ehBeth
 
  2  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 08:50 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
Tell us all why people in a democratic republic have to keep voting, to stay on the electoral roll.


it's a 40+ y.o. party rule

not a new rule

Quote:
New York's laws requiring advance registration held up in a 1973 Supreme Court case.


it applies to party members who want to vote in the primary in New York State

if they're party members interested in voting in primaries they can look up the rules (or ask). it's on Mr Sanders website how to vote (by state)

and on a bunch of websites including

http://news.wbfo.org/post/different-ballots-different-rules-new-york-primary#stream/0
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 08:52 am
@roger,
roger wrote:
I have been told Bernie is an Independent running as a Democrat.


his current Senate webpage offers

Quote:
His previous 16 years in the House of Representatives make him the longest serving independent member of Congress in American history


http://www.sanders.senate.gov/about

he seems to self-identify as an independent
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revelette2
 
  2  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 03:02 pm
The Ten Plagues of Trump

Donald Trump picked an inopportune time to try to make people forget his history: concurrent with the Jewish festival of Passover, a holiday about recalling the past.

With a haste suggesting he thinks Americans aren’t all that bright, Trump has been rebranding himself as an inoffensive candidate for the general election. He gave a temperate victory speech in New York on Tuesday and he took more moderate positions this week on gay rights, abortion and the national debt. Trump’s chief strategist, The Post reports, told a group of Republicans privately that Trump had been playing a “part” and is “now evolving.”

Those appalled by Trump’s campaign of insults aren’t about to let him succeed in that evolution. But there is a challenge in this exercise: After so many outrageous things have come out of his mouth, which ones to choose?

I suggest borrowing a page from the Passover Haggadah. The seder service recalls the Ten Plaguesthat God inflicted on the Egyptians: blood, frogs, lice, wild animals, pestilence, boils, hail, locusts, darkness and slaying of the firstborn. This, come to think of it, sounds a lot like Trump’s descriptions of women: fat pigs, dogs, slobs, disgusting animals. But if the Ten Plagues of Egypt were enough to deliver the Israelites from Pharaoh, perhaps these Ten Plagues of Trump will help to deliver America from his efforts to make voters forget the past 10 months.

Blood


Trump on Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly: “You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever.” Trump has previously said that what matters is having “a young and beautiful piece of ass,” and he said avoiding sexually transmitted diseases was “my personal Vietnam.”

Rapists

Mexico is “sending people that have lots of problems,” he said. “They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.”

Trump has called repeatedly for rounding up and deporting all 11 million illegal immigrants, alleged that prominent Hispanic American journalists are controlled by Mexico, mocked Asian accents and disabled people, and told Jews they wouldn’t support him “because I don’t want your money.”

Lies

Trump said he saw “thousands and thousands” of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating the 9/11 attacks. He also let stand the charge at one of his events that President Obama is a Muslim.

Sucker punches

When a protester was escorted from a Trump rally, Trump fondly recalled the old days, when “they’d be carried out on a stretcher.” Trump said of the protester: “I’d like to punch him in the face.” Trump also considered paying the legal fees of a supporter who cold-cocked a black demonstrator at one of his rallies and who said, “The next time we see him, we might have to kill him.” Trump also retweeted tweets from white supremacists and suggested a Black Lives Matter demonstrator roughed up at his event deserved it.

Waterboarding

Trump said he would like to bring back waterboarding for terrorism detainees and a “hell of a lot worse than waterboarding.” He said at one point that he would expect the military to follow illegal orders to torture detainees and to target innocent family members of terrorists.

Chains

Trump, before recanting, said “there has to be some form of punishment” for women who get an abortion once the procedure is made illegal.

Foul mouths

Trump has told mass rallies that he wants to “bomb the [expletive] out of ISIS.” He called his chief rival, Ted Cruz, a “pussy,” and made unsubstantiated insinuations about Cruz’s wife, Heidi: “Be careful, Lyin’ Ted, or I will spill the beans on your wife!”

Schlongs

Trump used the occasion of a nationally televised debate to “guarantee you” there was “no problem” with the size of his penis.

Dark people

Trump has called for a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States” — except perhaps for “very rich Muslims” who are his friends.

Flaying of the first birther

Trump led the “birther” movement challenging President Obama’s standing as a natural-born American. During the campaign he called for ending the American tradition of birthright citizenship for all born on U.S. soil.

Like the Seder service on Passover, the catalog of Trump’s outrages could go on and on. And it should: Post Opinions Digital Editor James Downie and I are compiling a comprehensive list of Trumpisms, and we invite you to send us your favorites at [email protected] to make sure all of his offenses are included

But even if we only had these Ten Plagues of Trump, it would be enough — dayenu, as we say during Passover — to make Trump’s rebranding impossible.
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Donald Trump picked an inopportune time to try to make people forget his history: concurrent with the Jewish festival of Passover, a holiday about recalling the past.

With a haste suggesting he thinks Americans aren’t all that bright, Trump has been rebranding himself as an inoffensive candidate for the general election. He gave a temperate victory speech in New York on Tuesday and he took more moderate positions this week on gay rights, abortion and the national debt. Trump’s chief strategist, The Post reports, told a group of Republicans privately that Trump had been playing a “part” and is “now evolving.”

Those appalled by Trump’s campaign of insults aren’t about to let him succeed in that evolution. But there is a challenge in this exercise: After so many outrageous things have come out of his mouth, which ones to choose?

I suggest borrowing a page from the Passover Haggadah. The seder service recalls the Ten Plaguesthat God inflicted on the Egyptians: blood, frogs, lice, wild animals, pestilence, boils, hail, locusts, darkness and slaying of the firstborn. This, come to think of it, sounds a lot like Trump’s descriptions of women: fat pigs, dogs, slobs, disgusting animals. But if the Ten Plagues of Egypt were enough to deliver the Israelites from Pharaoh, perhaps these Ten Plagues of Trump will help to deliver America from his efforts to make voters forget the past 10 months.

Blood


Trump on Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly: “You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever.” Trump has previously said that what matters is having “a young and beautiful piece of ass,” and he said avoiding sexually transmitted diseases was “my personal Vietnam.”

Rapists

Mexico is “sending people that have lots of problems,” he said. “They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.”

Trump has called repeatedly for rounding up and deporting all 11 million illegal immigrants, alleged that prominent Hispanic American journalists are controlled by Mexico, mocked Asian accents and disabled people, and told Jews they wouldn’t support him “because I don’t want your money.”

Lies

Trump said he saw “thousands and thousands” of Muslims in New Jersey celebrating the 9/11 attacks. He also let stand the charge at one of his events that President Obama is a Muslim.

Sucker punches

When a protester was escorted from a Trump rally, Trump fondly recalled the old days, when “they’d be carried out on a stretcher.” Trump said of the protester: “I’d like to punch him in the face.” Trump also considered paying the legal fees of a supporter who cold-cocked a black demonstrator at one of his rallies and who said, “The next time we see him, we might have to kill him.” Trump also retweeted tweets from white supremacists and suggested a Black Lives Matter demonstrator roughed up at his event deserved it.

Waterboarding

Trump said he would like to bring back waterboarding for terrorism detainees and a “hell of a lot worse than waterboarding.” He said at one point that he would expect the military to follow illegal orders to torture detainees and to target innocent family members of terrorists.

Chains

Trump, before recanting, said “there has to be some form of punishment” for women who get an abortion once the procedure is made illegal.

Foul mouths

Trump has told mass rallies that he wants to “bomb the [expletive] out of ISIS.” He called his chief rival, Ted Cruz, a “pussy,” and made unsubstantiated insinuations about Cruz’s wife, Heidi: “Be careful, Lyin’ Ted, or I will spill the beans on your wife!”

Schlongs

Trump used the occasion of a nationally televised debate to “guarantee you” there was “no problem” with the size of his penis.

Dark people

Trump has called for a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States” — except perhaps for “very rich Muslims” who are his friends.

Flaying of the first birther

Trump led the “birther” movement challenging President Obama’s standing as a natural-born American. During the campaign he called for ending the American tradition of birthright citizenship for all born on U.S. soil.

Like the Seder service on Passover, the catalog of Trump’s outrages could go on and on. And it should: Post Opinions Digital Editor James Downie and I are compiling a comprehensive list of Trumpisms, and we invite you to send us your favorites at [email protected] to make sure all of his offenses are included

But even if we only had these Ten Plagues of Trump, it would be enough — dayenu, as we say during Passover — to make Trump’s rebranding impossible.
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revelette2
 
  3  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 03:08 pm
Donald Trump and his aides admit that it’s all an act

Quote:
I think Manafort is getting a little too cute with that distinction — Trump has an awful lot of character negatives — but the frankness on display here is stunning. It isn’t the first time we’ve heard something like this — Trump himself has said, “I’m very capable of changing to anything I want to change to.” But when was the last time you heard a candidate’s top aide say in public that he’s been “playing a part,” and now he’ll just be playing a new part?

If you listen to Trump’s supporters, one of the things they cite for their attraction to him is that unlike every other politician, he’s authentic. He “tells it like it is,” they say again and again. He’s not like those candidates whose every word is crafted and rehearsed. He’s real.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 03:12 pm
@revelette2,
He's a real racial bigot and xenophobe. That's all I need to know about this creep.
roger
 
  2  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 04:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
But, there's so much more to know.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 04:13 pm
@roger,
Let me know when you come across those "so much more to know."
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revelette2
 
  4  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 05:33 pm
I've been focusing on Trump because against all logical predictions it looks like Trump will be running against Hillary. I do not want a republican in office now when there is a supreme court vacancy. To me that is more important than dwelling on the democratic primary of which it would take a minor miracle for Bernie to win.

So, this is what Donald Trump on his best behavior looks like.

It seems people think they can just turn 180 degrees and no one questions their authenticity.

Personally I can't wait until Trump is forced to answer questions on a debate stage with Hillary Clinton.





oralloy
 
  -3  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 05:52 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
I do not want a republican in office now when there is a supreme court vacancy.

Why?

Most Democrats hate the Constitution and civil rights, and they appoint justices who hate the Constitution and civil rights.

Most Republicans love the Constitution and civil rights, and they appoint justices who love the Constitution and civil rights.

The very freedom of our nation is at stake here.
farmerman
 
  5  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 05:59 pm
@oralloy,
Most f the GOP power structure qre closet (qnd not so closet) OLIGARCHS.
You said that you were not a fan of "Citizen United" thats a very plain example of "Loving the Constitution" (so long as they can twist it to fit their needs.0
oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 06:13 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
You said that you were not a fan of "Citizen United"

I did?

I really don't pay much attention to the ruling, but it seems pretty straightforward. Rich people have the right to express their views.


farmerman wrote:
thats a very plain example of "Loving the Constitution" (so long as they can twist it to fit their needs.

Freedom of Speech is indeed part of the Constitution.


The most blatant example of Democratic malfeasance is assault weapons bans.

The fact that there is no good reason to ban a pistol grip on a rifle means that such a ban is blatantly unconstitutional.

The fact that there is no good reason to ban a pistol grip on a rifle means that the only reason why the Left wants to do so is because they enjoy violating civil rights for the fun of it.


There was just an incident in Michigan where some sort of local council barfed up some nonsense about banning assault weapons. No word yet on whether there is going to be a specific recall effort or whether people will simply vote the thugs out of office on election day.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 06:47 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
There was just an incident in Michigan where some sort of local council barfed up some nonsense about banning assault weapons. No word yet on whether there is going to be a specific recall effort or whether people will simply vote the thugs out of office on election day.

http://wtvbam.com/news/articles/2016/apr/19/constantine-village-council-declines-to-take-up-statement-on-assault-rifles/

I hope they recall the scumbag. Election day is too far away.
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RABEL222
 
  1  
Fri 22 Apr, 2016 07:32 pm
@revelette2,
He hasent answered any in republican debates.
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Builder
 
  1  
Sat 23 Apr, 2016 02:29 am
@parados,
Quote:
Your complaint is that someone that hasn't voted in an election, let alone a party election should be allowed to vote against party rules isn't about a democratic republic at all. It's about how the parties create their rules. The political parties are not required to be democratic in how they decide their candidates.


So the parties themselves create rules that they aren't under any obligation to share with the public? Am I hearing that right?

Builder
 
  1  
Sat 23 Apr, 2016 02:31 am
@maporsche,
Quote:
It's all very confusing


I think that's intentional.
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Setanta
 
  1  
Sat 23 Apr, 2016 02:38 am
The constitution has nothing to say about political parties, which is understandable as there were no political parties then, not in the United States, nor anywhere else. Nattering about a democratic republic is rather ironic, if one's complaint is that the parties make their own rules of governance. Is that not what democracy is all about? What would telling parties how to organize themselves contribute to democracy?
Builder
 
  1  
Sat 23 Apr, 2016 02:59 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
What would telling parties how to organize themselves contribute to democracy?


You've missed the point entirely. The parties aren't telling their members how to organise themselves, which is okay by me, because it's clear the nation is controlled by an oligarchy, but if you're gonna have a play at democracy for the cameras, you need some basic rules of engagement, do you not?
Setanta
 
  1  
Sat 23 Apr, 2016 03:04 am
@Builder,
Your oligarchy bullsh*t gets tedious. Oz is every bit as oligarchic as the United States. The parties are free to organize themselves as they choose, and that is democracy in action. Your "rules of engagement" comment is telling. You seem to be looking for a fight. You know far too little bout the United States to be strutting around pontificating as you have for pages now.
Builder
 
  1  
Sat 23 Apr, 2016 03:08 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
You know far too little bout the United States to be strutting around pontificating as you have for pages now.


You'd need to post something to back that up, Setanta.

I don't see it. Please elaborate or extrapolate.
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Setanta
 
  1  
Sat 23 Apr, 2016 03:17 am
Oh, i'm sure you don't see it. You're not looking. You just came here to fulminate against the United States, a favorite pasttime of so many in the world.
 

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