BillRM
 
  -1  
Mon 29 Feb, 2016 06:09 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
And now you are either drunk or cannot communicate in English.


Lord you would think that the NSA would do some psychological testing of it employees unless you had gone downhill since your retirement or was force into retirement.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Mon 29 Feb, 2016 06:11 pm
@BillRM,
You need to improve your English grammar.
BillRM
 
  -1  
Mon 29 Feb, 2016 06:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
"Rome Republic?" Your imagination at work again. LOL


So CI you do not know that a large percent of our foundering fathers was into the Rome Republic and even used names of famous Romans as pen names for their writing on our future government.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 29 Feb, 2016 06:18 pm
@BillRM,
How does 'pen names' become the "Rome Republic?"
BillRM
 
  -1  
Mon 29 Feb, 2016 06:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
You need to improve your English grammar.


An you need to do some reading on the history of the human race so what you write might be worth reading.

Can not believe that you do not have a clue on the effected of the Rome Republic history on our founding fathers.
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BillRM
 
  -1  
Mon 29 Feb, 2016 06:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
CI you can not be that dumb the founding fathers in a great number of cases use the names of important figures in the Rome republic history as pen names.
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snood
 
  3  
Mon 29 Feb, 2016 06:29 pm
Our foundering fathers. LOL
BillRM
 
  -1  
Mon 29 Feb, 2016 06:31 pm
Quote:


http://hauensteincenter.org/american-founding-10-roman-influence/

The Founders’ and Framers’ noms de plume were Roman — Publius, Cicero, Cincinnatus, Cato, Brutus. They consciously identified with Roman models of republican virtue. So:

- Washington: Cincinnatus (to others), Fabius the Delayer (to history), Cato the Younger (to himself)
- Adams: Cicero, the greatest attorney of the ancient world.
- Jefferson: Cicero
- Madison: Publius, to our Founders, the first great republican leader in world history, a model republican.
- Hamilton: Caesar originally, according to Donald D’Elia, then Publius
- Jay: Publius

- John Dickinson (conservative, headed up Articles of Confederation): Fabius in Letters from a Farmer in Pennsylvania

The Founders’ political ideas were largely informed by Roman republican and imperial ideas. They sought to create a mixed constitution that balanced monarchy, aristocracy, and democracy. (This is why our nation is not technically a democracy.)

The political vocabulary they used — republic, virtue, president, capitol, constitution, Senate — was based on Latin words. The legislative processes they utilized — veto, sine die — were Latin. Many of their political symbols — the eagle, the fasces, the image of a leader on a coin — were Roman in inspiration.

The architecture of the American Founding also showed a predilection for the Roman aesthetic sense. It’s not too much of a stretch to assert that the buildings and monuments lining the National Mall in Washington, DC — with its stately, classical architecture — might resemble a Roman colony; the new additions constructed in the 1930s continued the Roman theme. The Capitol was inspired by Renaissance models that, in turn, were loosely based on the Roman Pantheon. Thomas Jefferson’s home, Monticello, looks like a Roman temple. The Founders’ sculpture and painting were also inspired by Roman precedents. It is not unusual to see George Washington adorned in a toga.

The Founders were fascinated by the fall of the Western Empire and took the lessons from that fall and applied those lessons to the American cause. They were especially concerned that luxury would lead to the undoing of republican virtue.

Moreover, the Romans went through a dramatic passage from a somewhat “foreign” monarchy (the Etruscans) to the republic — just as Americans did at our Founding, when we separated from an increasingly foreign and tyrannical British monarchy. (The Georges, recall, were Hanoverians.)

The Founders had ideas of what a good empire could be — e.g., Jefferson’s Empire of Liberty — that borrowed from the universal ideals of the Roman Empire. But our Founders also warned that empires can injure freedom if there are few checks and balances. The dictatorial or absolute rulers who emerged during the Roman civil wars and Roman Empire provided antimodels, examples of the Hell we should never descend into.

Many Southern aristocrats identified with the ancient Romans because of the institution of slavery. Many Northern yankees feared that slavery hurt the development of a middle-class economy, so they took away another lesson from ancient Rome.

Bread and circuses — today’s bridge cards and ESPN — may also be relevant to our experience as Americans, as they tend to keep civil unrest to a minimum because unemployed and underemployed people are fed and entertained and even have a vicarious outlet for frustration, anger, and violence.

The Roman Eras
BillRM
 
  -1  
Mon 29 Feb, 2016 06:33 pm
@snood,
Quote:
Our foundering fathers. LOL


Strange and sad that you have nothing to add but LOL at a typo.
snood
 
  2  
Mon 29 Feb, 2016 06:43 pm
@BillRM,
Who could add to your profound musings, Bill?

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BillRM
 
  -1  
Mon 29 Feb, 2016 06:46 pm
Beside myself does anyone here know any world history?

glitterbag
 
  2  
Mon 29 Feb, 2016 06:49 pm
@BillRM,
Shocked
BillRM
 
  -1  
Mon 29 Feb, 2016 06:53 pm
@glitterbag,
Well glitterbag are you claiming that you have some grounding in world history?
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Mon 29 Feb, 2016 06:55 pm
@BillRM,
All true, except perhaps a couple of details. But the overal thesis is sound, and in that perspective the rise of the US military in terms of funding and political influence is bad omen. The roman emperors were basically successful generals (or sometimes not so successful) who managed to minimize the role of the senate to a decorative one.
BillRM
 
  -2  
Mon 29 Feb, 2016 06:57 pm
@glitterbag,
Woman from NSA who was the queen who lost her head due to her secret cipher being broken by English agents and what kind of cipher was it.
BillRM
 
  -1  
Mon 29 Feb, 2016 07:05 pm
@Olivier5,
At one time the Roman legions troops was drawn from the small land owners, but thank to the small land owners being bought out by the super wealth of Rome they needed to go to hired troops that was not stakeholders in Rome and was loyal only to the generals who paid them instead of the Rome state.
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BillRM
 
  -1  
Mon 29 Feb, 2016 07:31 pm
@BillRM,
Glitterbag do you need a hint as to who the queen happen to be? She was a Catholic in good standing with the church.
glitterbag
 
  2  
Mon 29 Feb, 2016 08:11 pm
@BillRM,
You are an embarrassment to yourself, I am proud of my 32 years of work with DOD. Franky I don't give a good god damn what silly ass views you have or what kind of dopey evidence you think you have, and you know why????? Because you are lower than whale crap, and that rests on the bottom of the ocean. But I bet you think you are some sort of genius for remembering some off-hand comment I may have made on the forum, and you have some sort of dislike for the Federal Government or organized religion, stop embarrassing yourself, you stunted creep. Who do think you are? Some sort of sharp intellect? You're not, Jesus H, Christ, you know you aren't. What can you possibly hope to accomplish? You don't know, you're just a sad little putz angry at everyone because you don't measure up.
snood
 
  1  
Mon 29 Feb, 2016 08:14 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

You are an embarrassment to yourself, I am proud of my 32 years of work with DOD. Franky I don't give a good god damn what silly ass views you have or what kind of dopey evidence you think you have, and you know why????? Because you are lower than whale crap, and that rests on the bottom of the ocean. But I bet you think you are some sort of genius for remembering some off-hand comment I may have made on the forum, and you have some sort of dislike for the Federal Government or organized religion, stop embarrassing yourself, you stunted creep. Who do think you are? Some sort of sharp intellect? You're not, Jesus H, Christ, you know you aren't. What can you possibly hope to accomplish? You don't know, you're just a sad little putz angry at everyone because you don't measure up.


You know, GB, you really shouldn't repress your true feelings - just say what you really think! Very Happy
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 29 Feb, 2016 08:25 pm
@Olivier5,
Talk about government waste, we spend more on defense than the top industrial countries in the world.
Look at how Russia, North Korea, and China continues to play chicken with us. It's laughable.
 

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