How do you see the burning of Holy Koran by pastor Terry Jones

oralloy wrote:

And if you and that imam feel like being callous to their feelings, I predict many burned Korans in the near future.

Even after we were warned about the danger that poses to our soldiers in Afghanistan?

Real bright people.

“the leaders of the global arrogance” — a code for the United States among Iranian conservatives

failures art wrote:

I never said you were denying people rights. I was referring to Mr. Jones, who is.

He is doing no such thing. All he did was attempt to exercise his FREE SPEECH rights.

failures art wrote:

Your moral equivocation between a directly and aggressive provocation to all Muslims (burning Korans) with the completely unoffensive building of a community center is stupid.

No it isn't.

And your characterization of the location of the site as unoffensive is disingenuous. You may not be offended by it, but you know very well that it is extremely hurtful to a lot of people.

failures art wrote:

Stupid comments RE: American stuff at Hiroshima ground zero and Japanese stuff at Pearl Harbor have only served to embarrass you by revealing the shallow depth of understanding you have on this.

Lying about me won't change the fact that the proposed location of this mosque is hurtful to many people.

It is just a childish reaction you have when you run out of arguments.

If any human population is incompatible with American free speech, they are going to have to pack up and leave the planet, because there isn't any room for them here.

As for Afghanistan, this nation building stuff is getting a bit silly. The purpose of the military is to kill people and break things.

I like VP Biden's ideas about scaling back to about 20,000 or so, with a heavy Special Forces presence to massacre anyone who we find inconvenient.

The NYC Muslims have done nothing wrong here.

If I didn't know better I would think you were anti-military with those words.

oralloy wrote:

failures art wrote:

I never said you were denying people rights. I was referring to Mr. Jones, who is.

He is doing no such thing. All he did was attempt to exercise his FREE SPEECH rights.

Sure, and the message of his speech was to threaten American Muslims. The whole of his message is "war." He is using his rights to send the message that others should not be able to enjoy their rights.

Of course, you don't seem very well read on this issue, so I'm not going to assume you already knew that.

oralloy wrote:

failures art wrote:

Your moral equivocation between a directly and aggressive provocation to all Muslims (burning Korans) with the completely unoffensive building of a community center is stupid.

No it isn't.

And your characterization of the location of the site as unoffensive is disingenuous. You may not be offended by it, but you know very well that it is extremely hurtful to a lot of people.

Park51 isn't inherently offensive. It isn't even remarkable. It's not as if the building is being built to insult other either. If you believe that narrative, you're the disingenuous one. The NYC Muslims have done nothing wrong here.

oralloy wrote:

failures art wrote:

Stupid comments RE: American stuff at Hiroshima ground zero and Japanese stuff at Pearl Harbor have only served to embarrass you by revealing the shallow depth of understanding you have on this.

Lying about me won't change the fact that the proposed location of this mosque is hurtful to many people.

1) It's not proposed, it is approved.
2) It's not a mosque, it's a community center with a planned mosque in it that now will additionally offer interfaith services.

How is the location hurtful?

These aren't the people responsible for 9/11. How were they supposed to make more space for their growing congregation? They partnered with the Park51 project to use one floor out of 13 so they would have more space. Why would they move away from their community? How could they even serve their constituents if they moved away from them?

oralloy wrote:

It is just a childish reaction you have when you run out of arguments.

Your concession on this matter is noted.

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Oralloy wrote:

If any human population is incompatible with American free speech, they are going to have to pack up and leave the planet, because there isn't any room for them here.

As for Afghanistan, this nation building stuff is getting a bit silly. The purpose of the military is to kill people and break things.

I like VP Biden's ideas about scaling back to about 20,000 or so, with a heavy Special Forces presence to massacre anyone who we find inconvenient.

At first when I read this I thought maybe it was only a joke until I scrolled up the page to see who was the author of this post. (reading from the bottom up)

The purpose of the military is to kill and break things and to massacre anyone we find inconvenient? If I didn't know better I would think you were anti-military with those words.

A very frank admission of the numerous war crimes/crimes against humanity that the USA has committed.

There' s nothing anywhere near approaching honesty here, [honesty being anathema to Oralboy], it's only come because he has the brains of a gnat.

He was being a troll, which is what he is (and all that he is).

contrex wrote:

He was being a troll, which is what he is (and all that he is).

Stop lying. The fact that I condemn your extreme evil does not make me a troll.

oralloy wrote:

contrex wrote:

He was being a troll, which is what he is (and all that he is).

Stop lying. The fact that I condemn your extreme evil does not make me a troll.

No, but this does...

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

The content of a "troll" posting generally falls into several areas. It may consist of an apparently foolish contradiction of common knowledge, a deliberately offensive insult to the readers of the news group or a broad request for trivial follow-up postings.

For trolls, any response is 'recognition'; they are unable to distinguish between irritation and admiration; their ego grows directly in proportion to the response, regardless of the form or content of that response.

Trolls are usually sad, lonely folk, with few social skills; they rarely make what most people would consider intelligent conversation.

QED

I would hope that our purpose in having a military is to preserve peace and defend our country and our allies using as little destructive force as necessary.

I seriously doubt Biden said that we should massacre anyone who we find inconvenient.

I read a distrubing report about groups of thugs in the military who really did do as you suggest, just went around shooting people.

U.S. troops accused of killing Afghans for sport

The preacher from Gainesville who ignited a firestorm of criticism over his plan to torch 200 copies of the Quran says he wants to move his church to the Tampa Bay area by the end of the year, NBC affiliate WFLA reported.

He's also facing a $200,000 bill for policing costs during the firestorm his plan created, The Gainesville Sun newspaper said. However, officials say they're not sure they can force him to pay.

Osama bin Ladn is someone we find inconvenient.

The Taliban are people that we find inconvenient.