Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

You assume it and there is no reason to assume any such thing.

The story was very badly written.

Perhaps the sexual moral codes will change as you had predicted and perhaps not there is not way of telling.

Second just look at the nightmare world firefly and her like is trying to push society toward.

Of course in the case we are talking about it would not be the fault of the woman that her naked teenage pictures are on the net but the boyfriend who leak it in the first place. Women would never never bear any responsibility for their actions and judgments at any age.

Ya, but how do people generally take being pushed? Not too well do we...The problem for feminists is that both men and women very much feel "this is my body, to do with as I please" and the feminists pay lip service to that but then right after say "well of course you should not to that, and certainly not THAT, and if you do THAT! either you or your lover are going to jail......It does not take long to figure out what these militants really care about, and how little regard they have for individual freedom and choice.

He admitted his motive was rage. In this case, a drug fueled rage. Rape is a crime of violence. He could be facing life in prison, even with his plea deal.

So what does that prove one way or another?

Stranger rape is very likely to have such a component however the kind of interactions between couples you are also trying to define as rape is far far less likely to have such a component.

The West Point gentleman who was sound asleep in his bed when the drunken girl jump into it was not feeling rage as he woke up to her kissing him I am fairly sure.

Basketball player Kobe when a hotel employee follow him up to his room and begin kissing him by her own words was not likely feeling rage either.

The three young children playing doctor together it is highly unlikely that there were rage involve in their play or a power trip for that matter.

Yes indeed real rape does happen and a lot of times the sexual desire compound is smaller then other emotions in these sick men minds that however does not give any support to your wish to expand sexual assault to include a large percent of the normal interactions between men and women.

How would you be able to determine that?

The demented coward is straight trolling with this nonsense. A number of months ago; he participated in a thread discussing charges for a late teen disseminating nude pictures of herself to multiple teenage parties. He made a complete, misogynistic ass of himself there too; but knows very well that the above quoted statement is straight bullshit.

Stop dragging out those same few cases, over and over and over. You've clearly run out of material, and you lack the capacity to add any original thought or adult understanding of the problem of rape.

You keep referring to my "wish to expand sexual assault to include a large percent of the normal interactions between men and women." I am not discussing my "wishes" I talking about currently existing rape laws. I have not suggested expanding current laws. I do favor enforcing such laws. If you have any comprehension ability, take note of what I just said, and stop distorting my position.

If you think that "normal interactions between men and women" include one party forcing the other to participate in unwanted sexual acts, you do not know the difference between a healthy relationship and rape. That, unfortunately, would be your problem and not mine.

A good many date rapes are really stranger rapes. The parties do not know each other and may only have spent an hour or two together before the rape occurs. That was certainly the situation with the NYC man who was just indicted for allegedly raping a Russian tourist. They were really strangers. A rape in such a situation is just as surprising, and frightening, and violent, as many other stranger rapes. There is nothing "normal" or innocuous about such rapes.

My my the word forcing have a world of meaning a large part of that world have nothing to do with rape or sexual assault.

If as a condition of a woman living in a man house is that he is insisting (without physical force or the threat of physical force] on an ongoing sexual relationship with her and if not she will need to find other housing that is pressuring or “forcing” the woman to have sex it is however is not rape.

If a man let it be known that without ongoing sexual relationship he is going to break up with the woman and find another partner that is not rape either however it can be view as force or pressure indeed.

My wife if she happen to decide one day that she no long wish for a sexual component to be part of our marriage without a medical reason for so doing even at my age I would file for divorce in fairly short order.

There is nothing wrong is sitting up conditions in a relationship that included sexual relations and if those conditions are not met to leave that relationship and withdraw any benefits that the lady in question might be enjoying due to that relationship.

"Forcing " a woman without physical force or threat of force but just the withdrawing of benefits a man have every right to withdraw is not rape.

Be those benefits being married or living rent free is a boyfriend home or whatever it might be.

Why are you posting on the same case over and over running out of material?

"He threw her in a trash bin before fleeing".

Can you possibly get any more contemptuous of women? First you rape them, then you toss them aside like garbage.

All the above have nothing to do with couples even just dating couples and claims of rape the only point of any disagreement on this long long thread.

No one would have any problem with the man once found being place under the jail-house so why are you posting these sad stories?

Do you have a point any point at all in so doing?

Yes, I do have a point. While you jabber away incessantly about false accusations, and innocent men sitting in jail, and post the same few examples over and over and over, women are being raped.

And you just can't decide that some rapes really aren't that bad, or aren't even rapes. All rape is bad, all rape is wrong. The law covers different types of situations in which rape occurs, including stranger rape, spousal rape, and date/acquaintance rape. Tough if you don't like the rape laws. I see no widespread public protest against these laws. Most people want these laws kept in place.

So, why do I post these "sad stories"? Because they are part of the reality of rape.

Oh as a footnote my wife bright line in the sand as far as sexual relationships is concern is if I turn to anyone other then her for sex.

For one thing she does not wish to risk STDs because of my sexual actions.

Force and pressure is almost always a two way street in any relationship including the sexual elements of that relationship.

Sorry a woman is totally and the only one responsible for her own drinking and drug use and no man have a duty or is equip or able to do a judgment call on her fitness to grant consent to sex.

If she grant consent and later regret doing so and feel that but for her own voluntary drinking she would not had granted consent the only recourse in any sane society she should have is to be more careful in her drinking in the future not to take or try to take away her partner freedom due to her own bad judgment.

It surely have zero to do with your stories of a man holding a knife and duck taping a woman and placing her in a waste can.

To sum up you wish women to be able at their whim to declare a rape again any sexual partner in almost any social situation after the fact.

Only members of such cults as the Mormons and religious Muslins would be fairly safe from such nonsense.

The fact that you equate sex with drinking and rape with drinking seems to follow a pattern. It has already been determned, by your own admission, that your wife has sex with you when she is drunk. Actually, I find that somewhat understandable.

The troubling part is that you don't consider it rape if someone gets the person being raped drunk and you don't consider it rape if they are on a date.

Actually, you have the appearance of being drunk when you make most of your posts. Perhaps you should address the drinking part before you foray into unknown waters.

They are real rapes indeed not three young children playing doctor or a man fast asleep when a woman jump into his bed or..................

No one have any disagreement concerning real rapes but if you get a kick out of posting such please go ahead.

Those children were convicted of attempted rape by a jury. They may have actually raped the girl with some sort of penetration, as she initially reported. She did recant that story, but that may have been because she just couldn't deal with all the repeated questions. In any event, a legitimate jury returned a verdict of attempted rape. They did not dismiss this as normal childhood behavior.

Sorry, you cannot decide on your own what are "real rapes". The law defines rape, not jerks like you.

Forcible Rape Defense; False Accusations in Relationship and Date Rape Cases
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200 Characters left Syndicate this Article Copy to clipboard <h1>Forcible Rape Defense; False Accusations in Relationship and Date Rape Cases</h1>
<p><strong>By: <a href="http://www.articlesbase.com/authors/william-f-nimmo/4416" title="William F. Nimmo's Articles">William F. Nimmo</a></strong><p>
<P>Forcible rape and attempted forcible rape between people who know each other, either casually or well, make up a sizeable percentage of the false accusations in the criminal justice system. The cry of rape or abuse is a familiar cry when a relationship goes sour or when a woman has second thoughts after a night of sex or near intimacy. While there are certainly legitimate claims of rape and attempted rape in the world, from the defendant's perspective there are good reasons to view each claim with skepticism. Relationship rapes and date rapes are closely related and the techniques to defend each are similar. </P>
<P>The reasons for the accusations vary as do the situation, the character and personality of the alleged victim. In the system you see questionable accusations when dating or love relationships go sour and the woman is being rejected or being thrown aside for another woman. Sometimes in more casual dating the woman makes an accusation after having too much alcohol and engaging in sex. The morning after they realize what they have done and an accusation follows to protect their pride, cover their embarrassment, or justify a situation to their boyfriend or significant other. </P>
<P>Sometimes in younger women the issue of sex is still very delicate and the accusation comes after giving in and realizing afterwards what they have done does not sit well with their present psyche. Again, many times alcohol is a factor.</P>
<P>Sometimes the mental stability of the alleged victim is a major factor in making an accusation. All experienced rape defense lawyers have seen the young man who falls for a beautiful but unstable young woman and ends up getting accused when they break up or go farther than the woman's mental state will allow. </P>
<P>And, quite frankly, men are often too driven by their sexual desires to be careful in their judgments about who they attempt to bed. Men view sex entirely different than women for the most part. Men are very capable of enjoying sex and not thinking anything about it afterwards except for how much fun they had. Women may claim that is how they feel but the facts of these accusations show they have a much harder time accepting it as such a meaningless act of pleasure. It is in these instances that false accusations arise.</P>
<P>Also, often times "no means no" to a woman. A man can easily interpret "no" as "yes." He thinks she is just trying to show that she is not easy. Unfortunately, the trend in most states is that when a woman says no it means that consent to proceed has been withdrawn, even in the throes of great passion.</P>
<P>In a rape defense it is important for the lawyer to understand all of the circumstances of the relationship or the situation. A detailed minute by minute account is necessary to understand whether the rules have been broken. Many times if there is simply a misreading of signals, the benefit of the doubt will be given to the defendant. Most jurors have been in multiple sexual and intimate situations and they can understand mixed signals. </P>
<P>The more you can show that the woman gave off all of the signals of a willing participant, the better your chances of success. The witnesses to her earlier drinking and provocative conduct can provide good evidence that the defendant thought she was desirous of consensual sex. While most states' "rape shield" laws go far in protecting the history of the alleged victim, your lawyer should find out as much as they can about the alleged victim's history. Due Process requires you to be able to defend yourself and a good lawyer can usually find information that is admissible that sheds light on her character.</P>
<P>The defendant's character for not being sexually aggressive can be important. It is admissible evidence to show that you are not sexually aggressive. Prior girlfriends, female friends and co-workers, and friendly ex-spouses can be a good source for this evidence.</P>
<P>Your attorney must be prepared to contest the medical evidence if the alleged victim went to a hospital or a sexual assault response team. The current trend is for these medical personnel to testify that the alleged victims had physical injury to their vaginal area. What is usually found are microscopic abrasions that are a result of the friction of intercourse. Sometimes the prosecution's medical personnel try to say these micro-abrasions are inconsistent with consensual sex. </P>
<P>The research shows that micro-abrasions don't mean anything negative. They are as consistent with consensual sex as well as anything else. Your lawyer must be prepared to cross-examine these alleged experts aggressively. Your lawyer should also have a counter-expert ready to testify to the opposite of the prosecution's expert. </P>
<P>Date rape accusations aren't just limited to younger people. It happens throughout the age spectrum where single men go out with women of questionable stability. </P>
<P>If the accusation comes out of a relationship breakup, look carefully at the mental history of the alleged victim. Many times young men fall in love with very defective young women. A symptom of certain personality disorders seen in young women are the inability to handle rejection. A person they once idealized quickly becomes their archenemy and subject to false accusations of rape. If your jurisdiction allows, your lawyer should get a psychological evaluation of the alleged victim. If your jurisdiction doesn't allow it, you should investigate her history thoroughly. With a psychologist to guide your efforts, you will probably find evidence to support your theory. </P>
<P>As part of your investigation, look for prior instances of credibility problems on the part of the alleged victim. Check her job history and try to find her former boyfriends. Chances are you will find a history of lying and deception.</P>
<P>In any rape or attempted rape accusation you must find the motive of the alleged victim to lie. These cases of false accusations can be defended successfully, but you must find the motive. It is the key to the jury understanding why the young lady would go so far as to make such a serious false accusation of rape against you. </P>
<p><strong>About the Author</strong></p>
<p><p>William F. Nimmo is a highly regarded San Diego criminal defense lawyer who has successfully defended residents statewide for nearly three decades. He has been a San Diego criminal trial lawyer of the year and has been awarded the Directors' Award for Excellence by the San Diego Criminal Defense Bar Association. See http://www.nimmolawgroup.com/ for more information.</p></p><p class="tracker">(ArticlesBase SC #26775)</p>
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Forcible rape and attempted forcible rape between people who know each other, either casually or well, make up a sizeable percentage of the false accusations in the criminal justice system. The cry of rape or abuse is a familiar cry when a relationship goes sour or when a woman has second thoughts after a night of sex or near intimacy. While there are certainly legitimate claims of rape and attempted rape in the world, from the defendant's perspective there are good reasons to view each claim with skepticism. Relationship rapes and date rapes are closely related and the techniques to defend each are similar.

The reasons for the accusations vary as do the situation, the character and personality of the alleged victim. In the system you see questionable accusations when dating or love relationships go sour and the woman is being rejected or being thrown aside for another woman. Sometimes in more casual dating the woman makes an accusation after having too much alcohol and engaging in sex. The morning after they realize what they have done and an accusation follows to protect their pride, cover their embarrassment, or justify a situation to their boyfriend or significant other.

Sometimes in younger women the issue of sex is still very delicate and the accusation comes after giving in and realizing afterwards what they have done does not sit well with their present psyche. Again, many times alcohol is a factor.

Sometimes the mental stability of the alleged victim is a major factor in making an accusation. All experienced rape defense lawyers have seen the young man who falls for a beautiful but unstable young woman and ends up getting accused when they break up or go farther than the woman's mental state will allow.

And, quite frankly, men are often too driven by their sexual desires to be careful in their judgments about who they attempt to bed. Men view sex entirely different than women for the most part. Men are very capable of enjoying sex and not thinking anything about it afterwards except for how much fun they had. Women may claim that is how they feel but the facts of these accusations show they have a much harder time accepting it as such a meaningless act of pleasure. It is in these instances that false accusations arise.



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Brain dead jury return that nonsense after the little girl admitted that she had been lying!!!!!

Not that I think for one second any sane society would place two ten years old on trial for such a deed.

In any case it nice that you had far more faith in a UK jury then an American one who found Dr. Smith/Kennedy innocent of date rape.