@oralloy,
Oralloy
The second amendment is never referred to as a civil right for a reason, it isn’t. The civil rights legislation came about in 1964 and does not even mention guns. It has to do is institutionalized discrimination.
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Oralloy, there was a good article about a school shooter on the Internet today: “Inside a School Shooters Mind: A Plot to Kill 50 or 60. If I get Lucky Maybe 150.” The boy was only 3 days past his 14th birthday and he even knew that the response time for the police at his target location was 30 minutes and a SWAT team would need 45 minutes to arrive. Something went wrong though he had tried to get his dad’s AR-15 by filming him opening the gun safe so he could get the code for the safe. He took his dad’s hand gun and shot him in the back of the head. When he got to the elementary school he only managed to kill one child before the gun jammed and he was downed by a volunteer fireman. The joke was on the shooter as the AR-15 was not in the safe it was only a couple of feet from the dresser where he took the handgun. Hand guns are not used for mass murder though they can be used to settle a score with a couple of people. The shooter had already planned how he was going to get into the school and which class he was going to kill first. This was a 14-year-old junior high student. Assault weapons are made for mass murder.
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A car and tank can both be used for transportation but a tank was designed to fight wars with as well as assault weapons. Semi-automatic rifles were not designed for mass murder only assault weapons. Did you hear that Remington has filed for bankruptcy? Remington was evidently the maker of the AR-15 style assault weapon used in the FL shooting they called it a Bushmaster according to one source. They are filing bankruptcy it seems the sale of assault weapons is down without the highly profitable assault weapons the gun manufacturers will go bankrupt.
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Anything that is semi-automatic can be converted to automatic. The AR-15 was a semi-automatic to start with. Chambering the shell is the hard part get the trigger to pull automatically is far easier.
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The primary cause of mass casualties with an assault weapons is the ability to deliver so many rounds so quickly before people can take cover.
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The number of bullets fired along with the velocity make for very effective mass murders.
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It would be easy to design a stock that would absorb most of or all of recoil. Maybe the semi-automatic can’t chamber the bullets fast enough.
The proof is in the numbers. When seven gangsters were killed on St Valentines’ Day in the 1930s it got the full attention of the nation by today’s mass murders standards it would only be minor incident. When you kill 59 at a time you have to be doing something right and that is the choice of guns specifically designed for mass murder.
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I don’t think the shooter at Newtown would change clips until the gun stopped firing. As bullets are chambered the force to chamber bullets is reduced. If they test fired the gun afterwards they would no doubt locate a problem with the gun. The shooter, Adam Lanza, was autistic and the problem may have been a personal tick.
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The Heller decision does not list any specific weapons but it does make it very clear that limits can be placed on the second amendment.
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“Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever for any purpose whatsoever and for whatever purpose.”
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There would be private ownership of atomic bombs if the second amendment right was unlimited. Somebody would just have to have them to defend his home from gophers.
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The original St Valentines massacre completely changed America and led to America’s first gun control law.
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The 1994 assault weapon ban tells you that pistol grips are completely legal only when combined with other features like folding stocks or grenade launcher is there a problem.
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Grenade launcher would cause a problem because the military can’t keep control of all their grenade. In Colorado Springs a land lord was cleaning a garage out after a renter moved out. He found a grenade and thought it was a dummy. He pulled the pin and they found pieces of him all over the place. There were more live grenades found in the garage they had been carried off a nearby military base. If professional school shooter could get their hands on grenades it would be whole different ball game.
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Most likely more school children are killed with AR-15s than varmints. Saturday Night Live did a skit where they said the only way a roach could be killed was by another roach with an AR-15. The guy trained roaches to use AR-15s.
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It seems a number of dead people is always a good reason to limit rights. A pistol grip is not a problem without a grenade launcher.
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Let say modern weapons of war we won’t worry about antique weapons of war.
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You are just about to see what a good reason to ban assault weapons is.
I don’t care if you have a nose grip on your gun it isn’t illegal either.
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Pistol grips don’t fire bullets but assault weapons do.
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No court in America is going to mandate that our children must live in a battlefield. As it stands now more school children are suffering post-traumatic stress disorder than soldiers returning from Afghanistan.
That civil rights section about discrimination was part of our contract and I spent hours arguing with the city attorney about it. He was very adamant that it was limited to discrimination because of race, color creed, sex and country of origin and that might not be the whole list but I am sure there was nothing about gun ownership.
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Do you really believe there are no semi-automatics on the battlefield?
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Oralloy, there is no doubt at all about where all of the money spent to buy politicians is coming from, the gun manufacturers that are trying to buy the government so they can spread death throughout the land.
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The NRA serves one function and that is to sell death to children. The people with guns are violating the right to life.
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The fact that the NRA was taken over by the gun manufacturers is well documented. There is absolutely no doubt by anyone that followed the money. The NAACP is a civil rights organization the NRA is organization of death.
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Do you really want grenade launcher on assault weapons? You can have a pistol grip if you can do without a bayonet mount. Sorry there is no ban on pistol grips.
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If there were no such law the streets would be full of machine guns and howitzers.
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I don’t care if pistol grips are banned I just want the assault weapons banned.
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You don’t need a pistol grip to kill school children.
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The overthrow of the government was the prime driving force to justify the second amendment. When the founding fathers created a new government, they could not be sure that it would not get out of control. That justification has been used over and over to justify the existence of guns even though it is absolutely preposterous now.
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Guerrilla warfare became obsolete with the advent of atomic weapons.
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If the rights already existed it would have been redundant to write the bill of rights. The constitution grants a right to free speech it does not establish a limit like yelling fire in a crowded theater. The rights were granted but limits were established by courts and laws.
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It is already established that killing people allows the government to limit those rights. But then pistol grips are not banned.
The subject was guns not pistol grips.
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You may need to aim a gun if you are trying to kill individual where he is the only one standing. A bullet off to one side or the other would miss. But mass murders are committed on crowds if a bullet misses and individual it will hit someone else standing on either side. A mass murderer doesn’t care who he kills he just wants to kill as many people as possible. One mass murder said he wanted to kill 150 school children.
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They said it was impossible for a human being to run a four-minute mile also.
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The rest of gun is the same as an automatic it is only the trigger mechanism that is altered. both gun chambers shells at the same rate so the speed would be limited to the number of times you could pull the trigger. I was able to pull the trigger finger 106 times a minute on the first try with practice I would be much faster.
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This gun debate has been going on for years so there have been thousands gun owners questioned and they all agree for the most part that the guns are just good for sh*** and giggles but we all know they are good for mass murder.
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The police need these guns because a pistol is useless against someone with an AR-15. Forty years ago, policemen looked like policemen but now many policemen look and dress in full military garb with body armor. What caused this was the gun manufacturer flooded the street with military weapons. Policemen carried 357s after a bank robbery in Los Angles where the suspect were armed with semi-automatics and in full body armor. The police didn’t stand a chance until one of the policemen went into a local gun store and got an assault weapon. The FBI also had a shootout with bank robbers in FL where they were badly out gunned. The gun manufacturers made a fortune as the FBI and police department throughout the land had to replace their hand guns with 9 millimeters
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The AR-15 is very special or it would not be the bases for the M-16.
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The only thing that really matters is how many bullets it can fire in a minute. The AR-15 was not designed as a hunting weapon it is not a hunting rifle it is an assault weapon.
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The AR-15 certainly qualifies as a weapon of mass destruction after George W Bush widen the definition after they couldn’t find any WMDs in Iraq.
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Pistol grips are not the problem they are just a diversion created by the NRA.
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A converted AR-15 is still an AR-15. Ninety-nine percent of the gun is the same. It come down to how fast you can pull the trigger.
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Archaic weapons of war are not a problem. Pistol grips have never been illegal.
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I would not believe anything from the communists or the NRA. If they gave Trump permission why did it not receive any publicity. The NRA being for gun control would be a big deal. Did they also give Trump permission to take the assault weapons as he said he would?
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Pistol grips are not the problem.
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The NRA is only interested in one thing making absolutely sure that the next school shooter has an assault weapon. They want to protect the right of school shooters to buy assault weapons.
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No one should have to live in a war zone because 5 million people want to play soldier.
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The AR-15 and the copy-cat weapons are confirmed mass murder weapons.
Remington filed for bankruptcy to protect itself from legal judgements.
This is how the NRA is financed it established fact the NRA is paid so much for each gun sold by some gun manufacturers just because you don’t believe it does not make it untrue. The article I listed documents that.
Since before the time the crime is committed no one knows for sure whether it will actually be committed then no one could ever be ever convicted as an accessory but yet many people are convicted as an accessory.
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Pistol grips are not illegal.
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The Supreme court also says we can place limits on guns.
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When is the last time you saw a school shooting done with a full automatic? The fact they have been illegal since for 32 years might have something to do with it. That kept the NRA from flooding the streets with them.
Most of mass murders are committed with assault weapons. There was a shooting at a Michigan College last week where two people were killed likely with a hand gun.
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Pistol grips are legal that is not a loophole. If combined with certain other features there is a problem.
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In an arms race atomic bombs are considered arms. The second amendment gives you a right to bear arms so therefore the second amendment gives you the right to atomic weapons? Unless there are limits.
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There are laws against murder but that hasn’t stopped one mass murder yet.
If all semi-automatics chambered at the same speed the inventor of the AR-15 would not have needed to get a patent for the AR-15.
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Pistol grips have always been legal they were never banned.
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When you see the first howitzer that does not belong to the military let me know.
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Pistol grips are not the problem.
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Constant mass murder is a great reason. Pistol grips are legal.
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There are modern laws to govern modern technology just as there are laws to govern guns.
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Mass murder is a great reason.
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Oh yes, he did baby bush and crew changed that definition of weapons of mass destruction.
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An atomic weapon may kill more people but mass murders will catch up one day. One bomb in Hiroshima killed only 39,000 in a few years the mass murders will surpass that number.
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You are fixated on pistol grips but it was assault weapons that were banned.
School shooters have no problem knowing what an assault weapons are they could care less about a pistol grip.
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If there is no difference in semi-automatic an assault weapons why are the assault weapons the ones used in mass murders?
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If machine guns are banned because they are dangerous it follows assault weapons should also be banned.
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Mass murders are as good a reason as any other.