IRFRANK
 
Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 08:51 am
This political situation over the START treaty is just one more step in a political environment that seems to move the US closer and closer to disaster. The treaty seems so necessary to me for improved US security and improved nuclear security for the world. The GOP is using it as just one more opportunity to prevent the president from having any success and using this as a political tool for their gain seems so wrong to me. Their approach to everything since this election has been nothing but destructive for our country. Are they really so short sighted that they think that this approach will work for them in the long run? Do they not have a responsibility to the people of the US to do what is right, not just what they perceive is right for them?

The GOP and the far right seems to be very childish to me and this whole idea of being obstructionist to the point of failure is stupid. Can they also not see that every time they act like this they set a new precedent that will lead to terrible political actions if they every get back in power themselves?

 
JPB
 
  1  
Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 08:54 am
@IRFRANK,
Not to be flippant but I think it's the middle of the end, depending on what you mean by "end".
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eurocelticyankee
 
  1  
Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 09:05 am
@IRFRANK,
Frank it's just party-politics, nothing new and no amount of reasoned debate will change it.
It's the nature of the beast.
Sad really.
Setanta
 
  0  
Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 09:07 am
The sky is falling ! ! ! The sky is falling ! ! !

-- C. Little
dyslexia
 
  3  
Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 09:10 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

The sky is falling ! ! ! The sky is falling ! ! !

-- C. Little
The sky is not falling, you dolt, the ground is coming up.
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engineer
 
  4  
Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 09:16 am
@IRFRANK,
The real bender for me is that everyone is going to vote for this treaty. It's a no-brainer. Plus, this Senate has debated this treaty, held hearings on this treaty, did everything necessary to pass the treaty but vote on it. It's not like they are ramming it through in the eleventh hour. If you put it off to the next Senate, all those new Senators need to go through that all again. This Senate needs to vote on this treaty.

I don't agree that this is related to the "far right". This is a political move on Kyl's part because he wants some pork for his district. It's working. The administration has already thrown some more money his way.
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Fido
 
  1  
Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 10:54 am
@IRFRANK,
IRFRANK wrote:

This political situation over the START treaty is just one more step in a political environment that seems to move the US closer and closer to disaster. The treaty seems so necessary to me for improved US security and improved nuclear security for the world. The GOP is using it as just one more opportunity to prevent the president from having any success and using this as a political tool for their gain seems so wrong to me. Their approach to everything since this election has been nothing but destructive for our country. Are they really so short sighted that they think that this approach will work for them in the long run? Do they not have a responsibility to the people of the US to do what is right, not just what they perceive is right for them?

The GOP and the far right seems to be very childish to me and this whole idea of being obstructionist to the point of failure is stupid. Can they also not see that every time they act like this they set a new precedent that will lead to terrible political actions if they every get back in power themselves?


They are making the choice as the have for a long time; but it should be laid out to them to make the situation clear: Are they Americans, or are they Republicans... Are they human beings, or ar they republicans... Are they sane or are they republicans...
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IRFRANK
 
  2  
Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 11:26 am
@Setanta,
The sky is falling ! ! ! The sky is falling ! ! !



Yes, and you're celebrating it.
Setanta
 
  0  
Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 11:26 am
@IRFRANK,
You don't know a goddamned thing about me, Bubba.
eurocelticyankee
 
  1  
Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 11:38 am
@Setanta,
Hi Setanta, Euro here.
Just curious, the name Setanta, why?
Kinda Irishy.
InfraBlue
 
  1  
Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 11:45 am
@IRFRANK,
Quote:
The treaty seems so necessary to me for improved US security and improved nuclear security for the world. The GOP is using it as just one more opportunity to prevent the president from having any success and using this as a political tool for their gain seems so wrong to me.


So then, you don't think that this treaty is necessary, but you think it should pass anyway?
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 11:49 am
@IRFRANK,
IRFRANK wrote:

The sky is falling ! ! ! The sky is falling ! ! !



Yes, and you're celebrating it.



Nah, he ain't either.

Re: the main topic, I agree that Kyl is fishing for Pork and getting it. But Republicans also ran on blocking everything Obama did, on personally destroying the guy and his credibility, so it's hard for them to turn around now and do the right thing.

Scummy mother fuckers...

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 12:02 pm
Quote:
November 19, 2010

'RUSSIANS ARE MYSTIFIED'.... I find it genuinely insane that Senate Republicans would ignore U.S. national security interests and kill the pending arms control treaty with Russia, New START.

But imagine how Russia feels.

Russians are mystified. They can't quite believe that the U.S. Senate might fail to ratify the nuclear arms treaty, and they see no good from such an outcome.

The list of possible harmful effects they cite encompasses a minefield of global concerns: no more cooperation on Iran, a setback for progressive tendencies in Russia, new hurdles for Russian membership in the World Trade Organization, a terrible example for nuclear countries such as China and India, dim prospects for better NATO relations. And to top it off, the United States and its president would look ridiculous.

Sergei M. Rogov, director of the Institute for U.S. and Canadian Studies, told the Post he simply didn't believe Republicans would go through with this, unambiguous threats notwithstanding. "In arms control, Russian and American cooperation is crucial," Rogov said. "I really don't think Republicans want to kill arms control."

The problem, I suspect, is that much of the world assumes Republican officials in the United States place the country's well being above all else. International observers, in other words, believe elected American politicians want to do things that would benefit America. It's a simple matter of self-interest, which tends to motivate practically everyone in international affairs.

In this case, we're talking about a treaty that would keep tabs on Russia's long-range nuclear bases, bolster American credibility around the globe, weaken Iran and North Korea, improve Russian cooperation in Afghanistan, and diminish the political strength of hard-liners in Moscow. For Americans who want to help America, it's a no-brainer.

But Obama Derangement Syndrome doesn't just lead right-wing activists to believe ridiculous things, it's also a sickness that causes powerful Republican officials to put partisanship over patriotism.

Note that Senate Republicans who intend to kill New START can't even explain themselves. They're not holding out for some new concession; they don't have a list of demands; they haven't identified flaws in the measure they find intolerable. Their opposition is simply mindless. The White House needs the treaty to improve our national security, so Republicans are against it to deny the White House a victory.

No wonder Russians are "mystified." Since when do American leaders deliberately act against American interests? The world is watching Washington, assuming that President Obama can't convince Americans to do the right thing. But the problem isn't with the country; it's with a few dozen people in the Senate, whose partisan hatred has clouded their judgment in ways that are literally hard to believe.

In related news, we also learned this morning that the U.S. intelligence community will likely have to move spy satellites away from Iraq and Afghanistan, and towards Russia as a consequence of GOP obstinacy on New START.

It's tempting to think Republicans would hear this and want to prevent it. But that would presume that they actually care.
—Steve Benen 12:35 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (13)


http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_11/026720.php

Cycloptichorn
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Setanta
 
  1  
Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 01:22 pm
@eurocelticyankee,
Kinda?
eurocelticyankee
 
  1  
Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 01:41 pm
@Setanta,
OK very.
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Fido
 
  1  
Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 03:03 pm
@IRFRANK,
IRFRANK wrote:

The sky is falling ! ! ! The sky is falling ! ! !



Yes, and you're celebrating it.

Don't kick the fox up Bubba... Da dog is on him, and his frazzled nerves...
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IRFRANK
 
  1  
Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 03:52 pm
@Setanta,
Sorry if I misunderstood.
IRFRANK
 
  2  
Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 03:56 pm
@InfraBlue,
The treaty is absolutely necessary and is supported by a vast number of very knowledgeable global political leaders and our own military leaders.

why do you think I don't think it is necessary?


The whole party of NO is wearing thin on me.

failures art
 
  2  
Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 03:56 pm
This is NOT a domestic issue. It's global. The GOP should not be playing politics with this. ******* insane.

A
R
T
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InfraBlue
 
  1  
Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 04:16 pm
@IRFRANK,
Oh, pardon me, IRFRANK, I thought you had written that the treaty was so unnecessary to you for improved US security. . .
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