RABEL222
 
  3  
Tue 8 Dec, 2015 06:29 pm
@parados,
I hate it when you guys post facts rather than hatred.
Lash
 
  0  
Tue 8 Dec, 2015 06:54 pm
@RABEL222,
I posted facts that Clinton himself copped to. You guys are too cowardly to admit the facts.
snood
 
  4  
Tue 8 Dec, 2015 09:23 pm
I'm going to digress for a moment from the present jockeying about reasons to hate the Clintons, and return to the subject of this thread, Donald Trump. I've said it before and I'll repeat: DONALD TRUMP DOES NOT WANT TO BE PRESIDENT. I don't give him as much credit for brain power as his synchopants do - to hear some people, every half baked thing this guy says is the result of crafty and profound reckoning. But on the other hand, I don't think he's stupid enough to want to trade his cushy life for the life of demanding work that awaits the chief executive of the US gocernment.
For that reason, my take on this latest asinine pronouncement of banning all Muslims is a bit different than what I've heard. I think Trump is going to intentionally make himself so distasteful to the GOP establishment that he will be effectively "kicked out". That way, he can say he was "too good" (or too brave, bold, etc.) for the presidential race, and escape.
I've never believed that this puke wanted to be president. Now I think he's found a way to get out if it on his own terms.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 8 Dec, 2015 09:36 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
What is wrong with any of the subsequent bombers? They all seem fine to me.


They cost a fortune to not only build but to fly.

By the way given that we are talking two billions or so for each B2 plane there should not be anyway for the crew to bail out......Bring the damn thing home
BillRM
 
  1  
Tue 8 Dec, 2015 09:50 pm
@oralloy,
Then we have the 'cheap' 300 millions B1



Quote:


http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1987-05-17/features/8702160463_1_b-1-s-fuel-bombs


WASHINGTON -- The Air Force claims its new B-1 bomber is a magnificent flying machine. It is easily ``the best warplane in the world today,`` according to Gen. John T. Chain, commander of the Strategic Air Command.

The B-1 certainly looks impressive enough in its camouflage war paint, but the Air Force`s own numbers indicate the B-1`s warlike beauty may be only skin deep. Not only do these figures contain enormous contradictions, they raise serious questions about the ability of the B-1 to accomplish its wartime mission. Consider just three numbers: the basic weight of the airplane and its bomb and fuel capacity.

An empty B-1 parked on the flight line weighs 181,000 pounds. Ground crews can load its three bomb bays with 75,000 pounds of nuclear bombs and short- range attack missiles. So far so good.

At cruise power, the B-1`s engines gulp down almost 20 tons of fuel an hour. No problem. For long-range bombing missions, the ground crews can pump 194,000 pounds of fuel into the B-1`s cavernous gas tanks. The total weight of airplane, bombs and fuel: an impressive 450,000 pounds.

The pilot now has a big problem. The Air Force has restricted the B-1 to a gross takeoff weight of 290,000 pounds. Above this figure the B-1 is not safe to fly. The pilot must unload about 160,000 pounds of fuel or bombs to get the airplane`s total weight down to the approved limit.

If the pilot elects to pump fuel overboard, he`s only got enough sloshing around the bottom of his fuel tanks for about an hour`s flight.

No matter what combination of fuel or bombs is unloaded, the B-1 can take off with no more than 40 percent of its advertised fuel and weapon payload. That`s at sea level, where greater air density and engine thrust allow for higher gross weights.



Flying at 10,000 feet, the Air Force restricts the B-1 to no more than 20 percent of its publicly announced fuel and weapons payload. Indeed, the weight restriction at medium altitude allows for no payload, and only enough fuel to fly from Chicago to Winnipeg, Canada.

While the limitations are driven by peacetime flight-safety considerations, the crews are not training under simulated wartime conditions, with wartime payloads. Vast uncertainties surround the B-1`s actual combat capability. Yet the Air Force maintains stoutly that the B-1 flies farther while carrying a heavier payload than the aging B-52 it replaces.

The B-1 does less. In peacetime, certainly; in wartime, probably. And at greater cost. To date, Congress has approved $26 billion for 100 B-1 aircraft. For just this one weapon the bill works out to more than $240 for every taxpaying household in the country. That is equivalent to the annual premium on a $200,000 life insurance policy, but in the case of the B-1 the taxpayers evidently did not get much national defense insurance for their money. For example, three of the 26 B-1s at Dyess Air Force Base in Texas are being cannibalized for parts to keep the others flying.

The Air Force solution to the teething problems of the B-1 is to spend more money -- an $800 million surcharge on top of the billions already spent. Most of the money is intended to upgrade the flight-control system, allowing higher operational weights, and to fix the B-1`s uppity and cantankerous electronics.

Rep. Les Aspin, D-Wis., chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, remains skeptical. ``The fix has yet to be designed and is nothing but a name and a set of goals,`` he says. The $800 million requested by the Air Force is just the first installment of total costs that are unknown, but likely to run into the billions.

The central problem with the B-1 is not its cost, its weight or its marginal flying qualities. Rather, it is the basic lack of integrity that has marked the program from the start.

The Air Force knowingly promised cost ceilings it could not stay under and performance goals it could not meet.

As in so many other big-ticket defense procurement programs, some congressional opposition may have been co-opted through pointed reminders of the home-district jobs at stake in a plane whose parts manufacturing was subcontracted out to 47 states.

Nearly every legislator had a stake in the B-1. Despite occasional bleats about the cost, the oversight committees authorized full funding for the Air Force to proceed with all 100 Bs four years before the first one began flight testing. Legislators who would not dream of buying a ticket to fly on an untested passenger plane voted overwhelmingly to jump aboard the unproven B-1 program.

More money won`t avoid a repetition of this costly fiasco; more personal integrity in defense procurement programs might.



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bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 8 Dec, 2015 11:34 pm
@BillRM,
And that's Obama's fault how????????? Where's your little pal, Hawkeye?
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Tue 8 Dec, 2015 11:40 pm
@Lash,
The wedding the Donald claimed he paid the Clinton's to attend, actually what he said was that he had made so much contributions to both Clintons' campaigns all he had to do was "snap his fingers" to get them there.

http://assets.bwbx.io/images/iTVKK6C4YhsM/v1/-1x-1.jpg
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 8 Dec, 2015 11:45 pm
@hawkeye10,
Make up your mind Hawkeye, are you for him or against him, or for him until you were against him?

Get back to me in a week or so.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 8 Dec, 2015 11:47 pm
@parados,
[img]Re: hawkeye10 (Post 6084180)
Finally, you can pull that brown shirt and jack boots out of your closet hawk. [/img]

He's lucky pointy hats are one side fits all for his white cross burning fascist uniform.
Builder
 
  0  
Wed 9 Dec, 2015 02:20 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Hawk's account has been suspended today.

Not sure when it expires. Look out for proxy accounts. Smile
Lash
 
  1  
Wed 9 Dec, 2015 02:31 am
@bobsal u1553115,
You know, that picture means so much to me... Wink
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snood
 
  1  
Wed 9 Dec, 2015 03:23 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

Hawk's account has been suspended today.

Not sure when it expires. Look out for proxy accounts. Smile

After years of xenophobia, misogyny, racism and general assholery, I'm real curious to know what they could possibly have found offensive enough to suspend him.
Builder
 
  0  
Wed 9 Dec, 2015 03:35 am
@snood,
Quote:
...I'm real curious to know what they could possibly have found offensive enough to suspend him.


It was calling someone a "fag", I think. Check the "A2K sucks" thread. That's where I saw it, snood.

Robert Genteel posted;
Quote:
Edit: but to answer your question I'm not sure what his suspension will be at the moment, for example since posting I have been directed to yet another instance of him using this slur, this time directly to the individual. I think he'll just have to be suspended till the new platform is ready which is right in time for his favorite pastime of all: bitching about any possible change to the site.
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Wed 9 Dec, 2015 04:03 am
Quote:
Donald Trump faced universal anger and ridicule after he called for Muslims to be banned from the United States – and claimed that parts of London were “so radicalised” that police were “afraid for their own lives”.

Furious MPs and Muslim groups argued in response that anti-extremist legislation should be used to ban the billionaire Republican presidential hopeful from the UK if he attempts to visit Britain.
An online petition on Parliament's website demanding that Mr Trump is banned from the UK had more than 30,000 signatures first thing on Wednesday morning. The Government is obliged to respond to any petition with more than 10,000 signatories



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ban-donald-trump-from-britain-uk-leaders-line-up-to-lambast-republican-presidential-hopeful-a6765756.html

Damn right, we need to keep this Nazi out of our country. Hitler was dismissed as a buffoon as well. This is serious, Trump has turned a corner. There is no doubt what he is any more.

I've just signed the petition, sorry UK citizens only, it's currently 64,074.
Builder
 
  0  
Wed 9 Dec, 2015 04:28 am
@izzythepush,
Ironically, our imbecilic ex-PM just made a similar rant re a "religious revolution" to "bring Islam into this century".

I'm sure Murdoch gives these idiots airtime, knowing how it affects the populace.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 9 Dec, 2015 06:02 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Who said it is Hawkeye fault just that the two new bombers have problems to say the least compare to the many generations B52 workhorse.
BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 9 Dec, 2015 06:05 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
Get back to me in a week or so.


That will depend on how long King Robert had kicked Hawkeye off for.
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izzythepush
 
  3  
Wed 9 Dec, 2015 06:40 am
Quote:
A petition calling for American presidential hopeful Donald Trump to be refused entry to the UK has passed 100,000 signatures in less than 24 hours, meaning the issue will be considered for debate in parliament.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/ban-donald-trump-petition-passes-100000-signatures-a6766336.html
Ragman
 
  2  
Wed 9 Dec, 2015 07:38 am
@izzythepush,
Sure sure, it's all noble and **** to try to get him banned from UK. What about us here in USA?
izzythepush
 
  2  
Wed 9 Dec, 2015 07:50 am
@Ragman,
It's down to you. Maybe you could dress up a tiger as a 'barely legal' blonde and then let nature take its course.
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