hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Mon 23 Nov, 2015 11:54 pm
@Builder,
Quote:
He knows his audience. As a divider and conquerer,


You are confusing him with the Clintons.
Builder
 
  1  
Tue 24 Nov, 2015 12:00 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
You are confusing him with the Clintons.


Quote:
Donald Trump touted the benefits of waterboarding in a campaign rally on Monday night, telling a crowd that “you bet your ass” he would bring it back into use.

Addressing thousands of people in Columbus, Ohio, the Republican frontrunner praised waterboarding, an interrogation method that has been called torture. “I would approve more than that,” he said.

Trump told supporters: “Would I approve waterboarding? You bet your ass I would. In a heartbeat. I would approve more than that. It works.”

The Republican frontrunner then added “… and if it doesn’t work, they deserve it anyway for what they do to us”.


Puts to bed your claim that he'd not act unilaterally, hawk.

In Australia, we simply call his ilk "****-stirrers".

Article here.
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Lash
 
  2  
Tue 24 Nov, 2015 06:18 am
@Builder,
Funny you should ask... Lol

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/the-lifelong-conservatives-who-love-bernie-sanders/417441/

This guy is the only one who can make a difference. He's my guy.
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Tue 24 Nov, 2015 07:34 am
PolitiFact felt compelled to report that it is getting extensive pushback from readers on its claim that the Trump assertion that muslims in America were cheering the fall of the towers on 9/11 is "pants on fire". I too remember that it was reported on that day, I think I was watching CNN.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/23/mailbag-some-readers-say-theyre-trump-witnessing-9/
roger
 
  2  
Tue 24 Nov, 2015 07:40 am
@hawkeye10,
I heard that, but it was in Gaza.
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Tue 24 Nov, 2015 07:51 am
@roger,
Quote:
So NPR, the New York Times and the Associated Press searched contemporaneous news accounts and could find no evidence of Muslim-Americans cheering in Jersey City. That’s odd. Because it took me less than two minutes to find this story from the Washington Post dated September 18, 2001 (although I did have to spend $3.95 to buy it from the Post’s archives):

Quote:
In Jersey City, within hours of two jetliners’ plowing into the World Trade Center, law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river.
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.
.


I don’t think Trump saw anyone celebrating in Jersey City on television, but I could be wrong about that. In any event, NPR, the New York Times and the Associated Press are simply wrong when they tell their audiences that there is no evidence of Muslims in America celebrating on September 11, and no contemporaneous news stories to that effect.

Why does this happen? Are NPR, the Times and the AP incapable of using Google? Perhaps. But here is another possibility: note that the Times and the AP coyly limited their denials to news accounts of “mass cheering” or “mass celebrations” in Jersey City. I think they found the Washington Post story but preferred not to mention it. Instead, they deceived their readers by silently making the implicit judgment that “a number of people” are not a “mass.”

I think that these news outlets are so hysterically eager to discredit any concerns about Islam that they won’t let something as minor as the facts get in their way. There is dishonesty here, but it is on the part of NPR, the New York Times and the Associated Press, not Donald Trump.

UPDATE: Now it’s Tom Brokaw, accusing Trump of telling “flat-out lies. … [It’s] completely wrong. It did not happen.” How does Brokaw know it did not happen? Why do all of these liberals express themselves with such categorical certainty?

I think Trump exaggerated when he said that “thousands and thousands” of American Muslims celebrated the 9/11 attacks, but I also think that there were, indeed, some American Muslims who cheered them. If a liberal wants to say, “Well, sure, there were some who celebrated the attacks, but there weren’t very many, so it’s OK,” fine. They can make that argument. (The obvious next question would be, how many were there?) But the hysterical and unqualified denunciations of Trump by the liberal media are far more misleading than his original statements were.


http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/11/when-the-press-attacks-donald-trump-the-truth-is-optional.php
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Lash
 
  1  
Tue 24 Nov, 2015 08:07 am
@hawkeye10,
It looks like Trump conflated the Palestinian celebrants in Jersey with the linked video of celebrants in Gaza (or wherever that video was taken) and / or hyperbolized like he very often does.

The take-away for me, however, is the narrative in the linked story that shows a lot of "Americans" *were* celebrating. The story goes that the neighborhood elders chastised the kids who were happy the US has been attacked and lost 3000 citizens, they hushed dissent, and they papered the neighborhood with U.S. flags.

Gee. Wonder where terrorists come from.
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Tue 24 Nov, 2015 08:22 am
@Lash,
Quote:
It looks like Trump conflated the Palestinian celebrants in Jersey with the linked video of celebrants in Gaza (or wherever that video was taken) and / or hyperbolized like he very often does.


Nope, he exaggerated as he very often does. The corporate class propaganda apparatus going to great lengths to claim he is lying will help him, because their claims are iffy at best, and people who like Trump tend to start out with a perception that the major media cant be trusted.

I think this ends up as another winner for Trump.
Lash
 
  1  
Tue 24 Nov, 2015 08:51 am
@hawkeye10,
Not to be snitty, but hyperbole = exaggeration.

I have to say that I hate that most of his "exaggerations" try to pit races against one another. I think he's a horrific excuse for a human being, and it is to the great discredit of our nation that this man is still considered presidential material.

I know you're angry about our suck-ass status quo, but please think seriously about backing a decent human being.
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Tue 24 Nov, 2015 09:07 am
@Lash,
Quote:
I have to say that I hate that most of his "exaggerations" try to pit races against one another


That is not what he thinks he is doing, he thinks he is saying what the people already think. He is not creating anything, he is telling the truth about what already exists, unlike the corporate class media, unlike the left will allow, unlike how the elite want us to think.

There is a good argument that Trump represents the real america more than the media does. The fact that the elite keep throwing everything they have at Trump and he only gets bigger means something. Still to be determined is how much the incredulous reaction to the rise of Trump is a result of the long running problem of the elite buying their own bullshit, losing track of where America is, and how much is from Trump actually being off kilter. I do know that Trump feels very familiar to me in a retro way. I knew a lot of people like him in my conservative mid west city during the 70's. Very good people they almost always were, I trust Trump completely.
engineer
 
  4  
Tue 24 Nov, 2015 09:19 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

He is not creating anything, he is telling the truth about what already exists, unlike the corporate class media, unlike the left will allow, unlike how the elite want us to think.

No, he is not telling the truth. There were no NJ Muslims cheering the fall of the twin towers. That is a lie. Most white murders in the US are not caused by blacks. That is a lie. They aren't shades of the truth, they are just lies. They aren't misconceptions, they are just lies. And they aren't little white lies and they aren't harmless lies and they aren't lies to put a shiny spin on his personal narrative, they are lies with a purpose to demonize select populations. This man has gone from interesting to repugnant. I knew smart people who liked Sarah Palin. Then when she went further into crazy land, they reevaluated and moved to someone else. I don't blame people for liking some of what Trump says, but he's really far into crazy land now and the crazy land he is in is really dark and ugly.
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Tue 24 Nov, 2015 09:24 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
he is telling the truth about what already exists


no

he is lying

he says things happened that didn't

he is a liar

you can support a liar - that is your right

maybe you can't be honest about his lies - that would be all of a piece

___

I want to say America was once better than that.
ehBeth
 
  1  
Tue 24 Nov, 2015 09:27 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

The Don is merely stirring unrest, and attacking minorities. He knows his audience. As a divider and conquerer, he is doing a great job.... for the elites.


for the wanna be elites of the 1950's maybe
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Tue 24 Nov, 2015 09:40 am
@ehBeth,
Quote:
he says things happened that didn't


Do you have a for instance?
hawkeye10
 
  1  
Tue 24 Nov, 2015 11:16 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
On Tuesday, Trump's chief counsel, Michael Cohen, stood by the comments, even as he was pressed by CNN's Chris Cuomo on the fact that there's no evidence to back up the claims and that accuracy matters in a presidential race.

"He's probably right," Cohen said of Trump on "New Day." "There's no way to say that it wasn't."

Cohen said the argument over the number of people celebrating is misplaced, and that Trump was making a broader point about enemies within the United States.

"Whether it's thousands and thousands or 1,000 people or even just 1 person, it's irrelevant. To celebrate this tragedy ... it's wrong," Cohen said. "What the exact number is, I don't know, and I don't think it's relevant. What's important is that there are bad people among us.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/24/politics/donald-trump-september-11-muslims-celebrating/

Works for me....
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Brand X
 
  2  
Tue 24 Nov, 2015 04:38 pm
Now Trump is saying he watched people jumping from the Towers to their death from his apartment window and he watched the second plane hit the other Tower. His apartment is over 4 miles away. lol

And he's doubling and tripling down on his claim he saw people celebrating as the Tower's fell.

It's a close race as to which is more delusional, he or Carson.

hawkeye10
 
  1  
Tue 24 Nov, 2015 05:04 pm
Quote:
This week might be notable, however, for the sheer concentration of outrageousness. But while the brazenness of Trump’s falsehoods are noteworthy, he’s more than just a media wizard and blowhard. His willingness to spread racially-motivated lies—coupled with both the media’s inability to stop him and the voting bloc who believes him—represents something far more ominous about the state of our union.

http://qz.com/557494/the-american-moral-emergency-that-is-donald-trump/

The increasingly common from the liberal elite conclusion that Americans suck....
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Builder
 
  0  
Tue 24 Nov, 2015 05:35 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
This guy is the only one who can make a difference. He's my guy.


He talks the talk, and walks the walk. He was calling Bernanke's hand quite a few years back as a bluff, and (eventually) Bernanke was forced to agree. Took a few years, though.

The way the oligarchs control the press, it's like he doesn't even exist, and may have to accept a supporting role for Clinton. That would suck, in my book.

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Builder
 
  0  
Tue 24 Nov, 2015 05:37 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
for the wanna be elites of the 1950's maybe


It's still the same dicks. That Princeton U study goes back a fair ways.

Koch brothers aside, the oligarchy remains the same families owning the IMF.
snood
 
  4  
Tue 24 Nov, 2015 05:58 pm
@Brand X,
Brand X wrote:

Now Trump is saying he watched people jumping from the Towers to their death from his apartment window and he watched the second plane hit the other Tower. His apartment is over 4 miles away. lol

And he's doubling and tripling down on his claim he saw people celebrating as the Tower's fell.

It's a close race as to which is more delusional, he or Carson.



I think "delusional" gives them far too much credit. I think they're just boldface liars.
 

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