The new Puritans: Food Bullies . . .

@failures art,

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There are a lot of cattle fed and watered in place of starving and thirsty people in the world.

Currently there is more than enough food to feed everyone, but we lack the economy that is able to distribute it to all. In America we also throw away more than half the food we raise, so I am not convinced that I need to give up beef, I would rather work on the food waste problem and work on distribution. At some point as we continue to add more people we will not have enough food, it is inevitable, and at that point the fix is to have fewer people, which the process of starvation will handle. It would be nice if we did not need to go through that, but so long as people think that it is their God given right to make babies even though we already have too many people on this planet we know where this train goes...

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@hawkeye10,

Uh... Aren't you opening a restaurant? How do you expect to survive with a philosophy like this?

1) If a customer orders something and requests that you not hold something, I'm betting you'll abide. The customer is always right, majority or minority. You want their money more than they want your food.

2) You need to learn how to make mashed potatoes. you make it sound far far more difficult than it actually is. It sounds like you like them a very specific way. You might be described as being picky about your mashed potatoes.

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@hawkeye10,

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There are a lot of cattle fed and watered in place of starving and thirsty people in the world.

Currently there is more than enough food to feed everyone, but we lack the economy that is able to distribute it to all. In America we also throw away more than half the food we raise, so I am not convinced that I need to give up beef, I would rather work on the food waste problem and work on distribution. At some point as we continue to add more people we will not have enough food, it is inevitable, and at that point the fix is to have fewer people, which the process of starvation will handle. It would be nice if we did not need to go through that, but so long as people think that it is their God given right to make babies even though we already have too many people on this planet we know where this train goes...

This is now you finest post on A2K. In it you challenge people's rights to have children, assert that in no way you can have your rights challenged on what you eat, and suggest that the solution is letting people starve. Not just starve, but starve in the face of what you yourself describe as a world with enough food to feed everyone. You go as far as to identify food waste as an issue, and even the idea of infrastructure/logistics of moving food, and yet you don't see the irony in how wasteful the infrastructure/logistics is that you have such abundance.

This post defines the basest of hawkeye principles: You cannot challenge my desires, but I can deny you your needs.

What if instead of using the corn we feed livestock, we use the same resources to transport and feed humans? Humans first right?

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@failures art,

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1) If a customer orders something and requests that you not hold something, I'm betting you'll abide. The customer is always right, majority or minority. You want their money more than they want your food.

No, I will say that it is already prepared and that we dont have the ability to change the recipe for each person. The only exception is that we can hold the seasoning on steaks,burgers, chops, fries. I am not going to destroy the functionality of the kitchen to make a special meal for someone, only if the request is easy to comply with does it happen.....and this is a common area of conflict in the food service industry, people are used to being told no. I will lose some would be customers because of it, and they will go to some fool who will honor everyone's request and who will go bankrupt in the process.

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You need to learn how to make mashed potatoes. you make it sound far far more difficult than it actually is. It sounds like you like them a very specific way. You might be described as being picky about your mashed potatoes.

Show me a no fat mashed potato that tastes anything like real mashed potatoes.....you can change out the butter for some other fat, for instance mayo, sour cream, or ranch dressing...but the fat is required to keep the starch cells from binding together during the mashing process, and thus making potato glue.

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@failures art,

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You cannot challenge my desires, but I can deny you your needs.

So I am responsible for everyone on this planet?? I reject that theory...

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@hawkeye10,

For mashed potatoes, I use olive oil. This is also extra nice with the garlic and rosemary I add. I like the potatoes thick, so I don't usually add anything else. I did add unsweetened soy milk to make them lighter once. My non-veg roommates said they tasted normal.

These ideas that you'll ruin the kitchen's functionality, or that those kitchen's that provide from scratch prep go broke are fallacious. Such features often attract customers. I worked in a Chinese restaurant for two years. They had a large menu and they still provided customization of every dish (minus the soups). They we're anything but broke.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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You cannot challenge my desires, but I can deny you your needs.

So I am responsible for everyone on this planet?? I reject that theory...

Certainly not. Just don't pretend like you're a "humans first" kind of guy. You're a hawkeye first and only kind of guy. You're fine the way you are, just be honest about it.

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@failures art,

I am a self described socialist, perhaps better described as a communialist, who believes that civilization functions best when people take care of themselves before all others, and then look towards helping those closest to them get what they want, and then continue to move outwards. In my world starving babies in Africa are a few billion other peoples problem before they are mine, and I am not out to run anyone's life other than my own..

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@failures art,

It is fair to say that a lot of the feed given to animals isn't considered to be edible by humans.

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@Cycloptichorn,

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It is fair to say that a lot of the feed given to animals isn't considered to be edible by humans.

Uh... Corn?

Animals like chicken and cows naturally eat grasses, not corn. This is causing the animals to have all sorts of digestive issues and that's why we load them up with antibiotics.

Let's feed that corn to people.

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@failures art,

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Let's feed that corn to people

Have you been finding corn difficult to find? If so how about we stop feeding it into stills to make ethanol, a product that is less earth friendly than crude and which tends ruin engines??

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@failures art,

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Let's feed that corn to people.

quite a different type of corn is fed to animals than can be tolerated by humans

in any case, I wouldn't want to increase the corn eaten by humans. the high carb/high sugar content is not good for us

I generally figure that if I wouldn't give it to my dogs, I probably shouldn't eat it either - and I don't give food with corn in it to the dogs - rough on the gut.

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Hey, I'll fold on this one. I'd gladly support the idea of using cultivating the land for a crop other than corn. The point remains on how much effort and energy (literally) we put into maintaining a diet which is not even healthy, all while other's die of hunger or thirst.

I didn't mean to take the topic here. There is plenty to talk about with diet outside of food ethics and commercial farming.

To the original topic, I think that we see the production in these products from a demand to have them. That's not even a matter of diet but economic supply and demand. If people want to buy and eat gluten free pasta, why would others get upset? They can still get their gluten-plenty pasta.

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@failures art,

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. If people want to buy and eat gluten free pasta, why would others get upset? They can still get their gluten-plenty pasta

Fine by me, just dont complain about what I eat, or expect to find gluten free pasta when you come to diner at my house or restaurant...If this is a deal breaker for you then I will have to make due without your company and business..

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Alberta beef is grain fed, no corn. It's amazing the difference in taste.
There are 4x times the cows here than people. Most of the land up here is only good for grain, not veggies. The climate is too harsh.
Corn and grain is very hard on human digestive systems and Cyclo is correct, that the corn animals are fed is not what human would want to eat, too much starch not enough sugar.Vast groups of people cannot digest corn and they've stopped sending wheat to starving people in Africa and the like because it was actually making them ill.
They same goes for powdered milk.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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. If people want to buy and eat gluten free pasta, why would others get upset? They can still get their gluten-plenty pasta
Fine by me, just dont complain about what I eat, or expect to find gluten free pasta when you come to diner at my house or restaurant...If this is a deal breaker for you then I will have to make due without your company and business..

This thread begins by complaining about what others choose not to eat (gluten), not by non-gluten eaters complaining that gluten eaters should stop eating it.

Your "deal-breaker" argument goes both ways. I'm nobody to tell you how to run your business, but if your competitor offers everything you to plus more, you may find that the market demand is more important than your fragile principles. For your sake, I hope you have little competition.

Hell, I hear it's hard to find a greasy plate diner in San Fransisco that doesn't serve a tofu scramble. It's not like these places don't continue to serve eggs. If they choose to, then that's their gamble with the market as well.

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@hawkeye10,

Anyone who tortures animals should be put in jail. I hope you take five minutes to watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32815SIgq1A&NR=1

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@noinipo,

That video is not about the process of producing Foie Gras...it is about basic animal abuse, which would not be in the best interests of any producer. There are only two major producers in America, Sonoma and Hudson Valley....I am confident that neither abuses their Animals.

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@failures art,

I'm not surprised that you take an opportunity to take a cheap shot, nor that you don't get it. When the stores start offering gluten-free products, at a high price, your choice of products which contain gluten contracts, and the price of those products goes up, as well. The same thing happened with that idiotic no-carb thing.

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@Setanta,

Cheap shot? Sorry I don't cater to your cry-babying about gluten-free noodles. You poor thing.

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