The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

Can you sight any case law that establish a right to own a gun other than the second amendment?

Doing away with the second amendment would be difficult but we do not need to do away with the second amendment to control what guns that are on our streets as the ban on automatic weapons demonstrates.

Common sense limits have always been placed on rights.

For instance, you have freedom of speech but you do not have the right to yell “fire” in a crowed theater for a good reason.

Rights have to be balanced against the harm they cause to others.

Your right to own weapons of war is not superior to the right of 17 children and adults killed in FL to live.

You could never successfully argue that you have civil right to own a gun.

The Second Amendment amended the Constitution.

The Civil Right are based on a law passed in 1964.

No part of the civil Rights Legislation grants you a right to own a gun.

It was an assault weapon not a pistol grip ban.

There was certain specific weapon that were banned the trouble was that some similar weapons were not named in the ban. Once the ban was in place the NRA manufactureres made new models to skirt the regulations.

A balance is struck between the freedom of speech and the right to yell fire in a crowded theater there must also be balanced against the growing number of children that are killed each year with AR-15.

The only way to purchase a Thompson Submachine gun is to have a collector license that is very hard to obtain.

Thompsons were very common at one time every gangster had one why are they so rare now?

The Constitution granted that right.

A right must have source did this right spring from nothingness.

The second amendment does not have to be removed just limited by common sense as the right to free speech currently is.

“The Cruikshank case is nearly a century and a half and is about whites killing blacks in the old south. Most white men at the time were absolved for killing blacks at the time. In this case they slaughtered 280 blacks most of which were unarmed. This court was a miscarriage of justice at the least Any court decision that is wrong on major points is likely to be wrong on other points and later Supreme Court decisions will have nullified this one. I spent 25 years in city, state and Federal courts and I have seen some really horrendous decisions. Fabricating rights from whole cloth is not as likely to happen today.

The law never said pistol grip ban it said assault weapon ban and listed specific weapons of war.

The AR-15 was designed as a weapon of war to kill as many people as possible in the shortest amount of time. The AR-15 is the street version of the M-16 that US troops use. The only difference is that the automatic firing mechanism is disabled

but it can easily made full automatic again.

On the news they showed AR-15 owners cutting their guns up vowing their gun would not be used to kill people. The videos are posted on u-tube.

The NRA is an organization made up of gun manufacturers,

it is an organization of gun manufacturers,

it is an organization that pushes the agenda of the gun manufactures.

The NRA mission is to sell as much death as humanly possible.

The AR-15 is the M-16 only a few minor parts are replaced to make it street legal.

An assault weapon is one that was designed to assault an enemy position during a war and has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with a pistol grip.

I am sure a Sargent said here is your BB gun with a pistol grip go take that enemy position.

The definition of assault weapon according to dictionary.com is: any of various automatic and semi- automatic military firearms utilizing an intermediate-power cartridge designed for individual use.

Did you see one word about pistol grip?

There is a good reason it has absolutely nothing to do with an assault weapon.

You are right a pistol grip doesn’t make it a weapon of war

or an assault weapon either for that matter.

Certain weapons were designed to fight wars.

The trouble is that a rifle may kill one or two people but the mass murders are made possible with assault weapons which are designed specifically for the purpose is mass murder whether on the battlefield or the school yard.

The pistol grip has nothing to do with the number of rounds that can be fired into a crowd of school kids. The mechanics of loading rapidly as possible makes for a good murder weapon.

Good reason for existing? Do you think saving the life of 1,000 school children is at least as important then keep porn away from children. I will bet the parents of the students killed in Florida would gladly trade their children watching porn for them being killed.

Trumps already wants to stop the media and the public for saying anything bad about him. The dictators he admires the most can stop anything bad from being said about them.

If think that you are entitled to new technology why can’t you buy howitzer? It is just a gun, a big one but just a gun.

Is it that you are not entitled to howitzer because you are not entitled to that technology?

Nobody can possibly foresee the future or legislate future technology.

The wiretaps laws came only after the technology was developed not before.

you do not have a “right” to own an assault weapon.

Those automatic weapons made before 1986 are collectors items and the price went up many times. The professional school shooters can’t go to the corner gun store and buy one. Thus, not one of them was ever used in a school shooting end of problem.

I don’t care if they have six pistol grips

as long as the don’t have the assault weapon loading mechanism which can chamber the bullets as fast as the trigger can be pulled that is where the ability to kill so many so fast.

The law banning the Thompson was passed in 1934 and the gun disappeared practically overnight.

The National Firearms Act of 1934 banned the private use of machine guns.

Police were still allowed to use machine guns.

The Private use of machine guns was banned in 1934.

The license to own machine guns is a federal not a state and it is expensive and hard to obtain.

The professional school shooters are not going to be able to qualify.

If you were the parent of two of the children killed in FL you would think it was a damn good reason to ban the weapons of war.

It is the assault weapons that will be banned

there will be some semi-automatic that take much longer to chamber that might remain

but the capacity of clips will be reduced to 6 maximum.

These other semi-automatics are not the overwhelming choice of school shooters.

The NRA is going to face a force that they have never seen before.

The gun store closed down because they were scared to death that they would pay for their crimes.

The last time a generation stood up to the government was over the Vietnam war. There were demonstration and riots all over this country. I ran gas out gas near the campus and the gas station refused to sell me gas in a can because all the Molotov cocktails that were being thrown. When that temper tantrum was over and the smoke cleared America got the hell out of Vietnam. That was the entire US government.

The NRA are just a bunch of slimy killers they may not have pulled the triggers but they are fully responsible for every mass murder in America.

The NRA has no civil rights it is an organization not an individual. Only individuals have civil Rights.

Only a coward owns a gun is not a stereotype it is taken directly from anyone who has ever owned gun.

If you ask them why they own a gun? They will tell you I am afraid that someone will break in or someone will come after me.

Every time you ask a gun owner they will affirm the obvious. That fear is the coward coming out.

Sorry buying a gun that is more likely to kill a family member than a burglar is foolish.

You better read the paper your lever in Congress are jumping ship faster than rats leaving a sinking ship.

There is no such thing as an unconstitutional gun law short of banning all guns.

The last Assault weapon ban was not overturned by the courts it expired.

Any good mechanic can change the parts and make the assault weapons fully automatic they designed to be interchangeable

no if you needed to make the parts you might need a gun smith.

New recruits break their M-16 down and put them back together again and again till they can do it rapidly.

Mechanic is not science parts that are designed to fit together go together.

The day Obama was inaugurated the top Republican met and decided to obstruct everything Obama tried to do and that is documented in many books written at the time.

The NRA may blow its own horn but it is total nonsense.

There were a record number of Republican filibusters they never made any effort to work with Obama.

The NRA is a legend in their own mind and it imagined the rest of it

The Republican donor has told the governor of FL he will no longer support anyone who will not support gun control.

The political donor names is Al Hoffman Jr said he will no longer support anyone who does not support an assault weapon ban.

If you get a social disability for mental illness you will have been to several doctors who will have to swear that you mentally ill and specify what your mental illness is.

I understand that Republicans think if they repeat a lie long enough that it becomes the Truth

but all 75,000 have been diagnosed with mental illness

lying about it won’t help.

This is going to come back to bite the Republicans hard.

The assault weapons are dead issue the AK-47 included.

Only on dangerous people?

You’re going to monitor 3 million people to see when they are going to go over the edge?

Actually, the mentally ill are less likely to be violent than the general population. These professional school shooters are quite sane. They just want to kill as many people as they can.

Oralloy

You are telling me that if we had some information before 9/11 hat the terrorists were going to fly the planes into the World Trade Center but no solid proof that we would have to let them kill, 3000 people? That we could not place them on a no-fly list without due process? Sorry due process can come after the fact not before it.

Anyone can sue and contest the governments actions, that is due process.

There is no constitutional amendment that gives you have a right to fly on an airplane.

I think you should start a pool to see how soon one of the 75,000 mentally ill people that Trump signed a law to allow them to buy AR-15s will commit a mass murder with another pool for the number of people murdered.

One sure thing there will be two big losers when it happens, the Republican Party and the NRA.

If you read “hj resolution 40” that Trump signed that restored the right to own an AR-15 to “those who meet certain criteria, including that benefit payments are made through a representative payee because the individually is mentally incapable of managing them.” The key words are “mentally incapable.”

This of course includes a grab-bag of mental illnesses as well as those with extremely subpar IQs, bipolar, schizophrenic and other sever mental deficiencies such as autism and Asperger’s. You may remember the shooter at Sandy Hook, who killed 26 was autistic.

Another feature of this bill is that many of these people may have lost gun rights for stays in mental hospitals but that will be wiped out by Trump’s bill.

“The NRA is about as good a source of information as the communist party is. Only Trump truly believes.

Some people cling to fantasies hundreds of years beyond when there was any truth to them. A group of farmers with rifles may have been able to overthrow a government 200 years ago. Warfare has changed a group of farmers that tried to face down a modern military with state of the art weapons is an impossibility and to cling to that fantasy is foolish.

We have established your only right under the constitution to bear arms is what arms were state of the art at the time it was written, a muzzle loader, a bag powder, and a lead ball.

We have also established that the government can by law draw a line,

no howitzers for individuals for instance. No Thompsons,

no assault weapons on other occasions.

The American people will ultimately decide where that line will be drawn, the NRA be damned.

By the way I hope you are not a Russian bot as Russian’s are now taking up the gun debate.

Did you see the big bill boards in Kentucky that had a message “Kill the NRA” they were located along a major highway near a big city?

The people are finally beginning to understand who is really responsible for the school mass murders in our schools.

The assault weapon ban in 1994 is very specific in defining assault weapon and large capacity ammunition feeding devices. In order for a semi-automatic to be banned it had to have a detachable magazine and two or more of the following: a folding or telescopic stock, bayonet mount, flash suppressor, grenade launcher, or pistol grip. Having a pistol grip alone would not cause a semi-automatic to be banned without one of the other features.

I think you believe that the NRA is an all-powerful organization that dictates to the president. The fact is the power of the NRA is transitory.

The heat is on and it is hard to justify letting school children continue to be murdered in mass.

Someone playing king of the mountain seldom remains on the top.

The Heller case decision clearly states that “the Second Amendment rights are not unlimited.” “It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon in any manor whatsoever for whatever purpose.” One of the cases the court used to anchor their opinion was the United States v. Miller which “prohibited the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.”

The Heller case speaks to being able to register a handgun and a requirement for a gun lock or dissemble in the home but clearly establish the right of government to ban dangerous and unusual weapons such as the AR-15.

I took law classes from two different universities. Law was not related to my major or minor but as a union president a basic understanding of the law was advantage. In arbitrations I was always up against a city attorney. Though the city attorneys had a better understanding of law overall, I often had a better understanding of labor law. I won the vast majority of my cases even when I was in my twenties.

A case in England cannot be used to build a right in America any more than a case in France could be used to the same.

it has always been widely understood that the Second Amendment, like the First and Fourth Amendments, codified a pre-existing right. The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it "shall not be infringed." As we said in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553 (1876), "[t]his is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The Second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed . . . ."16

Between the Restoration and the Glorious Revolution, the Stuart Kings Charles II and James II succeeded in using select militias loyal to them to suppress political dissidents, in part by disarming their opponents. See J. Malcolm, To Keep and Bear Arms 31-53 (1994) (hereinafter Malcolm); L. Schwoerer, The Declaration of Rights, 1689, p. 76 (1981). Under the auspices of the 1671 Game Act, for example, the Catholic James II had ordered general disarmaments of regions home to his Protestant enemies. See Malcolm 103-106. These experiences caused Englishmen to be extremely wary of concentrated military forces run by the state and to be jealous of their arms. They accordingly obtained an assurance from William and Mary, in the Declaration of Right (which was codified as the English Bill of Rights), that Protestants would never be disarmed: "That the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defense suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law." 1 W. & M., c. 2, §7, in 3 Eng. Stat. at Large 441 (1689). This right has long been understood to be the predecessor to our Second Amendment.

The law is based on common sense. The test being what would a reasonable man do?

The NRA lobby has completely distorted that concept by flooding the streets of America with weapons of war.

The four cases you list are from England Courts in 1700s and 1800s can you even imagine the level of education in that time period. Do you think we should be bound to ignorance and have to stand idly by and watch on the evening news as our children are slaughtered because someone with a first or second grade education mandated it 200 years ago?

Oralloy, do you have any idea why America fought the Revolutionary war? It is because we did not want to be subject to the laws of the King of England. When America got its independence, we were free to pick and choose which laws we would accept and which we would reject. Some of America laws have a bases in English Common law and some laws are handed down from France. Those court cases are no more relevant than the British tax on tea. Any attempt to manufacture a right from 18 century common law court cases is futile.

When the assault weapons were banned in 1994 the second amendment was in place.

In the Heller case decision, the judge clearly states that “The second amendment rights are not unlimited.” “It is not a right to carry any weapon in any manor whatsoever for whatever purpose.”

In that decision the NRA won the battle but lost the war.

They can register hand gun in Washington DC and don’t have to have gun locks so their children can blow their brother brains out but according to that decision assault weapon ban is legal.

Commonsense, let’s talk about common sense, oralloy.

Do you know why all professional school shooters prefer the AR-15? The AR-15 does the maximum amount of damage to human body far more than other guns.

“AR-15 inflict far more damage to human tissue than typical handguns, which are used in most shootings. That is largely because of the speed at which projectiles leave the weapons; they are much faster out of the muzzle of an AR-15, or similar rifle, and deliver a more devastating blow to bones and organs. Those projectiles are also far more likely to break apart as they pass through the body inflicting more damage.”

Killing 20 first graders for fun and sport is an even better reason then yelling fire in a theater.

Oralloy, if you read the 1994 assault weapon ban you know that a pistol grip alone was not a reason for the ban. Now if you had a folding stock and a pistol grip or a grenade launcher, or a pistol grip with a bayonet mount, that was grounds for the ban.
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There never was any law against pistols grips by themselves just the combinations were banned. Pistol grip were not the real problem as long as you stayed away from grenade launchers, bayonet mounts, and folding stocks.
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I repeat pistol grips are legal combination are illegal.

One of the primary purposes of government is to protect the population both from without and within. The AR-15 was developed in 1950 as a civilian gun by a start-up company named Armalife it was so superior to anything being used on the battle field it was soon bought by Colt which made the military version the M-16. The US military needed an assault weapon that would provide the maximum number of kills. I mistakenly believed the M-16 was developed before the AR-15. The AR-15 is very lightweight compared to other guns and when you have a lot of killing to do you don’t want your arms to be tired.

You’re wrong you have no right to a weapon of war.

I may have missed it but I don’t remember a school shooting in the last 500 years with an English longbow. While putting another arrow in your bow your targets would scatter and they are not much good for shooting down doors.

Words have a specific definition for a reason. If the city where you lived confiscated your guns and you went to court argued that your civil rights were violated the city would still have your guns.

You need to read the assault weapon ban it even provides pictures of banned weapons. The assault ban was extremely specific listing the manufacturer and model numbers of banned guns.

The NRA is the Gun Manufacturer’s lobbying arm in Washington they serve the self interest of the gun manufacturer.

They are not concerned in the least about civil rights or they would be concerned about 50,000 Americans that are killed every year with their guns.

They have only one reason to exist and that is to sell death.

No, the assault weapon ban was very specific many of the guns were foreign and they could no longer be imported but the one gun that is most responsible for mass murder was not banned.

The AR-15 evaded the ban

I know of no one shot with a pistol grip but then pistol grips were not banned.

I don’t know whether you get the concept or not but there are state laws and federal laws. The Thompson law is federal and states are bound by federal law they can be stricter but all states are subject to federal law.

If Thompson submachine were legal we would have hundreds of wannabee Bonnies and Clydes running around shooting up gas stations.

I don’t think I have seen a crime committed with a Thompson since the 1930s there must be reason. Why wouldn’t professional school shooters buy a Thompsons in those states they were legal instead of AR-15s? No school shooter has ever used a Thompson submachine gun.

A good reason to limit a right, how about a stack of dead bodies from here to sky?

Common sense is the very foundation of our legal system. The NRA which constantly claims that the reason is so people can overthrow the government if it does not suit them is nonsense as a few farmers with guns would defeat the world’s strongest army.

I think there is no doubt that the Cruikshank case fabricated rights. It fabricated the right of white men to kill 280 unarmed black men. No such right existed prior to that ruling.

It is the old problem of whether the glass is half full of half empty. You can look at second amendment as granting a right or restricting the rights of the Federal government but either way it does not grant an unlimited right to future technology.

The M-16 was derived from the AR-15 because it’s destructive power exceeded the state of the art weapons of war. Thee destructive power is derived from the velocity from the barrel. How many times can you pull a trigger in a minute. In a minute I can pull a trigger 106 times. With practice I could pull it at least 200 times.

A full automatic would make very little difference to a practiced shooter.

The AR-15 was designed for mass murder.

Once a few parts are exchanged the AR-15 becomes a full automatic.

Do notice the number of kills continues to grow. School shooters are evolving and it is only a matter of time before one going for the record shows up with a fully automatic AR-15. In fact, the shooter in Las Vegas set a new record taking advantage of the automatic feature by using a bump stock.

The pistol grip was not the problem you could buy it on a BB gun. The combination was the problem.

Colt started with the AR-15 changed a couple of minor parts to create the M-16. If you bought a new Ford that did not have automatic windows are you going to tell me the same model with automatic windows is not a Ford?

The country has not had one mass murder at a school with English longbow. The deer on the other hand might have a problem with it.

The problem we are having with the AR-15 is just now evolving to full automatic with the bump stocks. The use of a bump stock does not require anyone with mechanical ability. The gun becomes fully automatic because it is designed to shoot that way.

Courts decisions are clear the government can decide which weapons are legal.

Anybody that doesn’t believe that the NRA is not a gun manufacturer association should ask to see where the billions of dollars spent on elections comes from. It didn’t come from yearly membership dues. The NRA spent $24 million on the presidential race in 2016 alone. Wake up and follow the blood-soaked money it did not fall from heaven.
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The NRA is spending billions in political donations to crooked federal, state, and local politicians The NRA buys huge chunks of TV time. They ran ½ hour infomercials several times before the 2004 election and all the local gun nuts were running around shouting the sky is falling. That money comes directly from the gun manufacturers.

Did the NSSF spend $24 million in the last presidential election? How many politicians are endorsed by the NSSF? Everyone knows who is endorsed by the NRA.

The assault weapons are priced up to $2,000 and they are the most profitable guns sold by gun manufacturers. Never ever underestimate self-interest as a motive.

The gun manufacturers might need to deny it in case of the coming lawsuits and need an outside organization they control like the NRA to push their agenda.

There is no way you can deny they are a merchant of death.

Fifty thousand die from guns each year most them are the gun owner (suicides, or being shot with the gun they supplied) or family members of gun owner shot accidently or on purpose.

If that ain’t selling death I don’t know what is.

If I replace the parts in an AR-15 to make it fully automatic it will not go to court house and changes its name it is still an AR-15.

If the AR-15 is no more dangerous than other semi-automatics why do professional school shooters prefer it 99 to 1?

Read the 1994 assault weapon ban you have absolutely no clue.

The AR-15 was such an efficient killer of men that it outclassed every other weapon of war on the planet

Everything about the M-16 is AR-15 with only slight modifications.

One of the features the assault weapons ban concentrated on was high capacity clips some held a hundred rounds.

Where would these be used? In a wars and school shootings.

If you had a semi-automatic that had a six-round clip and it took a minute to chamber those rounds it would not be used in school shootings.

You would have no problem buying a pistol grip as long as you could do without a grenade launcher.

I looked at the pictures of the banned assault weapon and they are some of the most dangerous guns in the world.

There is a reason that English longbows are not used to fight wars today. A man with a rock would kill you before you could bull back the bow.

There is a big difference between a mechanical object such as a gun and freedom of speech. Mechanical objects evolve. The freedom of speech however is much the same as it was during 1791.

There is no state where you can buy a howitzer because it is prohibited by federal law.

It has everything to do with technology as new technology comes along we must decide where to draw the line. No doubt guns will continue to evolve one day guns may not fire bullets but focused light that can cut a person in half in less than second. A school shooter may be able to use laser beam to kill 500 people instead of 17. The NRA will claim it is great for target practice. A decision will have to be made as where to draw the line.

Wire tap problems are problems in philosophy which extend the right of privacy into new technology.

Wire taps don’t kill school children,

Guns on the other hand are far more dangerous than they were in 1791. There were no mass murders of school children in 1791. The government is tasked wit a duty to protect the children and it fails when it allows weapons of mass destruction on every street corner.

Pistol grips are not the problem they don’t make the high-powered bullets and muzzle velocity that shatter the ribs.

A pistol grip does not an assault weapon make.

There is a difference in speed of cars, my wife’s Rogue might make a 100, my 370z will do a 153. Semi- automatic will not all chamber rounds at the same speed. A $2,000 AR-15 will chamber rounds much faster than semi-automatic rifle because it is state of the art.

Something changed the machine guns disappeared overnight.

English longbows are obsolete as weapons of war.

Oralloy, do you not understand this problem is getting worse and is accelerating. There will be far more school shooting and the number of students killed will get higher. There are at least a million potential school shooters out there the majority will never act on their impulses. The shooter in FL had carefully studied other school shootings so he would not make the same mistakes.

By studying the other school shootings, he knew he had to have an AR-15 to pull it off.

The courts did not strike down the 1994 assault ban and they will not strike down the next one either.

All semi-automatics may operate on the same principal but not at the same speed.

Assault weapons and high capacity clips are the targets

hunting rifles with small clips will escape the ban.

The shooter in FL used 30 round clips if you can’t hit a target with deer 6 rounds someone should take your gun away.

The second amendment gives you a right to bear arms not to a 30-round clip.

I don’t know that any of the AR-15s used in the school shootings had a pistol grip.

Previous shootings have caused outrage that did not last but each shooting has caused the outrage to increase at a geometric rate and the affects of this shooting is for the first time showing Republican politicians to jump ship as well as mega Republican donors.

Orally if history has taught us anything it is that anybody can kill anyone. It would be easy to be waiting outside and when store closed open up on him with an AR-15 you could put 30 rounds in him before he got his hand in his pocket. That is the problem with gun you might own a thousand but they won’t protect you if someone is determined to kill you.

We have went from shooting in post offices, to work places, to restaurants to school shooting. The solution may come to shootings when the NRA holds meetings. That would give the NRA a brand-new point of view if the shooting happened to them on a regular basis.

If you know the true history of Vietnam you know the French were exploiting them. The French were shipping all the food out of the country while the people starved to death. Initially Ho Chi Minh tried to enlist the help of the United States before accepting the communists.

The domino theory was just that a theory that history proved wrong

a good portion of a generation was killed for nothing and the slaughter would have continued.

Those bratty kids are on the verge of being very politically active adults. If you spent four hours hiding in closet thinking you were going to be killed any minute it would change priorities.

In our society they call them enablers and they are more at fault then the ones that pulled the trigger.

The bill boards in Kentucky is expressing the sentiments of many Americans.

The NRA is an organization that spreads death throughout America.

If a guy tells you he must have gun because he is afraid his house might be broken into, or someone is out to get him. It says it all.

The Olympic biathlon medalists acquired their interest in guns much earlier and probably for the same reasons.

Their fear is so all consuming they will put their family lives at risk.

I worked with guy who went on vacation. He got a call his son committed suicide. When he got home he had to scrape his son’s brains off the ceiling. No gun, no suicide.

Statistics show that is who is most likely to be killed. The husband and the wife get in a fight and in anger one shoots the other to end the argument.

Your teenager comes in late and they think he is a burglar he is shot and killed.

Guns are unsafe at any speed.

Rubio was one of the first to change his mind. Kasich and Rubio were both Republican presidential contenders. As the heat is turned up more will shun the NRA. Rubio was asked if he would continue to take the NRA blood money at a public meeting by a survivor of the FL shooting. He could not stutter fast enough. He has taken 3 million dollars.

You cannot stretch the 2nd amendment to cover all the technological developments in the last 200 years.

The NRA would have used all of their best attorneys in attempt to overturn the 1994 ban and they could not.

Lots of mechanical operations require holes be drilled in a precise place. Some car accessories require up to twenty holes. If you miss you have trashed a $20,000 car they are not marked either. That is a pretty common skill.

The parts are available.

Someone built the AR-15 and that is a big thing now many people are building there own AR-15 by ordering parts on line. The people building their AR-15 have no obvious skills. One guys wife was even building one.

Sorry there is no propaganda the Republican blockade was widely reported at the time.

The NRA was the very least of Obama’s troubles.

The NRA could not stop a bus let alone Obama.

The NRA has a very narrow focus and can affect only gun legislation.

There are a few Democrats who take the blood money from the NRA but they will not survive the next election. They are closet Republicans.

Their may be plenty of Republican donors but very few mega donors and when the stampede starts you better not get in the way.

When you get social security for mental illness that is the reason you get social security.

These people cannot be trusted with their own money.

This is what gives the NRA a bad name.

Anyone that doesn’t believe that Trump is not the world’s greatest liar is just not right. First Trump said he thinks school teachers should be armed a day later he denies it the day after that he proposes it.

The order target people who got social security for mental illness and mental defect.

One them will be coming to your neighborhood with his new AR-15.

You may not lie in your mind but you can convince yourself that reality isn’t reality.

When you put guns in the hands of people who are not competent to handle a dollar there is no way it won’t bite you.

Frequent mass murder is not a trivial issue asked anyone of those children who called their parents to say goodbye as that AR-15 was killing people in the background.

The problem will not go away until the guns go away and right now that is by far the most important political issue in America.

The fact the mentally ill are less likely to be violent is the scary part because that means the shooters are sane and much more likely to do long range planning and learn from the mistake of other school shooters. The NRA spokeswoman just says the guy was nuts to shift the blame. No mass murder has ever been found innocent by reason of insanity. There are people who just enjoy killing people it makes them feel powerful and many experience a sexual high when killing.

You can’t possibly believe those people that are getting social security for an inability to balance their checkbook.

The NRA only cares about the next dollar and they would sell an AR-15 at a state hospital if they could

they would sell an AR-15 at a state hospital if they could

and in fact that is what HJ Resolution 40 did in effect.

Why is Trump so ashamed of signing that bill? No pictures of the signing the bill have been released despite numerous requests from media outlets.

Have you watched the news lately? There are a number of businesses and banks that will no longer do business with the NRA

and none of the 75,000 mentally ill that Trump granted a right to buy AR-15 were involved.

Imagine what happen when they start killing people.

By the end the meeting the crowd wanted to burn her at the stake. She had to be escorted out with heavy security. She looked like Hitler being escorted out of a room. It took 20 security people to surround her to get her out of the building.

Sorry Oralloy, you cannot get a social security disability check for not being able to balance a check book

you have to have very serious mental issues to get a social security disability.

yet you think not being able to balance check book qualifies you for social security disability.

I don’t know where you ever got the idea that a balancing check book has anything to do with that resolution. NRA Propaganda?

You always leave out that the reason they are disabled is not physical but mental and someone that is mentally disabled likely was placed on list that barred them from purchasing a AR-15 first place

but Trump over road those lists and now the mentally ill can purchase AR-15s.

The NRA and the communist party are working together to exploit this controversy.

The NRA is no doubt pushing that check balancing theory when they have no clue and could care less.

Oralloy, you should know what this has to do with since this is one of the main reason the gun lobby has used to justify gun ownership. If the population can stage an uprising than it would be a safe guard against despotic government.

The population would simply stage a revolution and that is why we must have guns but in reality, it is just a pipe dream. Guerrilla warfare may work in the jungles of Vietnam but America it would be much more difficult.

The Founding Fathers can only approve what was in existence at the time the second amendment was written.

If they could see into the future and see the modern weapons of war they would restrict them to the military.

Since decision in the future best be left to the future when all the unknowns are known.

Yes, the Supreme Court affirmed the Heller decision that says “second amendment right are not unlimited.” “It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.” This basically affirms what I am saying that we have the right to decide which guns will be on our streets.

The NRA contends that the second amendment is unlimited and they can put the most dangerous and most deadly weapons on the streets

The NRA’s position is they have an absolute right to put the most dangerous weapons of war on the streets.

On the news today, we found that the NRA has only five million members and most of them are crocked politicians

There are 325 million Americans who don’t want their weapons of war on the streets.

The line is going to be 6 round clips and no weapons of war

and that is very reasonable.

Otherwise it is back to a bag powder, a lead ball and a muzzle loader.

Do you believe that there is even one privately owned howitzers?

A pistol grip does not an assault weapon make.

The days of the NRA being King Kong are numbered. Only 5 million members tell us they were much like the Wizard of OZ once you look behind the curtain the Mighty Oz was just a tiny old man all along that had a huge megaphone of the gun manufacturer’s money.

I did find it pretty easy to defeat your position.

The bill boards were on the national news and they express the opinion of many of the 325 million people who are not NRA members. The people in America have finally woke up to who the real enemy is.

To stop the problem, you must cut the head off the snake.

Oralloy, in the United States if I hand you a gun and you shoot the guy across the room I am held as an accessory to murder.

That is exactly what the NRA did they used the gun manufacturers money to block the assault weapon ban effectively putting the guns in the hands of school shooters.

This makes the NRA far more responsible than the school shooters for the murders.

Pistol grips are not the problem

but I don’t think anybody needs a grenade launcher or a bayonet mount.

The major loophole in the 1994 assault weapon ban was the AR-15 which colt was selling over a million a year.

Somebody got paid off for this to happen.

You don’t ban all of the foreign assault weapons and that make the most dangerous assault weapon in the world exempt.

Pride goth before the fall. The major bank that puts out NRA credit cards has dropped the NRA. All three major rental car companies will no longer give NRA members a discount. This is just a beginning of a commercial avalanche.

Oralloy, if the school shooter went into the school with the intention of killing 17 by beating them to death he would not have killed anyone.

To be able to commit mass murder he needed the AR-15 without it the crime never happens.

The NRA thought they were king of the mountain that even if millions of Americans were killed they could continue to peddle death but reality is about to set in.

At that town meeting there is no doubt in my mind that the crowd wanted to burn that pompous overbearing gun pushing woman at the stake. and if there had not been so much security there she would have paid a price.

You are not protecting civil rights you are trampling them.

You are telling me that when we have people that we have good information that they have joined ISIS, Al Qaeda or any of the hundreds of terrorists’ organization springing up all over the world. That when they went the to the gun store to buy their AR-15s the gun store owner would say sorry you are on a temporary hold but come back next week and you can buy all the AR-15s you can get into your truck.

If someone has decided that he wants to be terrorist he is as dangerous this week as he is 10 years from now.

The terrorists to have access to due process they can go to court to prove that the information is faulty.

The NRA does not want to miss a single sale of a mass murder weapon. The NRA equation works this way if a million people have to die so they can sell a few guns so be it.

As soon as the shooting happens and the talk of gun control starts the sale of AR-15 goes through the roof as every coward in the country has got to have one.

I would not at all be surprised if the NRA would hire school shooters to increase sales.

Before this last shooting the sale of AR-15s was in a huge slump but you can bet sales have soared now.

Anyone can sue the government. I was frequently threatened with law suits when I worked for the city. When someone started that old song, I would tell them just get in line it’s a long line.

I agree that there is a constitutional right to own a bag of powder, a lead ball, and a muzzle loader and nothing more. After that the government is free to regulate anything else. Just as there is no constitutional right to fly on airplane it is because that technology came after 1791.

Sure, you can aim and fire an assault weapon accurately but it's really common in skirmishes and in mass shootings for the shooter to simply rely on a curtain of lead. Rate of fire is not an issue with a hunting or target rifle.

If we were discussing civilian use of guns, why did you bring the military and how they react to firefights?