Olivier5
 
  2  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 10:54 am
@engineer,
This may well be true that he stands more to lose than to win, in that debate. Still, if the ratings are low, it'll be a victory for him. And I can't imagine that his boycott won't affect viewership. Who in his right mind wants to waste time seeing Cruz and Rubio debate, when the guy who's miles ahead in the race is not even around???

Trump is saying to FOX: "I don't need you, you need me, so do as you are told or get lost."
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wmwcjr
 
  3  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 11:28 am
http://a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/w_652/ifxvqkn6vr1bixefy1za.jpg


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snood
 
  4  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 12:17 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

jcboy wrote:

So Donnie Trump is afraid of little Megan Kelly? but this guy is going to stand up to ISIS and Putin? Sure.

It's what I've been observing since the beginning of this election. Trump's narcissism can't tolerate criticism. His behavior is classic right out of the textbook.

This is a presidential candidate? LOL Cool

Trump is just showing them who's the boss, that's all. It's a mistake to see his debate boycott as a weakness. It's a show of strength because without him, nobody will watch that debate.


Trump boycotted because he's scared of being exposed as the know nothing bully that he is by Megan Kelly. The media frenzy caused by everything he does doesn't make him a tactical genius - it just shows a sickness and hunger in the American populace that's not something we can be proud of.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 12:45 pm
@snood,
I'm not saying he's a tactical genius and agree that his primary motivation is to avoid this particular journalist. Cause if he did meet her, he would have to apologize to her and his ego can't take that.

I'm just saying that at this point, the balance of power between FAUX and him tilts in his favor. He's right about that.
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engineer
 
  4  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 12:53 pm
@Olivier5,
But it's a false argument. In the big scheme of things, the ratings of this debate don't matter. This isn't a weekly sitcom (or at least it shouldn't be) where losing viewership means losing ad dollars and maybe discontinuing the show. This is a one off event. Megan Kelly on the other had is a valuable corporate asset. Fox wins by making out Kelly as the hard hitting reporter that has Trump running scared. Trump wins with his fans by calling her a "bimbo" and "lightweight", but maybe not with the wider Republican base. It should be interesting to see the result. I will say that even if the audience is at an all time high, Trump will claim it would have been higher if he was there. He takes no risk making that argument. I think he does take a small risk equating the debate to a reality TV show instead of an opportunity to reach out to voters. I think there will be a very small portion of the electorate that will think that he stiffed them by not showing.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 01:04 pm
@engineer,
Quote:
. I think there will be a very small portion of the electorate that will think that he stiffed them by not showing.

That's where you and I disagree.
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 01:14 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
I'm just saying that at this point, the balance of power between FAUX and him tilts in his favor.


Ailes/Fox backing Kelly against Trump is a big deal in the American right-wing mediaverse. I didn't see anyone predicting it - everyone I could find thought Ailes would cave.
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 01:49 pm
@revelette2,
He actually really and truly believes he is universally loved.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  4  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 01:55 pm
@Olivier5,
He's not going because if he's reached his highest numbers he can only lose by going to a gotcha trap like the GOP debates. Mrs Clinton is showing the opposite side now - now that she's slipping badly in her polls suddenly she can't wait to debate one extra debate. I wonder how she goes for Bernie's offer to do two more on top of the one.

He has nothing to gain. The last debate he actually drew some boos. Trump ain't completely stupid.
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 02:26 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
One thing we must credit Trump with is political savvy - even if he is a racial bigot.
Lash
 
  2  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 05:03 pm
@engineer,
Quote:
He called Kelly a bimbo today

A presidential candidate....intentionally stated this. And people will still vote for him.

Wake me up, please.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 06:10 pm

Anne Frank's Stepsister: Trump 'Is Acting Like Hitler': Holocaust Survivors Warn of Historical Parallels

A critique that should chill all of us to the bone.
By Kali Holloway / AlterNet
January 28, 2016


“If Donald Trump become[s] the next president of the U.S. it would be a complete disaster,” author and Auschwitz survivor Eva Schloss states in a recent Newsweek op-ed marking International Holocaust Remembrance Day. Pointing to his promises to close the borders to Muslims and Mexicans, the 86-year-old Schloss, who is the stepsister of Anne Frank, sees disturbing parallels between the Republican frontrunner and a dangerous historical predecessor. “I think he is acting like another Hitler by inciting racism,” Schloss says. “Fewer people would have died in the Holocaust if the world had accepted more Jewish refugees.”

She is not the only Holocaust survivor who has observed Trump’s ascendancy with fear and foreboding. With “Don’t stand by” as the theme of this year’s observance of International Holocaust Remembrance Day, a number of survivors are speaking out about the ugliness of Trump’s message and those who have embraced it. These words of warning come as multiple polls indicate Trump currently holds comfortable leads among GOP voters in Iowa, South Carolina and New Hampshire.
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“The guy scares me,” Martin Weiss, an 87-year-old Auschwitz survivor who lost most of his family in the camp, told the Washington Post. “I don’t want to make any comparison to Hitler, but believe it or not his delivery and the way he conducts himself is very similar to Hitler’s way of doing things. He discredits everybody who disagrees with him. He’s insulting. He discriminates against everybody.”

“It’s really frightening,” survivor Al Munzer told the newspaper. “When you see these mass rallies that Trump is able to attract, you really wonder: How are they buying into this message of hate?”

The most direct answer to Munzer’s question can be found in the words of Trump’s followers themselves, who aren’t so much buying into hate as they are enthusiastically supporting the guy boosting the hate and racism they already feel. For all his self-aggrandizement, even Donald Trump wouldn’t likely claim to have hypnotized his supporters. He’s merely speaking directly to a huge demographic of overwhelmingly white voters who want blacks, Mexicans, Muslims and others out of the country they believe belongs to them. This is what they mean by "making America great again."

Arthur Jones, who ran for Illinois Congress as a Republican and in 2012 stated “the Holocaust is nothing more than an international extortion racket by the Jews,” recently endorsed Trump for president. “I agree with a lot of what Mr. Trump has to say,” Jones told the Oak Lawn, Illinois Patch. “He’s his own man. I like the fact that he doesn’t have to go hat in hand to Jewish billionaires to get money.”

A CNN reporter spoke with Iowan Paul Weber, a Trump supporter who explained, "The people that are coming in here from China, Indonesia and all of them countries, they're getting pregnant and coming here and having babies. They get everything and the people that were born here can't get everything." (CNN notes that Weber told the Asian reporter he meant “no offense.”)

Rhett Benhoff of North Carolina told CNN he was supporting Trump because white men have it so hard these days. "I mean, it seems like we really go overboard to make sure all these other nationalities nowadays and colors have their fair shake of it,” Benhoff complained, “but no one's looking out for the white guy anymore."

Patricia Saunders, a Trump backer from South Carolina, told the network Obama had spent the last eight years ruining things for white people, the natural inheritors of the U.S. "White Americans founded this country. We are being pushed aside because of the president's administration and the media."

Another Iowan, Robert Engelkes, stated, “What did we do in World War II? We put all the Japanese in internment camps," presumably as a suggestion for how we might move forward with Muslim immigrants. "We had to do something with them."

These attitudes are commonplace in America, and Trump’s numbers are at least one reason to end the feigned astonishment over their existence. For people of color and other marginalized groups, Trump’s rise is merely an explicit pronouncement of the race hate and xenophobia that are key to America’s national identity. For many Holocaust survivors, Trump and his followers are cause for an unsettling case of deja vu.

“Sooner or later, you know what happens in a case like this?” Weiss asked the Post, before recalling the historical similarities being currently witnessed. “That’s how Weimar Germany went to hell, because when Hitler came in, if somebody disagreed with him—guess what—he put them in prison or he had them shot or he opened the concentration camp.”

“It is repeating itself, and it is again the inattention that people pay to real cues that one should understand,” Margit Meissner, a 94-year-old who managed to escape Nazi-occupied France told the Post. “It’s not Weimar, but it could become Weimar Germany if you have Mr. Trump here and people keep believing what he says...I think one has to speak up. And that’s the one lesson from the Holocaust: Do not be a bystander.”

(h/t WaPo, CNN)

Kali Holloway is a senior writer and the associate editor of media and culture at AlterNet.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 06:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It doesn't take savvy, it just takes overestimating one's own popularity. I don't think he really thought he had it in himself when he first started this thing.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Thu 28 Jan, 2016 06:16 pm
@wmwcjr,
I almost posted this one too, and I disagree with the hide.
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jcboy
 
  3  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 06:54 pm
Razz

http://oi63.tinypic.com/o0nd74.jpg
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 07:32 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Robert Engelkes says they put the Japanese into concentration camps, but failed to say most were Americans and fought in the US military. Not only that, but the 442 was the most decorated battalion during WWII. Some peoples ignorance is beyond stupid.
farmerman
 
  3  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 08:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Not our finest moments. and Trump is past clueless
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glitterbag
 
  3  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 08:27 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

snood wrote:

Trump boycotted because he's scared of being exposed as the know nothing bully that he is by Megan Kelly. The media frenzy caused by everything he does doesn't make him a tactical genius - it just shows a sickness and hunger in the American populace that's not something we can be proud of.


This just shows how little you actually know about the situation. Go play on the Hillary threads where your type of ignorance is praised.


Do you ever say anything worthwhile or are you under the impression you are the wizard of snide? All I ever see you do is pop and try to nullify others. What, no original thought?
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