Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@Intrepid,

Intrepid wrote:

Caroline wrote:

Yeah I did call him an abuser, because I had no choice in the matter, he was abusing my rights, I have a right to feel comfortable where ever I go, why is that such an effin problem with these retrobates. Good point aswell.

Yes, but you said that after Hawkeye made that claim.

Yes I did, sorry I realized that after I posted.

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@hawkeye10,

We are talking about rape and the violation of women, who do you think is responsible, it's a simple question and again I find most of your post incoherent and thus missing the point, your sentences do not make sense.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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I have a right to feel comfortable where ever I go
you have no such right..you have the right to choose where you go and whom you associate with, you do not have the right to go where ever you choose and demand that everyone around you conform to your desires, your comfort level.

She has just as much right to feel comfortable as you have the right to be the low-life that you portray.

I can just picture you saying the things that you post on here, hidden behind the anonymity of a fake id, to the husbands or boyfriends of the women that you relish in putting down. I would really like to be a witness to that.

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@hawkeye10,

I have the right to be respected then, if you must split hairs, god what is the deal with you blaming the effin woman, you've got issues, you know that.

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@Caroline,

You probably got involved for one of the same reasons the rest of us did. Figured we could talk some sense into Bill and Hawkey. Honey, it ain't gonna happen. They have continually throughout this thread made it clear that a man being falsely accused of rape is a much bigger problem than rape itself. So, most of us dropped out of the convo because it's like beating your head up a brick wall.

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@Arella Mae,

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They have continually throughout this thread made it clear that a man being falsely accused of rape is a much bigger problem than rape itself.

Bullshit, we have said that the law is not right until it is fair to men, and right now it is not. Neither Bill nor I have negated in any way the problem of real rape, nor objected to the harsh treatment of real rapists.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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They have continually throughout this thread made it clear that a man being falsely accused of rape is a much bigger problem than rape itself.
Bullshit, we have said that the law is not right until it is fair to men, and right now it is not. Neither Bill nor I have negated in any way the problem of real rape, nor objected to the harsh treatment of real rapists.

No hawkeye the law is not right until it is fair to women, they are the ones getting raped, that is the first most important thing, but you only concern yourself with what is fair to men and not women, why?

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@Caroline,

This is where I pull out, this is not debate, it's just accusations, pointless. Goodnight all and I wish I never jumped in. Firefly did warn me and boy was she right, good luck girl with your thread. Smile

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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They have continually throughout this thread made it clear that a man being falsely accused of rape is a much bigger problem than rape itself.
Bullshit, we have said that the law is not right until it is fair to men, and right now it is not. Neither Bill nor I have negated in any way the problem of real rape, nor objected to the harsh treatment of real rapists.

I consider it fair to me. But then, I don't intend to do anything that would bring me in conflict with the law.

I respect women, so I would not presume that they are there for my selfish pleasures. I understand the one syllable word - No.

I understand that a woman that has been drinking may not have the capacity to be able to be consentual. Under those circumstances, it wouldn't be a pleasurable mutual experience anyhow.

Maybe some of those bozos that don't care about that could get themselves one of those blow up dolls and have at it.

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@Caroline,

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No hawkeye the law is not right until it is fair to women, they are the ones getting raped, that is the first most important thing, but you only concern yourself with what is fair to men and not women, why?

the law must be fair to both men and women, and it must demand that both men and women take responsibility for their actions and do what they can to avoid getting into sexual conflicts. Right now feminists argue that women have no responsibilities, that everything that goes wrong is the fault of men. This has to stop.

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@Caroline,

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This is where I pull out, this is not debate, it's just accusations, pointless. Goodnight all and I wish I never jumped in. Firefly did warn me and boy was she right, good luck girl with your thread

This is a debate, it has been a rather good one. Let this be a lesson to you that here at a2k one is not wise to enter the fray without an A game and some intestinal fortitude. There will be no sops given for your lack of ability to argue your case.

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@BillRM,

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Hawkeye and Bill are rape denialists. They think the answer is otherwise, or at least can't accept that the answer is this simple. They aren't looking to assist in any sort of way to lessen the crime of rape, they want to play down the entire threat itself by creating some sort of con-artist boogey-woman that is lurking for poor guys to extort.

Yes I know we should just pretend that the scientific studies does not exist and the publicly known cases of false charges are flukes and that women rarely or never lied on the subject.

Strawman.

Nobody has said that women never lie.

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We should just lock up any male who any woman charge with rape as women do not lie on the subject at all.

Strawman.

In cases where all the woman has is her word the more likely scenario is that the case will be dismissed. You have this completely backwards.

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@BillRM,

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Sorry you are not a lawyer and voluntary intoxication had never been allow as an out under the legal system in any regards.

How do you know I am not a lawyer?

Voluntary intoxication is not an out for a man who claims he was drunk when he had sex with a woman and he thought she was consenting when she was not.

However, when a woman is intoxicated she cannot legally give consent. That is very clear in the Florida law from the wording of the definition of consent. Anything that would impair the woman's cognitive functioning, awareness, or perception, would interfere with her ability to give "intelligent" and "knowing" consent. Alcohol does all of that. Any "reasonable person" would be expected to recognize the signs of intoxication.

As usual, you are misinterpreting the Florida statute. Because there is a separate legal category of non consent that pertains when a victim is given drugs or intoxicants without their knowledge, or involuntarily, you assume that is the only part of the statute relevant to intoxication, but that is not the case. Alcohol figures into consent. The victim must have been been in an unimpaired mental state in order to give consent.

Several pages back I posted a video about the sportscaster who was recently arrested for a date rape. On that video, the D.A. clearly says that the alleged victim was intoxicated, meaning she could not legally give consent. That was the basis for the rape charge.

You don't have to believe me about the interpretation of the law. Call your local D.A. and ask them to explain the law to you.

You have misinterpreted every state law we have discussed. It is clear you are not a lawyer. Laughing

Stupidity is not an out either. People like you are still expected to understand the laws and obey them.

Are you this bad at understanding the traffic laws?

For you, they should write the book, "Rape Laws for Dummies" Laughing

In fact, I might even write it myself.

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@Caroline,

I do not understand your complains and name calling but whatever........

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@Caroline,

Unless you are talking about a stranger attack it sadly is not a simple issue most of the time to determent, between a dating couple, if rape had occur or not and that problem go up greatly when you add if the woman could or could not grant valid consent because of her drinking.

The only way of simplifying the matter is just to lock up any man that any woman claim rape her be the man just going on a date or a long term boyfriend or a husband.

No evidence needed beyond her word and all problems go away.

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@Caroline,

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No hawkeye the law is not right until it is fair to women, they are the ones getting raped, that is the first most important thing, but you only concern yourself with what is fair to men and not women, why?

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LOL so the risk of locking up men for decades for rapes that they did not do is so unimportant compare to a women being rape we should not care about it at all?

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@failures art,

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In cases where all the woman has is her word the more likely scenario is that the case will be dismissed. You have this completely backwards.

Not true would you care for a list of cases where the word of a woman alone was enough?

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@firefly,

Are you now claiming to be a lawyer??????????

Please issue such a claim please please please..........

LOL.......................

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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In cases where all the woman has is her word the more likely scenario is that the case will be dismissed. You have this completely backwards.

Not true would you care for a list of cases where the word of a woman alone was enough?

That wouldn't prove your claim. You'd have to be able to account for all the cases where all the woman has is her word and the case never makes it to a conviction.

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@BillRM,

I am not sure Bill....did we link this before?

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Rumney's smart debunkings leave us with a group of American, British, Canadian, and New Zealand studies that converge around a rate of 8 percent to 10 percent for false reports of rape. Not all of these studies are flawless, but together they're better than the rest of the lot. They include a massive 1997 report on sexual assault by the U.S. Department of Justice, which includes data from 16,000 local, county, and state law enforcement agencies. The DoJ found that "in 1995, 87% of recorded forcible rapes were completed crimes and the remainder were classified as attempts. Law enforcement agencies indicated that about 8% of forcible rapes reported to them were determined to be unfounded and were excluded from the count of crimes."

If 8 percent to 10 percent is about right for false reporting of rape, based on what we know so far, how should we think about that number? Rumney says he's not sure whether crying wolf is more or less likely over rape than over other crimes, because the comparative research is even less conclusive. So that's a question that appears to have no answer at the moment. (A 2001 Department of Justice report says that the rate of false reports is similar for other crimes, but it also gives the 2 percent figure without a source, so we're skeptical.)

What is clear, however, are two problems that are the flip side of the same coin. False charges of rape are an absolute nightmare for the men caught in their net. And the specter of made-up allegations is a real problem for law enforcement—which means they are also a problem for women who are telling the truth

http://www.doublex.com/section/news-politics/why-it%E2%80%99s-so-hard-quantify-false-rape-charges?page=0,1

this thread has gone so long that I cant remember...

edit: this supports my assertion that we simply do not know, that it is only now that serious people are looking to see what the facts are.

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