The Future President, Donald Trump

@BillRM,

Please provide the relevant, credible, link to that fact.

@cicerone imposter,

I stated if memory serve me correctly not that I had links to the subject but I do have a fairly clear memory that some of the teens did confess after a lot of pressure was placed on them by the police to do so.

I suggest if you wish to clear up the matter that you might look the subject up on wikipedia.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Please provide the relevant, credible, link to that fact.

The NY Times acceptable?

Central Park Jogger Case (1989)

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Updated: Oct. 3, 2012

On April 19, 1989, a young woman was raped and beaten nearly to death while running in Central Park. The victim became world famous as the Central Park Jogger, as the brutality, randomness and site of the attack made it emblematic not only of a city spun out of control but of intractable racial polarization.

Six black or Hispanic teenagers were charged, and five eventually convicted in the attack. The five men, who were teenagers at the time, were held and interviewed by the police for more than 24 hours before they confessed. Their arrests led to headlines that included “wolf pack” and the coined term “wilding” that fueled racial divisions.

Years later, an imprisoned murderer and serial rapist, Matias Reyes, said that he alone had attacked the jogger. A DNA test confirmed that he had raped her, and a judge threw out the five men’s convictions.

The identity of the jogger, who suffered brain damage, was shielded by major news organizations. She remained anonymous until she revealed herself as Trisha Meili and wrote a bestselling book, “I Am the Central Park Jogger: A Story of Hope and Possibility,” in 2003.

She has no memory of the attack.

It really sucks that you can't figure out Google. You could do this **** yourself.

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@McGentrix,

That only proves that the police tactics were illegal. They didn't have an attorney to represent them.

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@McGentrix,

Trump has made race an enormous issue. I'm just paying attention.

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@cicerone imposter,

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That only proves that the police tactics were illegal. They didn't have an attorney to represent them

police tactics were illegal.

WRONG

Attorneys or not they confessed to the crime and you have the right to wave having attorneys with you during a confession.

Next they was found guilty of that crime partly due to their confessions so a judge did not find at the time that the confessions was illegal.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

Trump has made race an enormous issue. I'm just paying attention.

The media has made race an enormous issue.

Do you disagree that there are Mexicans that are in the US illegally? Do you disagree that some of these illegals are not Doctors, Lawyers and college educated people? Do you disagree that some illegal Mexican have raped and killed American citizens?

Do you disagree that some Muslims want to kill American citizens? Do you have the innate ability to tell which Muslim that person is? Do you think that means we should have a little tighter security for people entering the US legally from Muslim countries then say, Ireland and England?

Trump has said a lot of things about a lot of people, he is certainly playing to audience, but that doesn't make him Hitler.

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@McGentrix,

However all studies that I am aware of show that immigrants as a group legal or not legal are far more law abiding then citizens so to paint them as a danger due to them being illegally immigrants have no more foundation then the old claims that blacks males as a class are rapists of white women.

It is a clear racist attack on them that are without any connection to the real world even if you can find some immigrants that are rapists or murderers or whatever.

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@McGentrix,

Someone make the Trump case to me. From where I sit, it looks like:

- Trump is not a straight talker, in fact just about every statement he made during the debates is either a half lie or a straight out lie
- Trump is not a successful businessman. He's being sued for failure to deliver on projects, his Trump university looks like a scam, the growth on his wealth is very anemic to the point where he'd have 10 billion (!) more if he'd just retired and invested it in the stock market.
- It's not that he is not politically correct, it's that he uses claims of not being politically correct to just lie about groups of people. You can say "oh, haven't there been illegal immigrant rapists??", but we all know that the crime rate among the illegal immigrant community is lower than for the native population. You can say "aren't there some Muslims who want to hurt us??", but again, we know that there are over a billion of them that just want to live their lives and that the constitution says the government cannot curtail religious freedom.
- He demonstrates almost no knowledge of international affairs and doesn't understand how saying he will torture innocent women and children will play into our enemy's hands. It's bad when generals have to come out and say the military will not obey illegal commands from the President.

So why do you support this guy? What is his redeeming feature? This isn't an attack, I want to understand. I didn't care for Romney but I recognized that he was really good at making money and he routinely demonstrated his skills in government both in Mass and with the Olympics. Is it a desire the burn the country to the ground and start over? Is it a formless rage that says we would run through downtown and smash all the businesses to pulp? There are clearly people of good intent here to support Trump. Why?

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@engineer,

Before you posted that irrelevant Wink

Trumpian argument Engineer, this political thread devolved in the a2k fashion into typical prorape territory. I'm still waiting for the best hamburger to follow suit. Until that happens, let me digress by pushing this thread towards its intended target: Donald Trump.

tsarstepan wrote:

#trumpshowusyourpenis
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG5kSgJtyQg[/youtube]

If you have a Twitter or Facebook account, let me politely request that you help sow this current viral monster against Donald Trump.

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@tsarstepan,

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this political thread devolved in the a2k fashion into typical prorape territory

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@engineer,

What is your definition of a successful business man if you feel Trump is not?

He's had some failures, he's had some success. I am not sure how you are gauging success, please elaborate.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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this political thread devolved in the a2k fashion into typical prorape territory

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What in the name of hell does the Central Park 5 have to do with the current political primary season and Donald Trump? Absolfreakly nothing. Continuing that nonsense in this thread is an unnecessary diversion to the current (and ONLY) topic that this thread is about.

BTW: Are you proTrump? That would exclaim why you personally are vomiting up some of the weirdest smokescreens/digressions on this thread? I hate Trump and I know he has nothing to do with the Kennedy assassination.

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

What is your definition of a successful business man if you feel Trump is not?

He's had some failures, he's had some success. I am not sure how you are gauging success, please elaborate.

Anyone declaring bankruptcy 4 times in no stretch of the imagination be considered successful. He's quite successful at being a charlatan and/or a cult leader not at being a businessman.

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@tsarstepan,

and you want to see his penis. That's some messed up **** man. Wanting to see an old man's penis... what is wrong with you?
Sounds like you might be a bit more pro-Trump than you let on.

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@McGentrix,

What major companies did he create in his lifetime?

I can off hand think of any numbers of great businessmen who created not only great companies but great industries.

From the railroads to the oil/energy industries to the movies to the automobiles to the rubber industries and on and on.

Hell the two Coulter brothers I work for started as a very small start up med lab equipment company in the late 1950s and growth it into a billion dollar private company by the 1980s.

So other then being a showman what abilities that benefit the society as a whole and what wealth did Trump created?

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@tsarstepan,

tsarstepan wrote:

Anyone declaring bankruptcy 4 times in no stretch of the imagination be considered successful. He's quite successful at being a charlatan and/or a cult leader not at being a businessman.

Is it bankruptcy in general or specifically 4 times that you determine the success of a businessman?

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Repeated bankruptcy can be a business method of management and a guarantee of success.

However, the ethics of such persons are plain to see...

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

What is your definition of a successful business man if you feel Trump is not?

He's had some failures, he's had some success. I am not sure how you are gauging success, please elaborate.

Successful means that the reward/risk ratio is higher than the average person could achieve. While most of my money is invested in well diversified funds, I do have some money that I try to invest on my own. Sometimes I win big, sometimes I lose. I measure my success on beating the market with less risk. If I tie the market, I consider that I lose since I put time and effort into it, usually take more risk and didn't get a better return.

Trump has significantly underperformed the market. If he had retired in 1982 and put all his money in an index fund, he would have made significantly more money than he made on his business ventures. He had higher risk and lower rewards. He is in a business where he should have been able to make a killing if he was successful. He is underperforming on reward while taking higher risk so I deem him not successful.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

What major companies did he create in his lifetime?

I can off hand think of any numbers of great businessmen who created not only great companies but great industries.

From the railroads to the oil/energy industries to the movies to the automobiles to the rubber industries and on and on.

Hell the two Coulter brothers I work for started as a very small start up med lab equipment company in the late 1950s and growth it into a billion dollar private company by the 1980s.

So other then being a showman what abilities that benefit the society as a whole and what wealth did Trump created?

The majority of Trump's success is in real estate, where he got his start. Let's use the Grand Hyatt Hotel in NYC as an example.

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Trump bought the former Commodore Hotel, which had fallen into relative disrepair, from Penn Central Railroad in 1974 and after six years of construction, the Grand Hyatt Hotel debuted. Smack dab in the heart of New York City, with the image of Grand Central reflected off its glass façade, the 34-story hotel is still booming business today.

That is a lot of jobs and a lot of wealth spread around.
40 Wall Street

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Trump purchased the building in 1995 for $1 million and renovated it for $35 million. Today, 40 Wall Street, one of the tallest office buildings in downtown New York, is worth over $500 million.

That seems like a pretty successful endeavor.

You aren't going to go back and try to compare him to the Robber Barons of old are you? I mean he is no Rockefeller or Vanderbilt or Carnegie, but he is by no means the complete failure that you guys are attempting to make him out to be.

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