seac
 
  0  
Mon 20 Jun, 2016 01:12 pm
@Blickers,
There is the national debt that will never be paid up in our lifetime. The Federal Government is operating on borrowed time. When it collapses, what are people going to do? We become a third world country.
parados
 
  7  
Mon 20 Jun, 2016 01:24 pm
@seac,
The national debt hasn't been paid up in 200 years.

Paying off the debt doesn't have to occur to prevent collapse. We only have to grow the economy and revenues faster than we increase our spending. By simply doing that we can sustain the government to infinity while never paying off the debt.
Blickers
 
  4  
Mon 20 Jun, 2016 05:43 pm
@parados,
The debt is paid by Federal securities, for which there is a huge market worldwide. The service on the debt is less than 9% of Federal revenues. Moreover, the number that really counts is not the dollar amount of the debt, it is ratio of Federal debt / GDP. The big rise in that came in 2008 with the crash, but it has settled down and now the debt / GDP ratio has only grown 1.3% annually for the last four years.

http://cdn.tradingeconomics.com/charts/united-states-government-debt-to-gdp.png?s=usadebt2gdp&v=201606141716n

cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Mon 20 Jun, 2016 10:25 pm
@Blickers,
Here's an article that predicts a stock market crash of 80% this year.
http://thesovereigninvestor.com/exclusives/80-stock-market-crash-to-strike-in-2016/
roger
 
  3  
Mon 20 Jun, 2016 10:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
What do you predict?
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Blickers
 
  3  
Mon 20 Jun, 2016 10:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I didn't watch the video. The "article" before it sounded too much like a come-on. There are dozens of these gloomy forecasts all over the internet. Plus the name of the website-the "Sovereign Investor"- sounds like they are going for the same right wing nutballs that call themselves "Sovereign Citizens" and think they don't have to have drivers licenses to drive, think they are not subject to arrest, or required to pay taxes, or subject to the usual courts because they consider them unconstitutional.

The whole thing sounds like a scam.
roger
 
  2  
Mon 20 Jun, 2016 11:01 pm
@Blickers,
You for got sheriffs. You can only be arrested by a sheriff because they are the only LEOs elected to office.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  5  
Tue 21 Jun, 2016 05:55 am
Evidence mounting that Trump's candidacy is just one big con-job
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141495852

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClcQJJfWQAA_kon.jpg

20% of his campaign-expenditures go to his businesses and he draws a salary from his own presidential campaign.

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Trump is spending next to nothing of his own money on his own campaign. (He only gives out his money as loans to the RNC.)

Trump refuses to get serious about fundraising. (Maybe begging for support is just beneath him...)

Trump thinks he can run a presidential campaign on the cheap, with free media and the power of his charisma.

Trump's campaign:
* next to no grassroots-campaigns
* next to no data-analysis staff
* no rapid response PR-staff (Trump said, he would be that)
* Only one staffer for campaign communications, Hope Hicks, and she has no prior campaign-experience. And there already exists an Internet-meme how she refuses to issue comments on anything.

Trump demands that the RNC cough up the money to fund his campaign while refusing to fundraise to get the RNC that money.

While elections are won locally, Trump keeps on campaigning in territory that is already safely republican.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-fundraising_us_5768a417e4b0853f8bf1fdb0

http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/5768a63515000030001ba760.png


This is how Trump does business:

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/6/20/1539947/-Wait-is-the-Trump-presidential-campaign-just-an-over-elaborate-bank-heist

Trump needed money. Quickly. Because loans he had personally guaranteed were about to be due.

So he founded a company and pocketed some money by making it public and selling its stocks.
Then he sold two money-losing Trump casinos to his new company. At inflated prices. While pocketing a salary for arranging that deal with himself being buyer and seller at the same time.
Then, after setting his new company on the road to financial ruin, Trump continued drawing a salary and making profit from selling over-priced Trump-products to this new company.

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It's just one big con-job.
Campaigning for President with as little effort as possible, spending as little of his own money as possible.
Expecting other investors (the RNC...) to cough up the money to keep HIS venture running.
Trump is putting NOTHING on the line for his own campaign.
Trump is already preparing talking-points to have scapegoats ready in case of failure: like his "not-so-smart" campaign-staff, or how the RNC refused to support him in every way possible...

And when this non-campaign explodes in a fiery crash of colossal defeat, who will walk away from this venture without a scratch, without money lost, and with plenty of new media-attention to make more money???

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If Trump is running for President, why is he running his campaign like a business-opportunity he wants to exploit, instead of like an actual election-campaign???
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Tue 21 Jun, 2016 05:59 am
http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoons/VarveG/2016/VarveG20160621_low.jpg

http://assets.amuniversal.com/e11b99f019cc013473af005056a9545d.gif

https://cdn.creators.com/211/180910/180910_image.jpg

https://cdn.creators.com/214/180913/180913_image.jpg

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DrewDad
 
  2  
Tue 21 Jun, 2016 07:37 am
@Blickers,
Just gotta love graphs that cut off the bottom portion in order to make the graph look scary.
Blickers
 
  4  
Tue 21 Jun, 2016 09:05 am
@DrewDad,
The previous graph showed the rise in debt/gdp ratio actually levelling off, but yes, I wish the graph had gone down to zero instead of 60%.

Here's another graph from the same source showing the debt / gdp ratio that only has 20% cutoff, it looks even less scary. Not rosy, but not scary.

http://cdn.tradingeconomics.com/charts/united-states-government-debt-to-gdp.png?s=usadebt2gdp&v=201606141716n&d1=19160101&d2=20161231&type=column
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Tue 21 Jun, 2016 11:11 am
http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r589/duadmin/160621-trump-scam_zps5ewumdym.jpg
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Tue 21 Jun, 2016 11:21 am
@bobsal u1553115,
He's successful as a con man; look at all that money he earned. Most of us couldn't earn that much in a life time.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Wed 22 Jun, 2016 06:01 am
https://cdn.creators.com/198/180971/180971_image.jpg
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Wed 22 Jun, 2016 06:08 am
http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoons/SiersK/2016/SiersK20160622_low.jpg

http://assets.amuniversal.com/56bb85b01a10013473fb005056a9545d.gif

https://cdn.creators.com/201/180916/180916_image.jpg

http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoons/BensoL/2016/BensoL20160622_low.jpg
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Thu 23 Jun, 2016 06:14 am
Don Trump (again) says US troops are thieves. Vets explode in anger.
Donald Trump yesterday, for the second time, appeared to accuse US troops in Iraq of being thieves.

Trump had made the same accusation a year ago, suggesting this wasn’t simply an off-the-cuff mistake. Also, it’s difficult to believe, as the Trump campaign is now alleging, that Trump was referring to Iraq troops, when Trump made the same claim a year ago.

As you can imagine, the troops and vets are not at all pleased with their potentially future commander-in-chief accusing them of being crooks, and “living very well” after leaving Iraq, when many left Iraq with PTSD and serious injuries.

First, a look at what Trump said, then the response from the troops. Here’s John Harwood of the New York Times and CNBC:

http://americablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/by-default-2016-06-15-at-11.25.09-AM.jpg


http://americablog.com/2016/06/trump-says-us-troops-thieves-vets-explode-anger.html
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bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Thu 23 Jun, 2016 07:04 am

What We Know About the Newest Rape Allegations Against Donald Trump
Revelist obtained details from the attorney on the case.
By Emily Shugerman / Revelist
June 22, 2016



This article was originally published at Revelist.

Trump is accused of rape, battery and a litany of other crimes.

The plaintiff alleges that, throughout the summer of 1994, she was imprisoned and raped at parties hosted by finance billionaire Jeffery Epstein.

Doe's attorney, Thomas Meagher, told Revelist that Doe left home at age 13 to attempt a modeling career in New York City. While struggling to get started in the industry, one of Epstein's associates—who has now submitted an affidavit in Doe's case against him—spotted her. The associate told Doe that she could be paid to attend parties hosted by Epstein, and that they would help to advance her career. She attended several such parties that summer.

Doe claims she encountered Trump at four of these parties, where he "initiated sexual contact" each time. In the fourth and final encounter, she alleges Trump tied her to the bed, exposed himself, and raped her.

"During the course of this savage sexual attack, Plaintiff loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to stop but with no effect," the suit alleges. "Defendant Trump responded to Plaintiff's pleas by violently striking Plaintiff in the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted."

After the encounter, the plaintiff alleges that Trump threatened to kill her family if she told anyone about it. Doe remained silent for 12 years, before this year's campaign made facing her past with Trump "unavoidable."
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"This is a woman who is pained by what she went through," Meagher told Revelist. "She has major intimacy problems, she's never had a relationship that lasted, never had children, never gotten married … And seeing [Trump] on TV all the time caused her to think through what to do about it, and ultimately resulted in what she did in April."

Doe launched her first suit against Trump two months ago.

Going by the name of Katie Johnson, Doe filed a similar suit in California federal court in April, asking for $100 million in damages. The California lawsuit contains graphic details not contained in the New York filing, including allegations that Trump forced her to perform oral sex, and to "engage in an unnatural lesbian sex act" with a 12-year-old girl.

"Johnson" represented herself in that case. She claimed to have less than $300 to her name. In order to have the costs of the lawsuit waived, she filed the case as a civil rights complaint. But U.S. magistrate judge Karen Stevenson tossed the case out in May—not for lack of evidence, but because she said Johnson failed to state a civil rights claim. She also cited problems with verifying Johnson's address and telephone number.

Meagher told Revelist he read about the case, and its eventual dismissal, online. Through the website Gossip Extra, he learned the plaintiff wanted to try the case again—with legal counsel this time—but was having difficulty finding a lawyer. That's when he reached out to the website to offer his support to Doe.

She accepted. Together with Epstein's former associate, the pair began writing their claim against the two infamous billionaires.

The connection between Epstein and Trump goes back decades.

Photo: Wikipedia (compilation via Revelist)

Jeffrey Epstein—the man accused of imprisoning Doe—also happens to be a registered sex offender, who has already been accused of keeping women as "sex slaves" for himself and his wealthy friends. Such influential friends include Bill Clinton, Stephen Hawking—and yes, Donald Trump.

Like most high-profile scumbags, Epstein kept a "little black book" of his clients and friends. Though Trump’s attorney claimed he had "no relationship” with Epstein, his notebook, obtained by the FBI, lists 14 contact numbers for the Republican candidate.

Epstein even admitted to "socializing" with Trump while on trial in 2010. But he curiously plead the fifth when asked if he had ever socialized with the businessman around minor-aged girls. Unfortunately for Epstein, Trump had already revealed their mutual appreciation for underage women in a 2002 interview.

"I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,'' Trump told New York Magazine. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it—Jeffrey enjoys his social life."

One of Epstein's victims—Victoria Roberts—even claimed to have been "recruited" to the billionaire's band of sex slaves while working at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort.

This isn't the first time Trump's been accused of abuse.

Photo: Christopherpeterson at English Wikipedia (compilation via Revelist)

There is Jill Harth, who filed a lawsuit in 1997 claiming Trump groped her, propositioned her, and forcibly took her into her daughter's bedroom in an attempt to sleep with her. Or Trump’s own wife, Ivana, who stated in a 1993 deposition that he had raped her.

Ivana later issued a statement, provided by Trump's lawyers, saying she didn't mean the term in a "criminal sense." But the encounter, laid out in the 1993 book "Lost Tycoon," is undeniably violent and forceful.

"[Trump] rips off her clothes and unzips his pants," author Harry Hunt writes. "Then he jams his penis inside her for the first time in 16 months. Ivana is terrified. This is not lovemaking. This is not romantic sex. This is a violent assault."

Trump dismissed the account as false, and said it was written by "an unattractive guy who is a vindictive and jealous person."

While Doe's case is still developing, what we know now is this: Trump is accused of raping a 13-year-old girl, at parties hosted by a friend and registered sex offender. He has been accused of sexual assault before—including by this same plaintiff—but it seems this alleged victim will let nothing stop her pursuit of justice.

This article was originally published at Revelist.
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McGentrix
 
  -1  
Thu 23 Jun, 2016 07:16 am
Trump's hands are allegedly small. How hard could he have slapped her? Also, why is Bill Clinton named in the suit. It seems he attended those same parties and we all know what a dog he is.
DrewDad
 
  4  
Thu 23 Jun, 2016 07:55 am
@McGentrix,
Even for gallows/dark humor, that's pretty lame.

Call me a dull stick, but somehow I just don't find rape and abuse to be appropriate topics for humor. Especially when it's a vehicle for partisan political jabs.

-1 for style. -1 for poor taste.
McGentrix
 
  -3  
Thu 23 Jun, 2016 08:05 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

Even for gallows/dark humor, that's pretty lame.

Call me a dull stick, but somehow I just don't find rape and abuse to be appropriate topics for humor. Especially when it's a vehicle for partisan political jabs.

-1 for style. -1 for poor taste.


Did you read what you wrote?

"Especially when it's a vehicle for partisan political jabs."

Seriously? That is all that this IS. Lighten up Francis.
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