@aidan,
It is very, very foolish to blame the tool
instead of the misanthropic mechanic.
If he had run over 100 people in the parking lot
with his car, instead, then u blame THE CAR, or Ford ??
aidan wrote:A nine year old girl who was brought to this store by her parents to talk to this woman and learn about how government works was shot and killed yesterday David.
Who should have been carrying the gun for protection?
The mother, the father, the child - all three?
All 3, well armed and well trained and practiced; that 's what
schools r for.
Thay shoud teach
safety, including self-defense.
aidan wrote:Who should have been keeping watch for a madman with a gun?
Its the same in principle as the SS defending the president.
Maybe now thay 'll do that.
aidan wrote:Should the father have stood guard and acted sentinel
as the mother took the little girl to talk to the Congresswoman?
Yes; its good to be alert.
aidan wrote:This is a tragedy - from all sides. First from the point of view of the innocent victims. This little girl is dead, as are five other people. Her parents took her to where she met her death, practicing exemplary parenting. And yet, she ended up dead.
The same happens in schools while playing baseball,
or falling in the bathtub at home.
Such is life.
aidan wrote:This mentally ill man didn't get the help he needed yet was able to access a firearm.
OF COURSE. He coud have
made one, if he wanted to, or bought one from anyone.
Rebecca, that 's like suggesting that he be prevented from having access
to alcohol:
its
IMPOSSIBLE to stop him, if that 's what he wants.
Dangerous criminals shoud be
isolated from the decent people;
preferably not on the North American Continent.
(
Maybe send them to England.)
aidan wrote:I know you don't know how it feels to be free of worry
about this sort of thing happening to you
Since age 8, I have been free of worry,
but that did not stop someone from shooting at me
many years later and 1000s of miles away.
Here is what stopped him from shooting at me (
real fast)
:
I'm
ineffably glad that I had this with me
on the nite in question.
aidan wrote:or your children on a day to day basis, because I never did until I moved here - where I don't have to worry about my children or my loved ones getting shot when they go to the school or to the mall or to Mc Donalds or to work.
Your emotions are a matter of
subjective choice.
With my guns, I know that I can defend myself,
or at least put up a decent fight.
aidan wrote:And that peace of mind is worth more than a ******* right that I will never even use.
U can waive your own rights,
but u cannot relinquish
MINE.
I got
peace of mind when I got my first revolver for self-defense.
aidan wrote:Tell me how you can talk about this specific 'right' while ignoring the fact that the human rights of these people were snatched from them while the right of the gunman was upheld?
It goes
THIS way:
after the English were thrown out,
when government was created in America,
it was
subject to the condition that government
had
NO JURISDICTION over certain things
including self-defense from the predatory violence of man or beast.
Hence, government can only interfere in this right
by
USURPATION of
fraudulent authority.
(Some historians believe that the nazis burned down the Reichstag to incite
emotions
into relinquishing personal rights to freedom; I reject doing that again now.)
Everyone has the Natural Right and the Constitutional Right to defend his life
and other property, whether government likes it or not, or whether any liberal likes it or not.
aidan wrote:It makes me sick to my stomach to think that this little girl's life and the lives of her parents and all the other vicitims of this mentally ill boy were snatched because he had access to a firearm.
Woud it have been nicer if he had set off a bom?
Boms are even faster and easier to make than guns are.
aidan wrote:Why don't we just lay their bodies at the altar
of your cause - just some more collateral damage?
because I
don 't have an altar
aidan wrote:Maybe you should think about your reaction.
OK
aidan wrote:I'm far enough away from it now that I can't read about it without crying.
How much good does
that do anyone ??
aidan wrote:I'm no longer desensitized to it. It's not just another day- another crazy-ass shooting over here.
I think you should reassess what exactly you are fighting for.
OK, but for the most part, I think that Justice Scalia set it forth fairly well.
He recapitulated most of the applicable history
of the right to defend yourself.
Remember, Rebecca, it was
never the job
of government to
PREVENT crime from occurring,
but merely to avenge its victims.
(Note that when crime is too rampant,
e.g., race riots, the police commonly run away,
even as thay watch that crime on TV,
and everyone is
ON HIS OWN; ask Reginald Denny to confirm that.
Ask Kitty Genovese. The same thing at Columbine: the police were cowards.)
aidan wrote:And that goes for Sarah Palin and the teabaggers too.
In spirit,
I am a Teabagger. Thay have my love and support.
ORIGINAL Americanism has my love and support.
David
