Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

@Intrepid,

Intrepid wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

Intrepid, You're falling into Foofies trap; we're discussing the US and our laws, not the religions of other countries and their laws.

I thought the discussion was actually about the opposition to building a Mosque in the general vicinity of "ground zero". I keep reading about laws in the thread, but it was determined long ago that it is legal to build. If that is the case.....the thread must be over.

Yes, it should be over. However, I believe there seems to be a collective desire by some of the pro-mosque folk that the anti-mosque folk in NYC, and anywhere else, should acquiesce to the Constitutional rights of the mosquevites, even though simple etiquette might dictate that, for a win-win situation, the mosque could be built elsewhere. Sort of like wanting to rub the noses of the anti-mosque folks in the proverbial dirt, in my opinion.

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@hawkeye10,

It has nothing to do with turning the other cheek as the Saudis have done me no offense. It is about US citizens trying to exercise their rights and other US citizens trying to prevent them.

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@engineer,

engineer wrote:

I've never understood this obsession with churches in Saudi Arabia. This isn't about freedom of religion in S.A. We don't discard our freedoms because another country doesn't have them.

Do we let old Nazis come here and gas Jews? No. One must be in Nazi Germany to gas Jews. Jews in America got to live freely during the Third Reich. And, before we accepted ex-Nazis into the U.S., after WWII, we attempted to make sure they were now "good Germans."

So, in the way of analogy, do we let Muslims come here and ban churches. No we do not. Are we banning a mosque? No we are not. So, why are we not making sure that mosques are backed and inhabited by peaceful (aka, non-radicalized) Muslims?

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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You do not think there would be Christian clergy willing to shepard a flock in Riyadh? Or, Christians that would live in a Riyadh monastery? Do they have to be American Christians to meet your criteria?
why would they need to be Christan? All I am looking for is for is a demonstration of being willing to coexist with Christianity, the nationality of the Christan does not matter to me
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There are more than a million Roman Catholics in Saudi Arabia, most of them are expatriates Filipinos and Indians who work there, but who do not have the citizenship of Saudi Arabia[2][1]. The percentage of Christians of all denominations among the about 1.2 million Filipinos in Saudi Arabia likely exceeds 90%[3]. There are also Christians from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Ethiopia, Nigeria, Kenya and as well a number of Christians from sub-Saharan countries who are working in the Saudi Kingdom[4].

Saudi Arabia allows Christians to enter the country as foreign workers for temporary work, but does not allow them to practice their faith openly, because of that Christians generally only worship in secret within private homes[5]. Items and articles belonging to religions other than Islam are prohibited[6]. These include Bibles, crucifixes, statues, carvings, items with religious symbols, and others[7].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Saudi_Arabia

Sort of like when the Ottoman Empire banned Christianity in Greece for a long time. Not exactly ecumenical.

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@engineer,

B ullSHIT! They have promoted a virulent strain of Islam that both seeks to rub out Israel and attack the West where ever possible. I dont support celebrating Islam for the same reason I would not support the celebration of Devil Worship or religions that demand human sacrifice, or cults that demand that people younger than the AOC be sexual....because they don't represent our values, they are hostile to our values.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

It doesn't matter whether Foofie is a he, a she, or a cocker spaniel.

I agree!

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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I've never understood this obsession with churches in Saudi Arabia. This isn't about freedom of religion in S.A. We don't discard our freedoms because another country doesn't have them.
that may work for you, but I am not a great believer in the turn the other cheek theory of life.

Hey. Maybe it is about "churches in Saudi Arabia"? So we do not discard our freedoms, but what if it is about churces in Saudi Arabia also? Not comfortable with that ambiguity?

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@Foofie,

?? Nazis ?? These are US citizens we are talking about, not former Al Qaeda operatives. And even if they were rehabilitated Al Queda operatives, what why would that mean that a church needs to be built half way around the world? And why a church and not a synagogue or temple or shrine? How about a Buddhist temple in Egypt? A synagogue in Mexico? A shrine to the Spaghetti Monster in Canada? Why does this Canadian SM shrine have anything to do with a place of worship in NYC?

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@engineer,

engineer wrote:

It has nothing to do with turning the other cheek as the Saudis have done me no offense. It is about US citizens trying to exercise their rights and other US citizens trying to prevent them.

Where did those 19 hijackers on 9/11 come from?

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

or cults that demand that people younger than the AOC be sexual....

That would be your cult. Right, Hawkeye?

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@hawkeye10,

So you are really against the construction of any mosques in the United States and all this sensitivity and feeling stuff is just cover?

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@Foofie,

Foofie wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

It doesn't matter whether Foofie is a he, a she, or a cocker spaniel.

I agree!

Actually, I think it would be very pertinent if you were a cocker spaniel.

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@Foofie,

Foofie wrote:

Where did those 19 hijackers on 9/11 come from?

Those 19 hijackers did not persuade me to give up a single right as an American nor did they convince me that all people from Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Afghanistan or any other predominately Muslim country mean me harm.

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@Foofie,

Foofie wrote:

engineer wrote:

It has nothing to do with turning the other cheek as the Saudis have done me no offense. It is about US citizens trying to exercise their rights and other US citizens trying to prevent them.

Where did those 19 hijackers on 9/11 come from?

First it is all Muslims. Now it is all Saudis. I even saw Nazis being bantered around.

I can only shake my head.

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@engineer,

engineer wrote:

?? Nazis ?? These are US citizens we are talking about, not former Al Qaeda operatives. And even if they were rehabilitated Al Queda operatives, what why would that mean that a church needs to be built half way around the world? And why a church and not a synagogue or temple or shrine? How about a Buddhist temple in Egypt? A synagogue in Mexico? A shrine to the Spaghetti Monster in Canada? Why does this Canadian SM shrine have anything to do with a place of worship in NYC?

I was just making the analogy between bad guys from the American perspective.

But, it is possible that radicalized Islam is like the perversion of German culture that the Nazis attempted. So, I just believe that mosques need to be surveilled for radical Islamic infestation. No harm in an ounce of prevention, so to speak, or is this too against some Constitutional right (right to not be surveilled?).

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@engineer,

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So you are really against the construction of any mosques in the United States and all this sensitivity and feeling stuff is just cover?

No, Muslims can build all the Mosques for themselves to pray in as they like, but when they want to build a $100 million monument to the role of Islam in Religious tolerance when the homeland for that religion outlaws Churches and when its zealots attack America and kill thousands ...I have a problem with than, near ground zero or anywhere. I do not support the attempt to sell a lie as the truth.

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@engineer,

engineer wrote:

Foofie wrote:

Where did those 19 hijackers on 9/11 come from?

Those 19 hijackers did not persuade me to give up a single right as an American nor did they convince me that all people from Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Afghanistan or any other predominately Muslim country mean me harm.

Goody for you. Can you make a little hop, before you salute, like the Gherkas?

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@Intrepid,

Intrepid wrote:

Foofie wrote:

engineer wrote:

It has nothing to do with turning the other cheek as the Saudis have done me no offense. It is about US citizens trying to exercise their rights and other US citizens trying to prevent them.

Where did those 19 hijackers on 9/11 come from?

First it is all Muslims. Now it is all Saudis. I even saw Nazis being bantered around.

I can only shake my head.

Shake slowly. I do not want to think that I caused your brains to become a malted milkshake.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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So you are really against the construction of any mosques in the United States and all this sensitivity and feeling stuff is just cover?
No, Muslims can build all the Mosques for themselves to pray in as they like, but when they want to build a $100 million monument to the role of Islam in Religious tolerance when the homeland for that religion outlaws Churches and when its zealots attack America and kill thousands ...I have a problem with than, near ground zero or anywhere. I do not support the attempt to sell a lie as the truth.

"Selling lies as the truth" is how the youth is indoctrinated into false beliefs about the United States of America.

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@Foofie,

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"Selling lies as the truth" is how the youth is indoctrinated into false beliefs about the United States of America

Cynical much??

A free flow of ideas is critical, in this case the Muslims are free to build their shrine to religious tolerance and the rest of us are free to point out that they are hypocrites and assholes.

I am not as jaded as you, I believe that in a fight the truth eventually wins.

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