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Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

 
 
Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 06:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

On the other hand, I'm in awe that so many "real" Americans who post on these blogs know what's right and what's wrong. That was not the case when I was a child growing up in California.


Oh, a subtle reference to the internment of the Japanese-Americans during WWII?

Did you ever think that the internment of the Japanese-Americans during WWII prevented "wholesale" pro-Axis feelings from being aired by some people of other nameless ethnicities?

In other words, the Japanese in the internment camps did more for the homeland war effort than they realized, in my opinion.
engineer
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 06:40 pm
@Foofie,
The greatest wish of radical Islam is to show that despite all its claims of freedom of religion, Muslims are second class citizens in the US, subject to persecutions in all things, big and small. I'm amazed you are willing to give them this stunning gift, repudiating all that the US claims to stand for.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 06:41 pm
@Foofie,
The majority in the US are christians, but we don't go to war based on our religion. The Iraq war was started by GW Bush and his liars who spread the rumor that Saddam had WMDs. Congress believed that the president of the US would never lie to the world, approved the war.

There were many of us who were against the war, because the UN Inspectors were already in Iraq looking for Saddam's WMDs. Bush chased them out which resulted in his "shock and awe" campaign in Iraq that ended up killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis.

We now have conservatives making it difficult for Arab/Muslim Americans to have the same freedoms and protections under our laws by using nonsensical emotion, and using words such as "sensitivity, insult, feelings, and ground zero" to make their illogical challenge against the community center.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 06:43 pm
@engineer,
Yeah. So why not turn the other cheek?
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Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 06:44 pm
@kickycan,
kickycan wrote:

Foofie wrote:

kickycan wrote:

That depends. Are you talking as a "native" A2Ker? Or as some newbie on this site who doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground?


No such animal as "native A2Ker"; however, native New Yorkers often do not see controversial issues from the same perspective as "transplants" from elsewhere, since, in my opinion, the transplant usually does not have the family history of living in NYC when it was a very different, and not so caring city. Or, more succinctly, many "transplants," if things do not work out so well in "the big city" can return home to the proverbial "homestead" to lick one's wounds, so to speak, while deciding what to do next that is new and exciting. Native New Yorkers usually do not have such alternatives. New York was the proverbial end of the road for his or her family, and that family had to endure a city when there was less concern for the average citizen. Yet, we stayed, and today might just live in the tri-state area, but they did not go off to Ohio, or some Podunk town that closes up at 8 p.m.


Unless all native New Yorkers also think exactly alike, then I have no idea what point you think this post is making.


That does not surprise me. All native New Yorkers do not think alike; however, in my opinion, most native New Yorkers commiserate with the feelings of those that lost loved ones on 9/11, since most of those first responders had family that might now live in the tri-state area, but were native New Yorkers only a generation or two ago. Plus, native New Yorkers, to be candid, tend to be from only a few ethnic groups: Italians, Irish, Jews, Hispanics (Puerto Ricans, Dominicans), African-Americans. These folks are often aware of the "transplants" attitude to New York City, which in my opinion can be compared, in some egocentric ways, to the "carpet bagger" in the Reconstruction South.
Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 06:47 pm
@failures art,
failures art wrote:

Foofie - your "native" argument, is the type of argument that only embarassess you later on. I'll be sure to remember it when you comment on how things are run in Washington. Perhaps then, you'll understand that you can't get it or understand it or have the needed intellectual credentials to even comment on it. This native crap is laughable. Natives and transplants in ANY city have the same value, and the same rights.

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"Same rights," yes; however, natives and transplants are worlds apart when it comes to what NYC is to them. For natives, NYC is their birth home; no "homestead" to go home to if things do not work out in NYC. For transplants, NYC is often the "bright lights, big city" they dreamed about when going to college, and if things do not work out, they might go back to the homestead, so to speak, to plan out their next chapter in their lives.
Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 06:48 pm
@Intrepid,
Intrepid wrote:

Are you saying that all "native New Yorkers" stay in New York and don't go to other places? Does a "native New Yorker" who moves to the wilds of, oh say, California retain the same rights and priviledges as those who are still in New York? Do they have the same thoughts on things that happen in New York?




The question does not interest me, since it does not pertain to the original thought.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 06:50 pm
@Foofie,
Feelings of lost loved ones and first responders doesn't justify what they wish to impose on other Americans who had nothing to do with 9-11. Why should innocent people suffer just because some people's feelings are unreasonable?
They have the legal right and the Constitutional right to build.

Don't you comprehend English? Is English your second language?
Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 06:53 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Foofie is ignorant of many things, and that includes what makes up the population of NYC.

Quote:
Immigrants make up 40 percent of New York City's population
By Fred Mazelis
31 July 2000

A survey of New York City households taken by the US Census Bureau in 1999 has revealed that 40 percent of the city's 7.4 million people are now foreign-born.



You do not know why this is a non-sequitor? Like how many new arrivals from Mexico are involved with the politics in L.A.?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 06:54 pm
@Foofie,
It's non-sequitur only to you, because you don't understand how this explodes your statements about New Yorkers.
Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 06:56 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

Does the proposed mosque/community relations center offer Jewish and Christian service, like the chapel at the Pentagon?


Nyet; Islam is not for Jews nor Christians.

Many in Islam even think that Christianity believes in three Gods. And, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion has a good sales record in the Middle East.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 07:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

roger, You are confused; the issue surrounds the community center/mosque two blocks from ground zero in NYC. That the pentagon has a mosque at "ground zero" (same building area) so to speak doesn't bother anyone - except maybe those who are bigoted assholes.


Oh, you have expanded your choice of ad hominem from "bigot," to "bigoted assholes." Why does the word bigot upset you so much? Do you really think that we should all be ignorant of the things that do make us different, and we may not have a preference for? Can blondes not "have more fun," without someone saying that is bigoted against brunettes?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 07:02 pm
@Foofie,
If the name fits, eat it!
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Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 07:08 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

The greatest wish of radical Islam is to show that despite all its claims of freedom of religion, Muslims are second class citizens in the US, subject to persecutions in all things, big and small. I'm amazed you are willing to give them this stunning gift, repudiating all that the US claims to stand for.


The only first class citizens, in my opinion, are upper class WASP's, upper class Catholics, upper class Jews, upper class "all others." If one is not upper class, then one is just part of the unwashed masses, so to speak, in my opinion.

It is a class thing, in my opinion.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 07:13 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Feelings of lost loved ones and first responders doesn't justify what they wish to impose on other Americans who had nothing to do with 9-11. Why should innocent people suffer just because some people's feelings are unreasonable?
They have the legal right and the Constitutional right to build.

Don't you comprehend English? Is English your second language?


"Some people's feelings are unreasonable," in YOUR opinion. I guess I am more concerned with the "feelings of lost loved ones and first responders" than the feelings of the future mosque congregants. The Constitutional rights of the mosque builders were never questioned.
Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 07:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

It's non-sequitur only to you, because you don't understand how this explodes your statements about New Yorkers.


Stop it! Stop involving me in your argument. Argue with someone else.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 07:16 pm
@Foofie,
Quote:
The Constitutional rights of the mosque builders were never questioned
Their sensitivity and willingness to coexist with others certainly has been questioned however. The response has been both finger pointing and finger giving. This is not encouraging.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 07:17 pm
@Foofie,
Negative feelings toward innocent people is not justified; that's why they're called bigots when they attack a whole culture or a recognized group that has done nothing wrong. It's unreasonable and not American in any way; unfortunately, we still have bigots in this country of the free.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 07:19 pm
@roger,
Don't be simple minded. All houses of worship are supported by the faithful, and although they will host services when another faiths' congregation has been displaced due to natural events or criminal arson, electric bills, mortgage payments, insurance are all covered by the members of the church or mosque or synagog or temple. The Pentagon respects the rights of all enlisted and civilian personnel to worship as they please, so they provide a place where that worship can take place. I worked for an agency at Fort Meade and the Agency allowed services to take place in the auditorium, again a govt. installation showing respect to freedom of religion.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 07:19 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Their sensitivity and willingness to coexist with others certainly has been questioned however. The response has been both finger pointing and finger giving. This is not encouraging.


That could equally be directed at the anti mosque side of the equation.
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