BillRM
 
  -1  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 08:39 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
but failed to say most were Americans and fought in the US military
Not only that, but the 442 was the most decorated battalion during WWII. Some peoples ignorance is beyond stupid.


There was not a small percent of the total young Japan/American men who due to how they and their families was treated refused to enter the US military by way of the draft being tried and sentence to prison instead.
glitterbag
 
  2  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 08:53 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
but failed to say most were Americans and fought in the US military
Not only that, but the 442 was the most decorated battalion during WWII. Some peoples ignorance is beyond stupid.


There was not a small percent of the total young Japan/American men who due to how they and their families was treated refused to enter the US military by way of the draft being tried and sentence to prison instead.


Please provide a link
RABEL222
 
  1  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 09:11 pm
@farmerman,
Coldjoint dosent exist. He is a figment of a figments imagination.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 09:17 pm
@McGentrix,
I don't trust Hillary: So what's your point?
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BillRM
 
  -1  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 09:24 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
Please provide a link


LOL so a former NSA employee can not do a fast google search for herself?

Here is two links of many many links that show up with a fast google search.

Take note that the 442 was set up for PR reasons and when they could not get enough japan/american voluntaries the government turn to drafting these young men in the camps and set off draft resisters as a result.

Quote:


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/uclas-suyama-project-document-japanese-american-resistance-internment-during-world-n321426

Japanese-American World War II internees are often portrayed as meek and subservient, quietly going along with the U.S. government's orders without question. But the new Suyama Project at the UCLA Asian American Studies Center is uncovering and gathering the untold stories of those who fought back and resisted internment, defying many historic portraits.

The project documents the resistance stories of the conscientious objectors, draft resisters, No-Nos, renunciants, legal challengers, and other "troublemakers" who had been previously silenced by the Japanese-American community.

The men from Tule Lake War Relocation Authority Camp Block 42 who had been illegally arrested at gun point in 1943 for refusing to register for the controversial loyalty questionnaire
The men from Tule Lake War Relocation Authority Camp Block 42 who had been illegally arrested at gun point in 1943 for refusing to register for the controversial loyalty questionnaire. (Tule Lake War Relocation Authority Camp Block 42, 1943) Courtesy of Mamoru “Mori” and James Tanimoto
It also documents everyday acts of resistance such as "borrowing" wood from camp construction sites to make personal furniture, making moonshine in camp, and sneaking out past camp fences to go fishing.

At a recent Suyama event in San Francisco, brothers Mamoru "Mori" and James Tanimoto discussed being illegally rounded up from Tule Lake War Relocation Authority Camp Block 42 for refusing to register for the so-called loyalty questionnaire.

"They were interrogated, rousted at night under bright lights, and made to hear the clicks of guards ominously loading their rifles as if ready to shoot, making the men believe they were going to be executed," wrote documentary filmmaker Frank Abe about their presentation, "Then from the darkness a voice shouted no one was going to escape under his watch, and the men were returned to their barrack."

Mamoru “Mori” and James Tanimoto were two of about 35 men from Tule Lake’s Block 42, who had been illegally arrested at gun point in 1943 for refusing to register for the controversial loyalty questionnaire.
Mamoru “Mori” and James Tanimoto were two of about 35 men from Tule Lake’s Block 42, who had been illegally arrested at gun point in 1943 for refusing to register for the controversial loyalty questionnaire. Martha Nakagawa
Made possible by an anonymous donor, the Suyama project is named for Eji Suyama (1920-2009). A Nisei veteran of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team who took part in the legendary rescue of the "Lost Battalion" of Texas.

After the war he publicly and controversially supported Japanese Americans who protested their incarceration as No-Nos, draft resisters, and renunciants.


"A broadly understood notion of resistance represents a more complete picture of what happened during World War II and how resistance also formed an important dimension of the rights and freedom of Japanese Americans," Director of the UCLA Asian American Studies Center Professor David Yoo told NBC News. "Because these stories touch upon human rights, they are important for all peoples."

In 1999, the former federal prison camp in Tucson was converted to a recreation site and named after Dr. Gordon Hirabayashi, the most well-known prisoner held there.
In 1999, the former federal prison camp in Tucson was converted to a recreation site and named after Dr. Gordon Hirabayashi, the most well-known prisoner held there. In 2001, a second ceremony was held to dedicate interpretive kiosks to educate visitors on the history of the site. (L-R) Roger Nasevama, Hopi conscientious objector; Ken Yoshida Topaz (Central Utah) draft resister; Dr. Gordon Hirabayashi, originally held there for violating the curfew and exclusion orders; Susumu Yenokida, Amache (Granada) draft resister; Harry Yoshikawa, “voluntary evacuee” draft resister; and Noboru Taguma, Amache (Granada) draft resister. Martha Nakagawa



Quote:


http://www.suyamaproject.org/?p=42


To counter such negative publicity, the War Department decided to form an all-Japanese American unit, which would be known as the 442nd Regimental Combat Team.

Announcements for volunteers for the 442nd went out in early 1943. Close to 10,000 Japanese Americans from Hawaii volunteered, with about 2,600 being accepted for induction, while a paltry 1,256 Japanese Americans out of more than 23,000 draft-age men, answered the call for volunteers from the camps. Of that, about 800 were inducted.

When the quota for volunteers fell far short of expectation, the government resorted to reinstating the draft for Japanese Americans. Those who refused to serve were threatened with huge fines and prison time.

There were varied reasons why Japanese American men resisted the draft, but resistance represented yet another way to protest their imprisonment from within the 10 War Relocation Authority (WRA) camps, but Heart Mountain was the only WRA camp to have an organized movement against the draft.

The Japanese American Citizens League (JACL) actively opposed the draft resisters, and JACL leaders were given access to several draft resisters awaiting trial in jail in an effort to change their minds and possibly gather information for the government.

On average, most of the draft resisters received prison sentences of three years, but the lack of a uniform U.S. court system policy gave rise to punishments of not only prison terms but also fines such as a penny per person for the Poston (Colorado River) WRA camp draft resisters.

Only Judge Louis E. Goodman, who presided over the 27 Tule Lake draft resisters, dropped the charges entirely.

On Dec. 23, 1947, President Harry Truman issued a presidential pardon to those who had violated the Selective Training and Service Act of 1940. On the list were 284 Japanese American names but surviving resisters have confirmed that several names of known draft resisters were omitted from the list for reasons unknown.
RABEL222
 
  1  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 09:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Do you think this is because education institutions dont push history any more?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 09:38 pm
@glitterbag,
What Bill posted are true. Some JA's refused to "volunteer" into the military when their basic constitutional guarantees were taken away: put into prison without any charge of criminality.
RABEL222
 
  1  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 09:39 pm
@BillRM,
Incarcerating them and their families was supposed to make them fight? What a bunch of bullshyt.
glitterbag
 
  2  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 09:42 pm
@BillRM,
I don't know why you think that is a negative, Amercan's have not been subjugated in our nations short history. It's understandable that young American men would refuse to be rounded up as criminals without evidence or even a trial. It wasn't a secret to them that their families belongings, homes and businesses were gobbled up by opportunists willing to impoverish their family's. I don't know why you think any American will walk away quietly and watch from afar while others rob them blind of everything they ever worked for.

Their country humiliated them, rounded them up, stole everything from them, vilified them and frankly it's more of a surprise that the citizens who were treated so badly volunteered to fight for our country. They served with honor, both those who wore the uniform and those who exercised their right to be treated as Americans.
BillRM
 
  0  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 09:44 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
Do you think this is because education institutions dont push history any more?


The 442 unit was set up as a PR campaign by the government to show how even when that population was place behind barb wire they was still eager to fight for the US and CI take on the subject is hardly the complete story of that unit and the reasons for that unit in the first place.

History is never simple.
glitterbag
 
  2  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 09:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I knew not all of the Americans willingly stood by while they were stripped of everything they worked for, I was irritated that Bill thought he needed to include that as a counterpunch to the honorable service of the Japanese Americans who served in uniform. No American should ever be stripped of their constitutional rights, because that renders the constitution useless.
glitterbag
 
  2  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 09:50 pm
@BillRM,
History is not simple, but you are. The military people who fought and died for this country should never be minimized. It's an affront to decency.
BillRM
 
  0  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 09:53 pm
@glitterbag,
Oh? My opinion is that the Japanese-Americans that told the US government to go to hell and therefore going again both the US government and the bulk of their own people eager to prove they was loyal no matter how badly they was treated was acting like true Americans far more then those who join and fought with the 442 while their families remain behind barb wires in the camps.
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BillRM
 
  0  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 10:00 pm
@glitterbag,
You do jump to conclusions about my feelings toward the very brave Japanese Americans who stood for their principles and told both their own people and the US government to go to hell when after they and their families was placed behind barb wires was then order to fight for the very government who did this to them.

They act must more as true Americans then the ones who agree to fight in the 442 during the war in my opinion.
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 10:01 pm
@glitterbag,
I don't think Bill minimized anyone.
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BillRM
 
  0  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 10:04 pm
@glitterbag,
The Japanese Americans who join the military in my opinion was not as brave as the ones who refused to do so even under threats of being shot in some cases for not doing so.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 10:13 pm
@BillRM,
That's true, but there are still disagreements within the JA community about the right and wrong on both sides of the fence. Even between siblings.
BillRM
 
  0  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 10:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
That's true, but there are still disagreements within the JA community about the right and wrong on both sides of the fence. Even between siblings.


Yes the young men who went on principles and refused the draft knew that they was unlikely to had any great support from their own communities or even families.

Agreeing to join the 442 an fight in the war to me took less courage then not only facing the US government but becoming outcasts from their own people by refusing to do so in my opinion.
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yiga
 
  -3  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 10:41 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
The military people who fought and died for this country should never be minimized. It's an affront to decency.


Or lied to, tell Hillary and her supporters, they haven't figured that out yet.
BillRM
 
  0  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 10:53 pm
@yiga,
Quote:
Or lied to, tell Hillary and her supporters, they haven't figured that out yet.


Strange as the ones who had lied and even used the intelligent agencies such as the one that glitterbag did work for, to lied to both our military and population had nothing to do with Hillary but with the last Bush administration and phony claims of weapons of mass destruction.

T
Quote:
he military people who fought and died for this country should never be minimized. It's an affront to decency.


Too bad that the people of NSA and CIA did not feel the same way about not setting up our military people to died in a pointless war.
 

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