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The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

 
 
Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jan, 2019 10:12 pm
Trump offered a compromise today he only wants 5.7 billion to waste on the wall and that is exactly what he had been holding out for. He offered a temporary reprieve for the Dreamers but not a solution. The offer comes after the supreme court declined to hear Trumps case against Obama’s law era law. Trump over turned Obama’s law on dreamers only to see the courts overrule him. DACA is something Trump took away and now is offering to give back. That would be like negotiating a contract and management cuts wages by $10 an hour and then offers to settle by giving back the $10 they took. Without the supreme court overruling the lower courts DACA Trumps offer amounts to nothing.

One of the things the internet can do is drive a news story into the main stream media. The main stream media has pretty much ignored Trump’s importing Mexicans to staff his businesses. Ever time this creep opens his mouth about the wall the media should point out the number of Mexicans working in Trump’s businesses. It is high time the people know how many Mexicans are working for Trump. Maybe Trump can call his Best Friend Putin for advice.

Ronald Reagan said, “Tear this wall down” and the world rejoiced then Trump said, build the wall and the Neo-Nazis and KKK rejoiced.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2019 10:26 pm
Much was made of the Buzz Feed article and Muller’s office later statement that portions of it were inaccurate. Buzz Feed’s article stated that Trump had Cohen lie about the deal Trump was working in Moscow and about the whores Trump was paying off. Who benefited by Cohen lying to congress? Trump is the only one who benefits from the lies. Cohen can only benefit if Trump pays him to lie. Trump had been trying to strike a deal with the communists for 26 years now and he was very close to a deal but there was a hitch the money was to come from two Russian banks that had been sanctioned by Obama before the deal was finalized. Trumps answer to a question posed by a Russian agent at an NRA meeting was that he would do away with the sanctions on Russia when he was elected. In the court testimony Cohen said he lied out of loyalty to Trump. Common sense will tell you that Trump was responsible for Cohen’s lies some of the details of the Buzz Feed article may not be correct but the main part of it is right.

The lie was that the negotiations to build Trump tower in Moscow stopped in January of 2016 before Trump wins the Republican primary, but it seems that the negotiation went on at least to June of 2016 when Trump is the presumptive Republican candidate. But today Trump’s lawyer, Rudolph Giuliani, went on national television and stated the negotiation with a Russia continued to November of 2016 or later. Trump now admits negotiations went up until the day he won the election. It seems Trump and his attorneys have learned something lying is not helping their case. They turned over a new leaf and they are going to tell the truth on things that can be checked.

Trump bankrupted several businesses and he was for all practical purposes bankrupt a short time later Trump starts buying up golf courses with cash. His friends were astounded that he could come up with so much cash. When his son law, Jared Kushner, was asked where all the cash came from, he replied Russia.

When a clip of Cohen was shown on television after the Buzz Feed article was released, he looked like he had been hit by a truck with his arm in a sling. That is the same day Trump threatened his family on twitter. “Watch Father-in-law. Cohen grew up in the center of the Russian Mafia in Brighton Beach. One of his close friends was Felix Sater a major player in the Russian Mafia. I would not be surprised if Cohen is found dead before he can testify in front of congress.

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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2019 11:31 am
@Zardoz,
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There is not a single case of 58 people being killed and 800 injured using a car.

This is how blind and anti-gun you are, I can easily point out a case with a higher death toll and a truck was used, Nice France, 87 dead and 434 injured. Not a single case?

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Killing people is not the design purpose of a car but killing people but assault weapons were designed to kill high numbers of people.

In reality, those guns were not designed to kill high numbers of people, you won't find a military engagement where 1 person killed 58 people either. That high rate of fire is actually meant as "covering fire" to keep the enemy head down to soldiers can move around the battle field and hopefully not get shot in the process.

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I will agree that everybody needs to be counted. But if the immigrants are afraid that the information will be used to deport them, they will avoid being counted.

I don't think the info will be used to deport them, but we can use the data to properly assign our Reps in Congress and make sure we use our tax money to help US citizens first. Area's with high populations of illegal immigrants should not get money for the illegals, the money should be used to help US citizens first, it doesn't matter what their color, US citizens come first.

I'm going to avoid any parts with the Nazi talk, you are projecting and I don't want to make you look bad by pointing out that our country would be very Nazi like if your ideals were put into place, Socialism with a health dose of Fascism.

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For tears the Republican party has tried to scare the public that there would be no social security and my daughter’s generation believes every word of it.

SS is not keeping up with the level of payouts it did 20 or 40 years ago. The # of people paying into the system is less than ever and in a few more years, it will be less than 2 people paying into for 1 person drawing out of SS, it simply isn't sustainable at it's current configuration.

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But social security is surviving because of those 10 million illegal immigrants who are paying social security on false social security numbers.

This simply isn't true as all 10 million are not of working age. In fact if they are collecting any form of social welfare programs, then they are not going to pay more into a system they are drawing from.
ID theft is what you are talking about, taking SS numbers for US citizens and using them as their own. How do you think we get a majority of the people in immigration raids? We track the fake ID use...

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Because of 50 years of Republican tax cuts for the middle class can no longer afford a college education for their children.

Wrong again.

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Tuition has gone up thousands of times to cover the lost tax dollars.

Tuition has nothing to do with tax dollars. Tuition has gone up because of "guaranteed" payments from the govt. Why worry about costs or keeping something affordable when you know the govt is going to pay what you ask? The only greedy people responsible for the high college tuition, is the people who run the colleges. Those people are mostly left-wing liberals.

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We have a thriving advertising sector because publicity works and the fact that illegal immigration went up as soon as Trump starting raving about it is very consistent with mega advertising that Trump has been doing.

Blaming the increase of illegal immigration on Trump is hilarious, it's the left who advertises illegal immigration as "come one, come all". States like CA who promise to protect illegal immigrants at the cost of US citizens, have driven illegal immigration. "Make it to CA and stay for life, even if you are a criminal, we will protect you from the Federal govt."

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All you have to do is see how the racist southern states voted in the Presidential election since the middle 60s. After David Dukes’ endorsement he delivered the racist south for Trump. You did not hear one Democrat saying that The KKK and the Neo-Nazis were fine people just the Republicans. Who was president when the Civil Rights Acts was signed into law?

You have twisted this around so badly you can't even tell the truth. Dixiecrat's were and are a myth. The voting record for the Civil Rights Act says it all:
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After reading Shelby Steele's excellent Dec. 18 essay "American Conservatism: Of Race and Imagination" we felt compelled to respond to the popular misconception that "conservatism, for all its commitment to freedom, did not make itself the principled enemy of racism during the civil-rights era." With a little research, the actual voting record for both Houses of Congress shows that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed the Senate on a 73-to-27 vote. The Democratic supermajority in the Senate split their vote 46 (69%) for and 21 (31%) against. The Republicans, on the other hand, split their vote 27 for (82%) and 6 against (18%). Thus, the no vote consisted of 78% Democrats. Further, the infamous 74-day filibuster was led by the Southern Democrats, who overwhelmingly voted against the act.

An examination of the House vote shows a similar pattern. The House voted 290 to 130 in favor. Democrats split their vote 152 (61%) to 96 (39%) while Republicans split theirs 138 (80%) to 34 (20%). The no vote consisted of 74% Democrats. Clearly, the 1964 Civil Rights Act could not have been passed without the leadership of Republicans such as Everett Dirksen and the votes of Republicans. As the online Wall Street Journal so aptly subtitled Mr. Steele's article, "Trent Lott jeopardizes the very productive ideas his party stands for."

Clark L. Maxam
MaryCarol B. Maxam
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Not to worry Trump has freed a lot of prisoners so the crime rate will go way up. People who commit crimes will continue to commit crimes.

Freed a lot of prisoners? Do you mean he signed a law on Criminal Justice Reform, and you see this as a bad thing? From what I can tell, the reform should be a good thing for minorities who find themselves getting the short end of the stick. Why am I not surprised you find this a bad thing.

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Citizenship would only go to those born on American soil.

Citizenship should only be for those who have at least 1 parent who is a US citizen. The 14th Amendment is pretty clear where it states people who are under the jurisdiction of another country, foreigners, can not attain birthright citizenship. I hope this makes it to the SCOTUS, and they can rule on it. The purpose of the 14th Amendment was to grant and guarantee that freed slaves were seen as US citizens, it's been abused since that time.

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You simply have to do the math Trump hires 70 seasonal workers from Mexico each year for Mara Largo alone. That has been going on for several years. We know he is hiring illegals with forged papers at his New Jersey golf course also. With 500 businesses he must employ most of those 20 million illegals at his businesses.

Sorry the math doesn't add up, it's rhetoric and nothing more. Besides, the seasonal workers his business's hires, are here legally, work visa's. They only become illegal when they over stay their visa, I suppose he could hold them captive and make sure they leave the country when their time is up, except that is against the law. Maybe the Federal govt should be rounding up those who over stay their visa's and other temp immigration status's.

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Those that went to Vietnam went willingly to slaughter. Those with courage remained in America and put a stop to the war and saved both American and Vietnamese lives.

Since you are a Communists at heart, I'm not surprised you saw no issue with the expansion of Communism into Southeast Asia. The real slaughter of the Vietnamese people came when the North fully invaded. Millions died, but that is par the course for Communism.

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Vietnam was an occupied country like America was once occupied by the English. Is America better off now or do you think we would be better off if we were still occupied?

You were just talking about "sheep doing what their told" and yet you think Communism was better for the Vietnamese people than freedom to make their own choices.

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The easiest thing to do is follow the stampede. You just go with the flow. You don’t have to think whether what your doing is right or wrong. You just do what your told.

I like how you explain Communism.

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I don’t know where you got your information but mine comes from Trump biography which is far more detailed than anything you will find on line. When Trump’s grandfather goes back to Germany and tries to get back in is when he marries his wife. In Europe wars were common. I will get my copy of Trump’s biography and fill in the details.

Fact's, proof, links?

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We are not worried about the gun owners that are not shooting anyone it is those who are murdering 58 people at a time that is the problem.

That has happened 1 time, yet you make it seem like it is a weekly issue. We normally don't advocate our Rights because of a single incident.

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If the guns are in the house the children will get their hands on them sooner or later.

I have kids and guns, my kids are now 21 and 18. No issues with the kids as long as you teach them to handle and respect the weapons properly. It's all in the training.

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Again, why would anyone have assault weapons in the first place and even if you had them why in the world would you loan them to someone?

I would never loan my guns out, that's a foolish thing to do. If my guns are going somewhere, so am I. As for having them, it's up to the owner on why they bought them. As some polls show, a majority of people bought them for personal/home defense. Not sure what weapon was used, but an AR-15 would be able to keep 4 men with guns from doing a home invasion on your house:
https://www.khou.com/article/news/crime/3-suspects-dead-another-injured-after-homeowner-opens-fire-during-east-houston-break-in/285-29b21dcb-0f08-43bb-8d1e-6bd7d8b559e2


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Why in the world would they use air rifles? The basic skill they need to learn is how to shoot. I can’t believe they did not have access to real guns even if they belonged to the instructor.

Air rifles work just fine for learning the basic's of shooting, this is a change from the .22 LR we used when I was part of my military schools rifle team. Basic rifle marksmanship is the same regardless of what the weapon is, the basic's never change. Site image, breathing and trigger squeeze remain the same from rifle to handgun to shotgun.

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Do you have a television? Or maybe you never watch a news program. That would be consistent with someone who voted for Trump. They are called low information voters.

Since you don't pay attention, I'll say this again for you. I didn't vote for Trump. I do have a TV, but I only watch the local news in the morning. The media hasn't been doing a good job lately of telling the news. The event with the high school kid and the Indian guy is a perfect example, the MSM got this so wrong it hurts. Lets also not forget that BS Buzzfeed story from Friday that they have all had to walk back.

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You evidently didn’t get the full report from your article. There were three polls that he paid Red Finch to fix and if he paid to fix those he paid for others. That is just the ones we know about now. When you cheat to win you continue to cheat.

Wrong again.

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The reason we have never done it by popular vote is because the popular vote and the Electoral usually agreed until the more sophisticated targeting of political propaganda made it a joke that no longer represents the will of the people.

The reason we haven't done it by the popular vote is because the Constitution says nothing about the popular vote. The Constitution specifically mentions the EC as the way in which the President would be elected. Our election system represents the states, not the individual at the federal level. We directly elect our Senators and Congress people, we vote for nothing at the Federal level, we are a Constitutional Representative Republic. Good luck getting the 2/3 needed to amend the Constitution.

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When the AR-15 was designed it was so far superior to anything the military had ever seen they asked the company to make a version of the AR-15 for the military that would be designated M-16.

If you were being honest, you would know that the military didn't really want the AR-15, it was the politicians who wanted it. The light weight bullet made using the round in a jungle environment difficult, not to mention the jamming issues the weapon had until it was fixed with the forward assist. Your knowledge on the weapon is several lacking.

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Society could not exist without limits on rights.

Ridiculous, there are only limits on Rights so that the federal govt can control them. That was never the intention of the FF, they were for Liberty and Freedom, not protecting us from our self's. To say there should be limits on Rights, shows how little value you place on freedom and liberty.

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Rights were granted they did not fall from the sky. It says, “you have the right to bear arms.” If this came from aliens it would not need to be written down.

Rights are not granted by the govt, they are natural rights. You need to read the documents that founded this country, not some left-wing rewrite of history. It says you have the right, it doesn't say "we grant you the right"...

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The constitution says you have the right to the pursuit of happiness.

Your stupidity is showing again, what you quote comes from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, nice try.

You don't have the faintest idea of what The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution or the Bill of Rights do for us do you? You are indeed an extremest with no clue. The Constitution lays out the limited powers of the Federal Govt, not the restrictions placed on the citizens.

The first 10 amendments to the Constitution make up the Bill of Rights. James Madison wrote the amendments, which list specific prohibitions on governmental power, in response to calls from several states for greater constitutional protection for individual liberties.






Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jan, 2019 01:13 am
@Baldimo,
That was a truck not a car. A heavy truck can kill far more people because of the weight of the truck and its ground clearance. A few bodies wedged under a car is enough to stop it. A tank could kill far more but neither a truck or a tank is car.

“March 3, 2006 Mohammed Taheri-azar, an Iranian-American, drives an SUV into an area crowded with students at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Nine people sustained minor injuries during the attack which Tehari-azar later says is retribution for the killings of Muslims overseas He is convicted of attempted murder in 2008 and sentenced to 33 years in prison.”

If Taheri-azar had an AR-15 there would have been a bunch of dead students.
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The AR-15 was designed for the purpose of killing people. If there is cover fire it is so someone can get into position to kill the enemy. The objective in all the war in history is to kill the enemy. Guns were specifically designed to efficiently kill as many people as possible.
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The rabid right is fighting amnesty with every bone in their body. Trump isn’t offering citizenship to the dreamers only a temporary 3-year reprieve and the red neck right is raving about it on Fox News. If you were a teacher in Los Angles and your family has been American citizens for 200 years. You are being underpaid because the census far underestimated the school district’s population because the undocumented aliens were not counted. Should those teachers be paid equally with those in other school districts?

The Neo-Nazis and the KKK insist that illegals aliens are criminals that have not been arrested. If you robbed a bank would you send your address to the sheriff’s office? The Neo-Nazis and the KKK can smell political power and we already have a David Duke in the White House. If I was an illegal alien, I would not answer that question.
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They knew this problem was coming for 40 years and that was the grounds Reagan used to raise social security taxes five times and raise the age of retirement 3 years. Social security was not designed to ever have a trust fund. Social security taxes would be adjusted to pay the social security of those retired. Now the Republicans are insisting the Trust Fund the baby boomers paid should be used to pay the social security of those retiring 2080. Social security has had to be adjusted several times in past and one single change is to make the rich pay social security on all of their income instead of a tiny fraction of their income. Some of the rich pay social security tax only on 0.000025% of their income while someone making minimum wage pays 7.2% of their income in social security tax.
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I have busted a number of illegal aliens and I can tell you one thing everyone of the had a social security card and they were paying social security. Even Trump’s illegal maids had a social security cards. You can’t work in this country for a legitimate employer without a social security card. Social security cards are easy to forge. You go to the grave yard find someone that was born around when you were that died as a child. I had a job going on at new student apartment complex. I checked several men for a contractor’s license. None of the men spoke English and when asked were they working for this contractor or that they would nod in the affirmative. Next day I took a co-worker back and we stopped one of them leaving the site. When we questioned him the only word we could understand was Kroger’s. When we ran his ID, it came back that social security number belonged to a dead person in California. The Police department came and marched out over twenty illegal aliens with their hands over their head like prisoners of war. All of illegals had forged identification and forged social security cards. Baby Bush was president and immigration and naturalization refused to come and get them. First, they said their van was broke down. Their next excuse was that they could not come onto a job site. Eventually they did pick up most of the illegals. After we were told that we were not to profile illegals instead if there were 100 people on a job site, we were to copy all of their ID and mail the them to immigration and naturalization and they would decide whether or not to do anything.

I have never heard of social security department complaining about the billions of social security taxes being paid by illegals.
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You tell me you have children can you come up with $300,000 a piece to pay for their college education. Do you want your kids to be in debt for life? I paid for my college educations mowing laws. What changed one unjustified tax cut after another, and college tuition was raised every year to the tax cuts for the ungodly greedy.
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Educating the next generation is the most important thing this country to do. We are now falling behind even third world countries in educating engineers and other needed professionals. Most of America’s colleges are public schools paid for with tax dollars. If you cut taxes the state budget must be cut and those usually the legislatures cut funding to colleges. The theory being that tuition can always be raised to offset the billion in tax cuts to the rich. After all it is not like the students are going to pay cash what is another $100,000 in debt anyway, they should have it paid by the time they are 70.
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The cold hard fact is border crossing had been going down for 10 years. They only start going up when Trump starts stirring the pot. You are in Honduras and everyday you read how Trump says thousands of illegals are crossing the border each day if they are getting in you might as well go too. If they rid California of all the illegal aliens the crops would rot in the fields as no one in California would work for what it paid.
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The KKK and the Sheriff department in Mississippi were so angry the National Guard had to be called to get black children into white schools. When Reagan launched his bid for president where the civil rights works were killed by the sheriff department. Regan was pushing “state rights” in other words if you want to lynch black men in your state by god you have a right to do that without interference by the Feds. That was the code word “state’s rights.” That sounds a whole lot like your argument on AR-15s.
It only takes 51 in the senate to pass and the democrats needed only 5 republican votes to pass it. Did you read the last sentence in the first paragraph? The southern democrats became conservative republicans.
Alabama had voted democratic in every election from 1876 thru 1960 with the only three exceptions but suddenly that all changes between 1964 and 2016 Alabama votes republican in all but two Presidential elections.
Mississippi voted democratic in all but 5 presidential elections from 1876 thru 1960, but in 1964 something happened, and Mississippi voted democratic one time between 1964 and 2016.

I listed only two states, but the pattern holds for the rest of the old south.
1964 was the start of the great racist migration from the democratic party to the republican party.

Did your source graduate from David Duke University? He knows nothing about American History and didn’t understand that.

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The republicans campaigned on law order and raised all the jail sentences and now suddenly Trump reverses course. Trump kicked lose a woman who ran a multi-million-dollar drug ring because one of the Kardashians wanted her out. You can bet she is back in business. I think the sentence should be the same whether your selling crack or cocaine since both are cocaine.
It is a way of life for most people that commit crimes. I had a policeman tell me that when they arrest someone, they would laugh at them for working for living. He said they had only a one in ten chance of getting caught. One in four would have their case dropped before trial. Of those who went trial only 80% would be convicted of those another 2 would get home confinement and others only probation. If you were committing crimes, you only had a one in a hundred chance of doing time. Considered good odds by most criminals.
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You mean you think the 14th Amendment can be limited unlike the second.
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When you have 500 businesses the number is reasonable. Why wouldn’t Trump pay a decent wage and hire Americans in the first place?

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What we do know is that hind sight is 20/20 and the domino theory was just that a theory. Communism collapsed under its own weight with out feeding it another 58,000 Americans to slaughter.
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Again, hind sight is 20/20 and we know the Vietnamese are 100 times better off than under the French. They would have all starved to death and nobody would have cared. Ho Chi Minh tried to deal with America first before he approached the communists
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It is always easier to follow along in the stampede than it is to think for yourself. It is always easier to let someone else do your thinking for you.
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It is way too late tonight to go thru the library.
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There have been many incidents and mass murders have become so common that many think they are the norm. Weekly? Mass shooting are closer to daily.
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When you have 4 men going into rob a house that is usually a drug house and they are looking for drugs. Four armed men are not looking to take your TV. There is more to that story that hasn’t come out yet.
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That still tells me where cruise becomes fascinated with guns and killing.
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Who stood to gain from lying about the Russian deal? It wasn’t Cohen. Cohen could only go to jail. Trump lied about the Russian deal all along. I think Muller is trying to keep Cohen alive long enough to testify. Cohen’s friends in the Russian Mafia are upset and they settle scores with guns.
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If Trump would fix one poll do you think he would hesitate to fix others? Meet the Press Daily had one of Cohen’s lawyers on who did a good job detailing what went on. Including how the pay offs were made and how they swindled the college professor out of most of the money.
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When the constitution was written only men could vote and senators were appointed instead of elected. Things change.
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Its much easier to use an AR-15 than drag around a 50-caliber machine gun.
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And you were just hoping that the Supreme Court was going to limit an amendment.
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The natural right argument is just bogus. If it is not in writing it doesn’t exist.
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Do you believe that you do not have a right to pursue happiness? In the Declaration of Independence, the founding Fathers clearly asserted that as a right in that document. It is in writing.



oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jan, 2019 07:08 am
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
The natural right argument is just bogus. If it is not in writing it doesn’t exist.
Natural rights are written down. So they are in writing.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jan, 2019 12:15 pm
@Zardoz,
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That was a truck not a car.

It doesn't matter, the fact remains that someone can kill just as many people with a vehicle as they can with a gun.

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The rabid right is fighting amnesty with every bone in their body.

If you entered the country illegally at a young age, the best they should hope for is permanent resident status, not citizenship. You don't reward bad behavior, that only encourages more bad behavior.

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If you were a teacher in Los Angles and your family has been American citizens for 200 years. You are being underpaid because the census far underestimated the school district’s population because the undocumented aliens were not counted. Should those teachers be paid equally with those in other school districts?

Not sure what line of BS you are trying to push here, seems like some sort of intersectionalism. Union, citizenship, census, immigration... mishmash of words. Buzz words at best.

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Social security was not designed to ever have a trust fund. Social security taxes would be adjusted to pay the social security of those retired.

SS is an experiment that is past it's prime and doesn't fit into our modern day economy. It should be either drastically reworked or scraped and replaced with a different system.

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I have busted a number of illegal aliens and I can tell you one thing everyone of the had a social security card and they were paying social security.

I'm just going to call this a lie. You had no police enforcement powers, you were a building inspector with a ticket book. Stop telling stories.

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You tell me you have children can you come up with $300,000 a piece to pay for their college education.

Unless you plan on sending your kids to Harvard, the average state college costs between $15k and $25 a year depending on if you live in the state you are going to, instate vs out of state. 300k is Ivy League prices, not CU Boulder or UW Madison school prices. I have a step daughter who graduated from UW Madison in 2016, it didn't cost 300K. My youngest is currently going to a community college to get the first couple of years of pre-req's out of the way at a much cheaper cost, he will then transfer to a better school to get his actual degree.

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What changed one unjustified tax cut after another, and college tuition was raised every year to the tax cuts for the ungodly greedy.

Tax cuts have nothing to do with college or university tuition prices, zero, they are unrelated.

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Educating the next generation is the most important thing this country to do.

I agree, that's why I vote for tax increases for schools as long as the school district can tell us where the money is going to be spent. If the majority of the money looks like it is going to fix the teachers union retirement fund, I vote against it.

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We are now falling behind even third world countries in educating engineers and other needed professionals.

I'll agree with that, but it's mostly because the students are choosing to study different fields, like Sociology. It's one of the key reasons I don't support free education, kids will waste it on worthless degree's when we need STEM in a bad way. I'd only support such idea's if the money was limited to real STEM fields.

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Most of America’s colleges are public schools paid for with tax dollars.

Yet they run these schools like a bad business. No accountability for the choices they make or the money they spend, yet we have to continue to pump money into that system with little accounting for results.

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If you cut taxes the state budget must be cut and those usually the legislatures cut funding to colleges. The theory being that tuition can always be raised to offset the billion in tax cuts to the rich. After all it is not like the students are going to pay cash what is another $100,000 in debt anyway, they should have it paid by the time they are 70.

I'm ok with kids paying for their 16th Century Literature degrees.

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The cold hard fact is border crossing had been going down for 10 years.

I'll have to disagree with what you are saying, I don't think they were going down at all, in fact I think they were higher and the Border Patrol was ham stringed from doing their jobs properly. I think they rigged the numbers and lied to the American people. Obama and his ilk are pro illegal immigration and encouraged it every chance they got. How many states and cities declared themselves sanctuary for illegal immigrants, to come and be protected? This is what has driven the massive illegal immigration problem.

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They only start going up when Trump starts stirring the pot. You are in Honduras and everyday you read how Trump says thousands of illegals are crossing the border each day if they are getting in you might as well go too.

Wrong again, Trump declared it was happening and said he was going to shut it down. If they see that as an invitation to come up and cross, that is their problem, it is still breaking the law and they should be deported.

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If they rid California of all the illegal aliens the crops would rot in the fields as no one in California would work for what it paid.

Technology should be able to do the work without much problem. There are already crop picking machines, we stopped using human labor to pick corn and other such crops long ago, why are the CA farmers still using humans?

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The KKK and the Sheriff department in Mississippi were so angry the National Guard had to be called to get black children into white schools. When Reagan launched his bid for president where the civil rights works were killed by the sheriff department.

Sorry, Reagan wasn't a racist and I'm not going to entertain your racist fantasies.

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The republicans campaigned on law order and raised all the jail sentences and now suddenly Trump reverses course.

Slow down dude. The GOP and the DNC both did this. Or have you already forgotten about Clinton and the "Super predators"? Lets be honest, crime was out of control in the 80's and into the mid 90's. 3 strike laws were developed in the 90's when Clinton was President, I was living in CA when they were passed there in the 90's.
As for Trump reversing course, that is good policy. With MJ becoming legal in many states, mine stated the trend, it's about time people stopped going to jail for petty pot laws. I thought prison/sentencing reform was a good thing?

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You mean you think the 14th Amendment can be limited unlike the second.

It isn't limiting the 14th Amendment, it's taking for it's purpose and how it's written. Unlike the 2nd Amendment which has been ruled on,the SCOUTS hasn't ruled on people from foreign countries getting birthright citizenship on US soil under the 14th Amendment.

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When you have 500 businesses the number is reasonable. Why wouldn’t Trump pay a decent wage and hire Americans in the first place?

Well, that's on you to prove. I would point out that not all 500 businesses are in the hotel industry. Besides, worker Visa's is not illegal immigration. Would I prefer that he hire US citizens for those jobs? Yes I would, but we can't really do anything about it except stop worker Visa's or limit them to specific area's of the economy. The company I work for has several work Visa people, they are software engineers from either India or Pakistan, oh and one guy from the UK.

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What we do know is that hind sight is 20/20 and the domino theory was just that a theory. Communism collapsed under its own weight with out feeding it another 58,000 Americans to slaughter.

It isn't 20/20, it was a prediction that came true. Communism has failed everywhere it has been tried, yet people like you want to keep trying, 100 million dead isn't enough.

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Again, hind sight is 20/20 and we know the Vietnamese are 100 times better off than under the French. They would have all starved to death and nobody would have cared. Ho Chi Minh tried to deal with America first before he approached the communists

Once again, not hindsight, the West knew how it would turn out and tried to prevent the decades of loss that took place under communism. Let's keep trying though, no one has done it properly yet...

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It is always easier to follow along in the stampede than it is to think for yourself. It is always easier to let someone else do your thinking for you.

Says the guy who supports a centralized socialist govt...

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It is way too late tonight to go thru the library.

Just about anything you can find in a library, you can find it online. The internet is a wonderful source of information.

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There have been many incidents and mass murders have become so common that many think they are the norm. Weekly? Mass shooting are closer to daily.

Not even close.

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When you have 4 men going into rob a house that is usually a drug house and they are looking for drugs. Four armed men are not looking to take your TV. There is more to that story that hasn’t come out yet.

I'll disagree and say they think there is a lot of money in the house, but not always drug related. People own their own business's and if the local thugs think you keep money in the house, they will try to take it. I doubt there is more to this story, the bad intent is in your head.

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That still tells me where cruise becomes fascinated with guns and killing.

People are naturally twisted, objects have no bearing on how people react. Either someone is going to be twisted or they aren't. Lets be thankful the majority of gun owners are sane and rational people. With the number of guns in the US, it would be a blood bath. Did you see the latest crime report? You aren't going to like it, you also won't find the MSM reporting on it, it destroys their anti-gun propaganda.
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/emily-ward/doj-report-guns-carried-during-crimes-most-frequently-obtained-street-or

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Who stood to gain from lying about the Russian deal? It wasn’t Cohen. Cohen could only go to jail. Trump lied about the Russian deal all along. I think Muller is trying to keep Cohen alive long enough to testify. Cohen’s friends in the Russian Mafia are upset and they settle scores with guns.

None of this is going where you think it is. Once it's done, you and the leftists of this country are going to be in for a shock.

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If Trump would fix one poll do you think he would hesitate to fix others? Meet the Press Daily had one of Cohen’s lawyers on who did a good job detailing what went on. Including how the pay offs were made and how they swindled the college professor out of most of the money.

The report is he fixed 2 polls, only one was related to the election, it was a poll for Drudge Report... he got 5% of the vote, that is some horrible fixing.

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When the constitution was written only men could vote and senators were appointed instead of elected. Things change.

We have had at least 2/3 of Congress and the States approve the changes. I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying you don't have 2/3 of Congress or the States to make the change. Good luck.

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Its much easier to use an AR-15 than drag around a 50-caliber machine gun.

A civilian can still own both and I'm ok with the current process to get them. One requires a standard background check, the other requires an extensive background check to include FBI interviews to obtain a Class III firearms license. As I've noted, I would like the restriction lifted on full auto guns made after 1986.

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The natural right argument is just bogus. If it is not in writing it doesn’t exist.

Why are you so against what our Constitution stands for? Natural Rights are referred to as "inalienable rights":
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Freedoms that each individual in the United States have which cannot be transferred to another person or surrendered except by the individual having those rights. Fundamental rights of United States citizens include right to practice religion, equal protection of laws and the freedom of speech.

It seems you don't believe in the Declaration of Independence, Constitution or The Bill of Rights.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2019 12:27 am
@Baldimo,
Words matter, there is a world of difference between a car and a multi-ton truck.
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The illegal children had no choice in the matter. They just went along with their parents as any other child does. Punishing them for that is not rational but the neo-Nazis have to have an enemy to spread their hate.
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It is very simple the teacher in Los Angles are under paid because the census was inaccurate because many of the illegals were not counted and some of funds for education are allocated based on the census.
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Social security is probably the most popular government program in America. It is the only income for many seniors without social security 40% of America’s would live in poverty. That is nearly one out of every two. If you were in a car accident tomorrow and you were killed social security would pay your wife and children till they were grown.
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At one time in WV anyone could swear out a warrant on anyone but that was stopped so even a citizen could have his neighbor arrested at one time on his say so. My job was to issue arrest citations and even a county commissioner was given an arrest citation. Without the power to issue arrest citation the job would not be possible to do that job. If you had someone tearing down the flood wall, and I did one day, if I could not issue an arrest citation, he would just keep on tearing up the floodwall. You are free to believe anything you want or disbelieve anything you want. “A man hears what he wants to and disregards the rest.”
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You don’t have a clue. Even WV students in state colleges have $300,000 in student loans. We had an assistant city attorney wo graduated WV University 10 years ago who had $300,000 in student loans. That would be closer to $500,000 to graduate from law school today. All my daughter friends have huge student loans and they are very surprised to find out she doesn’t have any. We sold a house to pay for her education and that was 25 years ago. Do you have three houses to sell to pay for your children’s education will I can tell you it won’t be hardly enough. Your children will be indentured servants to a bank for life.
That what happens they end up in a community college instead of a real college. You do realize most colleges require room and board in addition to tuition and books and many colleges require you live on campuses even if you live next door. You also realize student loans are loans and that interest is charged. It isn’t as high as credit cards, but the Republicans are trying to get it up there. Tuition is only a part of the expense my books cost as much as my tuition.


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You don’t have any idea how a state budget works. The state takes in money from taxes and uses that money to pay its bills. If you cut taxes by $20 billion for the ungodly greedy you have to cut $20 billion from spending the easiest thing to cut was education and that is what is cut first. Just as if you hours are cut by 50% you have to cut your spending by 50% basic economics.
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There are very honest people in America today and there is no such thing as an honest Republican. It used to be when you make contract with someone you expected to do your part of the contract. It is not that way with Republicans when they sign a contract, they fully expect to swindle the other party. When the teachers were hired the schoolboard made them an offer if they would teacher fox X number of years, they would be given a very clearly defined retirement. The school board has their part of the bargain and now wants to swindle the teachers out of their end in the bargain. Welcome to the Republican party.
Tell if you had sold a car for $10,000 and agreed to take $5,000 down and $5,000 in a month and the guy takes the car and gave him the signed title. In a month he tells you he has fallen on hard times and says sorry I can’t pay you. That is what is happening to the teachers.
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The only real wasted money is the hundreds of millions wasted on the athletic programs. Football coachers are paid over a million dollars a year and stadiums cost $40 to $50 million to build. Then they tack the cost on to the tuition for an athletic fee that students are required to pay.
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The Republicans have put America on path to be a third world country in a couple hundred years. We have now fallen below much of the world in our education system at a time when a good education is far more important now then it ever was. There was a time when working in a steal plant or air plane factory made America great, but future is in high tech industries that require higher education.
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The Statistic are kept by the government do you think they forged them 10 years before Trump became president to make him look like a liar? To liar everything rigged Trump said the election was rigged but when elected he believed the election wasn’t rigged. When the unemployment figures came in low Trump swore, they were just lies, when he became president he sighted those figures as the gospel truth. The figures didn’t change just whether they benefited Trump changed. The Russian military objective is to convince Americans there is no such thing as truth that it is just a fiction and you can believe anything the truth is just another lie.
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Exactly Trump kept his lie on the front page of every south American country’s newspaper, and it became a self-fulfilling prophesy.
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Certain kind of crops can be picked with technology, but others can’t and if the Neo-Nazis and the KKK get their way the corps will rot in the fields and America will experience its first self-imposed famine.
Sometimes you better hope you don’t get what you wished for you might just get it.
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Anyone that ran on a platform of “state rights” and launched his campaign in the most racist part America is racist. He also made up lies about a black welfare queen to get the racist vote. This area is still racist and Reagan election was the first election where the local KKK members had Democrats for Reagan stickers on their cars.
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Every time I go to mall, I pass 4 crosses along the side of the interstate where a family of four was killed when a car driven by someone high on MJ. Do you think instead of going to jail that they should kill other people in car crashes? The Republicans often used people who had been pardoned or paroled to tar and feather democratic candidates. Michael Dukakis was tarred and feathered over a convict release by Bush senior.
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Many foreigners from China and other Asian countries come to America just long enough to give birth so their babies have American citizenship. There are commercial ventures being run for profit in America. So being born on foreign soil or American soil may not make a difference.
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Work visa should be illegal for temporary workers. Trump should be required to return the Mexicans to Mexico once their visa expired and have documented proof that it was done. What we do know is that the biggest source of illegal aliens is those who got here with a visa and simple stayed after it expired. Trump is contributing to biggest source of illegal immigration and yet he has no problem with that. Not all of Trump’s businesses are Hotel many are golf courses which require large numbers of Mexicans to maintain them.
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This is not a black and white subject there are many different forms of government than just capitalism and communism just as there are man different tolls in a tool box. The Domino theory proved to be wrong.
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Eisenhower warned us about the military industrial complex Vietnam was just a test ground to test out the newest weapons. No war no profits. Never underestimate self-interest as a motive.
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Government is a necessary evil it would be nice to live in utopia but that isn’t possible.
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A typical book may be 500 pages that takes weeks to read there isn’t anything on line that is that detailed.
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307 mass shooting have occurred by October 27 that is more than one every day this year.
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When there is a lot of money in a house it is usually from drugs.
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Nothing new most criminals don’t want to commit crimes with a gun that can be traced back to them. So they are going to steal a gun or buy it from someone who specializes in stealing guns from gun owners. Just like criminals stealing from houses rumored to have money others target houses with guns.
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You spend way too much time writing and way too little time reading. The impeachment process has begun and all of Trumps lies are recorded. Trump can be linked to Russia for 26 years. He was in businesses with the Russian mob. Trump has committed enough crimes to put him in jail well into the next century. You should already be shocked.

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If he would fix one poll, he would not hesitate to fix more. Cohen’s lawyer detailed how the payoffs were done and how the polls were fixed. We are only seeing the very tip of an ice burg.
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WE have got 2/3 in the past.
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I think anyone who wanted an AR-15 should undergo a thorough psychiatry examination in appropriate hospital for a week or better paid for by the applicant.
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If they are not specified in, writing they are imagined.
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What you don’t seem to believe that the pursuit of happiness is a right and it was specified.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2019 11:30 am
@Zardoz,
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Words matter, there is a world of difference between a car and a multi-ton truck.

No difference at all, they are both motorized vehicles that require a person to operate them.

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The illegal children had no choice in the matter. They just went along with their parents as any other child does. Punishing them for that is not rational but the neo-Nazis have to have an enemy to spread their hate.

Not everyone who disagree's with you is a Nazi, that's a really weak statement with no basis in reality. Granting illegal immigrants permanent resident status isn't a punishment, it's more than the law allows for illegal entry into our country. They have no claim to citizenship unless they go through the current legal channels, and that is requesting citizenship just like every other immigrant to the US.

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It is very simple the teacher in Los Angles are under paid because the census was inaccurate because many of the illegals were not counted and some of funds for education are allocated based on the census.

You have no actual fact's to back this claim. If illegal immigrants are not answering the census, then that's not the US govt's fault. Just one more rule that illegal immigrants think doesn't apply to them and they don't follow. You are not making a strong case for illegal immigration.

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Social security is probably the most popular government program in America.

So? That doesn't change the fact that the program is failing and doesn't fit into our modern day economy, let alone does it fit with our current expanded life times and styles.

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It is the only income for many seniors without social security 40% of America’s would live in poverty.

Which is it, 40% of Americans or 40% of old people? You have any facts to back up this claim?

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If you were in a car accident tomorrow and you were killed social security would pay your wife and children till they were grown.

This is part of the mission creep of SS and one of the reasons the system is going broke. It was meant for retirement of old people and nothing more, now it is literally is paid to everyone and their mother.

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That what happens they end up in a community college instead of a real college.

Oh, a real college... See, that's part of the problem with college education right now, it's people like you who think everyone has to go to some high end school. Guess what, if you pay $300k for a college education and get stuck with a $40k a year job, that's your fault and you deserve to be in debt for life. That's not smart planning. YOU are forcing people into debt with your stupid belief that college is required, there are plenty of people making good money and didn't even attend college.

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You do realize most colleges require room and board in addition to tuition and books and many colleges require you live on campuses even if you live next door. You also realize student loans are loans and that interest is charged. It isn’t as high as credit cards, but the Republicans are trying to get it up there. Tuition is only a part of the expense my books cost as much as my tuition.

Sound to me like the colleges are doing everything in their power to make school as expensive as possible. Forced living in the dorms and other such silly regulations only increase the cost of the school, the only people who benefit are the Administrators and the Professors. You make a strong argument against these types of forced systems.

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You don’t have any idea how a state budget works. The state takes in money from taxes and uses that money to pay its bills. If you cut taxes by $20 billion for the ungodly greedy you have to cut $20 billion from spending the easiest thing to cut was education and that is what is cut first.

Who cut taxers by 20 billion in a state? Please tell me where this happened. Instead of cutting education, they should have cut your job position, saved a lot of money.

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Just as if you hours are cut by 50% you have to cut your spending by 50% basic economics.

Since I live in the real world, I find another job to support my family, why stay with a company that cut my hours by 50%. In the real world we do have to adjust our budgets, but in govt, they hardly cut what needs to be cut, instead they cut what they know will generate the most political pressure to keep the hand outs coming.
Also the difference between me and the govt, I actually earn the money I make, I don't expect it just because I'm breathing.

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There are very honest people in America today and there is no such thing as an honest Republican. It used to be when you make contract with someone you expected to do your part of the contract. It is not that way with Republicans when they sign a contract, they fully expect to swindle the other party. When the teachers were hired the schoolboard made them an offer if they would teacher fox X number of years, they would be given a very clearly defined retirement. The school board has their part of the bargain and now wants to swindle the teachers out of their end in the bargain. Welcome to the Republican party.

I guess the Dems and the teachers unions should think more clearly about the deals they make, when deals become to expensive to continue, like a majority of the over promised pensions unions love to stick taxpayers with.

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Tell if you had sold a car for $10,000 and agreed to take $5,000 down and $5,000 in a month and the guy takes the car and gave him the signed title. In a month he tells you he has fallen on hard times and says sorry I can’t pay you. That is what is happening to the teachers.

See, people are smarter when dealing with their own money as opposed to dealing with other people's money. The politicians and unions don't care about the taxpayers or their money, they are worried about getting the Unions campaign contributions for the next election.

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The only real wasted money is the hundreds of millions wasted on the athletic programs. Football coachers are paid over a million dollars a year and stadiums cost $40 to $50 million to build. Then they tack the cost on to the tuition for an athletic fee that students are required to pay.

I'll agree with you on the athletic programs, but in all honesty, those programs bring in a lot of their own money as well. I would love to see those programs cut and the money diverted to the actual learning programs. I won't even get into Title IX and it's mission creep.

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The Republicans have put America on path to be a third world country in a couple hundred years.

You are wrong there, it's the leftists and the liberals who have actually run the school system for the last several decades and have overseen it's decline. When they are more concerned with social justice instead of reading, writing and math, that leads to a decline in the schools. They spend more hours teaching about Climate change than they do working on actual real world skills. "Social Justice" has ruin our education system, when they start giving a separate report card based on their "social development" that is wasted class room time.

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Many foreigners from China and other Asian countries come to America just long enough to give birth so their babies have American citizenship. There are commercial ventures being run for profit in America. So being born on foreign soil or American soil may not make a difference.

Changing the requirement for 1 parent to be a US citizen would bring such practices to a screeching halt, it would also end the practice of anchor babies.

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Trump should be required to return the Mexicans to Mexico once their visa expired and have documented proof that it was done.

2 problems with your sceinerio. 1- To require that the company make sure the temp people leaved the country would require some sort of containment or imprisonment of the temp employee, which is illegal. 2-Last time I checked, it was the job of the Federal to enforce such laws, how would a company enforce immigration laws?

You could require a reporting system, but many liberals are against such systems when it comes to illegal immigrants. In fact CA has passed a law which makes it illegal for private companies to work with immigration officials and report on possible illegal immigrants.

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What we do know is that the biggest source of illegal aliens is those who got here with a visa and simple stayed after it expired.

Yet again the leftists do everything in their power to keep such people in the US. In fact the leftists in the US don't want to fix anything with the immigration system, in it's current format it favors them greatly.

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This is not a black and white subject there are many different forms of government than just capitalism and communism just as there are man different tolls in a tool box.

Except it is capitalism that has driven the world to it's current level of technology and standard of living. Communism didn't do that and neither did Socialism.

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Eisenhower warned us about the military industrial complex Vietnam was just a test ground to test out the newest weapons. No war no profits. Never underestimate self-interest as a motive.

You and many others have misinterpreted what he was actually warning about.

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Government is a necessary evil it would be nice to live in utopia but that isn’t possible.

Govt is a necessary evil, the question is how much evil are we willing to accept, some of us are not willing to accept a powerful centralized govt as you are. A vast majority of our country is happy with the Constitution, and anything you want doesn't meet the standards of our Constitution.

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A typical book may be 500 pages that takes weeks to read there isn’t anything on line that is that detailed.

My e-reader would disagree with you, thousands of documents and books available online would disagree with you. Paper books are a waste of materials and money in a digital age.

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307 mass shooting have occurred by October 27 that is more than one every day this year.

Wrong again, can you provide the proof that doesn't come from an anti-gun website?

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When there is a lot of money in a house it is usually from drugs.

Wrong again but thanks for playing BS facts.

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Nothing new most criminals don’t want to commit crimes with a gun that can be traced back to them. So they are going to steal a gun or buy it from someone who specializes in stealing guns from gun owners.

Most criminals are not that smart, they don't think that far ahead. They buy their guns the way they do because they can't legally purchase them. It has nothing to do with it tracing back to them.

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Just like criminals stealing from houses rumored to have money others target houses with guns.

This is exactly the reason I'm against any sort of registration as a gun owner or for guns. We have already had news papers publish the names of gun owners, talk about inviting crime to someone's house.

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You spend way too much time writing and way too little time reading. The impeachment process has begun and all of Trumps lies are recorded. Trump can be linked to Russia for 26 years. He was in businesses with the Russian mob. Trump has committed enough crimes to put him in jail well into the next century. You should already be shocked.

Boy are you in for a surprise when the report drops and the people behind this fraud of an investigation start going to jail.

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If he would fix one poll, he would not hesitate to fix more. Cohen’s lawyer detailed how the payoffs were done and how the polls were fixed. We are only seeing the very tip of an ice burg.

Pardon me if I don't believe a word that guy says. He is being busted for crimes he committed on his own, and nothing to do with Trump. There is a line of investigation you have ignored, Coehn, Manafort and The Podesta Group... you don't even know what's coming.

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WE have got 2/3 in the past.

Who's WE? You won't have the votes to change the Constitution in this day and age, all of the changes are purely political.

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I think anyone who wanted an AR-15 should undergo a thorough psychiatry examination in appropriate hospital for a week or better paid for by the applicant.

The Constitution disagrees with you. Why are you so anti-Constitutional?

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If they are not specified in, writing they are imagined.

You continue to prove you don't understand the ideals that this nation was founded on.

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What you don’t seem to believe that the pursuit of happiness is a right and it was specified.

Yeah, which Amendment covers it? Which portion of the Bill of Rights does it cover?
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2019 12:22 am
@Baldimo,
A huge truck and a car may both be vehicles but there is a huge difference in the damage they can cause. That would be like saying that a musket an AR-15 are the same thing they are both guns but there is a hell of a difference between the damage they cause.
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The Neo-Nazis and the KKK always need an enemy if they don’t have one, they will create one. There is no question where the vast majority of illegal immigrants got here, and it wasn’t crossing the border illegally. If Trump’s intention is to stop the flow of illegal aliens into America, he would concentrate on doing something about those that stayed once their visa has expired. Isn’t it funny how Trump is not concerned in the least about that problem and in fact greatly contributes to the problem? It is public knowledge that both the Neo-Nazis and the KKK are big supporters of Trump.
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If you committed a crime would you leave your card with your name and address knowing that you might be deported? The news report about the school district in Los Angles stated the vast majority were Hispanic which explains why the census information used for the allocation of funds was inaccurate. The school district was maybe 2% white.
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Social Security trust fund increased by $44 billion in 2017 and the fund stands at $2.89 trillion. Compare that to the Trump run government whose massive tax cut to the ungodly greed increased the deficit by $2 trillion. Which is a success?
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Everybody gets old so that figure would apply to all Americans at some point in their life.
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The Social Security Trust fund is at $2.89 trillion and growing you just believe the right-wing propaganda. The Republicans have used the social security trust fund to fund round after round of their massive tax cuts for the ungodly greedy now the time has come to pay the piper and there is only one way to repay social security that is massive tax increases on the ungodly greedy.
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My sister is a teacher in Florida, and they spend most of their $150,000 a year income on entertainment so they could not afford to send their children to college instead they went to community college. Though they spent years in school they never finished. My niece is in her middle 30s she works menial jobs and has never been able to support herself, but she is still going to school. My nephew worked his way up thru the Y and makes a decent living, but both live in a house my 90-year-old mother bought. If my mom hadn’t bought the house my niece would be sleeping on someone else’s couch today with her community college education. We sent my daughter to a University when she graduated, she made more at her first job than I did after 20 years with the city. A community college is like a learner’s permit.

The democrats in the state legislature are pushing for two years of free community college but the republican called that an entitlement and are pushing huge tax cuts for the ungodly greedy. They want to cut the severance taxes for the poor oil, gas and coal companies. Then they would do away with property taxes on the machinery and inventory of businesses. These are county taxes to run the schools when the taxes are cut, they will have to be doubled on the citizens to make it up.
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At Marshall a private developer built several dormitories and a recreation center. The deal required Marshall to guarantee the developer 100% occupancy. The argument is that if you live off campus you don’t get the college experience but as usual the ungodly greedy are getting rich off the deal. The bank that builds them can make the loans to students to pay for them.
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The Republicans cut the severance taxes on oil, gas and coal companies several years and $20 billion is a conservative estimate.
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The Feds can go into debt, but state governments have to live within their budget so when you cut taxes you have to cut services and the easiest place to cut is education. The state can’t go out and get another job.
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Once you strike a deal you live by that deal. Rush Slimbaugh’s theory is that once you get your end of the deal you should cheat the other party out of theirs it is just being a good Republican. You don’t go into a car dealership and sign a contract for $30,000 and then give them a check for $25,000 because you can’t afford it. Business doesn’t work that way, but the Republicans believe business contracts should be rigorously enforced but contract with employs are special class of contracts that should be unenforceable.
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The ungodly greedy contribute 100-times more than the unions and all the tax cuts for the ungodly greedy prove it. The unions are considerably smaller with far less money for political contributions.
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The athletics consume a good share of education dollars. When I was in high school the two main high schools and the University used the same stadium. Now every high school and junior high has to have their own stadium complete with Astroturf. When they tried to pass a school bond levy to install Astroturf in all the schools it was voted down, but they rephrased it and passed it the next time. Marshall even had to build an indoor practice field. They try to justify the tremendous expenses say it brings people to town for the local businesses to fleece. The job of a university is education not lining the pockets of local businessmen.
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Why should children be paying for an education to start with? Their education and the skills they learn benefit society as a whole. A doctor may save several people’s lives during his career. It’s likely that student that could become a scientist and find a cure for cancer is working at a carwash because he couldn’t afford an education. The resources that are most valuable aren’t oil or gas it is human resources that will ultimately determine the fate of America. Many great empires have come and gone and we are not immune to the fate of others.
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Trump is to busy worrying about poor people crossing the borders to worry about anchor babies.
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A good start would be to stop companies from securing the visas. The practice of letting employers say they can’t find anyone in America to do the job has to change. Instead of Mexicans for employees there are many places in America with high unemployment. The requirement to find employees let the employer advertise in an obscure publication. Trump then required that they reply by Fax only. It is a racket to get cheap labor. There should be threshold wages before they could import Mexicans. With the $5.7 billion a lot of illegal aliens could be tracked down because most are hiding in plain sight.

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We had a border that was working for years until Trump came along.
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There are more countries than just America that have contributed technological advances and America is not pure capitalism and many of the programs are socialists.
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Eisenhower’s warning was crystal clear and not open to interpretation. The Vietnam war is an example of a war that was driven by the military industrial complex. The military industrial complex needs perpetual wars to exist.
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The constitution will always be up for interpretation whether it is now or 200 years from now. To survive in today’s world America cannot be 50 different loosely affiliated countries. With out a strong central government America would be consumed with conflicts between states.
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There are indeed books available online, but it takes just as long to read them online and they are not the typical internet site. I have a couple of e-readers that my daughter gave me for Christmas. I still prefer to have a book. It is something tangible.
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On that site each and every mass shooting is listed with the day and place where they took place. There was another today where 5 people were killed.
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The people that run drugs keep large amounts of cash at home because if they banked the cash the law would find them. Cash isn’t used near as much now as in the past. The generation that lived thru the Great Depression didn’t trust banks. We had a guy that ran a strip club when his house caught fire, he ran into the house instead of out of it. The fire men found him in the house tearing the walls out. He had put his cash in the walls of the house.
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Guns can be purchased on the street no criminal wants a gun that can be traced back to him. Criminals are in fact more intelligent than the average joe. If Trump decided to kill Cohen for ratting on him. He would not want a record of the gun. If Cohen gets killed with a 357. The first thing the FBI would do was look to see if Trump owned a 357. They would check to see if he still had the 357.
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The reason guns owners are targeted is because guns bring more money than other things plus the know that whoever they sell it to unlikely to report it because they know it is stolen.
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You are still reading the stories the Russian military is planting. There are way too many of Trump’s close associates that have been convicted or been pled guilty. Congress is now going after the NRA and John Boulton when he was working for the NRA. Congress may require the NRA be disbanded over their close association with Russian agents. The only people pushing that story is the Russians and Fox news and neither of them is a reliable news source.
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The American people have amended the Constitution in the past and they will amend the constitution in the future.
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Psychiatry evaluations were not around when the second amendment was written so the constitution is silent on them.
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We Write things down for a reason You will se many people go into court without a written contract that the court can’t enforce it. Something that is not in writing is not worth the paper it is not written on.
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If it was specified in the Declaration of Independence the founding fathers believed that it was a right.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2019 08:59 am
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
We Write things down for a reason You will se many people go into court without a written contract that the court can’t enforce it. Something that is not in writing is not worth the paper it is not written on.
The right to keep and bear arms was written down 1400 years ago.

Zardoz wrote:
Congress is now going after the NRA and John Boulton when he was working for the NRA. Congress may require the NRA be disbanded over their close association with Russian agents.
Congress does not even have the power to do that.

The First Amendment would shield and protect the NRA even if Congress did have that power.

Zardoz wrote:
The American people have amended the Constitution in the past and they will amend the constitution in the future.
The likelihood that the American people will ever decide to abolish civil liberties is zero.

Zardoz wrote:
The Vietnam war is an example of a war that was driven by the military industrial complex. The military industrial complex needs perpetual wars to exist.
The Vietnam War was an attempt to prevent Communists from stamping out freedom in South Vietnam.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2019 09:59 am
@Zardoz,
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A huge truck and a car may both be vehicles but there is a huge difference in the damage they can cause. That would be like saying that a musket an AR-15 are the same thing they are both guns but there is a hell of a difference between the damage they cause.

Sorry still no difference. You have one example of a gun killing 58 people, I have an example of a vehicle killing 86 people, in less time than it took the Las Vegas shooter.

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The Neo-Nazis and the KKK always need an enemy if they don’t have one, they will create one.

Still on this weak ass argument?

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There is no question where the vast majority of illegal immigrants got here, and it wasn’t crossing the border illegally.

This we can agree on. The problem comes from no will to even stop the illegal border crossings, which do add to the over all illegal immigration population.

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If Trump’s intention is to stop the flow of illegal aliens into America, he would concentrate on doing something about those that stayed once their visa has expired.

Except that the leftists won't allow him to do it. In fact when people mention deporting all the illegals, I'm not one of those people, they are told it would cost to much money and it's impossible to find all those people.

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Isn’t it funny how Trump is not concerned in the least about that problem and in fact greatly contributes to the problem?

We don't know that to be true. He picked his starting point for the immigration battle, the easier battle to be sure. Can you imagine the Nazi calls if he actually wanted to deport all illegal immigrants? I don't think it could get worse, but the leftists would find a way.

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It is public knowledge that both the Neo-Nazis and the KKK are big supporters of Trump.

It's nice to see someone finally admit that illegal immigrants have no intention of obeying our laws unless it is laws they agree with. Since when did non-citizens set the agenda for how the US works?

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Social Security trust fund increased by $44 billion in 2017 and the fund stands at $2.89 trillion. Compare that to the Trump run government whose massive tax cut to the ungodly greed increased the deficit by $2 trillion. Which is a success?

Facts, proof, links?

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The Republicans have used the social security trust fund to fund round after round of their massive tax cuts for the ungodly greedy now the time has come to pay the piper and there is only one way to repay social security that is massive tax increases on the ungodly greedy.

Facts, proof, links?

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The democrats in the state legislature are pushing for two years of free community college but the republican called that an entitlement and are pushing huge tax cuts for the ungodly greedy.

Let me get this straight, you can't even fund your local schools and the state wants to hand out 2 free years of community college? More taxes and more taxes and more taxes...

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At Marshall a private developer built several dormitories and a recreation center. The deal required Marshall to guarantee the developer 100% occupancy. The argument is that if you live off campus you don’t get the college experience but as usual the ungodly greedy are getting rich off the deal. The bank that builds them can make the loans to students to pay for them.

The school doesn't care, they get to increase tuition so they can hire more administrators and PC police and increase their own salaries. The "greedy" as you call them currently run our schools and they are leftists.

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The Republicans cut the severance taxes on oil, gas and coal companies several years and $20 billion is a conservative estimate.

Facts, proof, links?

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The Feds can go into debt, but state governments have to live within their budget so when you cut taxes you have to cut services and the easiest place to cut is education. The state can’t go out and get another job.

Who are you trying to fool, every state is in debt, to include yours, they all over spend and do not "stay within a budget". Why would they, they can always raise taxes to fund their pet projects or give something away for free.
In fact the more the liberal a state, the more indebt they are.
https://ballotpedia.org/State_debt

Lets compare CA, CO and WV 2016:
CA- $21,000 per person
CO- $4,000 per person
WV- $15,000 per person

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Once you strike a deal you live by that deal. Rush Slimbaugh’s theory is that once you get your end of the deal you should cheat the other party out of theirs it is just being a good Republican.

I'll agree to a point. Current generations shouldn't be stuck with bad promises from 30 or 40 years ago. If a union pension program is going to destroy a business, then it has to be redone for the future of the business, not because old workers were promised something that is no longer works in current economic conditions. CO's pension system is in ruins, and they expect the taxpayers to fix their broken system. How is that fair?

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The ungodly greedy contribute 100-times more than the unions and all the tax cuts for the ungodly greedy prove it. The unions are considerably smaller with far less money for political contributions.

The reality of campaign money doesn't fit your rhetoric, it seems the wealthy support the left leaning candidates. Who do you think the richest people in the US support in politics? There is a reason Clinton had over 1 Billion dollars for her campaign, wealthy donors. She had almost twice the money Trump had for the election and she still lost.

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The athletics consume a good share of education dollars.

I don't think they take up as much money as you think they do, but I would like to see more of the money go into actual education.

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Why should children be paying for an education to start with?

Children don't pay for their primary school, k-12, that is paid for by their parents tax money and personal incomes. College on the other hand is attended by adults and adults usually pay their own way in this world.

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Their education and the skills they learn benefit society as a whole. A doctor may save several people’s lives during his career. It’s likely that student that could become a scientist and find a cure for cancer is working at a carwash because he couldn’t afford an education. The resources that are most valuable aren’t oil or gas it is human resources that will ultimately determine the fate of America. Many great empires have come and gone and we are not immune to the fate of others.

If only your dreams were a reality. Lets face it, the majority of people are dumb and can't handle college, how many drop out vs start college? Not everyone needs to go to college.

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Trump is to busy worrying about poor people crossing the borders to worry about anchor babies.

Wrong, he has already proposed changing birthright citizenship. I think that will be next on the list.

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A good start would be to stop companies from securing the visas.

Agreed. We have far to many able bodied people in the US not working to import workers.

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The practice of letting employers say they can’t find anyone in America to do the job has to change.

Agreed, we need to stop importing cheaper labor that under cuts the wages of US workers.

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Instead of Mexicans for employees there are many places in America with high unemployment. The requirement to find employees let the employer advertise in an obscure publication.

Not sure why you are targeting Mexicans specifically. This would only work if we cut off a bunch of social welfare and forced people to work. The left doesn't want to force people to work though.

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There should be threshold wages before they could import Mexicans. With the $5.7 billion a lot of illegal aliens could be tracked down because most are hiding in plain sight.

Once again not sure why you are targeting Mexicans.

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We had a border that was working for years until Trump came along.

Wrong, if the border worked, we would have close to zero crossings, instead of have crossings in the thousands per month, it has been that way excpet for when the economy was in bad shape. After 2011, illegal immigration soared again due to states like CA claiming they were sanctuary states.

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There are more countries than just America that have contributed technological advances and America is not pure capitalism and many of the programs are socialists.

The US has had the most contributions to technology than any other country. We still lead the world in R&D and innovation, no country comes close to what we do. There are some countries that specialize in some fields over others, but they still don't match the US.

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Eisenhower’s warning was crystal clear and not open to interpretation. The Vietnam war is an example of a war that was driven by the military industrial complex. The military industrial complex needs perpetual wars to exist.

You don't understand humanity at all do you. History has taught you nothing about the human condition. Humanity will always be at war, nothing will change that except visitors from another planet who cause humanity to band together.

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The constitution will always be up for interpretation whether it is now or 200 years from now. To survive in today’s world America cannot be 50 different loosely affiliated countries. With out a strong central government America would be consumed with conflicts between states.

Yeah, more anti-Constitutional talk from a Socialist.

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There are indeed books available online, but it takes just as long to read them online and they are not the typical internet site. I have a couple of e-readers that my daughter gave me for Christmas. I still prefer to have a book. It is something tangible.

An e-reader is tangible, and it can hold your entire book collection for easy access. Technology is a wonderful thing.

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On that site each and every mass shooting is listed with the day and place where they took place. There was another today where 5 people were killed.

I don't doubt people being shot happened, it's their classification and overly generic use of "mass shooting". It's purely a political agenda driven site who's only purpose is to ban guns and get rid of the 2nd Amendment.

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The people that run drugs keep large amounts of cash at home because if they banked the cash the law would find them. Cash isn’t used near as much now as in the past. The generation that lived thru the Great Depression didn’t trust banks. We had a guy that ran a strip club when his house caught fire, he ran into the house instead of out of it. The fire men found him in the house tearing the walls out. He had put his cash in the walls of the house.

Are you still trying to find an angle that makes the guy who defended his home a bad guy? It's been several days, any more reports?

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Guns can be purchased on the street no criminal wants a gun that can be traced back to him.

I think you are giving the majority of criminals too much credit. The only reason they buy guns on the streets is because they can't pass a background check, it has nothing to do with a gun being linked to them.

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If Trump decided to kill Cohen for ratting on him. He would not want a record of the gun. If Cohen gets killed with a 357. The first thing the FBI would do was look to see if Trump owned a 357. They would check to see if he still had the 357.

That is some murder fantasy thing you got going on there. Why are you so damn violent?

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The reason guns owners are targeted is because guns bring more money than other things plus the know that whoever they sell it to unlikely to report it because they know it is stolen.


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The American people have amended the Constitution in the past and they will amend the constitution in the future.

I don't doubt that it will be Amended in the future, I just don' think it will ever the the 2nd Amendment. If the 2nd Amendment goes, then the rest of our Constitution will soon follow. Anti-gun people have already proven they don't like the Constitution and want to see it done away with.

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Psychiatry evaluations were not around when the second amendment was written so the constitution is silent on them.

There is no qualification needed to have your Constitutional rights. Only people who dislike freedom think is such ways.

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We Write things down for a reason You will se many people go into court without a written contract that the court can’t enforce it. Something that is not in writing is not worth the paper it is not written on.

Sorry, but you are wrong again. Contract law is not the same as Constitutional law.

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If it was specified in the Declaration of Independence the founding fathers believed that it was a right.

You don't understand our founding documents at all do you?


Zardoz
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2019 12:32 am
@Baldimo,
Not only was the attack done with a 19 ton truck the equivalent of at least 10 cars, the Paris attack was a terrorist including 6 other people that were arrested besides the driver for aiding in planning the terrorist attack. This was an attack by a foreign power known as ISIS. That is not the same as the lone wolf mass murders taking place in America.
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The Neo-Nazis and the KKK have not been as politically strong since the early 1900s. Now the Neo-Nazis and the KKK are respected members of the republican coalition as Trump says they are nice people.
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Why not stop worrying about the wall and instead spend the $5.7 million hiring bounty hunters to run down all of Trumps ex-employees and that might be enough to catch and deport the ones Trump bought into America. The wall is a waste the military quickly breeched all three designs of the Trump wall.
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There is a difference between the dreamers and the others illegal aliens. When I caught the 20 or so illegals, I took the proper steps to see they were deported. Immigration let one family lose the others were taken to Pennsylvania. Whether they were actually deported I don’t know. If large numbers were caught and deported and those figures publicized in the newspapers in the country they came from it might discourage others from coming.
If a wall is going to be built is should be around New York city to stop the Russian mob from coming into America. Many of the Russian Mob live in Trump Tower. Castro opened his prisons and sent them to America, Russia did the same.
With today’s technology it is easier than ever to track someone.
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The reason we have a department of naturalization and immigration is to locate and deport illegals aliens and this goes on all the time under every president. Opening up the process up to bounty hunters would quickly triple the number of aliens apprehended. All that need to do was go to any major construction project.
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At some point you have to draw a line and take a stand but first you must decide where you want to draw the line in the sand.
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“Summary: Actuarial Status of the Social Security Trust Fund”
That is the title of the source
The Republicans had fully intended to steal that $2.89 trillion trust fund by telling people that US Treasury bonds are worthless paper. Another case of contracts must be upheld for the rich but are voidable for all others. The US Treasury bonds in the hands of the rich are worth every penny of their face value but those in the social security trust fund are just worthless paper.
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The funding for primary schools comes from county property taxes the funding for the 2 years free community would come from the state. But the Republicans are proposing eliminating property tax on businesses’ inventory and machinery which would cut the counties property taxes.
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I went to Marshall and they have a hard time getting good professors for what they pay. I went back to take a computer class and knew there was going to be a problem when I could answer questions she couldn’t. She was fresh out of school and while it is usually the students that cut class in her case, she continually canceled class and thought we would be thrilled but since it was mostly an adult class and since they were paying, not their parents, she was reported. The professor’s salaries are below average.
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A portion of the oil and gas severance taxes go to each of the State’s 55 counties and also to the cities. The city of Huntington is but one of the cities in Cabell County and at one time the city got over a million a year. In 2017 the Republicans cut the severance tax from 5% in 2017 to 3% in July of 2018. That is a 40% tax cut for some of the richest big business in America. I could not find the total figure the percentage it is applied to, but it will be billions if not tens of billions.
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The state’s constitution requires a balanced budget. Some project can be financed with long term bonds if the voters approve the bonds, but bond payments are included in the budget and must balance. How the debt figures in your example are arrived at is to assume every employee in the state retires tomorrow and payment becomes due. It is called an unfunded liability. There is no chance that could ever happen. But the ungodly greedy use it to destroy the pension system. It is a lie, but it works. They do the same with health insurance. That is not real debt. The city was required to track all unused sick time, vacation time and accumulated time as a liability.
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If I make a deal with a plumber to install a water line for $10,000 and I decide not to pay him, he can put a lean on my property. When the teachers were hired, they were promised a defined pension that is a contract and for our economic system to work contract must be upheld.
There should be a law that pension funds were held separate from other company assets and funded at the proper rate. Many of the company that were taken over because the pension fund was the biggest asset and in fact financed the takeover. Once the business was taken over, they raided the pension fund. The could take a management fee of any sum from the pension plan. The coal companies sold their older mines so they could cheat them out of a pension. Companies have to correctly manage their pension plans.

Not bad promises, contracts. There is a big difference between a promise and a contract. The city manages their own police and fire pension plans. They decided that they were having a rough time so they deliberately underfunded the plans with and decided they could make bigger payments in ten years. They knew they would be rolling in the money then. It is called rosy scenario you can imagine anything. The plans went broke and it almost broke the city. But they mismanaged the accounts against advice.
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You are only counting a tiny portion of the money spent on campaigns. Black money now makes up by far the largest expenditure in campaigns. You have to understand that there are two groups of rich in America, there is old money and new money. They have different sources of income and want the laws made to favor them. When Clinton was elected, they attracted wall street money and the new high-tech industries. The old money doesn’t want to be connected to their political contributions, so they contribute to organizations who are not required to list those who contributed. It is a relative few of the ungodly greedy who contribute to the democrats after all most of the ungodly greedy don’t want their taxes raised.
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Do you have any idea what a stadium cost? The Marshall Stadium cost $30 million in 1989 that is over $60 million in today’s dollars. Football coaches make over a million a year now. They could hire decent teachers with that money instead paying somebody to supervise someone playing children’s games.
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Often employees must be retrained to do their job should they pay for that retraining? The children are being trained to make businesses money it looks like the businesses should be paying since the government is paying to train them to work in their business.
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WV is a Trump state because it is one of the most undereducated states in the union. There really was no reason for most to get a college degree. We were one of the most industrialized states with steel, chemical, coal, and other industries. You could get a good job out of high school but now most of the factories have closed and the coal mines have automated. Out of high school you can work at Wal Mart. There are other alternatives than college but even they require specialized training.
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I would not be surprised if Trump used his hotels for birthing clinics for foreigners if he could make a buck.
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Do you think Trump will turn over another leaf and stop importing Mexicans to set an example?
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Forcing people off of welfare doesn’t really work. I had a next-door-neighbors that were forced to work. One month she worked at a nursing home the next month he worked for good will. He was completely nude in the Goodwill trailer when a woman walked in. He was not required to work after that. He was known to mow his lawn in the nude. I had a stand of trees between the properties. One day the Sheriff showed up at the house and asked about him. My wife told him where he worked at the time and they arrested him, but it didn’t change him.
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I think Mexicans are still the primary source of illegals, but other south American countries are beginning to be a problem.
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Border apprehension in 2000, 220,000 border apprehensions 2017, 15,000. That says it all.
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We no longer have the educated skilled people that we once had. When foreign engineers are hired, they work here for a few years to learn the system and then return to their country of origin and start their own business.
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The people who push for war for are those who get rich from war. The only war that most people would wage is if the home land was invaded. Wars are like lynch mobs, a few instigate and manipulate.
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If you let 10 people read a paragraph each person will have a different interpretation of it. That is why we have courts because there will always be different interpretations. Everybody looks at life through a lens that is made up of their life experiences and everyone experiences life differently.
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I can locate something much faster in a book. I mark the important points and the can be easily located. I have never mastered marking the e books. Computers crash or get a virus and e books do the same and they have a life time. When they die your book collection dies also.
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It is a simple definition and each of those 307 shooting meets that definition.
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It is unheard of for four people to stage a home invasion they must have thought they were going to have some very strong resistance. There is more to that story.
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Even the dumbest criminal knows guns can be traced back to them when used in a crime. Some criminals have raped 200 women before they were caught. When a criminal is caught, he has usually committed several crimes.
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I have been studying Trump and his friends. Do you know why Trump is threatening Cohen’s father-in-law? It seems Cohen’s father-in-law is a Russian millionaire from the Ukraine. I don’t know if he is Russian Mafia, but it would not surprise me. If I was Cohen I would be scared to death. People like Trump would hesitate to kill his family to punish him.
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Times change and so do people and the constitution was meant to change with them.
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The shooting at the bank yesterday is a classic example. This guy goes into the bank executes 5 women and calls the cops to report it. Why did he kill them? He wanted to. If he had to undergo a psychiatry examination, he would never been able to buy a gun.
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When founding father wrote that people had a right to the pursuit of happiness that is what they meant
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2019 12:05 pm
@Zardoz,
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Not only was the attack done with a 19 ton truck the equivalent of at least 10 cars, the Paris attack was a terrorist including 6 other people that were arrested besides the driver for aiding in planning the terrorist attack. This was an attack by a foreign power known as ISIS. That is not the same as the lone wolf mass murders taking place in America.

Death is death. 58 people dead by guns, 68 people dead by a vehicle.

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The Neo-Nazis and the KKK have not been as politically strong since the early 1900s. Now the Neo-Nazis and the KKK are respected members of the republican coalition as Trump says they are nice people.

Nice try, they are not respected members of anything.

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Why not stop worrying about the wall and instead spend the $5.7 million hiring bounty hunters to run down all of Trumps ex-employees and that might be enough to catch and deport the ones Trump bought into America.

Weakness at it's extreme. If we are going to deport illegals, lets deport illegals, shouldn't matter who they worked for in the past, they over stayed their visa's, so kick them out. After we build the barrier that is, won't do any good to kick them out if they can just walk across the border anyways.

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There is a difference between the dreamers and the others illegal aliens.

There is no difference, an illegal immigrant is an illegal immigrant. Americans are Dreamers as well, when did their dreams come in second to non-citizens.

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The reason we have a department of naturalization and immigration is to locate and deport illegals aliens and this goes on all the time under every president.

Sorry to tell you, but that dept hasn't existed for over 10 years. We now have ICE: Immigration Customs Enforcement. While deportations do take place under every President, the President sets the priorities that those depts follow.

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Opening up the process up to bounty hunters would quickly triple the number of aliens apprehended.

I think you might get some push back from your fellow leftists though.

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All that need to do was go to any major construction project.

Or hotels to arrest the cleaning staff, restaurants and fast food joints to arrest the cooks and none customer facing staff... we could go on and on.

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The funding for primary schools comes from county property taxes the funding for the 2 years free community would come from the state.

Funding for primary schools comes from all over the place, Feds, cities and counties.

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But the Republicans are proposing eliminating property tax on businesses’ inventory and machinery which would cut the counties property taxes.

They should, we already have a ridiculous amount of taxes on people and items, if the county has funding issues, they should look at what can be cut. Not everything govt spends money on is required.

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The professor’s salaries are below average.

Below what average? Who are you comparing the salaries to, the private market?

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A portion of the oil and gas severance taxes go to each of the State’s 55 counties and also to the cities.

Why is there a severance tax? What purpose does it really serve other than more money into the greedy politicians hands for their pet projects.

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I could not find the total figure the percentage it is applied to, but it will be billions if not tens of billions.

So since you can't come up with a number, you have to make up a big number? I did some looking into your the county you mentinoed, and they are not going to miss out on billions, they seem to be a county with less than $5 million budget. Billions...

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You are only counting a tiny portion of the money spent on campaigns.

I'm counting money for the candidate, doesn't matter what portion it is, Hillary had almost double the money Trump had, yet the left is concerned with campaign finance reform...

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Black money now makes up by far the largest expenditure in campaigns. You have to understand that there are two groups of rich in America, there is old money and new money. They have different sources of income and want the laws made to favor them. When Clinton was elected, they attracted wall street money and the new high-tech industries. The old money doesn’t want to be connected to their political contributions, so they contribute to organizations who are not required to list those who contributed. It is a relative few of the ungodly greedy who contribute to the democrats after all most of the ungodly greedy don’t want their taxes raised.

A vast majority of the wealthy in American, especially the super wealthy, are DNC backers, they are also the wealthiest people in entertainment.

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Often employees must be retrained to do their job should they pay for that retraining?

Are they not adults? If they failed to see the drastic change that was taking place in their field of work, then who is to blame them or the someone else? As an adult you are responsible for your own decisions and if you fail to act when given notice, then you are the only person to blame.

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Forcing people off of welfare doesn’t really work.

Starvation would disagree. Either work or starve.

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I had a next-door-neighbors that were forced to work. One month she worked at a nursing home the next month he worked for good will. He was completely nude in the Goodwill trailer when a woman walked in. He was not required to work after that. He was known to mow his lawn in the nude. I had a stand of trees between the properties. One day the Sheriff showed up at the house and asked about him. My wife told him where he worked at the time and they arrested him, but it didn’t change him.

Then your neighbor would starve. Why continue to put resources into a waste of human life like that?

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I think Mexicans are still the primary source of illegals, but other south American countries are beginning to be a problem.

You know talk like this typically gets people labeled as racists...
All forms of illegal immigration are a problem, not just those from a single country.

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Border apprehension in 2000, 220,000 border apprehensions 2017, 15,000. That says it all.


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We no longer have the educated skilled people that we once had.

Why is that, it certainly has nothing to do with education spending, we still spend more on education than most other nations. Our focus on what people study had changed. There are tens of thousands of people who graduate with worthless degree's each year, it isn't the lack of people, it where they place their focus in school.

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When foreign engineers are hired, they work here for a few years to learn the system and then return to their country of origin and start their own business.

What system are they learning? They can't steal intellectual property and then start their own business, that is illegal in most countries, except maybe China, where such theft is a way of life for the Chinese.

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I can locate something much faster in a book. I mark the important points and the can be easily located. I have never mastered marking the e books. Computers crash or get a virus and e books do the same and they have a life time. When they die your book collection dies also.

I can see you are trying to sound like an expect on something you know nothing about. The books on an e-reader are backed up to the internet, cloud storage and stored there. I have never heard of an e-reader getting a virus but I have had one crash once. I got a replacement and signed in with my account, all my books were right there.

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It is a simple definition and each of those 307 shooting meets that definition.

Yes, the simplest and most wide ranging definition, to include the most shootings as possible. When you start looking into those shootings, the truth is revealed and the lies exposed.

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It is unheard of for four people to stage a home invasion they must have thought they were going to have some very strong resistance. There is more to that story.

Where's the rest of the story? So far all we have is your made up lies about someone you don't know.

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Even the dumbest criminal knows guns can be traced back to them when used in a crime.

If they know that, why do they hold onto their guns after they commit a crime?

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Some criminals have raped 200 women before they were caught. When a criminal is caught, he has usually committed several crimes.


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I have been studying Trump and his friends.

Oh, I'm sure you have. So far you haven't gotten a single thing correct, that's some studying you got going on there. What's CNN telling you this week?

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Do you know why Trump is threatening Cohen’s father-in-law?

Trump hasn't threatened his father.

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It seems Cohen’s father-in-law is a Russian millionaire from the Ukraine. I don’t know if he is Russian Mafia, but it would not surprise me. If I was Cohen I would be scared to death. People like Trump would hesitate to kill his family to punish him.

You are getting closer to the truth of all of this... Ukraine is the secret along with Cohen, Manafort, the Podesta Group and Clinton...

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Times change and so do people and the constitution was meant to change with them.

You don't want the Constitution to change, you and your fellow leftists want it gone. It's the reason you scream about "democracy" but ignore the Constitution.

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The shooting at the bank yesterday is a classic example. This guy goes into the bank executes 5 women and calls the cops to report it. Why did he kill them? He wanted to.

This isn't a classic example of anything but someone with a screw loose.

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If he had to undergo a psychiatry examination, he would never been able to buy a gun.

First off, we don't know how he got his gun, I haven't even seen what type of gun he used.

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When founding father wrote that people had a right to the pursuit of happiness that is what they meant

What sort of sicko are you?
Zardoz
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2019 11:36 pm
@Baldimo,
58 people killed by a gunman and 68 people killed by an international terrorist organization.
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When the president of the United States says the KKK and Neo-Nazis are “fine people” that is respect.
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Most of the illegals got here legally with a visas or other programs and simply stayed. A publicized program of deporting them might make others think twice about overstaying in the first place. If a law exist without a penalaty people will ignore. A law without enforcement is worthless. What about the Canadian border? They walk back and forth all the time and that is the border the terrorists use.
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Dreamers had no intent to break any law, but they were under the absolute control of their parents and had no choice in the matter.
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They just renamed the department it still has the same responsibilities. The biggest problem is not the border. If your house was on fire would you finish painting the out building before you called the fire department? That is what is going on here.
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If you have a law, you either enforce it or abolish it.
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Like I said hiding in plain sight. We are squandering all our man power at the border and ignoring the real problem.

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The primary source of funding for primary education comes from county property taxes.
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Things had been cut so far that the school system could not hire substitute teachers. When teachers called in sick the students went to study hall. We had people on city council that thought you could keep cutting even after every possible cut had already been made.
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There is an average pay for college professors in America.
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A severance tax is a tax placed on coal, oil, gas, limestone and other minerals for depleting natural resources.
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Severance tax is a state tax that is divided among the 55 counties and the cities. The $5 million surprises me since the city budget is $60 million and the school board budget would be higher than that. That might be for county services alone without counting the 911 system.
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The Political Actions Committees now spend the lions share of the money in any election and none of that is counted as a political contribution. Did the Russians present Trump with a bill for services rendered? I wonder what the cost is for the Russian militaries service.
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Did you find that out on Face Book? The Republican party has always been the party of the ungodly greedy. The democratic party gets by on small donations and union contributions. The rich will contribute to both candidates to make sure they have access even though the lions share will go to Republicans. Do you believe Trump is just an ordinary Joe just like you? Just the billionaire next door. Ever hear of the Koch brothers? They contribute more in one election than all of Hollywood.
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When I worked as a mechanic the city paid for training that went on all year long. When I was in the inspection department the city paid for training and required certifications. They didn’t do that out of the goodness of their heart they did it because it benefited them.
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All societies have offered some sort of minimum standard of living to those who can’t make it on their own. There are children involved but it never surprises me how fast the right to lifers who will advocate starving the same baby to death after it is born.
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You can be physically disabled or mentally disabled and in his case he was mentally disabled. They did cut off of the electricity for one entire winter and his wife lost a baby.
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The vast majority of students can no longer afford a college education. They cannot justify the huge amount of debt. When the numbers are actually crunched working at Wal Mart pays more when the loan and interest are factored in. The cost of living in other countries would have to be factored in to find who spends the most on education.
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How are you going to enforce our laws in those foreign countries if we can’t even enforce laws in this country? It isn’t if they do it several have done just that and more will do it and our jobs will go to third world countries. What they can do is show management how much money they can make by moving their operation to a third world country where there are enough engineers to do the job.
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I got a notice from Amazon that if I didn’t continue to pay them $13 a month, I would not have access to anything. Bye, bye books. It seems now they want you to be an Amazon Prime member for that privilege. I never signed up or ask for Amazon Prime they had taken payment out of my card for four months. Amazon may be the new Wells Fargo. The first reader developed a virus in the first-year. Somethings work but access to the internet is spotty, but it does not function correctly. Don’t be sure you will always have access to your books.
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I looked at all the mass shooting in Colorado one year and everyone met the criteria. Mass shooting are one where four or more people are killed or injured with a fire arm.
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The rest of story will eventually come out.
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The people that hold on to the guns are not professional criminals. Someone that kills his wife on the spur of the moment is not thinking straight. Crimes of passion are not done by professional criminals.
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No actually, I very seldom watch CNN, but I have several books on Trump. I even have a book in my library Trump wrote. Trump can and does sue anybody that publishes any false information about him, and he even sues people that publish true information about him. That makes the information very reliable.
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Read Trump’s twitter account he threatened him twice the first time immediately after that Cohen testified that Trump lied about when he stopped negotiating with Russia for a Trump tower in Moscow.
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The Russian mob has been thoroughly investigated for years and some live within shouting distance of Trump. When Trump was inaugurated, he was literally surround by Russian mobsters. They have pictures. The Russian paid for much his inauguration parties.
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I have never heard one single person advocate eliminating the constitution.
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You and I know that shooting at the bank was just another gun nut using his gun for what it was designed to do.
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If he had never been hospitalized involuntarily for mental problems, he has an absolute right to buy an arsenal and go hunting humans.
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You are all for the imagined rights but don’t believe in the ones written down.






Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 26 Jan, 2019 08:12 pm
The national security agencies have a problem with Trump. The problem is that if Trump was an agent for Russia, they would expect him to act in a certain way and that is exactly how Trump acts. Russia has been pushing to get America out of Syria. Trump pulled the troops out of Syria against the advice of our military. When it came down to believing 17 of our National Security agencies or believing Putin, Trump believed Putin saying Putin strongly denied he had anything to do with trying to fix the election for Trump. Trump use of a Russian agent question him at a campaign rally to take a well-prepared position sanctions on Russia. All Trumps answers in that rally were off the cuff only one response showed the signs of being a prepared response and that was his position on Russia. With only one Russian agent at the rally isn’t funny she was called on to pose a question to Trump. When Obama put more sanctions on Russia over their election interference in our election Putin quickly stated he would retaliate in kind. The Trump administration contacted Russia and told Putin the sanctions would be taken care of when Trump took office. Putin backed off and did not retaliate. Congress put even more sanctions on Russia after Trump took office Trump refused to sign the bill that put the sanctions on Russia and the senate overrode his veto 98 to 2. Now Congress has put even more sanctions on Russia for the killing of a former Russian spy living in England. The Trump administration refuse to put the sanctions in place.

This is the first time in history that a sitting American president ever to be placed under investigation for being an agent of a foreign enemy power. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, there is a good chance he is an agent working for Russia.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Sun 27 Jan, 2019 10:16 pm
What is really hard to believe is that there really are some people in America who thinks Trump will be reelected. We all think we know what reality is but that is not true we all experience life through the lens of our “personal reality.” To be sure there are some personal realities that are closer to actual reality than others and there are those that their personal reality is far more distant from reality. What Trump has accomplished is demonstrate how radically different personal realities are in America today. Personal realities are colored by self-interest. We are all subject to adopt the life views of those we respect, this gives us an outline that we fill in. We pick out pieces of the puzzle that confirm our world view, but we reject pieces that are counter to our world view as irrelevant. Our world view is like the lines of a coloring book that we can’t color outside the lines.

Never has this been more evident in America as it is today as some discuss Trump’s second term while others can’t wait for him to be impeached. Something is different in America today we were attacked by a foreign power and it was much more than an ordinary cyber-attack. This was a sophisticated psychological attack by the Russian military, but many Americans have no problem with the Russian military working to get Trump elected. There is something else at work here people like to be consistent once they make a decision, they will support that decision and look for things that confirm that decision. Most of Trump voters had already made the decision to vote for Trump before the story of the Russian attack took place. To no longer support Trump would be a blow to their self-confidence so as more and more details of the Russian attack come out those pieces to the puzzle are simply irrelevant to their world view. Rule one is you must be consistent.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2019 02:45 pm
@Zardoz,
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58 people killed by a gunman and 68 people killed by an international terrorist organization.

Wrong again. 58 people killed by a gunman, 68 people killed by a guy in a truck. Does the 68 people dead mean less because it was inspired by ISIS?

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When the president of the United States says the KKK and Neo-Nazis are “fine people” that is respect.

That's not actually what was said.

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Most of the illegals got here legally with a visas or other programs and simply stayed.

Wrong, a majority of illegal immigrants cross the border, only about 45% of illegal immigrants are from visa overstays, so about 55% of illegal immigrants come across the border illegally.

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A publicized program of deporting them might make others think twice about overstaying in the first place.

How can we deport them, the MSM and the leftist politicians would just try to stop deportations from taking place, you know, find a friendly judge and have them rule against what Trump wants to do.

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If a law exist without a penalaty people will ignore. A law without enforcement is worthless. What about the Canadian border? They walk back and forth all the time and that is the border the terrorists use.

You said the key phrase, they walk back and forth... Canadian immigrants don't come to the US and then stay.

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Dreamers had no intent to break any law, but they were under the absolute control of their parents and had no choice in the matter.

So? They are still illegal immigrants who are in the country illegally. Why should we give a break to non-citizens when US citizens are Dreamers as well? Why should the dreams of non-citizens be more important than the dreams of citizens?

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If you have a law, you either enforce it or abolish it.

The leftists in the US refuse to enforce US immigration laws, in fact they call them racist and bigoted...

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The primary source of funding for primary education comes from county property taxes.

And? That would put a stop to the BS you are pushing about tax breaks and federal spending.

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Things had been cut so far that the school system could not hire substitute teachers. When teachers called in sick the students went to study hall. We had people on city council that thought you could keep cutting even after every possible cut had already been made.

Better school spending is always the answer. A majority of school districts waste money on stupid things that are not needed in the school. Denver Public Schools is a perfect example, they have 1 school administrator for every 1 teacher, the rest of the school districts in CO have on average of 1 admin per 5 teachers and even that is way to many administrators. It's the non-essential overhead that is killing the schools.

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There is an average pay for college professors in America.

Is the average pay for a women's study professor equal to that of a STEM professor? If they are about the same, then that is an issue. We can agree that people with degree's in STEM are substantially more important to society than a women's study professor. The pay shouldn't be equal for these 2 types of professors.

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A severance tax is a tax placed on coal, oil, gas, limestone and other minerals for depleting natural resources.

It serves no purpose to the average person, it only does something for the politicians who are greedy.

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The Political Actions Committees now spend the lions share of the money in any election and none of that is counted as a political contribution.

That doesn't change the fact that Obama and Hillary each made more than $1 Billion in campaign contributions, and neither of their challengers came close. If we look at PAC's, you would be interested to know the money went the DNC way:
PRESIDENTIAL Total :$415,212,682
For DNC : $44,693,892
Against DNC : $108,759,084
For GOP: $49,993,946
Against GOP: $208,150,313
Pro DNC: 252,844,205
Pro GOP: 158,753,030
Difference : 94,091,175
So with just the PAC's accounted for, it was a $94 million plus for the DNC and leftists candidates.
https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/summ.php?cycle=2016&disp=R&pty=A&type=G

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Did you find that out on Face Book?

Did I find what on FB? Without my words in quote, how do I know what you are talking about.

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When I worked as a mechanic the city paid for training that went on all year long. When I was in the inspection department the city paid for training and required certifications. They didn’t do that out of the goodness of their heart they did it because it benefited them.

No wonder you are a socialist, you haven't had to pay for any of your own training, sounds like you have been sucking off of the govt tit for most of your life.

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All societies have offered some sort of minimum standard of living to those who can’t make it on their own.

All societies, modern and old?

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The vast majority of students can no longer afford a college education.

You can thank the schools and govt for that. College's and Universities have no need to control costs when the govt is guaranteeing payment. If you knew you were going to get paid regardless of what you charged, would you be worried about costs?

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They cannot justify the huge amount of debt. When the numbers are actually crunched working at Wal Mart pays more when the loan and interest are factored in. The cost of living in other countries would have to be factored in to find who spends the most on education.

People shouldn't be going to an expensive college for a worthless degree. There are way too many worthless degree's that cost the same as an important degree.

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The cost of living in other countries would have to be factored in to find who spends the most on education.

The US spends the most on k-12 education than most other countries and we have some of the worst results.

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How are you going to enforce our laws in those foreign countries if we can’t even enforce laws in this country?

What are you talking about? We can't enforce our laws in other countries, our laws only apply to our country. Our Constitution only applies to Americans when they are in America, those rights don't go with you.

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I got a notice from Amazon that if I didn’t continue to pay them $13 a month, I would not have access to anything.

That's because you are part of their book club, you should read the fine print on things. I don't use their book club, I actually pay full price for my books so I don't have to worry about them going away.

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The first reader developed a virus in the first-year. Somethings work but access to the internet is spotty, but it does not function correctly. Don’t be sure you will always have access to your books.

Sorry to tell you, but you can't get a virus on your e-reader unless you are installing 3rd party programs or downloading books not from Amazon.

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I looked at all the mass shooting in Colorado one year and everyone met the criteria. Mass shooting are one where four or more people are killed or injured with a fire arm.

Fact's, links, proof?

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The people that hold on to the guns are not professional criminals. Someone that kills his wife on the spur of the moment is not thinking straight. Crimes of passion are not done by professional criminals.

So you are looking a the smallest minority of those types of crimes to prove some sort of point?

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Read Trump’s twitter account he threatened him twice the first time immediately after that Cohen testified that Trump lied about when he stopped negotiating with Russia for a Trump tower in Moscow.

Sorry, I don't have a twitter account. Threats on Twitter?

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The Russian mob has been thoroughly investigated for years and some live within shouting distance of Trump. When Trump was inaugurated, he was literally surround by Russian mobsters. They have pictures. The Russian paid for much his inauguration parties.

Facts, links, proof?

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I have never heard one single person advocate eliminating the constitution.

Good ol' Beto out of Texas was just questioning the Constitution in the last month or so. Leftists do it all the time when they don't get their way. Much like the EC, they lost now it needs to be changed...

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You and I know that shooting at the bank was just another gun nut using his gun for what it was designed to do.

He was a nut, reading about his history, he had issues with such things in the past and talked about death. No word on where or how he got his gun.

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If he had never been hospitalized involuntarily for mental problems, he has an absolute right to buy an arsenal and go hunting humans.

He can own the guns, but murder is illegal.

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You are all for the imagined rights but don’t believe in the ones written down.

What imagined rights have I talked about? I've talked about rights we actually do have, like the right to own a gun. If rights have to be written down, what right covers abortion? If the only rights we have are the ones written down, where is abortion written down?





Zardoz
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2019 11:22 pm
@Baldimo,
A foreign military organization is far better at killing than an amateur.
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“Trump defended the white nationalists who protested in Charlottesville on Tuesday, saying they included some “very fine people,” You were right I left out “very.”
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It looks like you get all your information from the white nationalist who make it up just like their hero Trump.
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Your figures are hopelessly out of date by at least 10 years. Anytime you see Pew think “pew” their numbers stink. A much more recent study from the Center for Migration Studies shows that 2/3 of illegals in 2017 were those that overstayed their visas.
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Illegals are deported every day.
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I live in what is called the tri-state area where WV, OH, and KY meet. People go back and forth between states to work, shop and for entertainment. The towns on the Mexican border work the same way people go back and forth all the time. Most cities have a twin city on the other side of the border and much of their economics depends on people crossing the border to shop or for entertainment and they see no need for a wall. If walls were placed between WV, KY and OH many businesses would close. It seems illegal border crossing have skyrocketed on the Canadian border while they are nearing an all-time low on the Mexican border. Maybe Canada should build a wall.
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How would you like to be deported to Saudi Araba because it was suddenly discovered your parents illegally immigrated from Saudi Araba? You don’t speak the language, you don’t know the customs.
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You either enforce the law or abolish it. It looks like Trump Jr fired a bunch of illegals one that had worked at Trump’s golf course for 15 years. Suddenly it is getting to hot to have all the illegals working at Trump’s businesses. The IRS employees are mad as hell and Trump is going to pay. The IRS employees know how many dead people are paying social security at Trump’s businesses. Pay back is hell. Why after 15 years?
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You need to know how educations is funded so we know who the Republicans are ripping off by making them immune to property taxes everyone else has to pay. Talking about taking candy from a baby.
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It is called the “Peter Principal” it happens in all businesses they all become top with administrative employees and must go through a correction. In the Peter Principals states all employees are promoted to their level of incompetence. Once they are promoted to a job they can’t do someone else must be hired to that job and the employee is given a lateral “promotion” to shuffle paper. This process continues until a correction. This is a management problem not a union problem.
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I don’t know how they arrive at the salaries for different professors. Since they are administrative positions, I suspect supply and demand plays a part. Math and science professors may be in short supply as opposed to English teachers and might command a higher salary. I ran have marathons with a Marshall Math professor and caught a ride with him one day in his 1988 Nissan it didn’t appear he was over paid.
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The theory behind the severance tax was that the valuable natural resources belonged to the state residents at least in part and as they were depleted the state was worth less. The city Huntington for there part wasted the money on the Civic Center that bought drug addicts in to sing the praises of drug use.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ By looking at figures it is evident the value of the Russian contribution to Trump’s election is not factored in. I would have to spend some time studying the figures because they defy common sense. No doubt the democrat’s totals are contributions of smaller denominations which reflect contributions from individuals of modest means.
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I think you find most of your references from what the Russian Military posts on Face Book or they send you e-mail.
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If ford builds a new transmission it was necessary to send a mechanic to Detroit for a week to learn how to repair it. Of course, there is always the alternative you tear it down and after the first four or five you get one right. That is far more expensive, but you pay me now or pay me later. Mistakes with machinery can be very expensive. The foreman at work replaced a pump that cost $5,000 on a flusher truck the trouble was it still would not pump. I fixed it by replacing an $8 rubber diaphragm that let the pump draw air. Education is a cheap alternative.
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All societies modern and old.
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You can’t cut the money going to colleges every year for the last 50 years to give bigger and bigger tax cuts to the ungodly greedy and expect to provide college educations. The country can’t sustain a steady stream of tax cuts for the ungodly greedy and expect to be able to invest in the next generation.
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If everybody got a math degree, we would be in a mess. There has to be diversity of degrees in a number of subjects to make the country strong.
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Many of the schools in America insist on teaching fairy tales which are in direct conflict with science and home schooling is far worse. Much of the money is spent teaching those fairy tales.

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Any time you are talking about enforcing copyright laws in other countries you have to realize that you can’t enforce law against illegals in this country. They can’t even keep track of those who visas which expire.
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Sorry I never joined any book club. I ordered a few books a year ago and the charge didn’t show up till six months later. Bezos is getting a divorce and needs to raise some cash to pay his wife off. The charge was for Amazon Prime not a book club and I seldom buy anything from Amazon.
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What I can tell for sure is that it impossible to download anything on that e-reader and I was told that it had a virus. The e-reader also was used to read e-mail the source of most viruses.
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We went through those mass shooting before, remember and I listed each one. It is on this thread somewhere.
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The point is criminals are smart enough to use stolen guns.
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Threats on twitter? It was all over the national news for days. Just do a search for “Trump threatens Cohen father-in-law.”
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You really do have to spend some time watching the national news and an occasional news program. The picture of him surround by the Russian mob came from his inauguration and it has been shown many times on television. That picture reminds me of pictures of Al Capone surround by his gang but at least Capone was surrounded by Americans. I can’t link a photo shown on Meet the Press Daily.
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Times change and the Founding Fathers clearly understood the Constitution would have to change with the times and so they designed it that way.
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All you need is for one blood vessel to break in your head and the next thing you know you are out killing people. I have an uncle that has been a gun collector all his life. He is older now with dementia and is beginning to get violent. His doctor told him he must get rid of his guns. He did get rid of the guns but has since purchased more. The chances of him killing someone are likely but he can’t do without the guns. Just because your sane today does not guarantee you will be sane tomorrow. Some medications can put someone over the edge.
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Murder may be illegal but that never stopped anyone that really wanted to murder people. They had one on ID this morning where and FBI agent’s son took his AR-15 out to the local lover’s lane and killed two people and he told his friends he just wanted to see how it felt to kill people with his AR-15.
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You talk about inalienable right and it seems they are anything you imagine them to be at the time. If you have any rights at all it would to be to control the biological processes of your own body. If you don’t have that you don’t have any rights at all.
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2019 01:38 pm
@Zardoz,
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A foreign military organization is far better at killing than an amateur.

ISIS is considered a military organization?

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“Trump defended the white nationalists who protested in Charlottesville on Tuesday, saying they included some “very fine people,” You were right I left out “very.”

Except that isn't what was said.
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“What about the alt-left that came charging at, as you say, at the alt-right?” Trump said. “Do they have any semblance of guilt?”
“I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me,” he said.
“You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists,” Trump said. “The press has treated them absolutely unfairly.”
“You also had some very fine people on both sides,” he said.


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Your figures are hopelessly out of date by at least 10 years. Anytime you see Pew think “pew” their numbers stink. A much more recent study from the Center for Migration Studies shows that 2/3 of illegals in 2017 were those that overstayed their visas.

Wrong again, the article I pulled my stats, Politifact, was from Aug 2018:
https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2018/aug/24/kevin-mccarthy/mostly-true-visa-overstays-account-half-all-people/

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Illegals are deported every day.

Not enough, we still have well over 15 million illegal immigrants in the US, and the leftists are protecting them with sancutary city policies.

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I live in what is called the tri-state area where WV, OH, and KY meet. People go back and forth between states to work, shop and for entertainment. The towns on the Mexican border work the same way people go back and forth all the time. Most cities have a twin city on the other side of the border and much of their economics depends on people crossing the border to shop or for entertainment and they see no need for a wall. If walls were placed between WV, KY and OH many businesses would close. It seems illegal border crossing have skyrocketed on the Canadian border while they are nearing an all-time low on the Mexican border. Maybe Canada should build a wall.

So much nonsense in one place. You can't build a barrier between states, but you can build one between countries. No one in Mexico has the right to "shop" in the US, they have the right to shop in Mexico. As for Canada, it's suppose to be such a great country with all of their socialism, why would they cross into the US?

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How would you like to be deported to Saudi Araba because it was suddenly discovered your parents illegally immigrated from Saudi Araba? You don’t speak the language, you don’t know the customs.

Suddenly discovered? The parents knew they were breaking the law, they should have been honest with their children and told them they weren't US citizens. Our govt has no responsibility for the lies told by parents to their non-citizen children.

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You either enforce the law or abolish it. It looks like Trump Jr fired a bunch of illegals one that had worked at Trump’s golf course for 15 years. Suddenly it is getting to hot to have all the illegals working at Trump’s businesses. The IRS employees are mad as hell and Trump is going to pay. The IRS employees know how many dead people are paying social security at Trump’s businesses. Pay back is hell. Why after 15 years?


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You either enforce the law or abolish it.

That's the problem with leftists, they don't want the laws enforced, hence the sanctuary city policies going against Federal Law.

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You need to know how educations is funded so we know who the Republicans are ripping off by making them immune to property taxes everyone else has to pay. Talking about taking candy from a baby.

Immune to property taxes? Stop making things up, it's just silly to think the wealthy are not paying property taxes.

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It is called the “Peter Principal” it happens in all businesses they all become top with administrative employees and must go through a correction. In the Peter Principals states all employees are promoted to their level of incompetence. Once they are promoted to a job they can’t do someone else must be hired to that job and the employee is given a lateral “promotion” to shuffle paper. This process continues until a correction. This is a management problem not a union problem.

Schools are not private businesses, they waste our taxpayer money when they hire that many administrators.

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I don’t know how they arrive at the salaries for different professors.

Neither do I, but I can tell you that most of them are overpaid.

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Since they are administrative positions, I suspect supply and demand plays a part.

Not even close, such places don't care about "supply and demand".

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Math and science professors may be in short supply as opposed to English teachers and might command a higher salary.

Might? For all the BS you talk about private business, you sure don't know how your taxpayer money is spent.

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The theory behind the severance tax was that the valuable natural resources belonged to the state residents at least in part and as they were depleted the state was worth less. The city Huntington for there part wasted the money on the Civic Center that bought drug addicts in to sing the praises of drug use.

How does a resource that resides under someone's property belong to the state? Wouldn't the resource rights belong to the person who own's the land?

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By looking at figures it is evident the value of the Russian contribution to Trump’s election is not factored in. I would have to spend some time studying the figures because they defy common sense. No doubt the democrat’s totals are contributions of smaller denominations which reflect contributions from individuals of modest means.

Keep spinning your wheels.

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I think you find most of your references from what the Russian Military posts on Face Book or they send you e-mail.

Nope, no Facebook sources. I find everything online from reputable sources, unlike you complete lack of sources. I actually provide the links for what I say.

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All societies modern and old.

This means nothing without context.

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You can’t cut the money going to colleges every year for the last 50 years to give bigger and bigger tax cuts to the ungodly greedy and expect to provide college educations. The country can’t sustain a steady stream of tax cuts for the ungodly greedy and expect to be able to invest in the next generation.

Wrong, we the people have no responsibility to provide college level education for everyone. You continue to live in a fantasy world where you think the money people makes belongs to the govt for their own needs.

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If everybody got a math degree, we would be in a mess. There has to be diversity of degrees in a number of subjects to make the country strong.

Pointless and relates to nothing I said.

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Many of the schools in America insist on teaching fairy tales which are in direct conflict with science and home schooling is far worse. Much of the money is spent teaching those fairy tales.

You are so out of touch, you don't even realize what schools teach. If you are worried about fairy tales being told in school, they should cut out all the BS on Climate Change.

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Sorry I never joined any book club. I ordered a few books a year ago and the charge didn’t show up till six months later. Bezos is getting a divorce and needs to raise some cash to pay his wife off. The charge was for Amazon Prime not a book club and I seldom buy anything from Amazon.

Sounds like Amazon Unlimited. Amazon Prime costs about $100 a year, Amazon Unlimited is $9.99 a month. That's the only service where they "take the books away". When you pay for a book, you own it and they can't take it away.

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What I can tell for sure is that it impossible to download anything on that e-reader and I was told that it had a virus. The e-reader also was used to read e-mail the source of most viruses.

Sorry to tell you again, but e-readers don't get a virus. Now you might have one of those color Kindle Fire tablets, which isn't an e-reader, it's a tablet. My Paper White from Kindle is a black and white reader and can't get a virus.

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We went through those mass shooting before, remember and I listed each one. It is on this thread somewhere.

A bias source is a bias source.

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The point is criminals are smart enough to use stolen guns.

You are giving criminals way to much credit, if they were smart they wouldn't be criminals.

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Threats on twitter? It was all over the national news for days. Just do a search for “Trump threatens Cohen father-in-law.”

More BS reporting from the bias MSM.

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You really do have to spend some time watching the national news and an occasional news program. The picture of him surround by the Russian mob came from his inauguration and it has been shown many times on television. That picture reminds me of pictures of Al Capone surround by his gang but at least Capone was surrounded by Americans. I can’t link a photo shown on Meet the Press Daily.

Links, proof, facts?

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Times change and the Founding Fathers clearly understood the Constitution would have to change with the times and so they designed it that way.

So? Doesn't mean you leftists have the votes needed to change the Constitution.

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All you need is for one blood vessel to break in your head and the next thing you know you are out killing people.

You have a sickness.

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I have an uncle that has been a gun collector all his life. He is older now with dementia and is beginning to get violent. His doctor told him he must get rid of his guns. He did get rid of the guns but has since purchased more. The chances of him killing someone are likely but he can’t do without the guns. Just because your sane today does not guarantee you will be sane tomorrow. Some medications can put someone over the edge.

More anti-gun fantasy.

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Murder may be illegal but that never stopped anyone that really wanted to murder people. They had one on ID this morning where and FBI agent’s son took his AR-15 out to the local lover’s lane and killed two people and he told his friends he just wanted to see how it felt to kill people with his AR-15.

With over 300,000,000 guns in the US, our murder rate is only about 13k per year. Stats don't fit your propaganda.

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You talk about inalienable right and it seems they are anything you imagine them to be at the time. If you have any rights at all it would to be to control the biological processes of your own body. If you don’t have that you don’t have any rights at all.

I'm still wondering how abortion is Constitutional when it isn't even written in the Constitution? Duck and dodge all you want, but you were the one who claimed a "right" not written down isn't a right.








Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2019 10:23 pm
@Baldimo,
Let’s just say that ISIS is in the business of killing people, they are professionals.
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The quote was exact “very fine people on both sides.” When was the last time a politician called the Neo-Nazis “very fine people?” Never.
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Your quote is not the original it came only after the whole country condemned Trump’s previous remarks and the members of his administration were resigning left and right over his first remarks. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
What the right is pushing is figures they got from Immigration and Naturalization Department 10 years ago which factored the 200,000 a year border captures and not the 15,000 a year now. We have the source you just didn’t read the article. The article that Pew used the 10-year-old figures to come up with the number. If you will read the full article it tells you that they only counted the aliens that arrived by air and sea meaning none of the aliens that got here crossing the land with visas were counted in those figures. Meaning there are far more aliens that got here with visa then illegally crossing the border.

“It also projected that overstays made up about two-thirds of the total number of people who became unauthorized immigrants that year (2014).”

From your source.
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The ungodly greedy and people like Trump have been importing illegals for years and it will take years to deport them. Rome wasn’t built in a day.
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You don’t get the point, if you build the wall the borders cities economies will collapse because the majority of their business is coming from Mexico. The border crossing at the Canadian border are the Americans fleeing Trump and the Neo-Nazis.
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You have to be able to walk a mile in someone else’s shoes.
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I really don’t have a problem with enforcing the law given the chance I did just that, but we all understood that as soon as they were deported, they would just come back across the border.
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The law pending in the WV legislature does exactly that by exempting business machinery and inventory. This would take 100s of millions off the county tax rolls. The residents would still pay property tax on their cars, campers and boats but the car dealer with hundreds of cars on his lot would be exempt.
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The Peter Principal is applicable to all organizations you should read the book.
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When compared to other professionals with comparable educations they are underpaid.
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Supply and demand is a cornerstone principal of capitalism and you are saying it doesn’t work.
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I beg to differ, I attended every budget meeting the city had for 14 years when the budget was being drawn up. Some years 30 meetings were held. As union president I had to know where every penny was spent or where it was hidden. We knew more about the budgets than the councilmen. You can’t negotiate a contract until you knew where the money was hidden. I spent 100s of hours watching budgets being drawn up.

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No in most cases it doesn’t you may own the property but someone else owns the mineral rights. Coal companies typically cheat the land owners out of their share by telling the land owner or the owner of the mineral rights that they had hit rock under his property and couldn’t mine it. After they showed the land owner why he would not get his cut they go around the obstruction and mine the property and pocket the land owner share. Natural resources are considered at least in part to belong to the state.
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There is no doubt the Russian military’s hard work was responsible for Trumps election. What went unnoticed before is that the Russians had offered their help in several presidential elections going back to 1964. But the Russian help was turned down by every presidential candidate except Trump who jumped at the chance.
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You are posting misinformation that the Russian Military is responsible for posting. I can always post the title of an article which a simple search will find it easily.
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Only the right would advocate starving children to death.
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If we do not educate the next generation there is no future for America. When the country was started indentured servants was the way the next generation was educated.
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You do realize that your opinion is just that an opinion because you think it is a worthless degree doesn’t make it so. It takes a number of different fields of study to accomplish a project.
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At $13.97 a month it comes to $167.40 a year. When I called Amazon, they had no explanation for the charges, but it was billed as Amazon Prime. The charges were taken off, but I received an e-mail listing all the things that I would lose if I canceled the account.
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I do have a Kindle Fire, but the problem is with another earlier model that is also a tablet.
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None are so blind as those who refuse to see.
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There may be some dumb criminals, but it is a way life to others, and they take pride in their work just like anyone else.
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Reported by NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, The New York Times, The Washington Post and just about any other respectable news organization in America reported on Trump’s threats. There is no bias possible in reporting trump’s Tweets word for word.
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You can’t do a link to picture on television, but you can read “House of Trump House of Putin: The Untold Story of Donald Trump and the Russian Mafia”
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When the constitution needs changed the votes will be there.
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Because you have good health today does not mean you will have it tomorrow. Mental changes can and do take place just as physical health can be lost one’s mental health can also be lost.
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Do you have any doubt that people get dementia? Some people suffer from dementia as early as their 50s. Do you think they would not kill you because they think you are going to harm them? It doesn’t have to be true they just have to believe it is true.
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No, you don’t get to count just the murders you have to take credit for all 40,000 deaths by guns, the accidental ones, the suicides and all those killed looking down the barrel of an “empty” gun.
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If anything, one has an absolute right to control the biological processes of one’s body.

 

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