The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

The most important part of the Heller decision is clearly that government does have the right to decide what guns will be legal.

The question before the court was specifically about hand guns, gun locks and registration of guns in Washington DC.

Hand guns are not used by professional school shooters they want the AR-15 style assault weapons who literally tear the bodies of school children apart and deliver over 100 rounds a minute into large crowds.

The Heller decision makes it absolutely clear we the people can make those murderous weapons illegal,

it is not we the NRA or we the gun manufacturers that will decide.

The Heller decision states: “Like most rights the second amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever for any purpose and for whatever purpose.”

Heller does not confirm the right to modern weapons.

It confirms the right of government to regulate what weapons will be on the streets of America

The AR-15 and other assault weapons are the most dangerous and deadly weapons on the face of the earth.

They are the choice of all the armies of the world

like I said the most dangerous gun on earth.

I am feel sorry for you. You must have a terrible weight on your soul for every person that was slaughtered with a gun in the last ten years since that decision.

We would still be paying the tea tax England if we were subject their laws.

Certainly, we can draw inspiration from laws of any country but that is all an inspiration. If we decide to use the concept as inspiration for a law than it becomes law but it certainly does not ascend to the level of a “right.”

What of the divine right of kings? What of the tax on tea. What of all the other taxes paid to crown and king?

You certainly can’t pick and chose among English statute and say we are bound by this English statute but not by that English statute.

To be able to derive a right from English law you would have to take all of the English laws.

I know that some court made a practice of this.

We made are own bill of right.

If some English laws apply than England gun laws must also apply and they are far stricter than anything America has ever seen.

There very strict gun laws are in fact derived from the cases you cite.

If we adopt the strict English laws will that make you happy as you think we are bound ancient ones?

Law is alive

it changes if the English are in fact bound to those laws and got a far different result and it saves the lives 50,000 people a year.

The test under law is what a reasonable man would all rights are not without limits.

Assaults weapons are unreasonable trespass of the right of others.

Any army in world would love to have the assault weapons that have flooded the streets of America.

The pistol grip has nothing to do with next assault weapon ban.

Law changes for a good reason.

Can you imagine living under laws written by people with a first or second education from 200 years ago?

English gun laws are based on the same cases you want to use to justify our lack of gun regulations.

I don’t think there is one instance where the Founding Fathers said that English law was hereby adopted by the constitution.

After fighting a long and bloody war with England I doubt any of the Founding Fathers would adopt English law.

There were laws already in practice that would have continued to be used. You are right the US Constitution would replace English and grant any rights.

Do you believe for a minute that the same people who are sending $100s of millions to get progun politicians elected did not take the ban to court? It won’t work any better then it did before.

After all, if the English cases you cite rule you may not have any guns at all.

Those are the exact quotes from the Heller decision there is nothing about a compelling interest.

In America we kill enough people to stretch around the globe that is far more than a compelling reason.

The flu kills 50,000 people each year and it is a leading story on the nightly news each night but the fact that guns kill 50,000 has been ignored for too long.

If the NRA was progun control they won because clearly establish the right of government to decide which guns are allowed on the street.

The Heller case was the NRA’s Waterloo.

If an assault weapon ban was illegal the 1994 assault weapon ban would have been overturned it wasn’t.

pistol grips had nothing to do with the assault weapon ban.

Civil Rights are specific and none grant the right to a gun.

If a 270 Winchester does more damage why do professional school shooters always use AR-15 or similar assault weapons?

THE 270 is a bolt action single shot.

There other model numbers which are semi-automatic and others that are fully automatic.

Damage comes from more than the barrel velocity

it how many rounds that can be fired per minute.

If the 270 does so much damage why was it not chosen by armies around the world? Because it does not inflict the most.

We have yet to see a mass murder at a school done with a 270 Winchester and you must admit school shooters know their guns.

Laws against murder have no meaning to a school shooter they want to die so no law will ever stop them. The best we can ever hope to do is to keep the weapons of war out of their hands.

There is one way and one way only to stop the shootings take the weapons of mass destruction away.

The FL shooting is called the 2nd St Valentines massacre and of course the 1st St Valentines Massacre took place Feb 14, 1929 and it provided the motivation to get rid of the Thompson submachine gun.

Didn’t the Thompson have a pistol grip? How many of those can you find in your corner store.

Come on a grenade launchers, do you really think school shooters should have a grenade launcher?

Of course, the varmints that are killed by AR-15 these days are school children.

The Heller decision means that we the people will decide what type of weapons are legal.

Clubs were weapons of war at one time also you can have one them. Swords were used for wars also you can have one of them.

Conservatives are always big on state rights until people actually wants state rights to ban AR-15 and then the Conservatives want federal protection for gun rights.

Fifty thousand deaths a year is a pretty good reason.

Oralloy, you may like living in battlefield but more and more Americans have decided they no longer want to and that is why America is ruled by the majority.

They do all have a common feature they are used to wage wars.

Where do you think the $130 million dollars spent on the 2016 came from? I have article for you to read that shows how the Gun Manufacturers fund the NRA: “How the Gun Manufacturers Funnel Tens of Millions of Dollars to the NRA.” Sorry but you are very wrong.

The NRA would not know a civil right if it ran over them in the parking lot.

The NRA once was a grass roots organization but once it was taken over by gun manufacturers the agenda was changed and new mission was to sell death to America.

A pistol grip alone was not enough for a ban of any weapon.

Federal law supersedes state law and both Federal and state law supersede local laws. It does not matter in anyway what state law says if it is in conflict with Federal law. The Laws against machine guns and howitzer are Federal.

Pistol grips don’t kill school children

AR-15s do.

The overthrow the government has been the primary justification used for guns in this country.

My money would be on the biggest army in the world not any movement of farmers.

That argument is absurd, the bill of rights does not restrict the government it grants a right

the government must put limits on those rights.

Fifty thousand people killed a year by guns is a good reason.

While you are firing a 100 rounds a minute toward a crowd you just point in the direction and pull the trigger as quickly as possible. You don’t need to aim.

You can listen to the gun fire in Las Vegas and in the FL school slaughter and Las Vegas is faster but I believe someone who practiced pulling the trigger could exceed the bump stock speed.

Every hunter that I have ever seen questioned said the AR-15s were no good for hunting they said they are strictly shi** and giggles guns.

A policeman has never been involved in school shooting. Police were allowed to keep the Thompsons also.

Maybe we should just ban the AR-15 that way they can’t convert them to automatics

If you can fire as many rounds from a semi-automatic or a few less it does not make a difference.

You think that we should set idly by while thousands die and do nothing so some can own a weapon of mass destruction for target shooting with it once every two years.

Those children right to live far exceeds any gun nuts right to own a weapon of war.

Every part of the AR-15 was used to make the M-16 with the exception two parts.

Is there a right to own an English Longbow? I had no idea.

The NRA is doing everything in their power to stop bump stocks from being banned.

When you compare the number of people killed by gun in America to other countries we have a problem. That is a good reason.

When you take the NRA’s blood money and do their bidding you are a crooked politician.

The Gun Manufacturers NRA scam is so effective that Cigarette manufactures tried to copy it creating another organization to do their bidding. The gun manufacturers are leading the charge to fill America’s streets with weapons of war.

Assault weapon bans have nothing to do with cosmetics

they have everything to do with death of innocent children.

There will be a flood of lawsuits and you can bet many have already been paid off to keep them out of court.

Some of the gun manufacturers pay the NRA for each gun they sell.

Under the law many people are convicted each year for being accessories to crimes because they supplied the guns used in the crime.

The problem is that the 50,000 people weren’t killed by other weapons they are killed by guns.

In equation both parts are necessary. No gun no murder in many case. Give the FL shooter a knife and somebody would have picked up the 130 punk and pitched him down the stairs. Without the gun he is not a problem.

Fully automatics tend to be illegal?

If they prefer hand guns why are school shooters using AR-15s?

If you know everything about the 1994 assault weapon ban it does not show. You repeatedly tried to portray it as a ban on pistol grips which it isn’t.

Atomic weapons are not classified as guns.

Converting a AR-15 to fully automatic would be similar to putting mag wheels on your car.

Banning assault weapons is always a good idea will it be perfect? No.

It may take less than a second to chamber round but that is still 140 rounds less than assault rifle can fire in a minute

Any of those semi-automatics can be converted to full automatics.

It defies all common sense to have mass murder continuously while the solution is so simple.

I don’t believe a howitzer, a dangerous and deadly weapon that fires projectiles for two miles is legal anywhere.

I don’t know how you can believe that 50,00 dead a year is not a good reason.

We see where letting technology runaway got us the right to own gun is not unlimited nor should it be.

We made laws to governor wiretaps

just as we will make laws to govern guns.

Anyone is free to make an argument that a law violates a right but rights are not unlimited.

Baby Bush changed the definition of weapons of mass destruction when they could not find any in Iraq.

If you can commit mass murder of 59 people you have a weapons of mass destruction.

There was no ban on pistol grip

it wasn’t called a ban on pistol grips it was called a ban on Assault Weapons.

The patent the inventor held for AR-15 was because the system he invented that chambered round much faster than other semi-automatics it is completely different system based on new technology.

No one has been killed with a Thompson in 60 years before the ban they killed them 7 at a time. Something changed. It wasn’t that gangsters suddenly said we aren’t going to kill people with Thompsons anymore.

As a society we have the right to decide what guns are legal and we will exercise it.

I hope you saw that today legislation was introduced to not only ban assault weapons but make them illegal. It is called the assault weapon ban 2018.

Of course, 5 million NRA members will be pissed

Nobody needs grenade launchers or bayonet mounts.

The 1994 assault weapon ban banned assault weapons not cosmetic.

This is just NRA propaganda to kill the assault weapon ban.

Very specific assault weapon makes and model numbers were banned.

The AR-15 is the worst of the worst

you can bet money changed hands to keep it from being banned.

Pistol grips were legal under the ban only combinations were banned. The ban clearly states pistol grips are legal. More useless NRA propaganda’

Machine guns are automatics which are illegal and even you admit automatics are illegal. Howitzers are illegal also.

The Thompsons were taken off the streets overnight whether they were taxed out of existence or made illegal something extremely effective happened. There are a couple ways of knowing something one is to read the regulations or to see it effects.

You do not have to be accurate during a mass murder you just fire into the mass of the crowd each bullet will hit something. Firing at on individual you shoot center of mass. Shooting at a crowd is far different you just spray bullets.

I have two sports cars one of them has twin turbos the other has none yet they look identical except for minor changes they are both the same models. The AR-15 and the M-16 are like that you met them on the street you could not tell them apart.

Banning bump stocks? Here you go again advocating gun control.

Non- stop mass murders are a very good reason.

The gun manufacturers have full control of the NRA

they have never met a gun they would not endorse.

The gun manufacturer take no responsibility they just push guns like a drug pusher pushes drugs.

If they ban assault weapons you are only left with hand guns and a few rifles that not nearly expensive or profitable.

the NRA has expended its political capitol.

It is just left with it crooked politicians and they will be targeted and removed from office

There is a big difference in the speeds of semi-automatics

that why the AR-15 was chosen as the base weapon for the M-16 and other semi-automatics were not.

The NRA will have trouble defending itself let alone interfere in the political process.

Sorry the ban is already been introduced in congress.

people are tired of living in a war zone.

I thought that was the reason for guns to go hunting isn’t that what your old English law cases are about?

If the assault weapons aren’t banned it is pointless. Taking the guns off the street is going to difficult finding all the high capacity clips will be much more difficult. Guns are registered high capacity clips are not.

I just know that they were AR-15s it doesn’t matter whether they had a pistol grip.

Do you have a black family moving in next door? That is because they have civil rights.

If there was a mass murder at an NRA meeting they would run because shooting out with some one who has a AR-15 with a someone with a pistol is a loosing proposition.

Even the 4 sheriff deputies would not go face the AR-15 in FL. Why? Because it was certain death.

The theory stated that if Vietnam fell the world was lost but history shows us that communism collapsed under its own weight. If we believed in our own system that was predictable.

Are you from some alternate universe? North Vietnam won the war

the Vietcong were licking at the heels as the US as they got out of Vietnam.

Those bratty kids on social media have already cost the NRA members millions of dollars

Owning a gun is not a civil right

the only thing the NRA does is sell death.

The KKK was responsible for fewer deaths in a year than the NRA is responsible for in a year.

The NRA is owned by the gun manufacturers association

they have one reason to exist to make a profit.

Most suicides are by gun.

Most people killed in a domestic situation are killed in the heat of passion

no gun means no killing in most cases.

At night when someone breaks in all you are going to see is a fleeting shadow.

Burglars break in when people are asleep and don’t wake the resident until it is too late.

Civil rights don’t have anything to do with guns unless you won’t let blacks in your gun club.

You are about to find out how far it will stretch.

The gun manufacturers did everything in their power to stop the 1994 assault weapon ban

Mass murder is a good reason.

If you mess up one AR-15 there is an unlimited supply so it makes no difference.

The best way to solve is to ban assault weapons.

Here you go again pushing gun control.

If you can buy all the parts to build an AR-15 you will be able to buy M-16 parts. It might be illegal to buy a working m-16 but you could buy the parts.

The top Republicans held the meetings on the very day Obama was inaugurated. They made no secret of the meeting or the purpose.

The school shootings have taken away any political capital the NRA had.

The NRA did not stop Obama the NRA is not part of the government and does not have a vote

however the crooked politicians on the NRA’s payroll are a temporary problem.

I don’t know Pelosi position on guns

but if she votes with the NRA she will not survive the primary.

If social security for reason other than mental defect you get to handle your own money.

If you can’t handle a check book you damn well can't handle an AR-15

Obama order was very specific it targeted those who got social security for mental illness.

I hope you can admire it while the bullets are coming out of it in your direction you can’t expect someone who can’t handle his money to know where the safety is.

I can believe you are mistaken.

You are pretty mentally defective if you can’t balance a check book. That is not rocket science.

An assault weapon is an assault weapon with or without a pistol grip.

The people doing the mass murders don’t have mental problems. They are angry and they enjoy killing just like you might enjoy an ice cream cone. There is no way to watch all these people all the time but we can take the assault weapons away.

Your solution is avoiding the problem and let thousand more children be slaughtered.

We have many people in US who want to join terrorist organization. Some have traveled overseas and joined but the most valuable to terrorist are those that stayed here and blend in. The terrorists already in America can do by far the most damage. It has become much harder for terrorist to get into the country. Once someone is found to be associated with a terrorist organization their names should remain on the list of those who can never purchase a gun. Mistakes can and will be made with similar names and for other reasons. Those mistakenly placed on list have the right to due process and if the information is wrong their gun rights will be restored.

Those mistakenly placed on list have the right to due process and if the information is wrong their gun rights will be restored.

The United States is full of courts and you are free to sue the Federal government to be removed from the no-fly list.

Oralloy, when you delve in history of the NRA you find that what started out as a grass roots organization was taken over by the gun manufacturers.

Over time the position taken by the NRA changed to coincide with the gun manufacturers positions.

What was once was a social organization became the prime defender of assault weapons because of the money from the gun manufacturers.

Sadly, the NRA only purpose is to push guns.

Oraloy, that is far being silly. Do you have any idea how many people killed by relatives to collect life insurance? One dentist in Texas poisoned his kids Halloween candy. These people are murdered for a $100,000 or so. The assault weapons businesses brings in 100s of million each year. Each time there is a school shooting the gun manufacturers make millions. Once the shooting takes place and the possibility of assault weapon ban takes hold sales of assault weapons go through the roof. If people would kill for a $100,000 it is foolish to believe that they would not kill for a S100 million. Assault weapon were in a slump before the FL shooting.

The NRA loves school shootings.

Yeah, there is something wrong with that 17-dead people.

The assault weapon like the Pinto is directly responsible for the deaths in school shootings, no AR-15 no deaths in school shootings.

One way to solve a problem is to sue it out existence.

No that is wrong what the court decision ruled that limits can be placed on guns.

Just sit back and watch.

If I tap your phone it isn’t like mass murdering thousands of people. The court can always make the evidence obtained by an illegal wire tad inadmissible in a court of law but the court can’t bring the dead students back to life.

Apples v oranges argument.

You don’t really believe that all wire taps are legal, do you?

As long as you don't need to use the information from a wiretap there is no problem.

Trump tries his best to censor everything by bulling everyone he can.

Dick’s Sporting Goods announced that they will stop selling semi-automatics and large capacity clips. Wal Mart had previously stop selling assault weapons and this leaves only one major retailer, Bass Pro-shop still selling death in America.

The assault weapon like the Pinto is directly responsible for the deaths in school shootings, no AR-15 no deaths in school shootings.

No, there are still rural states where the vast majority own guns but then we don’t have to beat all of them. We just need a clear majority in Congress to ban assault weapons.

First you have to separate school shooting from mass murders at schools.

There are a lot of routine school shootings that involve one or two people and are done with handguns these probably make up the majority of school shootings.

it is the mass murders that take place with multiple victims these are always done with assault weapons.

Hand guns are designed to murder one person at a time . . .

If you follow the mass murders there is always a picture of the assault weapon on the news.

I don’t know of one recent mass murder that was done with a hand gun in fact I don’t know of any.

If you want to commit mass murder you need an assault weapon.