Pierced out of work

Bill's quote, "....a girl who on a whim died her short blonde hair ....." She killed her hair, heh? LOL

How can this be not considered discrimination? You can't discriminate against any different genders, orientations, skin colors.... those may not be self-inflicted, but you also can't discriminate against religion (or lack thereof).

Farmerman, what would you do if someone you worked for felt that a black person would be less than qualified to do a job simply because he was black?

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Bill's quote, "....a girl who on a whim died her short blonde hair ....." She killed her hair, heh? LOL

Okay, I'm a lousy speller, LOL...But in fact: she did kill her hair... Between the bleaching and the dyeing it turned into straw, and all had to be removed when she decided to grow it out in her natural color again.

farmerman- As I've already pointed out; I maintain the same, if not more restrictive, standards for my employees, with less justification than you to boot. You will notice BPB ceased his attacks on me as soon as he understood my reaction to piercing is a gut-reaction rather than a feeling of superiority. He, himself, admitted to having similar reactions to certain piercing. There is a difference between finding an appearance unacceptable in an employee and suggesting that those who maintain this appearance are less of a person.

BPB, insisting on a particular look makes sense in other ways you may not have considered. In any company, where it is my money at risk, there are additional considerations beyond being qualified for the job. I expect every employee to understand that there is only one right way to do a thing and that's my way. I don't think I've ever met a sales person who didn't believe he could do my job better than I do. I choose not to spend my time listing to dozens of people's ideas, advice and suggestions on how a job should be done. I, no doubt, miss hearing a good idea now and then, but value my time more than that input. I expect my instructions to be followed to the letter, and obeyed without question, regardless of an individual's point of view. You have indicated that you enjoy the feeling of defiance, and/or the reaction to your deviation from the norm, and I respect you for personifying your beliefs. It is that very quality about you, however, that I have no room for in my management philosophy. I don't have a God complex; I simply believe that every one of my employees should be an extension of me. Those uncomfortable with this level of submissiveness are not well suited to work for me. In essence, at the end of the day, the guy signing the checks is always right. I'm quite sure no subordinate in your company has veto power over you, either. Although you and I place very different values on various attributes of a potential employee; we are both well within our right to do so.

Bi-i never took a moral , or any other kind of high ground, you sir, just like to read selectively. you started by referring to anyone who imposes a no-piercing rule as McCarthys, then you followed up by a few expletives. i expect, from the outset and your tone that people will disagree with you. I disagree passionately and i've given a number of reasons, all of which are based upon the level of credibility I expect from employees in their dealings with clients, or they deal with actuarial statistics wrt safety in the field.

I expect many will disagree with me as well, but sans the second hand cd store, clueless about the professional world, somebody has to be a grown up remarks which obviously put you, in your mind anyway , on a higher level. Anyone not sharing my view is a second class citizen is the message you're sending out, whether you mean to or not, but I expect that's what you mean. It's pretty plain what you're inferring, and quite frankly I could care less, but I'm going to call you or anyone else on it anytime I see it.

As for my remarks about the Eisenhower/McCarthy years, I grew up in them, and saw first hand the "only cookie cutter,Pleasant Valley Sunday types" welcome here national dynamic of the time in full bloom. It's undeniable.

I don't have a God complex; I simply believe that every one of my employees should be an extension of me. Those uncomfortable with this level of submissiveness are not well suited to work for me.

Unbelievably arrogant. You'd have made a great slave owner. Good luck with your turnover. You're young yet and may learn that people have a nasty habit of not being Stepford employees, not the quality ones anyway, for any length of time

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I don't have a God complex; I simply believe that every one of my employees should be an extension of me. Those uncomfortable with this level of submissiveness are not well suited to work for me.

Bill- I would never work for you. IMO, although at the end of the day, the boss is the BOSS, a little more collegiality and respect for your staff WOULD ultimately reap benefits for your company.

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Unbelievably arrogant. You'd have made a great slave owner. Good luck with your turnover. You're young yet and may learn that people have a nasty habit of not being Stepford employees, not the quality ones anyway, for any length of time

Bill's employees are not slaves. If his management style does not suit them, they are always free to find other work. I do agree that independent thinkers would not do well in the atmosphere that Bill describes, but some people do better with a lot of structure and direction. We also do not know the nature of Bill's business, so making suppositions would not be very valuable.

Occom Bill Said:

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I don't have a God complex; I simply believe that every one of my employees should be an extension of me. Those uncomfortable with this level of submissiveness are not well suited to work for me.

Bill- I would never work for you. IMO, although at the end of the day, the boss is the BOSS, a little more collegiality and respect for your staff WOULD ultimately reap benefits for your company.

Bi-Polar said-

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Unbelievably arrogant. You'd have made a great slave owner. Good luck with your turnover. You're young yet and may learn that people have a nasty habit of not being Stepford employees, not the quality ones anyway, for any length of time

Bill's employees are not slaves. If his management style does not suit them, they are always free to find other work. I do agree that independent thinkers would not do well in the atmosphere that Bill describes, but some people do better with a lot of structure and direction. We also do not know the nature of Bill's business, so making suppositions would not be very valuable.