Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@hawkeye10,

I agree that the number was very high and I was shock but take note that for a long time feminists had been complaining that a large ratio of the total rape charges are being dismiss by police departments as unfounded and the studies I had posted seem to explain why that is happening and it not because the police do not care about the crime of rape.

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@failures art,

Thank you, a man with sense at last.

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@Caroline,

And what kind of man thinks it's alright to stare at my crotch whilst im in a meeting, I tell you what, low-life if you don't like it tough, grow a pair and step up to the plate for once instead of blaming women you bloody cavemen.

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@failures art,

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Hawkeye and Bill are rape denialists. They think the answer is otherwise, or at least can't accept that the answer is this simple. They aren't looking to assist in any sort of way to lessen the crime of rape, they want to play down the entire threat itself by creating some sort of con-artist boogey-woman that is lurking for poor guys to extort.

Yes I know we should just pretend that the scientific studies does not exist and the publicly known cases of false charges are flukes and that women rarely or never lied on the subject.

We should just lock up any male who any woman charge with rape as women do not lie on the subject at all.

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@Caroline,

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And what kind of man thinks it's alright to stare at my crotch whilst im in a meeting, I tell you what, low-life if you don't like it tough, grow a pair and step up to the plate for once instead of blaming women you prat.

I am a breast man myself and if a woman is around me showing a large amount of her skin in that area I do my very very best but it can be hard at times.

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@BillRM,

But you're unsympathetic to the real cause and blame woman, I should take it as a compliment. Honey your rapist went unpunished because we we're to busy debating about the girls who lied, why do you keep deferring from the real issues? That is men who are the main perpetrators of rape and laws need to be made, why do you feel it's such a hard thing to accept, why are you more concerned with the plight of the innocent man accused?

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@BillRM,

Well I wasn't showing any flesh anywhere and obviously not on my crotch duh, so there is no excuse. Your almost saying we're asking for it, eff off. I just wonder what kind of man you are, ignorant, arrogant and a disrespectful person.

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@Caroline,

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And what kind of man thinks it's alright to stare at my crotch whilst im in a meeting

I am guessing a guy who likes to bang women, and has not been been made to understand that sexuality is repressed in the workplace, and that the price of refusing to conform is being deprived of employment.

So how many times did you attempt to correct the problem before you decided that you were a victim? How many times did you talk to him about it? How many complaints did you make to your employer? Your complaint is legit only if you availed yourself of the resources that you had at your disposal and were unsuccessful in your mission to remove the lusting after you from the workplace.

If you position is that you should not have to do any work then **** that...we are all human, human conflict is normal, not understanding or not following the rules is normal. You had obligations in this situation, and so far it looks like you did not do a damn thing except evade the problem by leaving. Which is fine, just dont go whining after the fact..... you had other options on how to handle this situation, not choosing them is all on you.

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@hawkeye10,

Yes he sure did like to bang women he made it clear whether I liked it or not, I had no choice you bastard. And why are you so quick to accuse me of not following procedure, which I did, you are so quick to put it on the woman, it is not firefly that hates men like you say, it is you who has a problem with women.. Dont you dare put this on me you spineless coward, it's not intelligent and shows arrogance that prevents women being heard, why because you're very ignorant and very silly little boys grow some. Your just a bad as the rapists, you know that, how terribly ignorant, use women as an excuse to violate them, unheard of! You should be ashamed of yourselves. You're not real men you're pathetic.

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@hawkeye10,

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Firefly has not been posting what she agrees or disagrees with. She is posting what the law says about it
Bullshit, she has spent this entire thread arguing in support of the law and the direction that the law is going in. The law is not handed down by God, we make the law. We can also change the law, change the direction that the law is going it. When the law started to remove the right of individuals to consent to sex for no reason other than busy bodies do not like what is consented to (BDSM, the exercising of power in intimate relationship) or because of the individuals vices (alcohol) it became time to remove my consent from the laws that have been made.

How is what I said bullshit? I posted a fact. The fact that you either choose to or are to stupid to understand this is not my problem.

The laws were changed. Because that is what the people wanted. I don't think you will find too many, other than rapists and misfits, who will agree with you.

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@hawkeye10,

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I think women are victimized sexually, I left my last job because a man made me feel really uncomfortable by staring at my crotch a lot, I had to leave, where's the justice in that?

he was not responsible for how you felt, that was on you. You could have just as easily taken it as a compliment, as a validation of your desirability. He was responsible for looking, which makes him crude but not an abuser. Did you make ANY effort to deal with the situation our did you jump right to being a victim and running away? Again, that was all you, take responsibility for yourself please.

Nowhere did she say he was an abuser. She said he made her feel uncomfortable. If he was the cause of her being uncomfortable by his actions, how do you make the assumption that that was on her.

That is exactly the thinking that folks are calling you on.

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@Intrepid,

Yeah I did call him an abuser, because I had no choice in the matter, he was abusing my rights, I have a right to feel comfortable where ever I go, why is that such an effin problem with these retrobates. Good point aswell.

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@Caroline,

I know it amazed me I never said once on this thread that real rape does not happen and should not be punish harshly.

I had said that because a man is charge does not mean he is guilty and we have one hell of a problem in picking out the cases of real rape from false rape charges in complex couples situations and early on this thread that even in stranger rapes cases there had been problems with honest errors by the victims in IDing the attackers.

That muddling the water even further by charging men with rape because of the drinking and regret after the facts of the lady only added to the problems of finding and punishing real rapists.

That it serve both men and women to do our very human best to reduce the false charges as must as possible by also harshly punishing women who do file knowingly false charges , to change the ways we do line ups to reduce the errors in IDing attackers and not made men carry the burden of judging if a lady had or had not consume too many drinks to consent to sex as an adult that is her duty not her date duty to monitor her drinking.

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@Caroline,

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Dont bother firefly they are not worth the effort, I have a feeling your wasting your time, this thread has clearly attracted men who think it's the womans fault now I know where you're coming from! Wait for some real men to come in, ignore these losers.

Firefly is not wasting her time as many others can read the thread and either make up their own minds or learn something new.

There are several real men who have posted on this thread. Pretty much all but Billy and Hawkeye agree with the laws and the premise.

These two guys (I hesitate to call them men and put them into a group with the rest of us) make post after post of rhetoric and rebuttal without real facts. Bill says the laws are different in Florida. Florida law has been posted and he is still in denial.

Waste of time corresponging with these two? Yes. Waste of time for this thread and the factual information that has come out? No.

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@Caroline,

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Your almost saying we're asking for it, eff off. I just wonder what kind of man you are, ignorant, arrogant and a disrespectful person.

Well first of all this have nothing to do with rape it have to do with looking only and somehow I assume that woman who show a lot of cleaved might be doing it in part to get men to look at same.

Not stare at same but take a look.

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@Caroline,

Caroline wrote:

Yeah I did call him an abuser, because I had no choice in the matter, he was abusing my rights, I have a right to feel comfortable where ever I go, why is that such an effin problem with these retrobates. Good point aswell.

Yes, but you said that after Hawkeye made that claim.

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@BillRM,

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her duty not her date duty to monitor her drinking

this needs repeating...

Also, it is a disservice to women and disrespectful of women and unfair to men to remove from women their responsibilities to themselves and placing it with men. It is absolutely a return to treating women as idiot children. Women should be first in line in objecting to being treated thus.

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@BillRM,

Sorry but I find your post incoherent and fail to understand your point, and I don't care if you said it or not and your amazed, one of you told me firefly was a manhater and one of you is so concerned with false allegations and the problems it leads to is not just getting it that you have both put it on the woman, you are both guilty of being low-life, I'm not concerned you being amazed because your view is not that important. obviously.

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@Caroline,

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I have a right to feel comfortable where ever I go

you have no such right..you have the right to choose where you go and whom you associate with, you do not have the right to go where ever you choose and demand that everyone around you conform to your desires, your comfort level.

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@Intrepid,

I totally agree in that the thread is not a waste of time, I was hoping to talk to firefly but she is busy wasting her time with those two. It's so refreshing to get a bit of support from a man, thank goodness. Smile

and thanks.

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