Actually, if the NRA had shown some interest in preventing the wrong sorts of people from having access to guns or helping cities stem the flow of illegal weapons I think people would have a much better opinion of that group.
You are absolutely obsessed with pistol grips.
You might want go ahead and buy them up just in case they are banned one day. I don’t believe it will ever happen but...
I don’t think anybody needs a grenade launcher on their AR-15. It might just be me but they can already kill 59 people at a time he does not need to cause anymore damage.
But the pistol grip is not banned only a combination triggers the ban.
Mass murders in America are increasing at close to a geometric rate banning assault weapons is the only possible solution.
Assault weapons are designed to fire many more bullets at a faster rate.
In fact, the very design was intended to let one man commit mass murder.
America is already a battlefield and assault weapons are making far worse.
The NRA is totally owned by the gun manufacturers it is their slave and exists only to do their bidding.
all you have to do is follow the money trail to see that the gun manufacturers own the NRA.
The NRA exist for one reason only that is to be a front for the gun manufacturers associations agenda so they can hide behind it.
The NRA agenda led directly to the deaths of thousands of people.
Many drugs are banned for the same reason that assault weapons should be banned.
Do you think it is unconstitutional to ban dangerous drugs?
The Heller decision clearly state that limits can be placed on the second amendment.
Your position is there are absolutely no limits on the second amendment
even that the second amendments entitles to all future inventions.
Assault weapons are not normal weapons they are weapons of war designed to fight wars with.
It is not pistol grips that we are banning it is assault weapons.
The second amendment is the most abused amendment in the constitution.
There is no history after an atomic bomb.
If you follow your reasoning then we could not stop people from yelling fire in a crowded theater. We could not prevent slander.
The first amendment has certainly been limited by legislation and the second amendment is going to be limited whether the gun manufacturers like it or not.
I think that you use pistol grip as a being synonymous for assault weapon.
They are not a pistol grip is just a handle.
If you mean assault weapons just say it instead of trying to hide behind the handle.
The assault weapon ban is not about pistol grips.
When survivors of Las Vegas shooting said when the shooting started they thought it was fire crackers or part of the show. So, they did not react until they were splattered by the brains of the people next to them. In concert the venue is made to contain people and keep others out. The crowd is large the exists are few and over crowed. It was like shooting fish in barrel. Where ever the bullets hit they would hit someone. Schools are the same most students were locked in class rooms and when the shooter shot the doors open there is only one way out past the shooter. If 3,000 students try to get out the few exists the shooters just fires at will. One of these days you may be at a mall and when the shooting starts you will see that running away is much more difficult than what you imagine.
The NRA didn’t overturn the last assault weapon ban and they won’t overturn the next one either.
If you mean assault weapons just say assault weapons not pistol grips.
Why do you think the inventor of the AR-15 was granted a patent and the US Army changed to M-16 based on the AR-15?
The AR-15 is a quantum improvement over anything in existence.
The only difference is the speed the trigger can be pulled
and we know even the AR-15 can fire a hundred rounds a minute.
That is a lot of power far more then is needed.
Assault weapons are not designed to be aimed just pointed in the general direction and watch where the bullets are hitting.
Sorry if they don’t agree why do you think they are lying in public because they all seems to agree that the AR-15 is just a Sh*ts and giggles gun?
The pistol grip doesn’t make a difference once the assault weapon has been removed from it.
Do you think the shooter with an AR-15 is going to stop firing and let you shoot him?
A gun fight is far different than what NRA members imagine. We had two guys in a trailer in a gun fight they fired 18 rounds between them and no one was hit in a trailer. When you have a hundred rounds a minute coming at you it is hard not to get a shot and most likely when you stick your head out your dead. The LA Police found out real quick that a number of LA policemen were no match for bank robbers with assault weapons.
They had to go to a nearby gun store and get an assault weapon to continue the fight.
If six professionals didn’t stand a chance do you think a school teacher with a cap pistol would have a chance?
If we can save just one life from a drunk driver wouldn't it be worth it? I mean how much damage is done to people and property from people being drunk and not being able to control themselves?
Good point! Alcohol is a factor in nearly half of all homicides.
A ban on air conditioners is not a ban on cars and a ban on pistol grips is not a ban on guns.
The 2nd amendment does not grant you the right to every weapon that has been invented in the last 100 years. Grenade launchers are not guns, by any stretch of the imagination.
We have a government and courts for a reason. The word gun had a very specific and clear meaning when the second amendment was written anything beyond that meaning is subject to regulation by the government.
Pistol grips are not the real problem, designing assault weapons to fire 900 rounds a minute is what make mass murder so easy. During a discussion on Meet the Press Daily today one of the panel members speculated that the typical gun at the time the second amendment was written was capable of firing only one round a minute. By installing a timer that would limit the assault weapons to firing only one round a minute would at least give the children a fighting chance to run to safety and a window when the gun could be taken away by bystanders. Then the gun nuts could still go bang, bang but help protect the public.
If banning pistol grips would prevent the sale of even one assault weapon it would be a good start.
The gun debate is not all about pistol grips it is about military style assault weapons.
When you design a gun to fire 900 rounds a minute it wasn’t designed to hunt deer with it. If you need that to defend your home, it must be from an invading army or maybe a zombie apocalypse.
You are absolutely obsessed with pistol grips there is a whole gun and the pistol grip is just an accessory.
What we are finding out now is that the NRA does the Russian bidding. The contributions to the NRA dropped by $53 million this year no one has said whether that was just the Russian money or not. The NRA members have little say over what the NRA does, but the gun manufacturers have a huge say because of their multi-million-dollar contributions they make each year. The member that pays his $29.99 or whatever is like someone who owns one stock of Amazon has very little to say at the Board of Director’s meeting. The same thing can be said for NRA members.
That is much like saying if air conditioners are banned it is a ban on cars.
Specific features of guns could be banned without banning guns or violating the 2nd amendment.
Banning bump stalks would be a current example.
A ban on air conditioners is not a ban on cars
and a ban on pistol grips is not a ban on guns.
The 2nd amendment does not grant you the right to every weapon that has been invented in the last 100 years.
Grenade launchers are not guns, by any stretch of the imagination.
We have a government and courts for a reason. The word gun had a very specific and clear meaning when the second amendment was written anything beyond that meaning is subject to regulation by the government.
Pistol grips are not the real problem,
designing assault weapons to fire 900 rounds a minute is what make mass murder so easy.
During a discussion on Meet the Press Daily today one of the panel members speculated that the typical gun at the time the second amendment was written was capable of firing only one round a minute. By installing a timer that would limit the assault weapons to firing only one round a minute would at least give the children a fighting chance to run to safety and a window when the gun could be taken away by bystanders. Then the gun nuts could still go bang, bang but help protect the public.
If banning pistol grips would prevent the sale of even one assault weapon it would be a good start.
The gun debate is not all about pistol grips it is about military style assault weapons.
When you design a gun to fire 900 rounds a minute it wasn’t designed to hunt deer with it.
If you need that to defend your home, it must be from an invading army or maybe a zombie apocalypse.
You are absolutely obsessed with pistol grips there is a whole gun and the pistol grip is just an accessory.
The NRA members have little say over what the NRA does, but the gun manufacturers have a huge say because of their multi-million-dollar contributions they make each year. The member that pays his $29.99 or whatever is like someone who owns one stock of Amazon has very little to say at the Board of Director’s meeting. The same thing can be said for NRA members.
The trouble is that guns are easily available. It takes a special type of killer to use a knife.
With a gun the first shot may be fatal if you have a good aim. You can shoot someone from across the room, but you have to be extremely close to stab them. This creates all kinds a problems once the knife gets bloody your hand slips down knife cutting your hand. You usually have to stab the person many times to kill them. This takes time and you are more likely to get caught “red handed.”
You can tell by the death toll 1,604 from knives and sharp objects but 40,000 people are killed with guns.
Guns are a coward’s choice of weapons. If the same cowards had no gun they would walk away, and the death toll would be but a fraction of what it is.
We even had a doctor arrested for shooting at someone during a road rage incident. It is oh so easy to get your gun out of the glove box and start shooting when someone has pissed you off. But if the doctor had had a knife it is unlikely, he would have stabbed the other driver.
The vast majority would not buy a knife because they don’t want a physical confrontation they might lose. The gun is a sure thing.
In other countries where guns are hard to obtain the death rate is a tiny fraction of ours.
Knives don’t pick the slack up in violent deaths
Just as tractors made plowing a field much easier guns make killing easy.
Guns have little effect on the homicide rate?
How is it that a child in America is 36 times less likely to see his 19th birthday in America?
How can you say that 40,000 people killed with guns isn’t a affecting the homicide rate?
So, you believe that there are no differences in guns that they are all just alike.
If you were firing a semi-automatic rifle the kick back from the gun would make you want to stop firing it.
The pistol grip gives you the option of firing it from waist level
and strafing the enemy with hundreds of rounds it makes a very useful weapon of war
but when it used on defenseless civilians, they don’t stand a chance.
Did you ever wonder why the Las Vegas shooter didn’t use any old semi-automatic rifle?
He had his choice of weapons, but he decided on assault weapons to get the maximum number of kills. There is absolutely no doubt the Las Vegas shooter was an expert on what weapons would provide him with the maximum number of kills. Not all cars are designed to do the same thing, sports cars are designed to go fast but SUVs are designed to go off road. At a red light a sports car will leave a SUV behind, but a sports car won’t go thru a muddy field. Guns are designed like that some to hunt with, others for target practice but others are designed to kill large numbers of people at one sitting.
You continue to live in a fantasy where the second amendment has no limits.
The police weapons across the country were traditional 38 sub noses or 357s but after the Florida FBI shoot out and the Los Angles shoot out the guns were replaced across the country with 9mm. At the Los Angles shoot out the policeman got an assault weapon from the gun store.
A model T and a Ford Fusion are both cars but one is much faster than the other guns are exactly the same way. Out of all the thousands of types of guns made why do mass murder choose assault weapons?
All pistols have a pistol grip and pistol grips are not being banned.
Hunters are dangerous enough with one bullet. There are always a few killed each year in WV. I have relatives that hunt and they describe a war zone as a dear heads down the hallow guns are going off on both sides and then when the deer finally dies there is armed confrontation over who’s bullet was the fatal shot. If the deer hunter were using AR-15s the deer would make it an instead of a few dead deer hunters there would be a few hundred. The AR-15s are not known for accuracy they depend on spraying a number of bullets.
Killing 59 people and injuring 841 is certainly qualifies as mass destruction.
No, the NRA is not the reason for banning assault weapons the thousands of people killed and injured by assault weapons is.
The NRA is the enemy because they are a front for the gun manufacturers and fight any and every proposed gun regulation.
An AR-15 is as effective as a machine gun because it can fire more rounds per minute than some machine guns.
It is the AR-15 that is available at your corner gun store that is the problem not those converted to automatics.
The Heller decision makes it clear that limits can be placed on the second amendment and society will decide what those limits are.
The `1994 assault weapon ban did not ban pistol grips
however it did ban assault weapons.
You miss understood what the NRA was up to they were trying to prevent any new gun regulations from being put in place. “The NRA is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law.” The NRA was stalling for time until they could use their army of crooked politicians to bury the bill in committee until the outraged began to subsist. The NRA answers was not one more regulation on the gun manufacturers products.
The bump stock law remained buried just as the NRA directed from Oct 6, 2017 until the FL school shooting took place in Feb 14, 2018. When the NRA’s crooked politician again gave the bump stock ban some lip service and promptly buried the bill again. The NRA will fight any new regulation on guns whatsoever their standard answer is if current laws are enforced there won’t be a problem as long as you believe killing more people than in all of America’s wars in history on American is not a problem.
Trump came right out in public an advocated taking the guns away. Trump was called a “gun grabber” by Breitbart News.
The government cannot use an executive order to ban bump stocks the government must pass a law. Trump cannot make laws on his own.
The government of 330 million people does not need the permission of 5 million-gun nuts to ban any gun.
Pistol grips are not assault weapons.
Assault weapons are the problem
Assault weapons are far more deadly than other weapons.
All of the gun manufacturers are under threat of legal judgement.
The gun manufacturers knew for a fact that their guns were 3 1/2 times more likely that a family member would be killed or injured than a robbery prevented.
Check out how many people that sued the lying companies that manufactured asbestos lost their retirement. There is no difference the second amendment doesn’t grant immunity to manufacturers who consistently lie to market their product.
Remington and the other gun manufacturers will sell even fewer guns in the future.
I posed the article in another post that listed how the gun manufacturers fund the NRA.
The article is: “The Ultimate Guide to American Gun Control Laws”
The NRA exist only in the imagination of its members it is just a front for the Gun Manufacturers.
Why don’t you be honest and say assault weapons instead of pistol grips that is what you really mean.
We can place limits on guns as soon as we get rid of all the crooked politician that are owned by the NRA.
Zardoz wrote:Dick’s Sporting Goods announced that they will stop selling semi-automatics and large capacity clips. Wal Mart had previously stop selling assault weapons and this leaves only one major retailer, Bass Pro-shop still selling death in America.
Having a pistol grip on a rifle is hardly selling death.
But I guess it's time for everyone to stop buying guns from Dick's Sporting Goods and Wal-Mart. Our business should go to vendors who don't want to violate our civil rights.
Gun manufacturers sell death the same way car manufacturers sell transportation. The design purpose of cars is transportation just as the design purpose of guns is death. The intended purpose of guns is to kill.
Pistol grip or no pistol grip the designed purpose of guns is to kill.
A merchant who decides not to sell guns or not to sell guns with pistol grips is simply a business decision on their part it is not a violation of your rights. In a free country a businessman gets to decide what type merchandize they sell.
The gun manufacturers are upset that they can’t make retailers sell their product.
What it does tell up is the public opinion has finally turned against the gun manufacturers.
Field and Stream might have lost some business,
but the NRA lost far more, they lost $55 million in contribution and membership dues and many NRA members have renounced their membership including former President George H W Bush.
The NRA may win a few battles, but they lost the war for public opinion and that is far more important than a few percentage points of sales in a quarter.
The NRA has been exposed for what it is a front organization for the gun manufacturers.
When the choice is between having your children being blown away at their school and losing a few percentage points of business most businessmen will choose the lives of their children.
The NRA is a bully,
and the public is tired of being bullied by the gun manufacturers.
Talk about declines the NRA lost 15% of its income far more than any decline of retail sales at retailers who refuse to sell military style assault weapons.
The Olympics is just another opportunity to hone one’s skill to kill people.
What is would more telling is how many of the Olympic shooters end up killing people during their lifetime?
There are only 5 million NRA members out of 330 million Americans and Dick’s sells far more than guns. Their gun sales would only make up a minor portion of overall sales.
Life on earth will not end if assault weapons are banned.
The NRA lost $55 million in one year does that count?
The NRA has single handedly prevented any meaningful effort to help prevent mass murders in America.
The gun manufacturers (NRA) have one reason and only one reason to exist and that is to sell more guns.
Civil Liberties? How about the right of our children have to not be blown away by gun nuts? The right to continue living far out ranks any right to play bang, bang.
The NRA is a front organization used by the gun manufacturer to promote the sale of guns. It is a puppet organization and the gun manufacturers pull the strings to make the puppet dance.
In fact, everyone is facing a decision, either we let the gun manufacturers continue to bully our government and watch as the mass murders continue to escalate or go after the root cause of the problem the NRA.
Dick’s is not the only big box retailer that restricted gun sales. What about Wal Mart? I see everybody is still shopping there.
The NRA has been wagging the dog for way to long. It is ridiculous that an organization that represents only a tiny portion of the American population was able to get millions of Americans killed.
The gun manufacturers have been the biggest bully in American politics for many years they just hide behind their puppet organization the NRA.
The NRA will soon be like Custer at Little Big Horn.
Mass murder is also illegal, but that fact will never stop mass murderers.
Can’t purchase the military weapons? Don’t kid yourself the AR-15 was so superior to anything the US Military had at the time another version of the AR-15 was made called the M-16 for the military.
You really need to learn the complete history of the AR-15. A gun capable of killing hundreds has only one place a battlefield. Hollywood has nothing at all to do with the history of the AR-15 it speaks for itself.
When people are fired on with military grade weapons, they will do anything to escape and that includes trampling people to death. Every injury was caused by the mass murder whether they were trampled or had a heart attack running away the mass murderer was responsible for every injury he was credited with.
What are you missing? It is quite simple if you are injured at a mass shooting you are counted as one of the injured.
The stories on mass murders usually list just the two categories killed and injured. They did not say all of those injured were shot. In cases where the shooting happens in night club several people might be trampled and killed trying to escape do you think they should not be counted among the dead?
An injury is an injury and if the injury takes place at the scene of a mass murder the mass murderer is the proximate cause and has to be counted as such.
They must be doing something right maybe it is the $54 million drop in contributions to the NRA this year. That money would be used to promote more gun violence.
