izzythepush
 
  2  
Thu 1 Sep, 2016 07:41 am
@giujohn,
Checks and balances could not stop an illegal war. If you don't care about Europe you can manage without our custom.
farmerman
 
  4  
Thu 1 Sep, 2016 08:01 am
@giujohn,
this is 2016 not 2005, SIOP has been obsolete for almost 10 years. look it up. I hope you hvent advanced to any clearances. You seem to ridicule others for your own shortcomings
parados
 
  4  
Thu 1 Sep, 2016 08:47 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
this is 2016 not 2005, SIOP has been obsolete for almost 10 years. look it up


It's all part of that "Make America Great Again" plan. Old nuclear procedures that were beautiful and great will be reinstated.

We will also be going back to those great cell phones that made America great.
http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/who-invented-the-cell-phone-1.jpg
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maporsche
 
  4  
Thu 1 Sep, 2016 08:54 am
@giujohn,
I never remember....does the executive branch have too MUCH power or too little?

I guess it depends on if Obama or Trump is the executive....
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giujohn
 
  -2  
Thu 1 Sep, 2016 09:49 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Checks and balances could not stop an illegal war. If you don't care about Europe you can manage without our custom.


We are talking about a nuclear launch...stay on topic...and I'm pretty sure we can do without Europe...at least I can.
izzythepush
 
  5  
Thu 1 Sep, 2016 10:25 am
@giujohn,
Stay on topic. You having a laugh? This is about Trump's temperament that makes him unsuitable to be a leader. And as FM has pointed out your assurances re a nuclear strike are ten years out of date.

Trump would be a disaster for America and the rest of the World.
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Thu 1 Sep, 2016 10:29 am
@izzythepush,
As long as we have people like guijohn, we need to make sure and vote to ensure that a Donald Trump never has a chance at winning the White House.
giujohn
 
  -3  
Thu 1 Sep, 2016 11:08 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

this is 2016 not 2005, SIOP has been obsolete for almost 10 years. look it up. I hope you hvent advanced to any clearances. You seem to ridicule others for your own shortcomings


I'm quite familiar with current siop/NCA for launch requirements and if you were you wouldn't sound so ignorant.
giujohn
 
  -4  
Thu 1 Sep, 2016 11:09 am
@izzythepush,
Don't hitch your wagon to FMs star...he doesn't know what he's talking about.
farmerman
 
  2  
Thu 1 Sep, 2016 11:17 am
@giujohn,
Its not even called siop for about 10 yeqrs. "Im familiqr with the lingo" qnd then call others for their not defending your verbal hanging on to some obsolete policy is more Sarah Palin than Albert Einstein
farmerman
 
  4  
Thu 1 Sep, 2016 11:20 am
@giujohn,
Quote:
Don't hitch your wagon to FMs star...he doesn't know what he's talking about


Im being blasted for being correct by some county mounty.
As far as being an ex cop, its like being an ex marine.
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farmerman
 
  2  
Thu 1 Sep, 2016 11:23 am
@cicerone imposter,
yeh the gooeyman scares the **** out of the kids. He sounds amazingly like our old friend "Coldjoint" (pinky)
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georgeob1
 
  2  
Thu 1 Sep, 2016 11:24 am
@farmerman,
Haven't heard of the acronym (SIOP) for years. I do recall hours memorizing my strip charts (for low leval visual navigation, in a single seat A-4) for targets in Crimea and on the Kamchatka peninsula on Mediterranean and Westpac carrier deploiyments.
giujohn
 
  -2  
Thu 1 Sep, 2016 11:31 am
Yes...it's true. I'm of the cold war era. And yes I know it's now called an OPlan 8010 the acronym siop is still used generically for the execution of a time sensitive op through NCA.

But of course I was arguing the actual chain of events that must occur that procludes a mad man from pushing the button. And if you believe the press or Billary's commercials you a ******* idiot.
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farmerman
 
  2  
Thu 1 Sep, 2016 11:34 am
@georgeob1,
so youre the guy who blew up all those prime beringean mammoth fossil sites on Kamchatka.
You guys didnt fly -over that area did you? or are you still unable to disclose?
You ever gonna write a book about dodging subs in the Indian Ocean?.


georgeob1
 
  2  
Thu 1 Sep, 2016 11:58 am
@farmerman,
Well we never dropped any bombs on Kamchatka, though I've flown fairly close to it.

Most ot the close sub encounters were in the Sea of Japan ( we had the IO pretty well covered in those days). Do you recall the collision of a Soviet Victor class sub with USS Kitty Hawk in the mid 1980s ? (It surfaced under Kitty Hawk's bow at night as the carrier was approaching alongside my replenishment ship in a maneuver carefully orchestrated to deceive the Russian sub, which had been harassing us, for a few days (apparently we were successful in confusing him) . I saw it happen and the Victor left two propeller blades imbedded in Kitty Hawk's hull - That's how we found out that Toshiba had sold the Soviets a chemical milling process for the prop blades). I had one of my helos hover over it with a floodlight, and we asked if they wanted any help: they said no - stand clear. About 30 min later a Soviet cruiser about 40 NM away came steaming towards us at flank speed - that's a fairly long delay and slow response.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 1 Sep, 2016 12:08 pm
@georgeob1,
We have been a few cables within the 3-mile-zone of the GDR.
Had to catch up a "passenger", who was too exhausted to swim any further.

"Unfortunately", I spilled some India ink over that page in the log. And totally forgot to mark our position in the chart. Wink

But that neither started a nuclear attack nor the third world war Very Happy
farmerman
 
  2  
Thu 1 Sep, 2016 12:15 pm
@georgeob1,
see, theres a show!!! (as George Castanza said)
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georgeob1
 
  2  
Thu 1 Sep, 2016 12:21 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Spills like that occur only when the issue is important!

I recall once intercepting a Soviet Bear (TU 114) over the Norwegian Sea. I got up close and the tail gunner gave me the finger. I was surprised to learn the Russians used that gesture too. I replied in kind.

That didn't start WWIII either.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 1 Sep, 2016 12:42 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
Spills like that occur only when the issue is important!
That actually was a continuing spill, so to say: in Kiel, I got "convinced" by my captain (with the help of an officer of the military secret service) that the ink unfortunately spilled as well further on that page ... where I had noted "unknown passenger boarded"/"unknown passenger left".

That was worth a crane of (duty free) Pilsner Urquell. For me.
 

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