it a border is only a line on a map. Those that live in twin cities along the Mexican border have interdependent economies and will suffer because an idiot from New York wants a wall through their cities.
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This was also a television story without a corresponding internet story. I watch about three hours of news programs a day and sometimes it is difficult to remember the details.
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Without empathy it would be impossible to resolve disputes because no one could understand the other’s perspective. A rapist would only see only his side as well as other criminals.
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We currently have people without empathy they are called psychopaths and they have no empathy. Ted Bundy is a good example. Imagine a world with nothing but psychopaths that is your idea of utopia.
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You may believe that greedism is the answer to everything, but it is not. When the previous world’s superpowers are studied, they find they rot from the top down not from the bottom up. A tiny fraction of the population gets control of the lion’s share of nation’s wealth. For nation to prosper in the long term there has to be more even distribution of wealth. The signs of rot in America are evident our education system is now worse than the third world and we have borrowed $21 trillion to line the pockets of the ungodly greedy.
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I think if you check those people don’t have any trouble finding work and there is no doubt that there is low unemployment in their field. You have to realize that is just your opinion.
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It is the same way with blacks, things have changed. There are no longer different bathrooms and water fountains and they no longer drain and scrub a pool if a black person swam in it but the KKK is getting stronger and racism is still alive and well in parts of the country.
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You must have a lot of dead time our IT were covered up finding them was a major problem.
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I have a nephew who works for a high-tech manufacturing firm maintaining their computer equipment.
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Every few years we had a professional consulting company come in and we would have to fill out questionnaires about your job duties and qualifications. After that interviews were conducted. No doubt a final report was submitted and promptly ignored. The reason a company would have a hard time doing itself is that personal relationships trump other factors. You would have the same guy that authorize the six assistants now ask to be objective about eliminating them.
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There is an oil well within 2 air miles but that is the only one that is close. You can see the natural gas bubbling up at the local lake. There doesn’t seem to be any interest in sinking more wells.
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The left and the intelligence agencies are all over this it is the right and Trump that deny it happening.

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We are not talking the American mafia, though Trump is also involved with them, the Russian Mafia is world wide and backed by Putin government. One of them could buy 10 American Mafi operations out of his pocket change. This is a whole new ball game.
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You just have to look at the administrative costs in the private sector, the person running Medicare doesn’t make $20 million a year in fact they don’t make a million. Those $100 million CEO salaries are pure waste factored into the cost of everything in the private sector.
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If the private sector was to take over distribution of social security the first thing they would do is hire a CEO for $500 million and a bunch of other administrative employees making a few million each. That is one thing the government doesn’t do. That is waste if you can get somebody to do the job for a $140,000 a year the rest is waste.
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The banks provide the loans and the banks make the profit. It is just like any other business if you cut income you must make it up by raising tuition. These were state colleges for a reason they were funded by the state.
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It takes a certain amount of money to run a business and it would be foolish to cut your income and borrow to stay in business. What is foolish is to borrow $21 trillion to hand out in tax cuts. The national debt was on track to be paid off in the early nineties until Reagan tripled the national debt to give 70% tax cuts to the ungodly greedy. That is foolish and we will have to pay the piper. I got my Trump tax cut it ended up being $2.84 cents for the year.
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Several charter schools have already closed, and you can be sure is was after they got the money up front.
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Do you think that someone that had a helicopter should get back his taxes because he didn’t use the roads? There are all sorts of things we are taxed for that we don’t use. I don’t fly so that money should be refunded to me to spend on gas. The religious want that money so they can make students more ignorant. The government takes your taxes and says there are the roads you can use them or not.
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I have no doubt that private schools have always expelled students and kept the money, but charter schools are taking tax payer dollars to provide and education and when they kick the students the taxpayer money should be returned otherwise it is a racket where they are paid for something, they had no intention of providing.
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There have always been private schools and the competition has only led to higher and higher tuition. The competition is there why haven’t the private schools done better.
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Your state must be a Republican state. My property appraised for a million on the internet and my property taxes are about $400 a year. You must not have a state income tax.
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They need to teach about the real world and what they will encounter before the teachers of ignorance teach them to be ignorant. If they learn about transgenderism, they are not so likely to discriminate and murder those that are different from them. Ignorance engenders hate and hate spurs violence. People are different for a reason. It was like the old joke where the preacher tells his congregation that if everybody was alike, they would all want his wife and the drunk stood up and said if they were like him nobody would want her.
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Some states have already allowed taxpayer money to be used to fund religious cult schools to teach the ignorance of 2,000 years ago.
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The city engineer has to decide if a multi-story building is going to collapse after a fire or how to repair a large slip of a hillside. Decide whether bridges are safe. The state has a lot of engineers and three large bridges have been built across the Ohio in my lifetime.
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While the model t is very simple compared to onboard computers and electronics on the Ferrari. How about a drag race, you take the model T?
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Reagan was a traitor to that generation he betrayed every value of that generation. Reagan was not a WWII vent he spent WWII in Hollywood making propaganda movies for the military. The only war he was in was in a movie.
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The national debt was being paid down by every president until Reagan and that is a fact. Only when the conservatives came to power did the priorities change and a 70% tax cut for the ungodly greedy became priority number 1 and government living in its means became obsolete. Reagan did raise social security 5 times and raise the age of retirement to 68.
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Most of the senators and house members were in place long before Reagan and they had been paying down the debt and it would have paid off. Regan pushed the 70% tax cuts and the increased spending on a peace time military. That was not the democratic agenda.
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The 93% tax rate was what made America great. No one paid that of course but they had to reinvest their money in America to make it tax deductible.
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That was something were you were denying the facts.
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Don’t you have a TV at work where you will at least have an idea what is going on in the real world. All those investigations are on the news shows daily. This is how Trump won is by low information voters who don’t have a clue what is going on. There must be at least two hundred separate investigations into Trump. You could watch news programs on line.
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There you go again who are you going to believe me or the actual facts. The stat is 100% accurate and you know it you just refuse to believe it.
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You are like the Star Bucks billionaire if your tax rate is raised that is socialism. Greedism will destroy itself it always has.
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The closest concept to socialism is insurance everyone pays in to cover their risk. No one knows when they pay their premium whose house will burn but it is a social solution to a common problem.
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My point is that you could fall on the ice and land on your head and get injured then grab your A-15 and start killing people.
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You have to remember that many suicides are not successful not everyone has a gun. Even assisted suicide is a crime.
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That is right wing propaganda straight from the abortion clinic bomber’s division of the Republican party.


Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 2 Feb, 2019 09:44 pm
I got notice from the pension board that I would get $2.84 more this year than last because of the Trump “tax cut.” That means my monthly check will go up by .24 cents almost a whole quarter. The only problem I am having is trying to figure out how not to spend it all in one place. The Trump tax cut will add $10 trillion to the national debt and all I got was a lousy $2.84. The tea party ran on stopping the national debt but as soon as they got control of government, they gave the ungodly greedy one of the biggest tax cuts in history and added another $10 trillion to the national debt. Running the national debt up another $10 trillion. Isn’t it funny how none of the tea partiers were not concerned at all about the national debt as long as it is run up for tax cuts?

There has to be a balanced budget amendment passed that will stop the Republicans from putting the country trillions of dollars in debt to fund tax cuts for the ungodly greedy. There will have to be a couple of exceptions, major wars and great depressions. Trump has run the country $2 trillion in debt far more than expected. They should tell Trump he has already blown the money for the wall.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2019 09:26 pm
When the Republicans passed their tax cut, they thought they would cruise to an easy victory in the 2016 election. They thought they could throw out a little pocket change to the middle class and they would be forever grateful. They also knew that most people would not know what the tax cut would be until after the election was over and they filed their taxes in 2017. The Republicans got fooled because by the time they ran for reelection and tried to tout their great middle-class tax cut they were shouted down by those who figured out the scam. Trump then said he was going to be a second round of tax cuts for the middle class in a desperate effort to cut losses in the house but after the election that bill was quietly killed.

When Trump was running for election his tax plan on his website called for cutting the income tax out on the first $50,000 but soon as soon the tax legislation was introduced the Trump’s web site was changed. Trump has such a big problem with making his campaign promise on the wall come true but never mentions his promise to cut the taxes on the working people.
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Baldimo
 
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@Zardoz,
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A planned terrorist attack made all the difference in the world.

Did the Las Vegas shooter not plan his attack as well?

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“Trump said, “Blame on Both Sides,” in Charlottesville, Now the Anniversary puts him on the spot.”

Source ABC News
If you would watch the news when it happened, we would not have this problem.

The violence was on both sides and you have failed to prove me wrong about Trumps comments. Antifa was attacking people as well, but the media only thought it worth mentioning the "alt-right" groups.

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On this one we both used the same article as a source.

“The Pew report put the share of overstayers at “as much as 45% of the total unauthorized migration population. “The study, however, used data that was more than two decades old from the Immigration and Naturalization Service, an agency that doesn’t exist anymore and whose functions were folded into U.S. Department of Home Land Security”

Source: POLITICALFACT

Sorry to tell you, but the Politifact article lists this as mostly true and they aren't known as a "right-learning" website, so I stand by the numbers.

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Ninety-nine percent of the people murdered in America are murdered by Americans.

Facts, links, proof? It should also be noted that a majority of people are killed by those of their own race. White people kill the most white people and black people kill the most black people.

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That second amendment means very little to parents of all the school children gunned down in American schools.

Weak reply. If you have to use such emotional queues to bypass the Constitution, then your arguments are truly weak. Immigration means very little to families of people killed by illegal immigrants.

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The vast majority of immigrants are non-violent only a small percentage are criminals.

That is true.

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As a group they are no more criminal than Americans. Why do you think Trump goes out of his way to hire them at his businesses?

So? That doesn't mean they get to stay in the country illegally and commit other none violent crimes. ID theft? Welfare fraud? As a percentage of their population in the US, they do commit more crimes than the average American.

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Anyone with good sense should have no trouble separating facts from opinion. When the facts have been presented everyone is free to their own opinion.

That isn't true at all, look at the lies spread by the MSM that they don't retract, instead they double down, much like you do when proven wrong.

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When it comes down to it a border is only a line on a map.

No, it's more than that, only an open borders clown would think such a thing.

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Those that live in twin cities along the Mexican border have interdependent economies and will suffer because an idiot from New York wants a wall through their cities.

Wrong again, people in Mexico have no right to cross the US border to shop in the US. This "interdependent" BS is just that, BS. Also there will not be walls running through US cities, that would divide parts of the US...

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This was also a television story without a corresponding internet story. I watch about three hours of news programs a day and sometimes it is difficult to remember the details.

Wrong again. If your local news runs a story on TV, they will have the same story online. It's the way of the modern news cycle, get them to watch TV and then drive more traffic to the website for a more "indepth" look at the stories, hell, they even do TV ads for their Roku Apps so people can watch the news while not at home on their Smart Phones.

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Without empathy it would be impossible to resolve disputes because no one could understand the other’s perspective. A rapist would only see only his side as well as other criminals.

I guess all those wars we fought since the dawn of time were worthless.

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We currently have people without empathy they are called psychopaths and they have no empathy.

You don't say.

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Ted Bundy is a good example. Imagine a world with nothing but psychopaths that is your idea of utopia.

Wrong again. I have no problem with empathy, it's the over use of empathy I have a problem with. There is a happy middle ground that makes a country successful.

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You may believe that greedism is the answer to everything, but it is not.

It seems to be the answer to what has caused the greatest advancement in human history. Capitalism has done more for the modern day world than any other economic system on earth. Only Capitalism builds societies, socialism and communism only destroy.

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When the previous world’s superpowers are studied, they find they rot from the top down not from the bottom up.

Communism was ripe with such rot, it's the reason why the USSR lost the Cold War.

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A tiny fraction of the population gets control of the lion’s share of nation’s wealth.

It's a small fraction of the population that actually creates things that advance society.

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For nation to prosper in the long term there has to be more even distribution of wealth.

I disagree and the US has shown this to not be true as we are the most successful nation in history and on average, our population has the highest standard of living in history not to mention created some of the greatest inventions. Our world would not function without the inventions of US and those were only possible because of Capitalism.

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The signs of rot in America are evident our education system is now worse than the third world and we have borrowed $21 trillion to line the pockets of the ungodly greedy.


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It is the same way with blacks, things have changed. There are no longer different bathrooms and water fountains and they no longer drain and scrub a pool if a black person swam in it but the KKK is getting stronger and racism is still alive and well in parts of the country.

The KKK and racism isn't getting stronger, there is a loud but very small minority of racists in this country. You can look at the massive increase in mix marriages in the US to show you are full of ****. I was married to a black woman for almost 20 years, I have to awesome mixed race boys.

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You must have a lot of dead time our IT were covered up finding them was a major problem.

When your company sells good hardware and software, the customers don't have to call that often.

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The left and the intelligence agencies are all over this it is the right and Trump that deny it happening.

They haven't found a damn thing dealing with Trump or the Russians, but Hillary is going to be exposed for her ties to the Ukraine.

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You just have to look at the administrative costs in the private sector, the person running Medicare doesn’t make $20 million a year in fact they don’t make a million. Those $100 million CEO salaries are pure waste factored into the cost of everything in the private sector.


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You just have to look at the administrative costs in the private sector, the person running Medicare doesn’t make $20 million a year in fact they don’t make a million. Those $100 million CEO salaries are pure waste factored into the cost of everything in the private sector.

Were do you get your BS #'s from? 100 million ceo salary? Which company is paying that? I looked at Apple's CEO pay and it was less than $15 Million per year. Considering that company makes about $90 billion a year, a $12 million a year for a CEO salary isn't bad.

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If the private sector was to take over distribution of social security the first thing they would do is hire a CEO for $500 million and a bunch of other administrative employees making a few million each.

No CEO in the world makes the money you are claiming. Their total net worth might be that much, but not their salaries, the highest paid CEO that I could find was Brian Duperreault of AIG, his total compensation package is $41 million. When you have a company that deals in billions of dollars, it isn't much to pay the CEO millions so those billions keep coming in.

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The banks provide the loans and the banks make the profit. It is just like any other business if you cut income you must make it up by raising tuition. These were state colleges for a reason they were funded by the state.

They weren't wholly funded by the state, kids have been paying tuition since the first college opened. Why should we be on the hook for worthless educations? I'll gladly provide a free education for any of the hard STEM degree's, but someone who wants to take 16th Century Literature as a major is paying for their own education.

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It takes a certain amount of money to run a business and it would be foolish to cut your income and borrow to stay in business.

Except that is what lots and lots of small business owners do when they first start out. A majority of them take very little in salary until the company starts to turn a profit.

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What is foolish is to borrow $21 trillion to hand out in tax cuts. The national debt was on track to be paid off in the early nineties until Reagan tripled the national debt to give 70% tax cuts to the ungodly greedy. That is foolish and we will have to pay the piper. I got my Trump tax cut it ended up being $2.84 cents for the year.

What makes you think you deserve a tax cut? You of all people want taxes paid, you should deny your tax cut and pay more in taxes if you think they are that important. Tell me why you think people who don't even pay federal taxes, the poor, should get more back that they don't pay? Tax cuts should be for people who actually pay taxes, not those who get more back then they pay into the system.

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Several charter schools have already closed, and you can be sure is was after they got the money up front.

Unlike public schools, they just can't raise taxes and take from the taxpayer. Which ones have closed and why? I bet you won't provide any details.

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Do you think that someone that had a helicopter should get back his taxes because he didn’t use the roads?

Is this meant to be a serious question?

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There are all sorts of things we are taxed for that we don’t use. I don’t fly so that money should be refunded to me to spend on gas.

Old people don't have kids in school, should they continue to pay property taxes for a school they don't use?

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I have no doubt that private schools have always expelled students and kept the money, but charter schools are taking tax payer dollars to provide and education and when they kick the students the taxpayer money should be returned otherwise it is a racket where they are paid for something, they had no intention of providing.

You make it sound like public schools don't do this very same thing... When they suspend a student for the year, do they return the money to the State? No they don't.

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There have always been private schools and the competition has only led to higher and higher tuition. The competition is there why haven’t the private schools done better.

Actually most private schools do a much better job than public schools. How many politicians send their kids to normal public school? The Obama's sure didn't send their daughters to a public school, they went to a very expensive private school, so did the Clintons daughter, they all went to Sidwell Friends School and it costs about $40k a year to attend.

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Your state must be a Republican state. My property appraised for a million on the internet and my property taxes are about $400 a year. You must not have a state income tax.

Do you even pay attention? I live in CO and we are not a Republican state, we have income taxes, property taxes and sales taxes. All of those taxes are going to grow since the leftists took control in the last election. All the great things we have seen in CO for the last few decades is going to be destroyed. That's all leftists do, destroy what others create.

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They need to teach about the real world and what they will encounter before the teachers of ignorance teach them to be ignorant.

The only thing teachers should be teaching is reading, writing and math. The rest should be taught at home.

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If they learn about transgenderism, they are not so likely to discriminate and murder those that are different from them.

Is it really the schools place to teach about such things? 10 years ago this was the sort of thing people were calling the slippery slope, the left said it wouldn't happen. It seems all leftist ideas are on the slope.

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Ignorance engenders hate and hate spurs violence. People are different for a reason.

We are all different, but the left has been spending the last couple of decades splitting people apart with their differences instead of bring them together with their similarities. Divide and conquer is the leftists game, spread division as much as possible then wonder why things went wrong. Obama spent 8 years dividing our nation.

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Some states have already allowed taxpayer money to be used to fund religious cult schools to teach the ignorance of 2,000 years ago.

So? It's no better than the leftist cult schools we have now.

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Reagan was a traitor to that generation he betrayed every value of that generation.

Reagan was responsible for the destruction of the USSR, he held to our nations beliefs and didn't betray them, unlike people like Bernie Sanders who loved the Commies and their ideals.

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Reagan was not a WWII vent he spent WWII in Hollywood making propaganda movies for the military. The only war he was in was in a movie.

Reagan was indeed a vet, he wasn't a soldier on the front lines, but he was indeed in the military. Unlike you...

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The national debt was being paid down by every president until Reagan and that is a fact.

Wrong again. Fact's, proof, links?

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Only when the conservatives came to power did the priorities change and a 70% tax cut for the ungodly greedy became priority number 1 and government living in its means became obsolete. Reagan did raise social security 5 times and raise the age of retirement to 68.

Who controlled The House during Reagans terms in office? The DNC, who controls the purse strings on spending? The House.

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Most of the senators and house members were in place long before Reagan and they had been paying down the debt and it would have paid off. Regan pushed the 70% tax cuts and the increased spending on a peace time military. That was not the democratic agenda.

Who controlled The House? DNC controlled the purse strings, history isn't your strong point is it?

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The 93% tax rate was what made America great. No one paid that of course but they had to reinvest their money in America to make it tax deductible.

No it wasn't, stop with the Commie lies about "wonderful high taxes". Only leftists think high taxes are a good thing, Communists and Socialists both agree.

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Don’t you have a TV at work where you will at least have an idea what is going on in the real world.

Nope, no TV at work, wouldn't watch it even if there were.

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All those investigations are on the news shows daily. This is how Trump won is by low information voters who don’t have a clue what is going on. There must be at least two hundred separate investigations into Trump. You could watch news programs on line.

Oh, I know they are on daily. The fact remains the result of the investigation isn't going to be what you think it will be. The MSM has had way to many false starts on this to get anything write. Each day they wait with baited breath to see who gets arrested next. None of the arrests have anything to do with the election.

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There you go again who are you going to believe me or the actual facts. The stat is 100% accurate and you know it you just refuse to believe it.

That's the major problem, you don't provide anything buy our own words. Facts are always absent when you post.

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You are like the Star Bucks billionaire if your tax rate is raised that is socialism.

Considering the only reason to raise taxes is to increase social welfare programs, that's Socialism. Why should I have to pay more in taxes for your pointless pet projects? You pay more in taxes if you want more welfare programs.

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Greedism will destroy itself it always has.

Yeah, where has it happened in the past? The only ideal that has failed everywhere it's been tried is Socialism and Communism. Our political and economic system has created the world we live in.

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The closest concept to socialism is insurance everyone pays in to cover their risk. No one knows when they pay their premium whose house will burn but it is a social solution to a common problem.

Wrong again, that is still a freedom of association to be part of the insurance program or not, socialism has no such freedom and forces all of these things. No liberty, but what do you care.

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My point is that you could fall on the ice and land on your head and get injured then grab your A-15 and start killing people.

You have some weird murder fantasies. I think someone should report you to the local authorities for a welfare check. You need some desperate help.

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You have to remember that many suicides are not successful not everyone has a gun.

So, what's your point? People in Japan don't have guns but they lead the US in suicides.

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Even assisted suicide is a crime.

True, but thee are several states, including mine where they have made ending your life a choice for chronically sick people who won't get better.

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That is right wing propaganda straight from the abortion clinic bomber’s division of the Republican party.

I'm still waiting for you to point out where abortion is listed in the Constitution. It was you who claimed we have no "rights" if they aren't written down. Which amendment mentions abortion? There is an amendment about guns though.











Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2019 12:46 am
@Baldimo,
The Las Vegas shooter was a lone wolf, like most mass murders, imagine if he had six others helping him how many more people they could have killed. Just as the Las Vegas shooter opened and drove the crowd one way the other shooters could have got the crowd in a cross fire and killed most of the crowd.
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Your post clearly shows Trump on the defensive trying to defend his remark. Trump would have no need to defend his remark to start with only after the uproar did Trump try to justify his remark. The Nazis were killing people not the other way around.
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Did you not read the article? It clearly says the numbers are twenty years out of date. You stand by your figures, but they will still be twenty years out of date. In addition to that it does not take into account any visa issued to aliens who crossed the border over land. Mostly true? That is like mostly pregnant, either you are, or you are not. Mostly won’t get it.
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The stats on the murders by illegals is hard to come by but what we do know is they are far less violent than Americans. If you met an illegal alien and an American in a dark alley way at 2 AM the American would be 30% more likely to murder you. The way to bring down the crime statistics would be to have more illegals not less.
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Pure intellect is worthless without emotional intelligence.
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In fact, statistic show illegal aliens are less violent than the general population.
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You didn’t get your statistics from the FBI because they show the illegals are less violent.
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I can’t think of one instance when a story was shown to be false that the main stream media that it hasn’t been retracted after all that isn’t Fox News. Family Guy got it right when they said everything on Fox News was false and if it wasn’t false when reported it then it would become false afterwards and they are on the same network. Facts will always be the same whoever reports with the exception of Fox News who is the only network know to out lie Trump.
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Did you ever see a map without a border line on it? I frequently cross borders between states without even thinking about it.
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Have you ever been to a border crossing? People go back and forth all the time. They just did a story on NBC that followed Americans walking across the border to buy prescription drugs that were much cheaper. Even my mom walked across that border to buy prescription drugs with others from a tour bus. There are already walls going through cities and the walls have gone through farms with Americans walled out of the US. One farmers barn caught fire and the fire truck could not get there because of the wall. They are about to cut Space X space port into with the wall. The wall doesn’t run right on the border it is being built on the easiest route. How would you like to be an American with your house on the Mexican side of the wall? You have a key to gate and the Mexicans know you have the key. Any satellite city will always be dependent on the major city.

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Some of the network used to let you watch a rerun of the news program, but I don’t have any idea whether CNN or MSNBC do the same. In order to get it you would need the day and time of the broadcast.
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I am sure there were a few psychopaths who fought but most had empathy and that is why so many returned from wars so messed up. Many will wander the streets for the rest of their lives. In situations empathy can be suspended like in deadly situation but once it is over empathy will return.
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They make the best killers and the best soldiers, but you best not turn your back on them.
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Like everything else empathy can be taken to extremes. This is best illustrated by parents that constantly give to their adult children to the point it hurts. I have a sister-in-law who is still working at 70 and her 21-year-old granddaughter is bleeding her dry.
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Pure capitalism in America died in 1929 never to be found again. What they learned about capitalism was it didn’t work in all situations. Farmers were starving to death because capitalism dictated that if you did not make enough money you had to grow more crops. When the farmers grew more crops supply and demand took over and the price went down. Something had to done capitalism had failed one of the biggest segments of the economy. The government created a land bank and paying farmers not to grow crops. The government bought commodities to shore up prices. Capitalism failed and social solution replaced it. America became a great country only after social solutions were used to solve the failures of capitalism. We have a hybrid form of government.
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There are many communist countries beside Russia and one them will soon replace us as the number one superpower.
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It is the wealth of a country it is created with the resources of that country. Even if you concede that a generation is able to contribute something the huge fortunes created last for hundreds of years. Many of great fortunes being created today are for shuffling paper. We have at least five hedge fund managers making $5 billion a year. Banking is the sector that creates many of the billionaires. They are not creating a damn thing but paper.
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The Chinese are over taking us by leaps and bounds. The only reason we got this far is because we taxed income of a million at 93%. When country cut the tax rate billionaires below the rate for middle class this country went into a downhill spiral that we have not come out of. Most of the biggest inventions of the last fifty years did not come from America we don’t have enough engineers to be competitive anymore. You see the sickness of society in our manufacturing we built the worst cars in the world because of greed. In two years-time the cars rusted down, and the doors had to be wired on. The cars were produced with a projected lifetime of 35,000. Greedism at its best.
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Racism always existed and it is far worse now than I can remember since I was child in the 60s with the civil rights marches and riots. America is facing a turning point. For the first time in our history the white race will no longer be a majority and that drives fear and fear stokes racism. Racism had become politically incorrect but Trump, who is openly racist, has given license for others to come in from the cold. Many in the younger generation grew up in a time where racism was not practiced openly.
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You must be lonelier than the Maytag repairman. Put that time to good use and read a few books.
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They have connected all of Trump’s top associates with either working with Russia or lying about working with Russia.
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Do you have any idea what CEO’s salaries are? Even a state insurance company like Blue Cross of Michigan makes $13.4 million. Multiply that by 50 states would bring it to $670 million and compare that to the $140,000 for Medicare administrator. And there are several different insurance companies the waste in the private sector is beyond belief.
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Total compensation for the CEO Brian Duperreault of AIG is $43.1 million.
Les Moonves CBS $69.6. Moonves was due a $120 million golden parachute.
CEOs get millions in stock options that they can make a fortune off if the stocks goes up.
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Yes, you paid tuition, but it was affordable. Tuition was $141 a semester in 1968. Tuition is now $7,798. That $141 would be $1,010.02 in today’s dollars. Tuition has gone up almost 8 times faster than inflation. For the typical 4 years of college it would cost $62,384 with interest you could count on a $100,000 debt.
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America got started over 200 years ago, so it is not a startup.
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They always claim they are trying to spur the economy but giving a tax cut to the richest 1% does nothing. The rich already have way too much money so they are not likely to spend more. Give the tax cut to the bottom means every dollar will be spent on more goods and services. Really spurring the economy. Building more cars will do no good if nobody can buy them.
Those are not tax programs those are welfare programs that are disguised as tax refunds and they should reflect that.
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Charter schools are paid for by tax payer. In 2011-12 over twelve percent of the charter schools closed because of financial mismanagement many closed during the school year.
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It is the same thing as not using the school system.
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The old continue to pay property tax but are given a homestead exemption that cuts their taxes down.
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There is big difference of being kicked out of a Charter school and public school. The law will put you in jail if you don’t show up. To get kicked out you would need to kill 50 of your classmates.
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I don’t see how you could possibly send a president’s child to public school the security issues would be impossible in a private-schools. When I was younger and worked at the garage a president wife was in town giving a speech. I was called to change a tire on a police vehicle. The secret service stopped me two blocks away until I could be cleared.
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From the very beginning the conservatives have been the problem. If the conservatives had their way, we would still be an English colony the conservatives actively fought against the American Revolution and when the war was over the conservative’s home were burnt to ground and they were sent back to England.
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I don’t see how you can avoid current events in high school. They can be taught by a neutral arbitrator.
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Children need to be exposed to something beside ignorance. Children even at young are well aware of differences, my granddaughter went to school with a boy that was completely effeminate long before puberty. The rest of the children accepted him for what he was because they were not taught to be ignorant.
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People will always be different but Trump’s road to victory was demonize a whole race of people to make political points with the racists.
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To fund the teaching of 2,000-year-old ignorance is wrong. You believe that we should still be teaching children that the sun revolves around the earth?
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Tell me if your neighbor went bankrupt can you take credit for it? Sander’s ideas kept America going when it would have collapsed under stupidity.
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Reagan made movies before during and after WWII. He never left Hollywood.
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That is very simple just look at the historical levels of the national debt.
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The president sets the agenda and the wealthy simply buy enough crooked politicians to accomplish Reagan’s goal.

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If the United States is to survive it will have to have high taxes without it, America is like a game of monopoly when a few players get all or most of the wealth the game is over for everybody.
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At least you have a computer and you could run a few news programs on it.
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Sorry but there are not false statements other than by Trump and Russia. If there were false statements Trump would sue in a heartbeat. One of the London papers made some statements about Trump’s illegal alien wife and they were sued before the ink dried and this is not the first time. Trump even sues when they won’t believe his lies. He actually got on the stand and claimed his buildings were worth what he imagined them to be. He sued the author and publisher for $5 million and was laughed out of court.

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I gave you many different sources but even with a source you refuse to believe the facts.
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Taxes have to be raised to pay back the $21 trillion in debt the Republicans ran up.
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You missed world history every super power in history follows the exact same pattern a few wealthy accumulate all the wealth. Once they do that, they realize they can make more money overseas, so the wealth of the country is exported for greed ones the wealth is gone the country fails and a new super power takes over. America’s wealth has been exported for the last forty years we are well along in this process.
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Do you get a choice with Medicare? With car insurance?
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You don’t have a clue. The mother of my daughter’s friend walked into Kentucky Fried Chicken the floor was wet her feet went out from under her and she hit the back of her head and died. Head injuries are much more common than you realize, and they can and do change personalities.
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The point is that is when you get arrested for suicide.
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There are states which are more enlightened but the religious always try to block it.
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The pursuit of happiness would cover it in a court of law. This is the classic problem of where you draw the line between one party’s rights and the rights of another.








Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 5 Feb, 2019 11:43 am
@Zardoz,
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The Las Vegas shooter was a lone wolf, like most mass murders, imagine if he had six others helping him how many more people they could have killed. Just as the Las Vegas shooter opened and drove the crowd one way the other shooters could have got the crowd in a cross fire and killed most of the crowd.

Just like the Nice vehicle attack, lone mass murderer, the rest is pointless would've, could've... much like a majority of what you post.

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Your post clearly shows Trump on the defensive trying to defend his remark. Trump would have no need to defend his remark to start with only after the uproar did Trump try to justify his remark. The Nazis were killing people not the other way around.

It show's nothing of the sort. Until the single death by vehicle, see how dangerous they are, there had been Antifa and White Nationalists fighting each other all weekend. From what you are seeing, you had no problems with the violence committed by Antifa, that's a problem. I have a problem with violence at public rally's, why don't you?

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Did you not read the article? It clearly says the numbers are twenty years out of date. You stand by your figures, but they will still be twenty years out of date. In addition to that it does not take into account any visa issued to aliens who crossed the border over land. Mostly true? That is like mostly pregnant, either you are, or you are not. Mostly won’t get it.

Keep trying to discredit the stats, but the fact remains, a majority of the illegal immigrants in the US are from illegal border crossing, not people over staying their visa's, stop defending people who break our laws no matter who it is.

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The stats on the murders by illegals is hard to come by but what we do know is they are far less violent than Americans.

When leftists make it impossible to count the illegal immigration population, it's no wonder stats are hard to come by. The reality is that illegal immigrants in proportion to their population are jailed at a higher rate for crimes.

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If you met an illegal alien and an American in a dark alley way at 2 AM the American would be 30% more likely to murder you. The way to bring down the crime statistics would be to have more illegals not less.

Seeing as Americans come in all colors, how do you know the American from the illegal immigrant? The rest of this is more of your pointless and factless drivel.

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Pure intellect is worthless without emotional intelligence.

Emotional intelligence? I don't think anyone is pushing for Vulcan way of life, that doesn't mean we only act based on emotion, like you and the left seem to do.

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In fact, statistic show illegal aliens are less violent than the general population.

Wrong again. Prove what you say.

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You didn’t get your statistics from the FBI because they show the illegals are less violent.

At least I provided something to back up what I said, as usual, you provide nothing.

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I can’t think of one instance when a story was shown to be false that the main stream media that it hasn’t been retracted after all that isn’t Fox News. Family Guy got it right when they said everything on Fox News was false and if it wasn’t false when reported it then it would become false afterwards and they are on the same network. Facts will always be the same whoever reports with the exception of Fox News who is the only network know to out lie Trump.

Since you can't defend the MSM, you are going to attack FoxNews? You continue to show how weak your arguments really are.

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Did you ever see a map without a border line on it? I frequently cross borders between states without even thinking about it.

This is an idiotic statement, states are different than countries. If I need to explain the difference then you are hopeless.

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Have you ever been to a border crossing?

I lived in San Diego for about a decade, I know more about border crossings then you could ever hope to learn. I've also crossed the border into Mexico more times than I could count, you literally walk through a caged turnstile. Coming back into the US isn't as easy, questions and ID's.

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People go back and forth all the time. They just did a story on NBC that followed Americans walking across the border to buy prescription drugs that were much cheaper. Even my mom walked across that border to buy prescription drugs with others from a tour bus.

As I said above, easy to get into Mexico.

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There are already walls going through cities and the walls have gone through farms with Americans walled out of the US. One farmers barn caught fire and the fire truck could not get there because of the wall. They are about to cut Space X space port into with the wall. The wall doesn’t run right on the border it is being built on the easiest route. How would you like to be an American with your house on the Mexican side of the wall? You have a key to gate and the Mexicans know you have the key. Any satellite city will always be dependent on the major city.

You mean another piece of bias reporting by NBC... say it isn't so. It's funny to see all this faux support for Americans by people such as yourself. We all know you have no real feelings for the Citizens of this nation, if you did, you would support our Sovereignty not globalism.

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Some of the network used to let you watch a rerun of the news program, but I don’t have any idea whether CNN or MSNBC do the same. In order to get it you would need the day and time of the broadcast.

Try going to their websites or even go to youtube, the internet is an amazing place.

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Pure capitalism in America died in 1929 never to be found again.

Wrong, we have never had a system of "pure capitalism", why do you lie so much?

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There are many communist countries beside Russia and one them will soon replace us as the number one superpower.

I'm sure you are jumping with joy.

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It is the wealth of a country it is created with the resources of that country.

Wrong again. It actually takes people with idea's not just a country to create wealth. Name a single "wealthy" Communist country?

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Even if you concede that a generation is able to contribute something the huge fortunes created last for hundreds of years. Many of great fortunes being created today are for shuffling paper. We have at least five hedge fund managers making $5 billion a year. Banking is the sector that creates many of the billionaires. They are not creating a damn thing but paper.


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The Chinese are over taking us by leaps and bounds.

Like other Communists countries, China didn't create anything, they stole it from Capitalist countries. Name one thing China has invented that is used around the world? They advance through theft and spying because they can't create on their own.

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The only reason we got this far is because we taxed income of a million at 93%. When country cut the tax rate billionaires below the rate for middle class this country went into a downhill spiral that we have not come out of. Most of the biggest inventions of the last fifty years did not come from America we don’t have enough engineers to be competitive anymore. You see the sickness of society in our manufacturing we built the worst cars in the world because of greed. In two years-time the cars rusted down, and the doors had to be wired on. The cars were produced with a projected lifetime of 35,000. Greedism at its best.

You are insane, all of the greatest inventions in the last 50 years came from the US. The internet, cell phones, cable TV, we lead the world in medical research. What in the last 50 years didn't we invent?
When it comes to cars, you are stuck in the 1980's, our cars made in the US are pretty good. My current car is a 2008 Dodge Avenger AWD, still runs great.

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Racism always existed and it is far worse now than I can remember since I was child in the 60s with the civil rights marches and riots.

Race relations are better than the racists MSM leads you to believe. Mixed couples can be seen just about anywhere you go. Stop the lies.

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America is facing a turning point. For the first time in our history the white race will no longer be a majority and that drives fear and fear stokes racism.

That's pretty racists of you to say.

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Racism had become politically incorrect but Trump, who is openly racist, has given license for others to come in from the cold. Many in the younger generation grew up in a time where racism was not practiced openly.

Trump isn't racist and racism isn't politically incorrect, it's stupid and wrong. No license has been given to anyone, more MSM talking points.

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You must be lonelier than the Maytag repairman. Put that time to good use and read a few books.


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They have connected all of Trump’s top associates with either working with Russia or lying about working with Russia.

No they haven't. The only ones with outside connections are Cohen and Manafort, they both have strong ties to Ukraine, just like the Podesta Group and Hillary Clinton, just you wait.

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Do you have any idea what CEO’s salaries are?

I have a good idea, I shared a link didn't I? Of course you could worry about the billion dollar companies but ignore that the majority of CEO's don't make near that amount, there is an estimated 250,000 CEO's in the US and the average salary is not in the 10's of millions. Greed and envy pollute your soul.

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Even a state insurance company like Blue Cross of Michigan makes $13.4 million. Multiply that by 50 states would bring it to $670 million and compare that to the $140,000 for Medicare administrator. And there are several different insurance companies the waste in the private sector is beyond belief.

You have a hard time telling the difference between private and public companies, you spent way to much time as a govt employee sucking off of the govt tit to understand how the world really works.

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Total compensation for the CEO Brian Duperreault of AIG is $43.1 million.
Les Moonves CBS $69.6. Moonves was due a $120 million golden parachute.
CEOs get millions in stock options that they can make a fortune off if the stocks goes up.

So. They also run multi billion companies, once again the difference between private and public work.

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Yes, you paid tuition, but it was affordable. Tuition was $141 a semester in 1968. Tuition is now $7,798. That $141 would be $1,010.02 in today’s dollars. Tuition has gone up almost 8 times faster than inflation. For the typical 4 years of college it would cost $62,384 with interest you could count on a $100,000 debt.

Yet like a fool you don't blame the people who charge the tuition. I notice you make no distiction between in-state and out of state tuition... why is that? All prices you provide are for expensive out of state or private colleges. You seem to think everyone is going to Harvard or Princeton.

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They always claim they are trying to spur the economy but giving a tax cut to the richest 1% does nothing.

Wrong again, it actually does encourage investment in other business's. My career has depending on such investments for the last 10 years working in the startup computer field.

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The rich already have way too much money so they are not likely to spend more.

Who are you to say they have to much money? Envy is a green eyed monster...

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Give the tax cut to the bottom means every dollar will be spent on more goods and services.

How can you give a tax cut to those that don't pay taxes in the first place? If you make under $50k a year, you don't pay federal taxes.

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Those are not tax programs those are welfare programs that are disguised as tax refunds and they should reflect that.

Keeping more of the money you make isn't welfare, getting more back in tax refunds then you paid into the system is welfare.

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Charter schools are paid for by tax payer.

True, but the charter school doesn't get the full "cost" of a child like a public school does. It averages about 64% of what public schools get. Sounds like Charter Schools have to do the same work but with less money. Why are you against school choice for parents?

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In 2011-12 over twelve percent of the charter schools closed because of financial mismanagement many closed during the school year.

Fact's, proof, links?

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The old continue to pay property tax but are given a homestead exemption that cuts their taxes down.

Maybe where you live, but not across the entire country. The leftists want their money, they don't care who it comes from.

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I don’t see how you could possibly send a president’s child to public school the security issues would be impossible in a private-schools.

Not my problem. You can't push public schools as the best thing on Earth and then accept that the President can send his kid to a posh private school. If public schools are good enough for my kids, they are good enough for Obama's kids.

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From the very beginning the conservatives have been the problem. If the conservatives had their way, we would still be an English colony the conservatives actively fought against the American Revolution and when the war was over the conservative’s home were burnt to ground and they were sent back to England.

Does your bullshit ever stop?

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I don’t see how you can avoid current events in high school. They can be taught by a neutral arbitrator.

Neutral? Teachers are not neutral in any way shape or form.

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People will always be different but Trump’s road to victory was demonize a whole race of people to make political points with the racists.

Who was that?

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To fund the teaching of 2,000-year-old ignorance is wrong.

I thought diversity was a stong point of the left? Guess I was wrong.

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You believe that we should still be teaching children that the sun revolves around the earth?

Considering we know it doesn't, why would you ask that.

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Tell me if your neighbor went bankrupt can you take credit for it? Sander’s ideas kept America going when it would have collapsed under stupidity.

Bernie Sanders? He's a hypothetical loon who got screwed by Hillary and the DNC and then turned around and shrilled for them. At least they made it possible for him to buy that 3rd house. Lets also not forget the college his wife bankrupted. Yeah, wonderful ideas.

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Reagan made movies before during and after WWII. He never left Hollywood.

He has a DD-214, you don't.

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That is very simple just look at the historical levels of the national debt.

Did you know that it even increased under CLinton and doubled under Obama?

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The president sets the agenda and the wealthy simply buy enough crooked politicians to accomplish Reagan’s goal.

Do you really think Clinton or Obama were better? You are blinded by ignorance and envy.

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I gave you many different sources but even with a source you refuse to believe the facts.

The MSM has been lying to you since Nov 2016. The Mueller Report is around the corner, you won't believe what they tell you. The MSM is going to go crazy and the DNC in the House is going to double down and lose because of it in 2020.

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I gave you many different sources but even with a source you refuse to believe the facts.

You haven't given even a fraction of the sources for your claims, you claim they came out of a book and then expect me to hunt down and verify your source. It's pathetic for someone of your claimed ability, Zardoz my ass.

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Taxes have to be raised to pay back the $21 trillion in debt the Republicans ran up.

It's funny you think this is all on one party. Half that $21 trillion belongs to Obama and his failed policies.

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Do you get a choice with Medicare? With car insurance?

I get a choice with car insurance, there are plenty of companies to choose from. When you deal with the govt, there is no choice.

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You don’t have a clue. Head injuries are much more common than you realize, and they can and do change personalities.

Yes I do actually. I'm beginning to think you fell and hit your head.

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The point is that is when you get arrested for suicide.

No you don't, I've already proven that. The law was changed in 1961 I believe. You get committed to a mental health ward but not arrested. No criminal charges are filed.

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There are states which are more enlightened but the religious always try to block it.

So, they have that right as American citizens. They usually lose so it works out in the end.

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The pursuit of happiness would cover it in a court of law. This is the classic problem of where you draw the line between one party’s rights and the rights of another.

Sorry to tell you, but by your own definition from before, Abortion isn't a right because it isn't written down. Your words not mine.








Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2019 12:44 am
@Baldimo,
When were the other six people arrested for the Las Vegas shooting? We know that six others were responsible for Nice attack. Maybe in Las Vegas they just decided it was too much trouble to arrest them. Sorry but a planned attack by a terrorist cell is far more effective than a lone wolf amateur.
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Most of the white nationalists, KKK, and Neo-Nazis came to Charlottesville for “unite the right rally” they came from all over the country if they could get out of prisons. They full intended to riot in order to take control of local politics. Their torch lit march through the University of Virginia campuses chanting “You will not replace us” is worse than most KKK rallies since the first of the last century. They were an invading army and it is no surprise that the locals would defend their town from the Nazis. We learned in from Nazi Germany that you need to speak up when Nazism first starts to spread. When the forces of evil start to coalesce, it will engender an equal and opposite force to stop them. Just like you think you need a gun when met with violence it is justified to take a stand against the sick evil of the white nationalists, KKK and Neo-Nazis. The Nazis came with the intention of intimidating the locals and they were dressed and armed to do the job. They came looking for a fight and when you are looking you will find someone who wants to fight.
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You can’t add 25 and 24 and 1,000 and say it equals 49. Your figures are not even good for twenty years ago. The biggest most important figure is left out. All you can say is if we only count those who got here by air and water 20 years ago that it would show more illegals crossed the border but those who crossed the border with visa are left out of the equation. You can’t get a correct answer without counting those who crossed by land with a visa. That figure is absolutely worthless and tells us nothing. The thing is ICE knows the figures and won’t release them. What are they hiding and why?
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No, they are not. The actual statistics show that immigrants are less likely to cause crime than their native-born peers, and that natives are more likely to be incarcerated than immigrants.
Source: Cato Institute
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Maybe you will have to asked him for his papers or he might just tell you but either way you better keep an eye on the other one.
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People with extremely high IQs but who lack emotional intelligence end up as failures it always takes a blend of both.
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“Criminal Immigrants: Their Numbers, Demographics, and Countries of Origin”
Source Cato Institute
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The Cato Institute will prove my point
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You have to know the history of Fox News who founded it and why they founded it. Fox News could never have existed when the Fairness Doctrine was the law of the land. Fox News was created by Rupert Murdock, who owns half of the “People’s Daily” in Red China, and a lifelong rightwing political activist, Roger Ailes with the expressed purpose of creating a rightwing political propaganda machine that would rival the “People Daily” in China. Regan killed the “Fairness Doctrine” to make way for political propaganda stations in America. Under the Fairness Doctrine both sides of a political issue were given equal time. If a political issue was run on local television and you disagreed with it, you were given equal time to present your side. Radio talk show were the same the host remained neutral and everyone was given a chance to call in and make their argument. The radio shows were actually interesting with different points of view. Now the callers are very carefully screened to make sure they compliment the hosts view. Talk radio is just more rightwing political propaganda.
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A border line between WV and Ohio is just the same as the border line between Texas and Mexico.
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Now I suspect you will need a passport to cross but thousands cross back and forth in a day.
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It can’t be too hard to get back in or Americans would not go to Mexico.
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The only people that can call themselves natives are the Indians. We are a nation of immigrants and in the not too distant past we went into foreign countries to get people to immigrate. The Indians also fought immigration and didn’t preserve their sovereignty. If it is the sovereignty you are worried about the vast majority of Americans should return to their family’s country of origin.
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I use the Internet for a limited number of things. If I want to watch a news program, I would rather watch it on television.
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There was a major paradigm shift during the Great Depression. Agriculture was a major part of the economy and under capitalism it was failing. The laws of supply and demand just led to failure. When farmers didn’t earn enough, they planted more, and the oversupply drove prices down and they earned less. Only government intervention saved them. One can’t imagine government limited the supply of televisions to drive price up, but agriculture is a horse of a different color.
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I think it is a shame that greed of tiny minority destroyed 200 years of hard work by the workingman.
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The wealth of a country is created by the work of the working class. The Indians could take the country back from a tiny number of rich who are bleeding America dry. China now owns America. They could buy and sell America in fact they have already bought a good portion of America. Who do you think loaned Trump the $21 trillion we owe?
Do you think we could buy China’s national debt? Oh, wait they don’t have any.
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They have a space program that landed on the dark side of the moon. Patents only last so long.
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We are far behind other countries in medicine our life span is shorter than many countries and we pay far more for inferior medical care. China is on the moon and will soon have the biggest space station while America has to pay the Russians for a ride to theirs. Our space program was downscaled to give the ungodly greedy even bigger tax cuts. I don’t know whether I would claim cable television as a great improvement since it is just sending a signal over a wire and antenna did that between the antenna and television. The great inventions now will be too small to see.
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I can never remember A KKK rally marching through a college campus at night with torches chanting “you will not replace us. The scary thing is that the KKK, the Neo-Nazis and the white nationalists have found common cause and united.
In the seventies dodge built the Aspen they rusted out so fast that a law suit mandate that the front fenders be replaced. We had a Ford that the roof rusted through after a couple of years. We had a whole fleet of Fords that stopped running every day at three o’clock. The fuel filters had to be replaced daily. Finally, the dealer determined that the gas tanks had been left out side at the factory and they were full of rust.
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Race relations are better between some, but racism is alive and well in the KKK. A well-known actor just confessed that after a friend of his was raped by a black man he went into black neighborhoods with a club looking for a random black man to kill. He hoped someone would jump him so he could beat them to death.
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That is a cold hard fact the white race has fallen below 50% in America.
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When Trump characterizes an entire race as murderers, rapists, and gang members that is racism 101.
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General Flynn told the Russians Trump would remove sanctions, pled guilty
Rick Gates, Trump’s assistant campaign manager, pled guilty
Michael Cohen, Trump’s fixer pled guilty
Paul Manafort, Trump’s campaign manager pled guilty
Roger Stone Trump’s long- time friend an associate soon to be guilty
George Papadopoulos, foreign policy advisor, pled guilty
15 Russians working GRU
Richard Pinedo identity theft in cooperation with the Russian effort, pled guilty
The list so far has 37 people that can link Trump to the Russians.
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The average salary for a CEO in America is $13.8 million
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Blue cross is a private company. When the government can get the job done for a $140,000 it is nothing but greed that makes the average salary at $13.8 million. This was caused by the humongous tax cuts for the ungodly greedy.
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Before the tax cuts the average CEO’s salary was only a few times the salary of the average worker now it is 204 times that of the average worker.
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That was in state tuition at Marshall out of state tuition $17,856 out of state is two and a quarter times what in state tuition. WV is one of the poorest states and one of the cheapest tuitions in America. A good portion of students come from out state. Universities have only two funding methods state support and tuition when one goes down the other must go up.
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The ungodly greedy have all the money they want to invest. When their taxes are cut, they buy another politician or two to get even bigger tax cuts. The ungodly greedy waste $100s of billions on buying politicians when they could just pay in taxes.
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When they corrupt our political system with their money, they have way too much money.
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You are still believing Romney’s great lie. I am on social security, meaning they are giving me back the money that I already paid in that was taxed when I earned it, and I am having to pay taxes on my money that was already taxed. Don’t believe every lie you hear. When you start having to pay tax on the money that was already taxed you will understand the Republican lies, they spread to get bigger tax cuts for the ungodly greedy.
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I think you will find that varies from state to state. Not all the property tax is spent on schools.
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The fact is these charter schools close during the school year taking the money and running.
“Inside Charter school Growth: A look at the closings”
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The property tax cuts in your state were probably given to the ungodly greedy.
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The president’s children would make it very inconvenient for the rest of the students.
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For those who fail to learn from history, and we all know who that is, the conservatives.
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Teachers are like other people meaning some will be liberal and some will be conservatives so the children would be exposed to both view-points.
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Trump says the Hispanics are all murderers, rapists, and gang members when you smear an entire race for the actions of a few that is racism pure and simple.
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Ignorance is wrong and should be stamped out wherever it is found.
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That is religion that was the knowledge passed down by the bible. The bible in the original form had to be changed looks like God got it wrong again. He had to wait on the telescope to be invented.
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That is exactly what happened to Russia when they went bankrupt Reagan stepped in and took credit for it. We will return the favor when America goes bankrupt Putin can take credit.
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You know I will never miss it.
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Clinton actually got the deficit under control and operated at a surplus. When Baby Bush took office the ungodly greedy led the charge saying “give the people back their money” of course the people were the ungodly greedy that plunged the country back into massive debt for another three rounds of tax cuts instead of paying for the wars. Obama had the wars started by Bush and Bush borrowed that money
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Clinton was the only president to balance the budget and he sure didn’t triple the national debt like Reagan.
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You must have been born yesterday when Trump called on the Russians to get Clinton missing e-mails the Russians broke into the servers within hours looking for e-mails and stealing others. Trump actually forwarded his orders to Russia publicly. Trump called on a foreign enemy to commit crimes to benefit his election. That is the lynch pin you might say.
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When there was a source that you asked for it was listed. Simple searches on google will return every source. Searching will do you a lot of good because it exposes you to many other sources on the same subject.
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We had a country that paid down the national debt for almost 40 years when an idiot got elected and ran the country like a teenager with a fistful of credit cards. If taxes had not been cut by 70% the budget would have been run at a surplus and the debt would have been paid off. Once the taxes were cut, they were never restored meaning you are going to continue to run at a deficit now having the interest tripled. Reagan financed the tripled deficit at some highest interest rate in history. My mom still has a bond that is paying outrageous interest because of Reagan.
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But you do have to buy it. You don’t have a choice not to buy it.
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I did take a bad fall on the ice, but I tucked my head to keep from being killed or worse.
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The law is going to take custody of you after a suicide attempt.
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Assisted suicide should be legal. We treat animals far better then people. When my dad was dying, my mom, who was the head of intensive care for years, told me that there are far worse things than dying. Medical advancements now can keep people alive to point that they will begin to rot while they are alive.
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The biological functions of your body should be under your control. The law covered those that were born. Religious ignorance caused the abortion debate because they took the position that the imaginary soul entered the fetus at conception and that passed for birth instead of actual birth when a baby is covered by law. You are free to imagine anything you want but when you base the law on your imagination there is going to be problems.


Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2019 01:10 pm
@Zardoz,
These posts have been getting too long, I'm going to shorten them up with blunt answers:
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When were the other six people arrested for the Las Vegas shooting?

There is no difference between deaths when people are killed.

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Most of the white nationalists, KKK, and Neo-Nazis came to Charlottesville

Making a mountain out of a mole hill. A majority of these guys were duped as to the real intention of the march. I also don't think a protest or rally should be met with violence.

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No, they are not. The actual statistics show that immigrants are less likely to cause crime than their native-born peers, and that natives are more likely to be incarcerated than immigrants.

For me it doesn't matter how many are caught, it comes down to people who were victims of crime by people who shouldn't be in the US in the first place.

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People with extremely high IQs but who lack emotional intelligence end up as failures it always takes a blend of both.

Proof, facts, links?

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You have to know the history of Fox News who founded it and why they founded it.

It was actually founded to counter the anti-American slat of CNN.

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A border line between WV and Ohio is just the same as the border line between Texas and Mexico.

You mean the line on the map... I guess you don't know the difference between countries and states?

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Now I suspect you will need a passport to cross but thousands cross back and forth in a day.

You do know the difference between legal and illegal border crossing don't you?

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It can’t be too hard to get back in or Americans would not go to Mexico.

Have you never walked across the border to Mexico? It isn't hard to get back in, but you just don't get to stroll across with no questions asked.

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The only people that can call themselves natives are the Indians.

That's some PC BS that came up in the last decade or so. They aren't native either, they immigrated across the Bering Strait.

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We are a nation of immigrants and in the not too distant past we went into foreign countries to get people to immigrate. The Indians also fought immigration and didn’t preserve their sovereignty. If it is the sovereignty you are worried about the vast majority of Americans should return to their family’s country of origin.

Which Indian nation controlled immigration to the US?

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If it is the sovereignty you are worried about the vast majority of Americans should return to their family’s country of origin.

Let me see if I understand this, American citizens should go back to the countries of their ancestors, but illegal immigrants to the US don't have to go back?

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There was a major paradigm shift during the Great Depression. Agriculture was a major part of the economy and under capitalism it was failing.

No it wasn't. Agriculture was failing because of the industrial revolution, people were leaving the country side and moving to the city for new and better work.

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The laws of supply and demand just led to failure.

Wrong again, it was likely govt intervention that caused the problem in the first place. I'm sure prohibition played a big part in this due to crops not being used for making of alcohol.

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The wealth of a country is created by the work of the working class.

They would have nothing to work on if it wasn't for the start of a business, which the govt doesn't do.

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The Indians could take the country back from a tiny number of rich who are bleeding America dry.

What sort of non-sense is this?

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China now owns America. They could buy and sell America in fact they have already bought a good portion of America. Who do you think loaned Trump the $21 trillion we owe?

Loaned Trump? You don't understand how any of this works do you? At this point Trump is responsible for about 2 trillion, Obama's portion is about 10 trillion and Bush Jr's portion is maybe 4 trillion. Loaned Trump?

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Do you think we could buy China’s national debt? Oh, wait they don’t have any.

Every country has a national debt, including China.

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We are far behind other countries in medicine

No we are not, we actually lead the world in medical advancements, why do you keep lying about Americans standing? Exactly how anti-American are you?

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our life span is shorter than many countries and we pay far more for inferior medical care.

It's easy to say such things when we have a much more diverse population than any other country in the world. That diverse population leads to different medial issues that aren't all easy solved by a cookie cutter care system.

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China is on the moon and will soon have the biggest space station while America has to pay the Russians for a ride to theirs.

Make sure to thank Obama for that mess. Don't worry though, Space X is going to put the US back at the top of the space race. Obama let us down but that was on purpose, he already said he didn't believe in American Exceptionalism and killing our space program was part of the plan to lower the US standing in the world. Obama sold us out to the Russians.

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Our space program was downscaled to give the ungodly greedy even bigger tax cuts.

No, it was down scaled because Obama didn't believe the US should lead the world in space, he wanted China and Russia to take the lead.

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I don’t know whether I would claim cable television as a great improvement since it is just sending a signal over a wire and antenna did that between the antenna and television. The great inventions now will be too small to see.

You don't understand tech at all do you? Considering you claimed we haven't invented anything in the last 50 years... idiot.

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I can never remember A KKK rally marching through a college campus at night with torches chanting “you will not replace us.

The DNC did it all the time in the late 1800's and into the mid 1900's.

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Race relations are better between some, but racism is alive and well in the KKK.

The KKK is weak with a weak voice, only the left gives them the time of day, the right ignores them, which is what you should do with such people.

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A well-known actor just confessed that after a friend of his was raped by a black man he went into black neighborhoods with a club looking for a random black man to kill. He hoped someone would jump him so he could beat them to death.

It was Liam Neeson and it was 40 years ago. I read the story and of course the left is going ape ****.

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That is a cold hard fact the white race has fallen below 50% in America.

First of all I don't care what percentage of white people are in America, I've said for about 20 years that we will all be some color of brown in 100 years.
As for the 50% claim, that is incorrect. As of 2017, whites made up 76% of the population.
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045217

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When Trump characterizes an entire race as murderers, rapists, and gang members that is racism 101.

Except he didn't do that, stop lying.

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General Flynn told the Russians Trump would remove sanctions, pled guilty
Rick Gates, Trump’s assistant campaign manager, pled guilty
Michael Cohen, Trump’s fixer pled guilty
Paul Manafort, Trump’s campaign manager pled guilty
Roger Stone Trump’s long- time friend an associate soon to be guilty
George Papadopoulos, foreign policy advisor, pled guilty
15 Russians working GRU
Richard Pinedo identity theft in cooperation with the Russian effort, pled guilty
The list so far has 37 people that can link Trump to the Russians.

None of it had anything to do with the election and the truth will be coming out, you are going to be shocked and won't believe what is released.

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The average salary for a CEO in America is $13.8 million

That maybe the case for the top 500 companies, but there are thousands of CEO's and they don't make that much money. I already shared the facts with you.

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Before the tax cuts the average CEO’s salary was only a few times the salary of the average worker now it is 204 times that of the average worker.

Wrong wrong wrong.
https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Chief_Executive_Officer_(CEO)/Salary

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The ungodly greedy have all the money they want to invest.

True, but if the return on that investment is taken up in increased taxes, why should they invest?

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When their taxes are cut, they buy another politician or two to get even bigger tax cuts. The ungodly greedy waste $100s of billions on buying politicians when they could just pay in taxes.

Let look at who really owns those politicians. When it comes the top wealthiest people in the US, you know those billionaires, a majority of them support leftist candidates. Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Larry Page, Larry Ellison and Sergey Brin all support leftist causes and politicians.

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When they corrupt our political system with their money, they have way too much money.

Yes, the richest people in the US are indeed corrupting our nation with socialist causes in which they will be the only ones left with any money. Remember Obama and Hillary both had over 1 billion in campaign funds.

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You are still believing Romney’s great lie.

Which lie is that? I'm sure you still believe Harry Reid's lie about Romney and his taxes...

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I am on social security, meaning they are giving me back the money that I already paid in that was taxed when I earned it, and I am having to pay taxes on my money that was already taxed.

You are not living off of the money you put into the system, you are living off of the money I'm putting into the system, a system that I won't get anything from, talk about greedy. You got yours so screw the younger generation.

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The fact is these charter schools close during the school year taking the money and running.
“Inside Charter school Growth: A look at the closings”
SOURCE: NACSA

Did you bother to read the article?

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The property tax cuts in your state were probably given to the ungodly greedy.

There haven't been any property tax cuts, the leftists are always trying to increase them for pet projects, like "safe injection" sites...

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For those who fail to learn from history, and we all know who that is, the conservatives.

Wrong again, it's the left that is always pushing a failed system, no matter how many times or places it has failed. Socialism and Communism are failed ideals.

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Teachers are like other people meaning some will be liberal and some will be conservatives so the children would be exposed to both view-points.

Who are you kidding, the left controls the education system in the US.

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Clinton actually got the deficit under control and operated at a surplus.

He had a surplus for 1 year, the National Debt still climbed during Clintons years in office.

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Clinton was the only president to balance the budget and he sure didn’t triple the national debt like Reagan.

Did he balance the budget, or did the GOP force him to balance the budget when they took control of Congress?

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You must have been born yesterday when Trump called on the Russians to get Clinton missing e-mails the Russians broke into the servers within hours looking for e-mails and stealing others. Trump actually forwarded his orders to Russia publicly. Trump called on a foreign enemy to commit crimes to benefit his election. That is the lynch pin you might say.

You really are a sucker aren't you?

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When there was a source that you asked for it was listed. Simple searches on google will return every source. Searching will do you a lot of good because it exposes you to many other sources on the same subject.

For all the pages and pages you have typed out, you have provided maybe 6 sources. You need more and I'm not going to do the searches for you, don't be lazy.

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But you do have to buy it. You don’t have a choice not to buy it.

Car insurance? It's only needed if you have a car, and there is no fine from the IRS from not having it. Car insurance laws are state level.











Zardoz
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2019 12:00 am
@Baldimo,
There is a difference in how people are killed and why people are killed. People have always been killed to forward a political agenda but thrill killing is relatively new.
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People are well aware of the beliefs of the KKK, Neo-Nazis and white nationalists. I don’t think anybody can claim they don’t know what they stand for. It is significant that it was the biggest gathering for hate in 50 years.
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There will always be victims of crimes and the illegals are more likely to be victims of crime. Look at this way while the real criminals are victimizing the illegals aliens, they are not victimizing you.
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“EQ vs IQ Which is Most Important in the Success or Failure of Students”

Source: Science Direct
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It was founded by a life long political operative to spread political propaganda just as the owner other property in Red China. If you can spread propaganda in Red China, you can spread it anywhere.
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They are both border lines aren’t they.
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I guess that depends on whether Trump got you visa or not.
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No, I don’t stray too far from home.
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The Indians had been here for thousands of years before the white man and found themselves in the same position you find yourself now.
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They were here and that is all that matters. If you found a car in a parking lot with no one guarding it would you consider it yours for the taking. No one is guarding it so it must be free. That is your theory on America
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If the illegals must go back home why should the other illegal aliens’ descendants not be sent home?
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Agriculture is absolutely necessary during the great depression, afterwards and in the future. The nation has to eat. The industrial revolution had absolutely nothing to do with the failure of the agricultural sectors. Capitalism was entirely responsible for the over production if anything the industrial revolution would lower that production as farmers left the farm for jobs in industry.

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There was no government intervention till after the failure. What they knew for sure was capitalism was the root cause of the failure and something else had to be done before a total and complete collapse.
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Men worked for thousands of years without businesses.
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The fact is that the richest 1% could not defend the country or even their own wealth from a revolution. The bottom 99% provide the police forces and the army so they can keep hold of their vast wealth. Even the Indians could overrun that top 1% without the 99%.
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No, Trump is responsible for $12 trillion. His huge tax cut for ungodly greedy will cost the government another $10 trillion over the next 10 years. Baby Bush should have raised taxes to pay for attacking a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. Likewise, Obama had nothing to do with the second great depression Obama had to dig the country out of. Both of these took place on Baby Bush’s watch. Every war in history was paid for by raising taxes Bush cut taxes three time while waging two wars. The cost of war goes on for years the total cost is estimated at $10 trillion over twenty years when all costs are taken into account.
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If China had a national debt, they would not be purchasing ours. They would be in debt. How much of the national debt of other countries does America own? You are either a debtor nation or lender nation. Before the conservatives came to power America was the biggest lender nation in the world.
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The only way to judge the medical industry is in the life span of its citizens nothing else matters. America 78.6 years, Canada 82.3, Japan 83.98. Infant mortality is also lower than other industrialized countries. That is, the cold hard facts.
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The fact is that greed-based healthcare is both inferior and wasteful. You are not up to your racist beliefs in a master race with superior life spans? Just look across the Canadian border with just as diverse a population.
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It has been 51 years since we have been on the moon that was at least 40 years before Obama took office. Massive tax cuts for the ungodly greedy ended our edge in the space race. You can’t spend the same dollar twice. Trump is putting space X about a business by running his wall through the launch pads.
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Our space program was all but eliminated by Reagan to fund 70% tax cuts for the ungodly greedy.
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Cable TV does not qualify as an invention, amplifiers have been around for a long time. I spent 3 ½ years in an electronic theory program. My engineering was in electrical and mechanical. You might say I would have a pretty good idea.
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Nothing even close to Charlottesville has taken place in 50 years. The typical clan rally in the last 50 years had about 9 locals dressed up in white robes being beaten up by little old ladies. Charlottesville was a national convention of hate mongers.
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The KKK is growing by leaps in bounds in the trump environment of hate. The Grand Wizard of the KKK says they are growing at record rates 50 to 80 applications a day and this is only one small chapter.
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When you admit that you wanted to kill just any black man to make up for a rape that is good old fashion racism. That is the way the lynch mobs operated. You rape one of ours we will kill one of yours it doesn’t matter who any black man will do.
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Are you using the KKK site for your information? The problem with your figure is that it counts white Hispanic as whites. When only whites are counted your source lists the figure at 60.7% while it is not 50% it is headed down that way. If all the uncounted illegal aliens are accounted for it would be much closer to 50%.
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That is how he launched his campaign: “They’re sending people that have a lot of problems, and they are bringing those problems with us. They are bringing drugs. They are bringing crime. They are rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” Quote the fecal Midas.
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You believe the campaign manager and the assistant campaign manager had nothing to do with Trumps election.
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That figure was given as the average for all CEOs
“Across all companies the average CEO pay was $13.8 million per year”
Source: Glass Door listed the CEO of Discovery Comm, David M Zaslav salary as $156,077,912
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If the ungodly greedy can make 2% more in Japan on their money than in America, they will invest in Japan.
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What about Sheldon Alderson who spent a $100,000,000 in the last election The Koch brother who have spent billions on republicans. Those three would have far out spent those you have listed, and I can site a hundred more just like them.
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Why would the ungodly spend their money to raise their taxes? They would not want to buy enough democratic politicians to keep their taxes down and shift more of their tax burden to the middle class. We had a city manager who would give campaign contributions to everyone running for council so that whoever was elected owed him. Political contributions are that way they will give to both candidates to ensure access though one candidate may get far more.
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If only 50% paid taxes this country would be $42 trillion in debt. How do you explain the fact that people are doubled taxed on money they already paid taxes on?
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The money I put in the social security system is held in US treasury bonds the safest investment in the world. That is a republican lie and you know it there is $2.9 trillion in the social security trust fund. Social security was designed to do exactly that. It was designed as a pay as you go program. My money was not paid out it was used to create a trust fund. Even in the worst-case scenario social security would continue to pay out at ¾ of benefits it can’t go broke as long as there is an income. If you have a Roth account, you do not have to pay taxes on it because it was funded with money that was already taxed social security was created with taxed money but then Roth accounts were set up for the rich.
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Yes, I did and that it why I posted part of it.
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The Republicans in your state haven’t succeeded in making your state the worst in education, the least educated state in the union so they can give bigger and bigger tax cuts to the ungodly greedy don’t worry they will.
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Socialism is alive and well in many countries and it is alive and well in America as well. Government will always have more tools in their tool box than just a hammer. If all the government programs in America were studied to find their source of origins many would be surprised to find the majority have an origin in socialism, like our farm programs.
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Do you think the school system only hires liberal teachers? That they reject teachers because of political affiliation?
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But you have to admit it was under control when Clinton turned it over to baby Bush and baby Bush ran up the deficit by giving more tax cuts to the ungodly greedy.
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The congress writes the budget, but it doesn’t become law until the president signs it. The president is considered to be the manager and because the congress writes budgets the president does not have to spend it.
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The truth is out there, and you are not going to like it. Fox news is like Trump they have told ten thousand lies. The theory is if you tell a lie enough people will believe it and you are a case in point.
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This is not a book where every source is listed nor should it be. There are two reference listed in this post alone.
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That is going to change soon health insurance will become Medicare for all.









Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 7 Feb, 2019 01:32 pm
@Zardoz,
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There is a difference in how people are killed and why people are killed. People have always been killed to forward a political agenda but thrill killing is relatively new.

Dead is dead, 68 with a vehicle and 56 with a gun.

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People are well aware of the beliefs of the KKK, Neo-Nazis and white nationalists. I don’t think anybody can claim they don’t know what they stand for.

We all know what Communists stand for and yet no one in the media is speaking out against Antifa. I consider the KKK, Nazi's and Antifa/Communists/Socialists on the same playing field, they should all be given as little media attention as possible and their teachings and ideals should refuted in our centers of education.

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There will always be victims of crimes and the illegals are more likely to be victims of crime.

In their own communities, just like every other group of people. Sanctuary cities protect the bad ones so they can continue to hurt the good ones. The left has convinced your average illegal immigrant not to work with police because they will be deported, this emboldens those who wish to do harm in their communities.

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“EQ vs IQ Which is Most Important in the Success or Failure of Students”

Source: Science Direct

First off I'm going to point out that this isn't a very good study. 60 people, 55 females and 5 males and they are measuring Emotional Intelligence? Lets point out that women are much more sensitive to people's emotions than men are, so there's a bias built into the testing. The results of the study in no way point to the failures of high IQ people. In fact the conclusion doesn't even get into your original point of empathy being the key. It only relates how EQ is used to keep stress in check so that the IQ can solve the problem.
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The results of the study demonstrated that EQ components cannot function isolated, contrary they are in a interdependence relation. Humans must be consciousness enough of themselves to identify what really push them to reach success in some situations. Also, they must be capable to control their emotional energies to use the maxim level of their capacity, especially in stress conditions.
Individuals must be sensitive at what motivates others if they want to influence these persons behavior. Understanding motivation goes to social abilities development, including the capacity of having a positive effect on
others behavior, of being able to resolve conflicts, to live and work with humans. Even though an individual have enough knowledge and brilliant ideas, if he is not managing to control his emotions and feelings he can get difficulties in his trying to build human relations or a success career


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They are both border lines aren’t they.

They are not equal border lines. National vs international not to mention who has jurisdiction over the people within those borders. This faulty path of logic shows how dishonest you are as a poster.

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No, I don’t stray too far from home.

So you have never seen the border with your own eye's or crossed it? How can you possibly tell me, someone who has crossed the Mexican border more than a dozen times, what it's like on the border???

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The Indians had been here for thousands of years before the white man and found themselves in the same position you find yourself now.

Since you dodged the question, I'll ask again. Who dictated the immigration system when the "white man" first started coming to the this land? Which of the tribes was in charge?

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They were here and that is all that matters. If you found a car in a parking lot with no one guarding it would you consider it yours for the taking. No one is guarding it so it must be free. That is your theory on America

Sorry, I'm not going to agree on this subject at all. The US is here to stay and no amount of "history guilt" is going to change that. You have a sever hate for the nation you grew up in.

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If the illegals must go back home why should the other illegal aliens’ descendants not be sent home?

I'm not even going to entertain this nonsense. This is the last defense of a defenseless issue. Go peddle your guilt somewhere else.

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Agriculture is absolutely necessary during the great depression, afterwards and in the future.

That doesn't change the fact that people were moving to the cities for better lives. We have far less farmers now then we did back then, and they produce more food then the old farmers could possibly imagine. They do it mostly thanks to science, better seeds and soil control, and improvements in technology bigger better tractors, I fail to see why we don't have more tech in the fields, robot pickers.

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The nation has to eat. The industrial revolution had absolutely nothing to do with the failure of the agricultural sectors. Capitalism was entirely responsible for the over production if anything the industrial revolution would lower that production as farmers left the farm for jobs in industry.

You fail to understand how technology and industry changed the employment landscape. You also neglect to point out the Dust Bowl years, which had a major impact on farming.

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Men worked for thousands of years without businesses.

Sure they did, but then govt was also made up of Royalty and business didn't exist without the blessing of the King or Queen, even then the baker, blacksmith, butcher and clothes merchants would disagree. You really don't understand how things work do you?

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The fact is that the richest 1% could not defend the country or even their own wealth from a revolution. The bottom 99% provide the police forces and the army so they can keep hold of their vast wealth. Even the Indians could overrun that top 1% without the 99%.

What's your point? Kill the rich and take their stuff?

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No, Trump is responsible for $12 trillion.

That's not how this works.

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His huge tax cut for ungodly greedy will cost the government another $10 trillion over the next 10 years.

Wrong again, the original prediction was $1 trillion over 10 years, the latest is $1.9 trillion, not even close to the $12 trillion you claim. Why is it that your numbers are always so exaggerated, to the point where they can be dismissed?

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If China had a national debt, they would not be purchasing ours. They would be in debt. How much of the national debt of other countries does America own? You are either a debtor nation or lender nation. Before the conservatives came to power America was the biggest lender nation in the world.

Each time you post, you continue to prove you know nothing about how thing work.
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The national debt[note 1] (or government debt) of the People's Republic of China is the total amount of money owed by the government and all state organizations and government branches of China. As of October 2018, it stands at approximately CN¥ 36 trillion (US$ 5.2 trillion),[1] equivalent to about 47.6% of GDP. Standard & Poor's Global Ratings has stated Chinese local governments may have an additional CN¥40 trillion ($5.8 trillion) in off-balance sheet debt.[2] The high debt level is a current economic issue facing China.[3][4][5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_China

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The only way to judge the medical industry is in the life span of its citizens nothing else matters.

Wrong again. People make horrible personal choices which cause a lot of their own medical issues. Poor eating habits, lack of exercise of any kind high risk lifestyles, it all add's up and medical care can only help those who help themselves.

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America 78.6 years, Canada 82.3, Japan 83.98. Infant mortality is also lower than other industrialized countries. That is, the cold hard facts.

Yes, personal choice makes a big difference in your medical outcomes.

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The fact is that greed-based healthcare is both inferior and wasteful.

If that's the case, how come we lead the world in medical research? If we had the same system as other nations, the world would be worse off, a majority of the medical advancements come from the US.

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You are not up to your racist beliefs in a master race with superior life spans? Just look across the Canadian border with just as diverse a population.

Nothing I said was racist, so stuff that where the sun don't shine. You can always tell when someone is loosing the argument, they turn to the racist card. Japan leads the world in life spans, are they the master race?

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It has been 51 years since we have been on the moon that was at least 40 years before Obama took office.

Do you even do math? It's been 46 years, Dec 1972. Obama did nothing to even try and fund a new space vehicle program and left us dependent on Russia to get into space... if Trump had done this, you would be screaming about it, not blaming "tax cuts".

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Massive tax cuts for the ungodly greedy ended our edge in the space race.

No, it was actually Nixon who ended our edge in the space race when he moved NASA money from the Moon programs to the Space Shuttle programs.
http://www.planetary.org/blogs/guest-blogs/jason-callahan/20141003-how-richard-nixon-changed-nasa.html

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Trump is putting space X about a business by running his wall through the launch pads.

Fact's, proof, links?

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Our space program was all but eliminated by Reagan to fund 70% tax cuts for the ungodly greedy.

Read above for the facts, not everything is about tax cuts.

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Cable TV does not qualify as an invention, amplifiers have been around for a long time. I spent 3 ½ years in an electronic theory program. My engineering was in electrical and mechanical. You might say I would have a pretty good idea.

Sure it does, just as broadcast TV was an invention and radio before that. You can study the theory all you want, you have no practical knowledge of how the system works or evolved. I actually worked in the cable tv/internet industry for 6 years, some folks on this forum called me "cable guy" as an insult.

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Nothing even close to Charlottesville has taken place in 50 years. The typical clan rally in the last 50 years had about 9 locals dressed up in white robes being beaten up by little old ladies. Charlottesville was a national convention of hate mongers.

You have a hook on the 50 year mark for everything, so I'm going to doubt your timeline and point out that ACLU defended the rights of KKK/Neo Nazi's to march in Jewish Skokie IL in 1977, that was less than 50 years ago. As for the intention of the Unite the Right march, I don't support their cause of racism, but I do support their right to hold a rally and march.

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The KKK is growing by leaps in bounds in the trump environment of hate. The Grand Wizard of the KKK says they are growing at record rates 50 to 80 applications a day and this is only one small chapter.

No they aren't. You believe the Grand Wizard, he has no reason to lie does he?

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Are you using the KKK site for your information? The problem with your figure is that it counts white Hispanic as whites. When only whites are counted your source lists the figure at 60.7% while it is not 50% it is headed down that way. If all the uncounted illegal aliens are accounted for it would be much closer to 50%.

Did you bother to read the link, it's from the Census govt site.

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That is how he launched his campaign: “They’re sending people that have a lot of problems, and they are bringing those problems with us. They are bringing drugs. They are bringing crime. They are rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” Quote the fecal Midas.

His words might have been strong, but they weren't wrong and they are really no different than the words used by DNC politicians through the years. The opposite side of this coin is that everyone who comes across the border illegally, is a good person and none of them ever do the things described.

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You believe the campaign manager and the assistant campaign manager had nothing to do with Trumps election.

Manafort was fired before the end of the election, so no I don't think he had a roll to play in Trump winning. As to the assistant campaign manager I'll say it again, none of the charges deal with the election:
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On October 27, 2017, Gates and Manafort were indicted by a federal grand jury as part of the Special Counsel investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections and related matters.[12][3] The twelve-count indictment charges the two men with conspiracy against the United States, making false statements, money laundering, and failing to register as foreign agents for Ukraine as required by the Foreign Agents Registration Act.[12] The charges arise from his consulting work for a pro-Russian government in Ukraine and are unrelated to the Trump campaign.[13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Gates_(political_consultant)

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That figure was given as the average for all CEOs
“Across all companies the average CEO pay was $13.8 million per year”
Source: Glass Door listed the CEO of Discovery Comm, David M Zaslav salary as $156,077,912

Because you are dishonest in your posts, I'll add this part of the article you missed:
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In the table below, we show the ratio of CEO pay to median worker pay for companies listed in the S&P 500.

So you are limiting your pay rage to just those in the S&P 500 which doesn't gave an accurate accounting of the average CEO pay for all CEO's in the US. Don't pick and choose a stat because it favors your point of view.

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If the ungodly greedy can make 2% more in Japan on their money than in America, they will invest in Japan.

It depends on the tax code in Japan and their laws on foreign investment.

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What about Sheldon Alderson who spent a $100,000,000 in the last election The Koch brother who have spent billions on republicans. Those three would have far out spent those you have listed, and I can site a hundred more just like them.

The proof is in the pudding. We already know Hillary had over $1 Billion... Trump had half her amount of money.

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Why would the ungodly spend their money to raise their taxes?

Your an atheist, why do you keep using that term, do you think it actually means something to a non-Christian? As for their taxes, you would have to ask all those rich people who support Socialists. They know they will be left at the top of the food chain when all is said and done, they are fools, you socialists will tear them down as well, no one will have any freedom or liberty.

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They would not want to buy enough democratic politicians to keep their taxes down and shift more of their tax burden to the middle class. We had a city manager who would give campaign contributions to everyone running for council so that whoever was elected owed him. Political contributions are that way they will give to both candidates to ensure access though one candidate may get far more.


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If only 50% paid taxes this country would be $42 trillion in debt.

You suck with numbers. Have you even looked at data on who actually pays taxes? You are all rhetoric and no facts.
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The individual income tax is designed to be progressive – those with higher incomes pay at higher rates. A Pew Research Center analysis of IRS data from 2015, the most recent available, shows that taxpayers with incomes of $200,000 or more paid well over half (58.8%) of federal income taxes, though they accounted for only 4.5% of all returns filed (6.8% of all taxable returns).
By contrast, taxpayers with incomes below $30,000 filed nearly 44% of all returns but paid just 1.4% of all federal income tax – in fact, two-thirds of the nearly 66 million returns filed by people in that lowest income tier owed no tax at all.

Those 66 million returns that owned no money, that got back far more then they paid in, it's a negative when you look at actual dollar amounts. Fair share my ass.

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How do you explain the fact that people are doubled taxed on money they already paid taxes on?

You mean like the death tax and a majority of all money in the stock market, that sort of already taxed money being double taxed?

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The Republicans in your state haven’t succeeded in making your state the worst in education, the least educated state in the union so they can give bigger and bigger tax cuts to the ungodly greedy don’t worry they will.

What sort of word salad is this?

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Socialism is alive and well in many countries and it is alive and well in America as well.

It's the countries that aren't alive and well, Socialism is just fine.

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Government will always have more tools in their tool box than just a hammer. If all the government programs in America were studied to find their source of origins many would be surprised to find the majority have an origin in socialism, like our farm programs.

All socialism has is a hammer, the force of govt. It's why our Constitution isn't compatible with such a system as the Constitution limits the powers of govt, not the people.

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Do you think the school system only hires liberal teachers? That they reject teachers because of political affiliation?

Yes I do. It isn't hard to do a social media search and figure out people's political beliefs. You really are behind the times aren't you.

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But you have to admit it was under control when Clinton turned it over to baby Bush

First off it wasn't thanks to Clinton, do you not recall the govt shutdowns that took place to force Clinton to the table with the GOP? The number of veto's and veto overrides that took place? Your memory of those events is off by a lot.

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and baby Bush ran up the deficit by giving more tax cuts to the ungodly greedy.

Do you not recall the dot com bubble crash that took place just before the 2000 elections? How about the cooking the books scandals that all broke under the Bush administration, the book cooking all took place under the Clinton "raging economy". In reality the economy was booming because of the internet revolution and it crashed before Bush even took office. You leftists never seem to remember those events and the impact they had on the early years of the Bush admin. Throw in 9-11 and Bush first term was filled with chaos, Obama never would have survived such things.

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The congress writes the budget, but it doesn’t become law until the president signs it. The president is considered to be the manager and because the congress writes budgets the president does not have to spend it.

So explain why there hasn't been an annual budget from the govt in about 6 or 7 years, we have been running on continuing budget bills since then.

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The truth is out there, and you are not going to like it. Fox news is like Trump they have told ten thousand lies. The theory is if you tell a lie enough people will believe it and you are a case in point.

Even though none of the "indictments" have anything to do with the election, the MSM keeps pushing that false narrative. They are doing exactly what you claim, repeating a lie.

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This is not a book where every source is listed nor should it be. There are two reference listed in this post alone.

If you make claims, back them up or they don't exist. You got 2 references, both of which I was able to refute. They need to be sources that back up what you claim, not a small portion of the truth.

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That is going to change soon health insurance will become Medicare for all.

It likely isn't going to happen, just like the 2nd Amendment isn't going anywhere soon.

Zardoz
 
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@Baldimo,
Hitler killed 7 million in WWII I guess that is the same thing also.
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Antifa didn’t schedule a convention for hate mongers. When the hate mongers go looking for fight, they are going to find one. This country can never let the hate mongers get a foothold. The last time that happened 85 million people died. You still believe there are only to philosophies of government. Getting low information voters to believe that has resulted in America being $21 trillion in debt.
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Illegals are subject to the very same laws we are, even in sanctuary cities.
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When you did the search for emotional intelligence you should have returned several other studies. That study is only one of many.
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You think not all borderlines are created equal.
A picture is as good as a thousand words, but a video is worth a million. One does not have to go to the moon to know what the surface of the moon looks like.
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We now know the Vikings were the first to arrive and no one dictated the immigration system at that time.
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The US is here alright but as the Indians gave way to white people the white people will give way to other races. Time does not stand still.
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If you can justify taking this land from the Indians, then you should not be surprised when somebody takes it from you. Hell, they might even be kind and put you on a reservation.
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The problem was that there were, way too many people trying to farm for a living. The people moving to the cities would have made the situation better not worse. The better seeds and science would have made things far worse without introducing socialist solutions to our agriculture system that persist to this day.
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The Dust bowl years would be a blessing for the over-supply that is what the government was fighting. The government had to find a way to control supply or buy up the excess and they did both. So much for capitalism and greedism is born.
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I understand all too well, while you took the blue pill and believe in an illusion. Capitalism died years a go what you see is a ghost.
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The point is the ungodly greedy could not hold on to their vast wealth without the bottom 99% providing armies of policemen and a strong military to protect their vast wealth.
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Things are costed out when a bill is passed over what they will cost over 10 years. When Trump signed that tax cut for the ungodly greedy everyone knew what the cost was going to be. Trump will still be saving millions in taxes 8 years from now. This cannot be blamed on the next president even though the deficit occurs on his watch.
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They are already finding the tax cuts are costing far more than projected. They projected that businesses would use the tax cuts to expand but instead they used the money from the tax cuts to buy back their stock. Meaning the economic projections will be inaccurate. What can I say I often write from memory and after all the decimal point was just out by one place?
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That was a fact we were the biggest lender nation in the world but as soon as the conservatives took over, we became the biggest debtor nation. Conservatives? That is a misuse of the word.
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I am very surprised that China had a national debt. The Chinese own $1.18 trillion of our national debt and Japan owns another $1.03 trillion. The Chinese could sell $1.18 trillion and pay a good deal of their debt off.
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America and Canada are both in North America and the only real difference is that Canada has Universal healthcare and America has a greed-based healthcare system. There is not a significant difference in life styles except Canada is much colder.
There was a good example of our greed-based healthcare system on the evening news. A teenager had become paralyzed and a certain drug would let him walk again. The drug company that owned the drug gave it away free to those who needed it. Another company bought the drug and altered it slightly. This is what is called a me-too drug. This allows the drug company to get a new patent. The new drug company sold the drug at $375,000 for a years-worth. From free to $375,000 that is capitalism (greedism) at work.
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You can try and make excuses but greedism is no better for healthcare than it was for agriculture. You must mean the use of maggots that is a medical advancement.
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In Kentucky three cardiologist were arrested for doing unnecessary open-heart surgery on people who had no heart disease. There were at least 30 cases at that hospital and that was not the only hospital involved. Imagine having your rib cage sawed into and pried open for the greed of a doctor making a million. Our medical system is based in greed and driven by greed. In countries with universal healthcare doctors are paid a salary and get bonuses based on how healthy their patients are not by how many people they can butcher.
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It is very obvious that you believe that the increased lifespan has to do with race not a greed based medical system. That is racism.
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This is 2019 -1972 =47 You are saying that the moon landing was 1972 that Obama was responsible because there was not one in 1973. That is ancient history. By the time Obama gets into office the conservatives had cut the taxes on the ungodly greedy five times. To have a space program is very expensive and if you are going to have one you must have the money and besides the conservatives think it should be private sector now, we will have space tours of 4 minutes sort of like expensive amusement park rides but hey that is capitalism. You get 4 minutes for $250,000
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You mean that another Republican ended it.
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“Space X May Be New Barrier for Trump’s Border Wall”

Source: New York Times
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The drug unit had a saying, the best way to eliminate drug dealers is to take their money and drugs. The stated conservative strategy was to bleed the government dry with tax cuts to point there would be no money to fund the programs space or other programs.
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Believe the program was not all theory we also had a lab and we had to build different projects. Broadcast TV would be far more-high tech than a hard wire arrangement. That is much like a wired telephone to a cell phone. We had wired telephones in the early 1900 but cell phones took much longer to develop. The telephone wires and the cable wires preform the same basic functions
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That is quite reasonable since that 50 years would be my adult years. When I was one, I didn’t pay any attention to politics. Is that the one where 20,000 spectators showed up to watch two Neo-Nazis march.
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No, I think the Grand Wizard has a reason to brag. Trump has created an environment where the hate mongers will grow by leaps and bounds.
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I did indeed follow the link and it was from the census and what do we know about the census? That it is admittedly wrong because of self-reporting and the many aliens that won’t respond.
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His words are text book racist and you know it. Trump built a fire under racism in America on day one. If he had said most black people love watermelon it would be no less racist. They are just people and are less likely to be criminals than other American, so it was not only racist it was a lie.

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Manafort continued to work the campaign and called Trump ever day to advise him. Gates suppled even more information today abut Manafort. Manafort spent so much time in Ukraine and Russia I am surprised he can remember how to speak English. You have absolutely no idea how much information they have on fecal Midas. Trump has the Midas touch in reverse everything he touches turn s***
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“Conspiracy against the United States” that really says it all. That is what Trump will soon be charged with that is what the investigations is all about.
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I know the CEO of the corner bar was not counted they are not counting mom and pop operations. I could incorporate tomorrow and declare myself CEO. The statement clearly says all CEOS and that came word per word from the article.
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When 2% it will be after taxes this is exactly what happened with our manufacturing base when they made more money oversea that is where it was moved.
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“Adelson, Who Donated over a $100 Million to Republicans and to the GOP is Watching Results” With Trump” In 2016 you have to count what the Russian Military spent to get Trump elected.
Source: US News
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That is the best way to describe the greedy. It does it seems to irritate a lot of people which means they have to stop and think. In time they will be torn down. They will keep stealing from the general population until the country collapses and when it collapses there will no longer be any protection from the marauding mobs. Being at the top of the food chain is one thing being in the stratosphere is quite another. An interesting graph shows that between 1970 and 2000 the wealth the bottom 99% increased $2,710 while the average wealth 100th of 1% increased by $20,382,482. When this is represented on a graph the bottom 99% increase is represented by a bar 1/8 in height while the top 100th of 1% bar is 62 feet 6 inches.
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Everyone pays taxes. Even the homeless living on the street pay taxes when they buy something to eat or drink. The lie that only rich people pay tax in America is the biggest lie ever told.
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Do you not understand that those making over $200,000 pay 58% of the taxes but have 75% of the income meaning they by far are not paying their share anytime you see any figure from PEW it stinks to high heaven and they always lie with figures. They always try to deceive you with the low numbers of the wealthy but don’t ever tell you how big their income is. Like the graph of 1/8 inch to 62 feet 6 inches but they expect the bottom 99% to pay the same amount of taxes.
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Death tax is another huge lie. When I have income, it is taxed. When someone dies that money is income to the heirs and should be taxed. When someone dies, they are dead, and can no longer own anything. The tax is levied on the income of the heirs
Most of those 66 million are on social security and at or below the poverty level so they don’t have to pay taxes on the money they paid taxes on how unfair is that?

Your Income is taxed if you make money on the stock market it is income and its taxed. This is a particularly stupid argument that I have argued a thousand times with contractors. This argument is like saying my employer paid taxes on the money he paid me so therefore I shouldn’t have to pay taxes. It is absolutely absurd. The company that you had stock paid taxes so your income shouldn’t be taxed is the same as saying your employer paid taxes and you shouldn’t pay taxes on it. Absurd. Income is taxable.
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When the Republicans take over that is what happens. Everything they touch turn to S***. My granddaughter was over last night she is in high school and I had no idea but many of the class rooms are without heat there are huge holes in the roof where the air conditioners have been removed to put a roof on. The school won’t let them bring blankets to school to stay warm. The school is relatively new it was built in 1996. That is what Republican administrations do but they will give $100s of million in tax cuts to ungodly greedy and the money will be taken from the schools.
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I started counting up the programs in America that were inspired by socialism and there are far more of them in American than capitalist program and in reality, America is far more socialist than capitalist in reality.
Capitalism is greed-based system that benefits only 1% of Americans.
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So, if you are conservative you should not consider a career in teaching. It seems that if that is the case there would be law suits
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You are right congress was an absolute mess during Clinton term. Republicans wasted billions of dollars trying to impeach Clinton and even with that going on the balanced the budget and presided over the longest economic expansions in history and had to drag the Republicans along by their feet.
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I do remember that crash I lost over $5,000 but is was nothing compared to the 2nd Great Depression which had much bigger losses than the first. So, what you are saying is that after the dot.com bubble Bush still went ahead and gave huge tax cuts to the ungodly greedy. Most people were shocked that Bush didn’t raise taxes to pay for the wars. They couldn’t have much effect, or he couldn’t give massive tax cut to the ungodly greedy.
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The Republicans got together the day Obama was inaugurated and decided they would block everything that Obama tried to do and there were a record number filibusters.
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Come on, they were indicted for conspiracy against the United States. They can trace Trump’s public call for Russia to commit espionage to it happening within hours. If Trump had called for Russia to bomb the United States and they did so within hours what would you think? It is the same thing.
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Anytime you have any questions all you need to do is run a search.
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That is what the Republicans said about Obamacare. Then they said they would repeal it. That didn’t happen. You didn’t refute it because it was a direct quote.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2019 10:33 am
@Zardoz,
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Hitler killed 7 million in WWII I guess that is the same thing also.

No, Communism killing 100,000,000 people would be closer to the same thing. Admit it, you have no argument.

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Antifa didn’t schedule a convention for hate mongers.

No they didn't, yet Antifa is a hate monger group in their own right, they brought the violence to a legal and permitted gathering.

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When the hate mongers go looking for fight, they are going to find one.

It was Antifa who was looking for the fight and started the violence. It's all they can do is start violence, they are the modern day equivalent of Brown Shirts.

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You still believe there are only to philosophies of government. Getting low information voters to believe that has resulted in America being $21 trillion in debt.

I believe that our form of govt is the best one, and I even joined the military to defend our way of life and form of govt.

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Illegals are subject to the very same laws we are, even in sanctuary cities.

The very fact they enacted sanctuary laws, proves they are not subject to the same laws we are, they created laws to protect illegal immigrants. What laws have they created to protect actual American citizens?

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When you did the search for emotional intelligence you should have returned several other studies. That study is only one of many.

I discredted you studies you published, not my job to find more studies to prove you right, that's you job. If you can't do it, then admit you were wrong and EQ isn't more important than IQ.

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We now know the Vikings were the first to arrive and no one dictated the immigration system at that time.

Still trying to prove a point you can't prove? In reality is was likely the Vikings that first brought all the sickness to the land that the Indians were not immune to.

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You think not all borderlines are created equal./quote]
No, state borders and not equal to national borders, you should have learned this in school and during your Civics lessons.

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A picture is as good as a thousand words, but a video is worth a million. [

Actually doing it is priceless and provides you with an experience the video and picture never could. I've crossed the border, you haven't, you pictures and video's are worthless compared to actual experience.
Would you argue with Neil Armstrong about how the surface of the Moon looked? Of course you would.

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The US is here alright but as the Indians gave way to white people the white people will give way to other races. Time does not stand still.

You really are a racist aren't you.

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If you can justify taking this land from the Indians, then you should not be surprised when somebody takes it from you. Hell, they might even be kind and put you on a reservation.

More nonsense, you really have no answers.

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The problem was that there were, way too many people trying to farm for a living.

History doesn't agree with your stance. I know my grandfather left home at the age of 12 to work on someone's else's farm because workers were hard to come by.

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The people moving to the cities would have made the situation better not worse.

Wrong again, farming back then was a very physical job and it required a lot of people to make it happen. Less people in the country meant less people to work the farms. Less people to work the farms and the food goes bad in the field.

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The better seeds and science would have made things far worse without introducing socialist solutions to our agriculture system that persist to this day.

Wrong again. It took science to get the farmers past their old ways of farming. The Dust Bowl had a major impact on farming and how farmers work their soil. Nothing socialist about it.

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I understand all too well, while you took the blue pill and believe in an illusion. Capitalism died years a go what you see is a ghost.

Nice Matrix reference. Capitalism is alive and well in the US. People are still staring business's that they own and control. You are ghost chasing socialism.

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The point is the ungodly greedy could not hold on to their vast wealth without the bottom 99% providing armies of policemen and a strong military to protect their vast wealth.

Sorry, but that's not how the system works. You want to pit everyone against the rich, it shows you never worked in private sector.

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Things are costed out when a bill is passed over what they will cost over 10 years.

CBO?

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When Trump signed that tax cut for the ungodly greedy everyone knew what the cost was going to be. Trump will still be saving millions in taxes 8 years from now. This cannot be blamed on the next president even though the deficit occurs on his watch.

I can tell I've proved you wrong again, you are avoiding the subject and dropped your stupidly high #'s. $1 trillion over 10 years is chump change for our govt.

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They are already finding the tax cuts are costing far more than projected.

Fact's links proof?

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They projected that businesses would use the tax cuts to expand but instead they used the money from the tax cuts to buy back their stock.

Facts proof links?

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Meaning the economic projections will be inaccurate. What can I say I often write from memory and after all the decimal point was just out by one place?

Proof facts links? No, you lied on purpose and tried to make the deal sound far worse, when reality, you were wrong and lying.

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That was a fact we were the biggest lender nation in the world but as soon as the conservatives took over, we became the biggest debtor nation. Conservatives? That is a misuse of the word.

Fact's proof links?

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I am very surprised that China had a national debt. The Chinese own $1.18 trillion of our national debt and Japan owns another $1.03 trillion. The Chinese could sell $1.18 trillion and pay a good deal of their debt off.

You continue to prove you actually know nothing about what you speak. Keep it up.

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America and Canada are both in North America and the only real difference is that Canada has Universal healthcare and America has a greed-based healthcare system.

Wrong again. We have a Constitution that guarantee's freedom and liberty. That includes Freedom of Speech, which Canada doesn't have. You can be arrested for calling someone the wrong gender. Canada is actually on the down hill slide and I don't know if they will recover.

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There is not a significant difference in life styles except Canada is much colder.

We are similar to each other but we are different cultures.

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You can try and make excuses but greedism is no better for healthcare than it was for agriculture. You must mean the use of maggots that is a medical advancement.

Who leads the world in medical advancements?

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It is very obvious that you believe that the increased lifespan has to do with race not a greed based medical system. That is racism.

I must think Japan is the superior race then. This coming from the guy who can't wait for "white men" to no longer be in power...

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This is 2019 -1972 =47 You are saying that the moon landing was 1972 that Obama was responsible because there was not one in 1973. That is ancient history. By the time Obama gets into office the conservatives had cut the taxes on the ungodly greedy five times. To have a space program is very expensive and if you are going to have one you must have the money and besides the conservatives think it should be private sector now, we will have space tours of 4 minutes sort of like expensive amusement park rides but hey that is capitalism. You get 4 minutes for $250,000

Do you make it a habit of twisting words around to fit what you think they say?

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The drug unit had a saying, the best way to eliminate drug dealers is to take their money and drugs. The stated conservative strategy was to bleed the government dry with tax cuts to point there would be no money to fund the programs space or other programs.

Obama did what exactly to keep out hold on the space race? He said we could ride into space on Russia's rockets. It was very proud of that.

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Believe the program was not all theory we also had a lab and we had to build different projects. Broadcast TV would be far more-high tech than a hard wire arrangement. That is much like a wired telephone to a cell phone. We had wired telephones in the early 1900 but cell phones took much longer to develop. The telephone wires and the cable wires preform the same basic functions

I guess you know nothing about the difference between analog and digital signals? You should have learned about signal freguences and how they travel over different mediums? I'll give you a hint, there wasn't enough signal bandwidth in the broadcast systems for advanced media transmission. Cable TV was the only medium that had the bandwidth. Broadcast TV tech didn't have the technology until the late 2000's when the analog to digital transfer took place.

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I did indeed follow the link and it was from the census and what do we know about the census? That it is admittedly wrong because of self-reporting and the many aliens that won’t respond.

So before you tried to claim it was a KKK site and now you cast doubt on the facts? You really are a weak mind.

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Manafort continued to work the campaign and called Trump ever day to advise him. Gates suppled even more information today abut Manafort.

Fact's proof links?

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“Conspiracy against the United States” that really says it all. That is what Trump will soon be charged with that is what the investigations is all about.

It's a conspiracy alrght, but not involving Trump. Many people involved with the investigation are going to be in trouble, how many of them were fired or stepped down?

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I know the CEO of the corner bar was not counted they are not counting mom and pop operations. I could incorporate tomorrow and declare myself CEO. The statement clearly says all CEOS and that came word per word from the article.

I point out your lie again, that number was for the S&P 400 CEO's...

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“Adelson, Who Donated over a $100 Million to Republicans and to the GOP is Watching Results” With Trump” In 2016 you have to count what the Russian Military spent to get Trump elected.
Source: US News

You still haven't proven anything accept that you are hung up on Russia. You keep missing the people who actually made money from Russia, like Hillary Clinton and the Podesta Group...

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They will keep stealing from the general population until the country collapses and when it collapses there will no longer be any protection from the marauding mobs.

This is exactly what happens in every single Socialist country while the US still keeps on doing better and better.

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An interesting graph shows that between 1970 and 2000 the wealth the bottom 99% increased $2,710 while the average wealth 100th of 1% increased by $20,382,482. When this is represented on a graph the bottom 99% increase is represented by a bar 1/8 in height while the top 100th of 1% bar is 62 feet 6 inches.

Fact's links proof? You say so much that isn't true.

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Everyone pays taxes.

Sales taxes.

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Even the homeless living on the street pay taxes when they buy something to eat or drink. The lie that only rich people pay tax in America is the biggest lie ever told.

Look at the Federal taxes, it tells you everything you don't want to hear, it's the reason you are trying to use sales taxes. You can bet the sales tax money paid by the homeless doesn't even provide for any meals they eat on the taxpayer dime.

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Do you not understand that those making over $200,000 pay 58% of the taxes but have 75% of the income meaning they by far are not paying their share anytime you see any figure from PEW it stinks to high heaven and they always lie with figures. They always try to deceive you with the low numbers of the wealthy but don’t ever tell you how big their income is. Like the graph of 1/8 inch to 62 feet 6 inches but they expect the bottom 99% to pay the same amount of taxes.

So you can't prove your point so instead you disparage the source. You keep showing your mental weakness.

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Death tax is another huge lie. When I have income, it is taxed. When someone dies that money is income to the heirs and should be taxed.

So money that was already taxed once should be taxed again? You just said before you didn't like double tax.

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When someone dies, they are dead, and can no longer own anything. The tax is levied on the income of the heirs

But the income was already taxed once, it isn't an income, it's an inheritance. No one sold anything to make that money, someone died, why should it be taxed? Because people like you are greedy, that's why.

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Your Income is taxed if you make money on the stock market it is income and its taxed.

The money I invested was already taxed though, it's why investment income is taxed differently than salaried income.

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This is a particularly stupid argument that I have argued a thousand times with contractors. This argument is like saying my employer paid taxes on the money he paid me so therefore I shouldn’t have to pay taxes. It is absolutely absurd. The company that you had stock paid taxes so your income shouldn’t be taxed is the same as saying your employer paid taxes and you shouldn’t pay taxes on it. Absurd. Income is taxable.


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I started counting up the programs in America that were inspired by socialism and there are far more of them in American than capitalist program and in reality, America is far more socialist than capitalist in reality.

Fact's proof links?

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So, if you are conservative you should not consider a career in teaching.

That seems to be the aim of the leftist's. They can't continue their campaign of brainwashing if their are conflicting views in the schools.

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It seems that if that is the case there would be law suits

I'm sure there have been lawsuits but proving it is difficult.

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You are right congress was an absolute mess during Clinton term. Republicans wasted billions of dollars trying to impeach Clinton and even with that going on the balanced the budget and presided over the longest economic expansions in history and had to drag the Republicans along by their feet.

That's not actually how it went down, old age and bias are coloring your memories. Clinton and Congress actually didn't do anything for the economy, the Internet was what did so well for the US in the late 90's.

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So, what you are saying is that after the dot.com bubble Bush still went ahead and gave huge tax cuts to the ungodly greedy. Most people were shocked that Bush didn’t raise taxes to pay for the wars. They couldn’t have much effect, or he couldn’t give massive tax cut to the ungodly greedy.

Yes, and it saved the economy until the DNC took the House and then didn't do anything to halt the economic crash, that Bush warned them was coming due to sub-prime mortages, which were a thing thanks to Bill Clinton.
https://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2008/12/dont_blame_bush_for_subprime_m.html

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The Republicans got together the day Obama was inaugurated and decided they would block everything that Obama tried to do and there were a record number filibusters.

No they didn't. It wasn't until after the 2010 elections and the GOP took the House back that they vowed to stop Obama and make him a one term President. When Obama took office, he was 1 short of a super majority in the Senate and had a majority in the House. The GOP had no real way of stopping Obama until 2010. Once again, I'll point out that political history isn't your strong point.

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Come on, they were indicted for conspiracy against the United States.

No they weren't, read the charges again. See what the MSM have you believing.

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They can trace Trump’s public call for Russia to commit espionage to it happening within hours.

No they can't, and he wasn't being serious. The FBI was talking about Hillary's "missing" emails, he said maybe Russia could find them. I laughed when I heard it. The left went crazy, not because Hillary was deleting emails and lying to the FBI, but because Trump made a joke about Russia finding what the FBI couldn't.

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Anytime you have any questions all you need to do is run a search.

Maybe you should just provide evidence to back your claims. Don't be lazy.

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That is what the Republicans said about Obamacare.

The ACA was intended to break our health insurance system so that the left could bring up socialized medicine. It had nothing to do with the people, the majority of the population didn't have any issues with their insurance and were happy to keep what they had. The only thing I got out of the ACA was double the cost on my insurance plan and some nice perks gone to pay for mandatory issues.

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Then they said they would repeal it. That didn’t happen.

It isn't like they didn't try. In fact the media was at one point keeping a running total on how many times the GOP tried to repeal the ACA. McCain ended up being everything the GOP thought he was in the end, a Dem.

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You didn’t refute it because it was a direct quote.

Looking at my post, I fail to see what you are talking about. What didn't I refute?
















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@Baldimo,
You seem to believe that professional killing machines are no more efficient than amateurs.
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Antifa plays an important role. In pre-world war II Germany, the population stood quietly by and watched the cancer grow to the point that the body politic could not be saved. The hate and physical violence practiced by the far right is done for a reason to intimidate the population and make the hate mongers look more powerful than what they are. If the out of town hate mongers come to town to bust heads and end up getting their rear ends kicked the illusion of being all powerful evaporates.
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The Nazis who went to Charlottesville came armed with the full intention of stating fights it is the politics of intimidation. When you want to strut around and act like a bad A** you will always find some one that is bigger and meaner than you are. Antifa knows that by standing up to hate mongers it destroys the illusion that the hate mongers are invincible. If you wait till the hate mongers are 100,000 strong instead of a hundred, they will be much harder to stop.
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Then you signed up to defend socialism. Think about it, social security is pure socialism, Medicare is socialism, Medicaid is socialist in nature, unemployment no doubt there, welfare no capitalist believes in welfare, our farming support system is a model socialist program, food stamps socialist, housing subsidies definitely socialist, prescription drug program is socialists it seems we are a capitalist country in name only, a CINO. What is left for capitalism a commercial market place? Businesses? Really, they are subsidized up to $500,000,000 by taxpayers. That is not capitalism. Capitalism is an illusion for those who don’t understand government. You have been living a lie.
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The criminal code for the most part is state and city. The laws against illegal immigration are federal laws and can only be enforced by federal officials. The feds are free to enforce the law and the immigrants are subject to that law. A state or city cannot pass a law that supercedes federal law.
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The emotional IQ studies have been around for years somewhere I have a book on the subject. But I think we have all worked with people who are extremely smart, but they could not get along with anyone. We had a guy in the engineer department that if you wanted to kill him you had to get at the end of a long line. His officemate fantasied about killing him for years. He did good work but could not adapt to different situations. One Christmas a number of employees received a fruit-baskets from a local landlord. The employ did not get one and insisted they had to be returned because they were over $25 max for gifts. All the fruit baskets were returned to the store and the employees picked them up after work. He just could not roll with the punches. Think about the people you worked with over the years and you will recognize the ones who lack emotional intelligence.
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Disease indeed played a part in killing the Indians off. As America gets immigrants from all over the world the same thing could happen to us, one bug, that we have no immunity to, could wipe out a good deal of the population.
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All borders are just borders, they are drawn in ink and can be erased just as easily.
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Memories fade while pictures retain their details. Most people think memory is as reliable as super 8 film but when tested they found memories change each time they are accessed. After a major event, such as, the Kennedy assassination, people were asked what they were doing at the time at 6-month intervals. The memories changed significantly. Armstrong’s memories would have eroded more than the rocks the picture would still be a true representation.
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Not racist the proper word would be realists this happens all over the world as one race controls a country for a while and then another takes over. Time marches on.
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I have answers just not ones you like.
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If you read the history of the farm movement during the Great Depression you will understand. My grandfather also worked as a carpenter but ran his farm in his spare time. Prior to the great depression farming was still a major segment of the economy. In 1953 23 million people lived on farms now only 3 million live on farms. In 1929 it was far more, and the population was much smaller it is easy to understand from that snap shot why there was so much over production.
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Over production was a fact you can’t change history it happened the farmers were going broke and the government had to say capitalism be damned it does not work for the farming sector. The farm support bills were passed, and the rest is history.
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Again, you have no clue, overproduction was the problem further increases in production follow the law of supply and demand the more crops the lower the price. The government had to take steps to control supply for the farmers to make a living.
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The dust bowl would have cut supply and everything that they did to improve farming would have made the oversupply problem even worse. If you tried to sell your Nissan and 500 other people were selling their Nissan at the same time the price would be lower because of the supply.
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It is high time people pulled their head out of the sand and looked around at the reality of our government and not the illusion. Obamacare that too is a socialistic solution after the greed-based healthcare system has priced the middle class out of it. When capitalism fails socialism takes over.
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The system works the way the voters say it works. Sorry I did work in the private sector for a few years before I started at the city. The rich have significantly lowed the middle class’ lifestyle for a few dollars more. It is like Warren Buffet said if this is class warfare, we are beating the hell out of them. It pays to know who the enemy is. It does no good to shoot the man standing next to you.
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CBO but they are not fortune tellers, so it is a guestimate. It is almost always overly optimistic, meaning the trillion could end up being 2 or 3 trillion.
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The Trump voters are finally getting the bad news as they do their tax returns. One had to pay an additional $4,000 this year on the same income. He posted on twitter he would never vote for Trump again. Can I say I told you so?
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I did get my decimal point wrong but one trillion is a lot of money to put that trillion in perspective the National debt in 1949 stood at $252 billion and it would have taken 42 years to pay off if Reagan hadn’t come along. Even in today’s dollars the debt in 1949 would only be $2.635 trillion. That was like taking on nearly half of the debt for a World war for a tax cut for the ungodly greedy. How long do you think it will take to pay off that one trillion? Oh, I forgot it will cost another trillion in next the decade.
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“Tax Cut is Better (for companies) and worse for (for Everyone Else)”
Source: Bloomberg
It looks like the real figure maybe $600,000,000,000 higher than expected.
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Same as above
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The above link will also cover this question. The only difference between 10 trillion and 1 trillion is the decimal point is moved one place. I really believed it was $10 trillion but you can’t fact check every figure. Memory is not as reliable as one might think, and it gets worse with age. Why lie about something that can be so easily checked? The mind cannot grasp how much money a trillion dollars is.
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“List of debtor nations by net international investment position per capita”
Source Wikipedia

“List of Creditor nations by net international investment per capita”
Same source
The nations are ranked by the percentage of GNP the nations above America in the list are smaller nations
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When you write this much you can’t possibly check every figure. Common sense would dictate that if China is purchasing a trillion dollars of our debt that they would be debt free. That would be like you being in debt and purchasing your neighbor’s debt.
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Addressing someone by the wrong gender? That would be a difficult call because I have seen some people that I could not determine their sex. I would think Canada was doing much better than we are since many of the new plants decided to build in Canada because the healthcare costs are so high in America. One car manufacturer was offered a $500 million package to build in America but decided to build in Canada instead. America can never rebuild its manufacturing base until healthcare is solved. Health insurance is a major cost to a business in America.
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You are right Canada has solved the healthcare problem.
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I didn’t know it was a race. Who are the judges?
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“None are so blind as those that refuse to see.” What did all the nations with longer life spans and better infant mortality rates have in common? Universal healthcare. I am sure but blaming poor infant mortality rating on lifestyle would be difficult.
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You can twist words, but you can’t twist facts.
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Do you have any idea what a mess baby Bush made of the country? We were in hours of every bank in America of collapsing. It took trillions to dig America out of the whole Bush mess. That didn’t leave much for space exploration.
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Analog and digital signals are electronics 101 everything from multi-meters to televisions. First you had a volt meter with needle that swings to one that has a digital read out. We all know how that worked out. One day your television worked and the next it didn’t while the old signal would travel for miles the new signal was amplitude modulated with line of sight transmission. Cable television was not necessary all you needed was antenna in TV was free now you have to be next door to the transmitter.
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I was surprised when I clicked on your link that it wasn’t from a KKK site. So many of your posts show their influence.
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There are several detailed articles about Manafort on line that trace him back 20 years.
“A Timeline of Paul Manafort’s Relationship with Donald Trump”
Source: Slate
That won’t answer all your questions, but it is a start.
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That is like saying after all of Al Capone top lieutenants are arrested that Capone had nothing to do with what his employees were up to.
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That was a direct quote from the article “All CEOs.
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The Russian attack is the most serious attack on the United States since 9/11 attack. We are not talking about making money we are talking about Trump publicly calling for foreign enemy to launch a cyber attack against the United States. Making money has nothing to do with it.
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Socialist countries have a much more egalitarian distribution of wealth but when Russia collapsed few people managed to get all the wealth in short order. If you measure by how rich the people are the Russian oligarchs caught up in a few years.
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That graph is from a book “Perfectly Legal: The Covert Campaign to Rig Our Tax System to benefit the Super Rich” by David Cay Johnson” If you read one book this year it should be this one.
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Income tax is only one tax among 200.
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What difference does it make what tax you pay are you prejudice? The ungodly greedy has tried to convince the public that there is only one tax and that is thee tax on excess wealth and those without excess wealth are the ones that should be paying it.
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If they are going to make the argument that they pay 58% of income tax than to know whether was fair or not, we have to know how much of the income they have. Don’t you think it a bit strange that they don’t supply the other figure? It looks like the actual figure is that those making over $200,000 are in the 92% percentile. So, they have 92% of the income and pay only 58% of the taxes. They owe 34% to be fair.
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Do you not understand it is your income that is taxed? It is sort of like water it has been through ten people before you get it, but each must pay for it. You can’t say the guy before me already paid for so I shouldn’t have to pay for it. All income comes from people that already paid taxes on it. Income tax has everything to do with your income and nothing to do with someone else’s
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It is income to you. You did not have it and then it was income. Inheritance is income and should be taxed. Inheritance tax is by far the most important tax in America because it breaks up the huge fortunes that would go on forever. Don’t you get it income tax is a tax on income. Without an inheritance tax America would be much closer to a revolution because of the distribution of wealth.
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Every businessman makes money by using the money that was already taxed. But his investment is not taxed but the money he makes off that investment is taxed. I have money in the bank that draw interest. The interest is income and taxable, but the principle was taxed before.
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Those programs are listed earlier in this post.
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I suspect conservative teachers would be as likely to teach from their view point as liberal teachers but somehow no one complains about them.
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If there have been law suits, I have not herd about it. Some teachers have been let go for offensive posts.
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The internet may have helped but now the economy is going great, but we are going a trillion dollars a year into debt. So, it looks like it was who was in charge. If the republicans had been in charge, they would have tripled the debt just like Reagan.
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The house has no enforcement power only the executives branch has executive powers. The second great depression happened for one reason and one reason only. The Republican scream about regulations and eliminate them every chance they get. Laws were put in place after the Great Depression to make sure it could never happen again. The Republicans could not wait to remove those regulations once they were removed the second great depression was assured. Your source looks like someone’s private blog. One Bush already went to jail over the saving and loan scandal, so baby knew. Once the regulations were gone the banks could take any bet and make it a financial instrument that was sold to other banks. The banks were fraudulently making loans. They made up applications by telling prospective buyers what to right down. The banks making the loans could care less if the people could pay the loan because they sold the loans to other banks who bundled them and sold them to others. No regs no oversight and the criminals ran rampant.
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Even the Republicans bragged about the meeting and that is exactly what they did. The minority rules as long as they can filibuster it takes 60 votes to pass any bill in congress. They can stop the bill from even reaching the floor. They vowed to stop him on day one and that is what they did. The minority can use the filibuster to stop anything.
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I took those directly from your post It was a conspiracy against the United States and Trump is guilty of exactly that by calling for Russian cyberattack to help him get elected.
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Trump was extremely serious I have watched that several times and he was very serious and so were the Russians. Once Trump invited them in, and they went to town. How did you think they were going to find the e-mails? There was only one-way cyberattacks and break ins. Trump committed treason plain and simple. All the lies Trump told are coming back to haunt him. Do you ever delete emails? Every secretary of state before used a private server but you will never hear the Republicans say a thing about them. If Hillary had lied, she would be in jail with all the Republicans who are going to jail for lying.
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I think you should be better informed and at least know what is common knowledge.
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The ACA was originally intended to replace the health insurance and the Republicans blocked it there was going to be a public option. You have no idea at all about what is causing the healthcare system and 80% is now well over $20 thousands. Many people barely make $20 thousand. That means they cannot afford health insurance. When they get sick or injured, they still go to the hospital. They can’t pay the bill and when enough can’t pay the bill the hospital goes out of business. The cost of the medical care that those without insurance can’t pay is passed along to those can pay. Insurance goes up and more people can’t afford it and the cycle is unending until the system completely collapses.
Our insurance system is designed to insure healthy people. Most health insurance is provided by employers once you get sick and can’t work your health insurance is gone. Happy? That is a lie. The middle class can no longer afford to buy health insurance. The increase in health insurance cost resulted in much lower wages. If it doubled the cost, then you had an insurance policy in name only. They restricted the sale junk insurance policies where you owed $50,000 after the insurance “paid.”
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The ungodly greedy spent billions to kill Obamacare but in the end the public realized some health insurance beats the hell out of no health insurance. The public would not tolerate taking the health insurance away from millions.
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You got me.


Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2019 09:52 pm
It is hard to believe that people are already running for president in 2020. The last election seems like it just ended. What Trump’s election did was let people realize if Trump could be president anyone can be president. During the 2016 primary one of the other employees was supporting Bernie Sanders and I thought there is no way that Sanders could possibly get elected because he referred to himself as a socialist. Our political opinions usually coincided but not on this. I knew Sander’s political ideas were closer to my own, but I didn’t think he could get elected. On Meet the Press Daily the other day one of the Congressmen said Sanders carried every county in WV. I don’t remember it that way, but he did win the state primary. If he won, it was probably people voting against Hillary not for him.

The mention of the word socialism was enough to generate angry responses and clear the room. But on Meet the Press Daily the host noted an important difference that the meaning of the word socialism was different to different generations the younger generations don’t attach a negative connotation to word socialism at all. The word has been used to scare the older generations for years. Trump launched a campaign against “socialism” in his state of the union address and no doubt will run on it if he isn’t hung for treason.

But we must come to terms with the actual facts that many of our government programs are socialist in nature such as, social security, unemployment, Medicare, Obamacare, Medicaid, public housing, food stamps, prescription drug program, and are farm support programs. In fact, more of our government programs spring from socialism than from capitalism. Let the scare tactics begin it will work on Trump’s base, those under educated voters will believe anything.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Sun 10 Feb, 2019 09:37 pm
After Trump bankrupted 5 businesses no bank in America would loan him money. Suddenly Trump was flush with cash. The Deutsche Bank in Germany begin loaning Trump money at the time the bank was laundering $10 billion that was being stolen in Russia. Deutsche Bank has been convicted and fined $41 million in the Russian money laundering scheme. Trump has said that if Muller investigate his dealings with the Deutsche bank, he would be crossing a red line. Muller’s office told Trump’s attorneys that he was not seeking the records of Trump’s accounts or loans, but the House Intelligence Committee has decided those records are vital to prove that Trump was laundering money.

There are questions as to why Muller decided not to after some of the most damning evidence. The Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Adam B Schiff, believes that Muller may have been ordered to stay away from those records by the Assistant Attorney General or someone else at the Justice Department. We all know Trump is America’s greatest liar but when these records are examined it may make Trump the world’s greatest liar.

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