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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 02:47 pm
@hawkeye10,
Rape has always been regarded as an unwanted sexual assault. That is how it has been regarded throughout history. That is not just a majority opinion, it is a near universal opinion.

And we have been discussing rape as it is defined in the current laws. I am not interested in your fanciful definitions, which have no connection to agreed upon reality.

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And I sure as **** am not interested in making it all about the victims and nailing abusers, we have done too much of that already.


That's why you shouldn't be posting in this thread, because that's what this topic is about.

Stop being a coward, and post your own thread about male victims, or why you feel rape is all about the passion and the erotic. We are discussing rape as the law defines it.

Rape is not about sex, passion and the erotic. The women in their 80's and 90's, who have been raped in their own homes, and whose cases I have posted in this thread, would likely not agree with you.

If you think this case I am posting below is about passion and the erotic, you are out of your mind. If anything, this one illustrates just how much rape is about power and control. And your friend BillRM should note that the woman was drunk, and the cop didn't care, it just made her more vulnerable and easier to rape.

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Cop convicted of rape while on-duty
Marcus Huffman faces life in prison
Published : Thursday, 15 Apr 2010, 12:18 PM EDT

PROVIDENCE, R.I. (WPRI) - A Providence Police officer has been convicted of raping a woman inside a police substation while on duty.

Jurors found Patrolman Marcus Huffman guilty of first degree sexual assault, following deliberations that began Wednesday morning.

He could face life in prison for the crime.

A woman testified that Huffman raped her in the bathroom of a police substation in March 2007 after picking her up outside a nightclub where she was turned away for being too drunk. She said he then showed up at the hospital to take a report after her aunt called 911.

Family members say the victim has not been the same since the incident.

"She's always looking over her shoulder thinking that something is going to happen to her," said the victim's father.

Attorney General Patrick Lynch issued the following statement on the case:

“The facts of this case are by now fairly well known, but that doesn’t make them any easier to stomach. Marcus Huffman so abused his power and disgraced his badge that his conduct is almost beyond words, and consequently, he is now a convicted felon of a capital crime. I appreciate the efforts of the Rhode Island State Police as well as those of the Providence Police officers who assisted the investigation."

"I appreciate the jury’s service throughout the course of this trial. It entailed having to hear some very difficult testimony. I also appreciate Assistant Attorney General Maureen Keough’s tenacious and sensitive handling of this case."

"Most of all, I appreciate the victim’s courage. I hope she serves as an example to all victims of sexual assault, to come forward and report the crimes that have been committed against them. And I hope that this verdict will encourage the same outcome, a higher percentage of cases reported.”

Huffman is expected to appeal the decision.

http://www.wpri.com/dpp/news/local_news/providence/wpri-providence-verdict-reached-in-providence-police-officer-marcus-huffman-rape-trial


The victim in the above case has filed a civil lawsuit against the city of Providence, which she is likely to automatically win because of this conviction.
http://www.wpri.com/dpp/target_12/city-of-providence-sued-in-cop-marcus-huffman-rape-case

I am glad this man faces life in prison. I want him off the streets. Apart from the rape, for a police officer to so betray the public trust, and misuse his power, is not forgivable. And this man had the gall to show up at the hospital and take the woman's rape report! Any wonder women are reluctant to report rapes to the police?


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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 02:50 pm
@firefly,
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unwanted sexual assault


Hmm a wanted sexual assault is an interesting concept.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 03:01 pm
@BillRM,
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Hmm a wanted sexual assault is an interesting concept.


Ask your friend Hawkeye about that. He's the one who is into BDSM.

Can't you refrain from posting until you have an intelligent thought to add to the discussion? That might be a very long wait. Laughing

Still waiting for you to post your thread about male victimization, you phony. You don't care about the problems of men.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 03:03 pm
@firefly,
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I think the police and D.A.s already make every effort to filter out deliberately false accusations, not just when a rape charge is involved, but in all crimes. Why do you even assume they don't?


One of your many postings deals with some local politicians complaining that the police and the DA was filtering out a fair numbers of claims of sexual assault. Off hand I can not remember the percents of the cases however you was clearly supporting the politicians not the police and the DA.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 03:06 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
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Poor, pathetic coward. Most people who have been here as long as you know my name is Bill Ward, from Cedarburg, WI, (some even dined at my restaurant there, and met me in Milwaukee and Chicago), though I recently moved to New Berlin


I f you ever visit Miami, Detroit or La Vegas where my wife and I own homes we could go out and party together.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 03:08 pm
@firefly,
Sill trying to control the posting here.
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 03:09 pm
From today's news...

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Virginia May Nab Serial Rapist Through Blood Relative DNA
Familial DNA Powerful Forensic Tool But Few States Use It Because of Privacy Concerns
By BARBARA GOLDBERG
Aug. 9, 2010—


Familial DNA is such a powerful forensic tool that it triggered the arrest of the suspected Grim Sleeper rapist in Los Angeles after 25 years as a cold case. Now Virginia is moving to use the technique to nab the East Coast Rapist, whose DNA has connected him to 19 attacks in four states.

The effective yet controversial method identifies suspects through the DNA of a close blood relative who has already been in the criminal justice system after being arrested or convicted. Only two states -- California and Colorado -- currently use it but a more widespread movement to use familial DNA appears to be gaining momentum.

The Virginia Association of Commonwealth's Attorneys last week asked the state's Department of Forensic Science to use familial DNA to crack the case of the East Coast rapist, who has attacked women and girls in Virginia, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Maryland since 1997. Prosecutors passed a resolution that also asks the Virginia General Assembly to approve any legislation necessary to permit the forensic laboratory to conduct familial searches.

"He's a serial rapist who strikes frequently and, while this may not locate him, it's certainly worth taking a chance," said Prince William County Commonwealth's Attorney Paul B. Ebert, who aims to prosecute the most recent known attack on three teenage girls trick-or-treating near their homes in Dale City last Halloween.

Meanwhile, last week on Capitol Hill a bill was introduced to authorize the FBI to use its national database for familial scans. Rep. Adam Schiff D-Calif., who sponsored the Utilizing DNA Technology to Solve Cold Cases Act, said, "Searching the national database would increase the capacity of law enforcement to solve crimes, taking murderers and rapists off the streets and keeping our families safer."

Lonnie David Franklin Jr. was arrested in the Grim Sleeper case after a computerized search revealed that a DNA sample collected at one of the serial murder crime scenes was a near match of DNA that was collected from his son when he was arrested in a separate case. It was the first major break in the case that involved 10 murders over 25 years.

But some states -- including Maryland, where the East Coast Rapist has struck -- have outlawed using their DNA databases for familial searches. That's why Schiff's bill instructs the FBI to create a system whereby a state can request a familial search of the national DNA database. Without access to a national database, it is much more difficult to catch a predator who committed crimes in multiple states.

"If the Grim Sleeper's son had been arrested and jailed in Nevada, no match would have been made," said Schiff, since California is only authorized to search its home database.

The East Coast Rapist preyed on at least 19 women in nighttime attacks near major highways over the past 13 years. His attacks began in Maryland, moved into Virginia, then up to Connecticut and Rhode Island and back to Virginia. Authorities say he stalks and studies his victims, apparently attacking them in neighborhoods he knows well. He knows when they are most vulnerable, like when they are home alone with their children or failed to lock windows or doors.

"He's like a lion looking for prey," one of his victims, a woman who was raped in her Leesburg, Va., apartment in 2001, told the Washington Post.


The Quest To Use DNA Tool To Hunt East Coast Rapist
In his first known attack, he rode a bike and wore a ski mask when he attacked a 25-year-old woman at gunpoint in Forestville, Md., on Feb. 19, 1997. The same man's DNA tied him to the knifepoint attack on a mother of four in woods near a bus stop in Fairfax, Va., a few days after Christmas 2001. The rampage moved up to New England, where a 27-year-old woman awoke Jan. 10, 2007 to find a man in the bedroom in her New Haven, Conn., home and was then assaulted.

In his most recent attack on the three trick-or-treaters in a wooded ravine in northern Virginia, he raped one and was moving on to the next when the third teen dimmed the light on her cell phone and blindly texted seven people, including her mother, typing: "911 cvs pls noww man with gun." Before he could get to his third victim, police sirens scared off the rapist.

The rapist wielded a handgun or a knife in several attacks, a screwdriver and broken bottle in others.and after some assaults, he left feces near the crime scene. He is described as 6-foot tall trim black man in his 30s who smokes, has a smooth voice, often wears black hats and camouflage clothing and once had a chipped tooth.

One thing all sides agree on is that familial DNA is a effective tool for catching criminals. So why isn't it being put to work in more states?

"Ignorance, apathy," said Rock Harmon, the former prosecutor whose cases included the O.J. Simpson murder trial and who was instrumental in getting California forensics experts to employ familial searches. "You have something that could be so good. But it's pretty esoteric. You have to understand it to move it forward and not too many prosecutors do."

Critics say the push to use familial DNA is the first step down a slippery slope of eroding privacy and civil rights.

"These really, really gruesome cases make the most powerful case for using the method but that doesn't mean it's fair and equitable," said Erin Murphy, a leading DNA legal expert and professor at New York University's School of Law.

It would be fair only if every American submitted a sample to a DNA database, she said. That way the familial scans would not just include blood relatives of people who had been arrested or convicted, a group that primarily includes black and Hispanics. But there is a good reason why there is no movement toward an all encompassing DNA database for every U.S. citizen.

"People don't want the government to have the key to their genetic existence. That shows how important privacy is to people," Murphy said. "Right now, as a society, we decided that people who are law abiding don't need to submit DNA to a database. [Familial DNA searches are] a back door to subvert that. It's now true only if you're not related to someone who forfeited their DNA. It's guilt by association."

Both sides have strong arguments, said David Lazer, a political science professor at Northeastern University and editor of the book "DNA and the Criminal Justice System." On one hand it is a effective tool that could stop a violent serial criminal from striking again, he said. On the other, it risks "incorporating millions of people into the database who would otherwise not be in the database," just because a blood relative has run afoul of the criminal justice system, he added.

"Sometimes you can be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Maybe you left a cigarette butt at a place that turned out to be a crime scene. The police might think that butt was left by the perpetrator," said Lazer. DNA gathered from the cigarette could be run in a familial search and, if it matched DNA of a blood relative in the system after arrest or conviction in another incident, "you would be pulled in as a suspect."


Use of Familial DNA Moving at Glacial Pace in U.S.
Harmon says the anonymous nature of the computer search is enough to make familial DNA tracking fair and to maintain privacy. "All these samples are anonymously coded, no one knows who it is, whether the person is alive or dead. The real message is that when the true relative is not in there, it's not going to falsely target anyone. When he is in there, there is a strong chance he'll be identified."

While acknowledging efforts in Virginia and in Congress toward broader use of familial DNA, he said adoption of the crime-fighting tool has moved at a glacial pace in the U.S.

"I won't even call it on the back burner. This has stayed in the freezer," said Harmon.

In Virginia, prosecutor Ebert hopes a familial DNA search will be the key to unlock the mysterious identity of the East Coast Rapist so he can be arrested before he strikes again.

"It's sort of a new procedure and my way of thinking is that there is no reason why everyone shouldn't use it," said Ebert, who acknowledges privacy concerns. "When you know the same guy is committing these crimes but you don't know who it is, this is a tool that needs to be used."

The director of the forensic science department, Peter Marone, said he was reluctant to use existing software offered by Colorado and wants to investigate other options, raising questions about how quickly Virginia will be able to act. While legislative action is not required for the department to adopt the procedure, he would prefer to move forward after a vote by the Virginia General Assembly due to privacy concerns.

"Personally, I would like a little bit of coverage from the government here. This is a sticky issue. I want to make sure it doesn't blow up on us," said Marone. He said his department will comply with the resolution, but cautiously. "Whether we can do it in some months or whether it will take a year, I'm not sure."

With the East Coast Rapist on the loose, time is of the essence, Ebert said. "The attorneys are going to do everything to push this along. It looks like the governor's office may have to get involved."

http://abcnews.go.com/News/TheLaw/familial-dna-expose-east-coast-rapist/story?id=11334748

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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 03:13 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
I f you ever visit Miami, Detroit or La Vegas where my wife and I own homes we could go out and party together.
I don't party with people I despise, and it’s beyond clear that you’re too cowardly to ever live up to your demented rambling. Probably posting from your mom's basement.

Is it Texas where they say, "all hat, no cattle"?
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 03:20 pm
More from today's news..

This man was not commiting "erotic acts of passion" Rape is a violent crime motivated by issues of power and control.

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N.J. serial rapist Nealson Connell sentenced to prison
Sunday, 08 August 2010 07:50

Prior to being sentenced for the sexual and physical assaults he inflicted upon four women in Jersey City, Bayonne and Newark, Nealson Connell apologized to his victims and his family.

Three of his victims read statements aloud in state Superior Court in Jersey City while the fourth victim spoke directly to the court about the horrors they endured at the serial rapists hands and the lasting effects the assault and it's brutality had on their lives, The Jersey Journal reported.

"I can still feel the repeated bashing of a rock against my face," one woman's letter read, according to The Jersey Journal. "As I pleaded for my life and said, 'I can't breathe,' he hit me again and I thought I was going to die."

Another victim stood before Judge Joseph Isabella and in her own words told the court how Connell's assault has wreaked on her life.

"I want him to pay for what he has done," the woman said. As she turned and returned to her seat in the courtroom benches, her voice trailing off as she tearfully added, "I don't know why he did this to us," The Jersey Journal reported.

Perhaps Connell's most violent attack took place in the industrial area of Newark on Feb. 17, 2002. Police say the serial rapist grabbed one victim, who was on her way to a movie theater, dragged her into a truck yard and hidden between two trucks, he began punching her about the face numerous times before sexually assaulting the now 34-year-old woman.

Judge Isabella called the assaults, "Horrific, horrific crimes that have devastated the lives of four women - horrific," according to a report on MSNBC.com.

After she sentenced Connell, she asked if he wanted to say anything and the rapist silently mouthed "No," The Associated Press reported.

The attacks, which took place in 2001 and 2002, were traced back to Connell through a DNA sample taken in August 2008 after he was convicted of an unrelated crime.

In April, Connell, a resident of Avenue C, admitted to committing the attacks and pleaded guilty to four counts of aggravated sexual assault. The 35-year-old man, whose prior criminal record involves drug charges, hands cuffed, stared at the defense table as his victims recounted details of their savage attacks.

http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/state/nj-serial-rapist-nealson-connell-sentenced-to-prison


He was sentenced to 35 years in prison.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 03:23 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
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Is it Texas where they say, "all hat, no cattle"?



In BillRM's case it would more likely be All Bull....No balls
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 03:26 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
Familial DNA is such a powerful forensic tool that it triggered the arrest of the suspected Grim Sleeper rapist in Los Angeles after 25 years as a cold case. Now Virginia is moving to use the technique to nab the East Coast Rapist, whose DNA has connected him to 19 attacks in four states.


So everyone related by blood to someone in prison with DNA on file who is related by blood to a unknown criminal would come under suspense and investigation?

Well I can surely see how it might be a useful tool for law enforcement but very very 1984 big brother kind of useful.

Might as well place the whole population DNA on file as to do so would not be all that costly and far more useful. If we going to a 1984 society we might as well go all the way.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 03:46 pm
@OCCOM BILL,
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Probably posting from your mom's basement.


No basements at all in south Florida the water table will not allow it however we do have one basement located in Detroit that is very nice. My wife spend thirty thousands on redoing it a few years ago.

Oh as a matter of fact I am posting this now at my mother kitchen table on my notebook.

She needed some minor repair work done so I came down to do that and to visit.

Sure you do not what to party pretty boy?

I promised not to get your too drunk and rape you if that what you are worry about.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 03:48 pm
@BillRM,
Does your mother know about your latent sexual desires and attitude towards women?
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 03:50 pm
@BillRM,
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Might as well place the whole population DNA on file as to do so would not be all that costly and far more useful


I would have no objection to that. Particularly if the information is coded to protect identities.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 03:56 pm
@firefly,
MANATEE COUNTY - The same gray T-shirt that helped put Derrick Williams of Palmetto in prison for life on a rape conviction in 1993 has resurfaced as the piece of evidence that may exonerate him.



A woman escaped from the rape with her attacker's gray T-shirt, and she identified Williams in court as the man who took off his shirt to cover her face during the attack. Williams' girlfriend also told the jury that he left home that day wearing a gray shirt but returned with a red one.

But on Monday, Williams' attorneys revealed that new DNA tests of sweat and skin cells on the inside of the shirt collar did not come from Williams. They say the results prove Williams is innocent, and that he has spent the past 17 years in prison on a wrongful conviction.

"The T-shirt has the DNA of the perpetrator, and it's not our guy," said Melissa Montle, staff attorney for the Innocence Project of Florida. "It's really, really good news."

Williams' attorneys will file motions today to vacate his kidnapping and rape convictions and life prison sentence. The new lab results sent to prosecutors Monday exclude Williams from being a contributor to a mixture of DNA found on the inside of the gray shirt's collar -- where skin and sweat from the wearer would collect.

Twelve people in Florida -- and 255 nationwide -- have been exonerated based on DNA evidence, which has advanced to allow testing on hair and even degraded substances since Williams went to prison, said Seth Miller, the Innocence Project executive director.

"We had another case just like this in Brevard County, and that gentleman was exonerated after 27 years in prison," Miller said. "We think we should have the same result here."

The Innocence Project called on prosecutors to immediately agree to release Williams. But a local prosecutor said the new evidence does not prove Williams' innocence, and said the state will ask for a hearing before a judge to discuss it.

Williams was informed of the results in prison and, according to the Innocence Project, said: "It makes me extremely happy that it's finally coming to an end. The results prove what I have said all along -- I am innocent."

Police accused Williams, now 47, of abducting the 25-year-old woman from her Palmetto home, forcing her into her car and driving her to an orange grove to rape her.

Williams testified on his own behalf at trial. Relatives told the jury he was eating chicken and drinking beer with them at a family barbecue at the time of the attack.

Labs create a profile from a suspect's DNA by using 13 locations on the DNA that are known to vary from person to person. It is then compared to a profile of DNA taken from evidence. Any difference in any one of the locations means there is no match and the suspect therefore could not have left the DNA.

At the time of his arrest, Williams offered to give blood and saliva samples. But there was no sperm found to compare the genetic material, and DNA techniques used to find samples on evidence were not known then.

That meant the case was largely based on the victim's identification of Williams, but her description of her assailant differed from Williams and her story had several inconsistencies. Misidentification is often the cause of wrongful convictions that are later overturned by DNA evidence, the Innocence Project said.

Law enforcement prepared a photo line-up that included two pictures of Williams -- which is inherently suggestive -- and the victim said she was 80 percent sure Williams was her attacker, the Innocence Project says.

The victim did a live line-up later and said she was sure it was Williams. Her best opportunity to see her attacker was with her car window cracked with the man on the porch 20 feet away -- she said he had her in a headlock or with the shirt on her head the rest of the time, the Innocence Project said.

The victim said her attacker was 5-foot-6 to 5-foot-8 with a scar on his gut, whereas Williams is 5-11 with a scar on his back. She changed her testimony at trial to say the scar was on her attacker's back, even though she had told investigators she never saw her attacker's back.

The state also contended the shirt belonged to Williams even though the Florida Department of Law Enforcement had used a microscope to determine a hair extracted from the shirt could not have been Williams', the Innocence Project says.

The Innocence Project sought to test that hair and other evidence in Williams' case, such as the car's floor mats, the rape kit and the victim's clothing during the rape.

But those items were destroyed by the Manatee County Sheriff's office after a 2003 water leak in an evidence storage facility, along with evidence in about 3,600 other criminal cases.

Miller said there was a good chance they would have been able to find DNA evidence to test on those other items to help further show Williams' innocence.

That is important because if the conviction and sentence are vacated, the next step procedurally is a retrial. Prosecutors would not have much of the evidence from the case since it was destroyed.

At the time of his conviction, Williams was already a felon, and had been accused and acquitted of a rape years earlier.

A woman said two men abducted her car from the parking lot of a north Manatee County convenience store in 1980, drove her to an orange grove and raped her.

In that case, the woman identified Williams and another man as her attackers; the other man was in jail at the time of the rape and Williams' relatives said he was home sleeping at the time.

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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 03:58 pm
@BillRM,
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Sure you do not what to party pretty boy?

I promised not to get your too drunk and rape you if that what you are worry about.


What's the matter? You can't meet any nice guys on Match.com?

Joking about rape is not very funny, you idiot. Now you've made it clear you don't even care about rape victims when they are males who have been raped by another male.

Your problem with women is that size does matter to them--the size of a man's brain. In that department, you are an obvious loser.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 04:03 pm
@firefly,
No problem if you happen to 100 percent trust both the current government and all future ones.

Not only for their good faith but their ability to keep control of the data and not allow it to fall into the wrong hands.
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 04:03 pm
Again, from today's news, a crime of violence against a child...anyone who is vulnerable can be raped.

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Va. man charged in rape of girl, 10

A Woodbridge man has been charged with rape and other offenses in connection with the alleged rape of a 10-year-old girl, authorities said Monday.

Leonel Vega-Perez, 34, of the 14400 block of Delmar Drive, is jailed in Prince William County and charged with three counts of rape, three counts of object penetration and two counts of aggravated sexual battery.

Vega-Perez knew the family of his alleged victim, police said.

Relatives alerted police to the suspected assaults that occurred between July 1 and August 8 in the county and in Manassas Park, according to Prince William County police spokesman Officer Jonathan L. Perok.

A joint police investigation continues, Perok said.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/mary-pat-flaherty/woodbridge-man-accused-with-ra.html
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 04:05 pm
@firefly,
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Joking about rape is not very funny, you idiot. Now you've made it clear you don't even care about rape victims when they are males who have been raped by another male.


Lol..................................and for the record I think that any adult who get drunk by his or her own free will and then claimed rape after granting consent is a joke
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2010 04:07 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Sure you do not what to party pretty boy?

I promised not to get your too drunk and rape you if that what you are worry about.
Tough talk from an anonymous coward. Truly pathetic. Careful... I think your shadow's behind you! Shocked
 

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