@Ionus,
Quote:Ionus wrote:
Quote:If they attack rights no one can live without
If babies are killed in their mother's womb then it will be life they will be without, never mind their rights.
Tell me whose life it is that is killed, and who is the injured party??? Life is not created, but people each give their own life to their children, and if they are so run down, demoralized, and empoverished that they care not to share their miserable lives with their children, it is they who are the injured party... Every woman who suffers a life she would not give to a child is a curse on all of us... Can we not make our females happy???... Can we not give them support and love???... Can we not give them meaning, or do we have no meaning to give???
Quote:Quote:So there is some point where the power of society ends and the freedom of the individual begins, and that place is with each individual managing his own affairs up to the point where they begin to have a negative effect on others
Being killed in a mother's womb is a fairly negative effect dont you think ?
I agree that the whole situation is rotton, but it is the mother that is the injured party... If we forced her to smother her living children to have some kind of life herself, would she not be right to curse us as inhuman monsters???... We want to force women to bear children we will hate her for bearing... She kills them for us... She kills them because we despise the poor, even while many of us take our food out of their mouths.... We have absolute contempt for mothers, giving them no break, no support, no understanding, and none of our wealth and welfare even while they give life not just to their own, but to humanity's children...
Quote:Quote:People have to be free in their bodies and in their minds to be free on the street or to enjoy political freedom...
Pass the weed, you've been hogging it.....what a lot of impractical theoretical rubbish. How are the poor free ? If the economy fails and you have no work, how much freedom have you lost ?
Entirely practical... It would be great if we would see our freedom as a quality we all enjoy and defend collectively.... Instead, we have made the concept of the individual, and sold it far and wide... So we must look for individual freedom since the communities do not even exist to defend and support their daughters...
Where is the family??? I have a family, and I can promise you that law based upon the concept of the individual and that is the enemy of communities has intruded into every family... Kids who do not understand the value of discipline learn to threaten parents and teacher with 911 at an early age...
Economic forces demand that both parents work, and that four walls and a televison raise their children.... Where is the love??? People who suffer their own lives from end to end, and wish their lives away from pay day to pay day are victims, and have no love to share... There is no way to prevent economic exploitation from leading to sexual exploitation, and sex is given to children as just one more thing to sell or trade, but what if it leads to children unwanted???
The problem with abortion is not one of too much freedom, but of too little... If we were free we would not struggle to have individual freedom which churches could conspire to erase at will... The problem with individual freedom is that it is so dependent, and so indefensible... The individual was not liberated for his own good, but to allow the destruction of supportive communities, to permit the free exploitation of the individual, and even his destruction without recourse, and without those communiites defending us, and making an issue of our justice we are on our own; but no family, or community can grow out of such corrosive conditions...
A thousand years of Western Law has reduced us all to individuals no more capable of communal living than house cats.... Chidren may be given life by their mothers, but they are raised by their community, and no one can be blamed for not bringing a child into a community of hate...The state says we are individuals, and that we are free... If that is so, and there is little evidence of our freedom, then we must at least be free in our privacy, and in our relationships, and in our persons... You can say people are free, for words are cheap....For people to actually be free individuals they must be some where free...