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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 11:28 am
@BillRM,
Just because a specific section of the sexual offenses law refers to specific instances where she did not voluntarily ingest the substance (which automatically means she did not give consent), does not mean that is the only part of the law that would pertain to a woman who voluntarily consumed alcohol. You are being so concrete in how you read and understand the law, you are distorting what it says. You are disregarding the fact the woman must be "intelligent and knowing" to even legally give consent under Florida law.

Her impaired, intoxicated state most definitely would affect her ability to make intelligent, informed, clear, fully voluntary decisions. You don't have to be a lawyer to understand that. Alcohol impairs cognitive functions--reasoning, judgment, etc.. That's why people can't drink and drive. The general public is expected to understand this. A man in the presence of a woman is expected to understand this.

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If she is completely unaware of her surroundings you might have a point but if she can talk and walk etc you do not have a point, as you cannot in fairness and legally place the burden on a man with not training to decide the issue of her fitness to grant consent then second guess the matter hours or days later.

Now if you wish to set up 24 hours testing stations where a man can take his date to be screen by an expert on her ability to grant consent or some other such silliness you might be able to get away with it.


Most people stopped for drunk driving are quite able to walk and talk. They can even drive. But they will be arrested anyway if their blood alcohol is above the legal limit. So merely being able to walk and talk means she just hasn't passed out yet...she may be quite drunk.

That same man is expected to know his own legal limits and state of intoxication before he gets in a car--without going to "24 hour testing stations", so the point you you are raising is absurd.

Most men are with the woman when she has been drinking. Or they observe her drinking. They don't meet someone in a bar, for instance, and immediately have sex with her within 2 or 3 minutes. They see them drinking. Most men are not so stupid that they do not know when a woman is intoxicated. They would not hand her the keys to their car if she was in that condition. And, they should refrain from having sex with her in that condition too. The problem is, too many men are more than willing to take advantage of an intoxicated woman. They do not care if she is too legally impaired to legally consent. And, in date rape situations, they often deliberately try to get her drunk so she won't be able to offer much resistance, because their intention is to have sex with her whether she wants it or not.

Sorry, under the law, the man is supposed to recognize when she is legally able to give consent and when she isn't. If the man has any doubts about her legal ability to give consent, he should refrain from having sex with her, because the consequences for him might be quite bad. If she had a highly infectious STD he should refrain from having sex with her, because the consequences for him might be quite bad. Men don't have to have sex on every occasion they are alone with a woman. They are expected to protect themselves from STDs, and from rape charges. Even if they don't give a damn about the woman, they should protect themselves from doing anything that could get them charged with rape.

A woman who gets drunk is not breaking a law. The man who has sex with her in that condition is breaking a law. He is making himself legally a rapist, by his own decision to have sex with her when she is too legally impaired to give consent.

You are not raising any issues of real substance. People are expected to know and understand and obey the laws, including the rape laws.

If a man knew that his penis would fall off if he had sex with an intoxicated woman, don't you think men would quickly figure out how to know when or whether a woman was intoxicated?


firefly
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 11:40 am
This is really a very good, very sensible article.

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How can men know if someone is giving consent or not?

Sometimes, someone being raped will clearly say no and will NOT clearly say yes. They might say no verbally, with words, they might say no by crying, they might say no by physically trying to push away the other person or get away from them. They might try and change the subject from sex to something else, and some might try and make a deal with a rapist agreeing to a kind of sex they still don't want, but feel might be less traumatic, in the hopes that if they provide that, they won't be forced to do other things they want to do even less, or are afraid of more. They may also be saying no by nonparticipating in sex, by being passive or dissociating (mentally going somewhere else in their heads so they don’t have to be fully present during their rape). In fact, when a person you or someone else is going to have sex with is physically unresponsive, not reacting to sex with some clear expression of enjoyment or is very nonverbal, the chance that pursuing sex with them is, instead, pursuing rape, are high.

There's a weird idea that's been out and about for hundreds and hundreds of years that it's normal for a female partner to "just lay there," -- and disturbingly, this has been a common complaint from heterosexual male partners about women -- or to be totally unengaged in sex. The thing is, while that may be common, it's anything but normal. Someone who wants to be having sex with someone else -- who really wants to, which is the only time anyone should be having sex -- isn't just lying there, silent and prone. They're clearly engaged, and clearly and actively participating in the sex they’re having.

Yes is yes. No is not yes. And neither is maybe. When it comes to sex, "maybe" isn't yes. At best, it’s “Not now, but perhaps another time” -- and so in a scenario where the answer to “Do you wanna?” is maybe, maybe is no. Full and active consent to sex isn’t an “Ugh, okay,” or an “Ummm… I guess.” It’s an enthusiastic yes.

A lot of people have been (and are still) reared to think that sex with someone is something you "get," and if someone will LET you get it – rather than really sharing it with you -- it's all okay. Those same folks have often also been reared with the idea that while no is no, maybe is yes (and that even when someone says no, if they’ll let you get away with ignoring their no, it’s still okay to ignore their dissent). We have a tragically long culture history of men being told then when women say "maybe" it’s a cute way of saying yes, so it can be hard to recognize that under all the bizarre coyness usually affixed to that, being told a woman’s maybe is yes is being told that sex is only about what men want, and that rape is okay, so long as you can get away with it or excuse rape in a way that the victim or others accept.

Let's think about all that for a minute, and play nonconsent out in some other contexts.

• You're making dinner for someone, your favorite spaghetti sauce, which you’re intensely proud of. But as it turns out, they are allergic to tomatoes. You ask them if they’re sure, and they assure you they are. You suggest maybe it’s different with your sauce somehow. They say, again, that they’re pretty sure they’re still going to be allergic. But you worked al day on the sauce, feel like they at least owe you one spoonful to see how great it is, so you ladle it unto their plate anyway, and in time, your nagging gets to tiresome that they go ahead and take a spoonful, even knowing they’re likely to feel sick very shortly.

• Your friend's Dad is huge with football: he’s the football coach for the high school. He will not leave his son alone about joining the team, and belittles him constantly for not having interest. Your friend not only can't stand sports, but joining the football team would take away from the time he wants to put into the debate team to prepare for a career in law, where his heart is really at, and where his life goals lie. As well, he knows that he's going to have to put up with a lot of abuse from other fellows on the team because his dad is the coach, and because he’s just not very athletic. Your friend's Dad is not leaving him alone about this, to the point that it's clear his love is pretty conditional: if your friend gives up his own dreams and joins the team, his Dad is going to be a lot nicer to him. Too, he's just starting to feel really unloved because he's not doing what his Dad wants him to do. So, he joins the team, but only because he wants to escape his father’s insults and pressure, and it costs him the pursuit of his own goals.

• Your best friend has been enjoying boxing a lot, so much that he's started training to compete in pro fights. Not only are you not excited about boxing, even watching is tough for you because you had a bad experience being beaten up when you were a kid. But he wants you to try it with him – even though you know he’s going to be rough with you and will probably hurt you: he’s a lot bigger than you are, and you don’t know how to box -- saying even when he gets hit, HE likes it, and he's also been saying some pretty crummy stuff to try and get you to do it, calling you a girl (including to other people), saying you’re a pussy, saying you aren’t really his friend if you don’t support him by getting into the ring with him. Wanting him to just stop verbally abusing you and maligning you to other people, you finally step in, only to get your nose broken, which he later will tell you and everyone else was your fault for not blocking your face from his punch.

• You and a friend are in an airplane, considering skydiving. You only have some of the equipment you need, and might know some of how to do it, but you really aren't prepared or in a position to be safe, and just haven't made up your mind yet, and are only on the plane so you can get a better sense of what you want. But he really wants you to do it, too, to give him the courage to do it. You’re explaining you’re not sure at the same time he’s just grabbing you with him as he jumps, pushing you out of the plane.

Do any of those scenarios seem like maybe is really yes, or that taking those actions after that maybe is anything but an abuse? Can you see how one party in those scenarios is coercing the other through verbal, emotional or physical force?

The same goes with sex. We can easily suss out that if your pal didn't even ASK you if you wanted to skydive, and just pushed you off a plane with no warning, that'd be a clear assault and abuse. If your friend had the conversation with you above, and still pushed you out of that plane – or even if he just got you to dive by nagging you -- would it be about him wanting to share something with you, and you with him, or would it be about bullying, about forcing you to do something for THEM, without respect for your wishes? In other words, it's still an abuse; it's still an assault.

But what if my partner is quiet or shy?

Establish a solid foundation for communicating together in a way in which they can comfortably communicate, even if it isn't always verbal, and take baby steps with until they can do that. You might -- silly as it sounds, but sex is often silly -- devise hand signals, or think of some other creative, clear approach to communicate with. You might also make a deal that you take turns initiating sex, so that one person isn't the only one in the driver's seat. Too, shy people often have a harder time when they feel put on the spot, so talking about and negotiating sex more outside of the bedroom, in advance, can be very helpful.

If they're not yet able or ready to communicate about sex in any way, then tell them – kindly and with care, not as an ultimatum -- that you’d prefer to wait for sex with them until they are more comfortable. With shy people, they often just need more time to feel safe being open. And with young women, given the world we live in and the way many are raised in terms of sex, it can take longer to get to a point where we do feel able to clearly communicate, to initiate sex, to voice our desires. If you’ve a female partner who isn’t there yet, then wait until she is, or choose partners more on your same level.

But prone, stiff or vacant during sex isn't usually about shy: it’s usually about feeling very scared, not feeling at all ready, not knowing how to say no or feeling like your no matters. Someone saying nothing, or really just laying there (and without some form of disability that limits their voice or mobility) isn't usually being shy: they are, for whatever reason, finding it difficult or impossible to voice nonconsent.

When someone wants to, really wants to, have sex with us, we'll know because that person will be taking a very active role, will be saying -- if not yelling! -- "Yes!" or "Please!” or "Do me NOW!" We may know because that person is the one initiating sex, at least as often as we are. (If you’re going to say that younger women just aren’t like that yet, know that isn’t always true. Some are, but those who aren’t likely aren’t because things are either moving too fast, or they really just aren’t ready for or that interested in sex with you yet.) We'll know because it will feel like something we are absolutely doing together, that couldn't happen if the other person wasn't just as engaged as we are (imagine trying to dance with someone else when they’re just standing there or not really paying attention: same goes with sex). We'll know because our partners will absolutely not "just be lying there."

We can easily be sure never to rape someone by making a choice to ONLY have sex with someone else when we are certain we have not only their full consent, but their full interest and attention, and they ours; when they’re clearly as enthusiastic about sex as we are, and we’re just as excited about their enjoyment as we are our own. If we're having sex with a partner and they start to space or zone out, or stop participating physically or verbally, if we stop what we’re doing and say, "Hey, you still into this? It's okay if you're not, we can do something else or just go snuggle," and mean it – rather than saying it to imply they need to get into it, or else -- we can be sure not to rape. If we are interested in sex with someone who seems they will allow us to have sex with them, but who is not taking equal part or deeply desiring and mutually initiating sex with us, we can and should step back and wait for them to take a lead.

Men can also pay attention to what has been found to be factors which create a risk of them raping. The Centers for Disease Control lists the following factors:

Individual Factors: Alcohol and drug use, coercive sexual fantasies, impulsive and antisocial tendencies, preference for impersonal sex, hostility towards women (or, in male-male rape to other men or homophobia), hypermasculinity, childhood history of sexual and physical abuse, witnessed family violence as a child

Relationship Factors: Association with sexually aggressive and delinquent peers, family environment characterized by physical violence and few resources, strong patriarchal relationship or familial environment, emotionally unsupportive familial environment

Community Factors: Lack of employment opportunities, lack of institutional support from police and judicial system, general tolerance of sexual assault within the community, settings that support sexual violence, weak community sanctions against sexual violence perpetrators

Societal Factors: Poverty, societal norms that support sexual violence, societal norms that support male superiority and sexual entitlement, societal norms that maintain women's inferiority and sexual submissiveness, weak laws and policies related to gender equity, high tolerance levels of crime and other forms of violence

Obviously, men can't control some of those factors. But awareness of all of these factors, including the ones no one really can control, is helpful in and of itself. Mitigating the factors -- for yourself, or helping male friends and family to mitigate them -- men CAN control, like how YOU think about and treat masculinity, how you view women, if you drink or drug it up excessively, and what kind of headspace you’re in with sex, can make a very big difference. Too, let's not forget that even when it comes to society and culture, it's made up of people, and every single one of us has the power to do things differently than the generations before us did. When enough of us do them, we have the power to change culture so that we and our next generations don't have the same negative influences.

We can all prevent rape by doing all we can to be sure that the interpersonal sexual dynamics we take part in never make our partners feel like they owe us sex out of obligation, or must have sex with us in order to keep us around, keep us treating them well, or keep us from becoming angry. If our partner says no to something sexual we want, the only right response is “Okay.” We can all prevent rape by remembering that when we want to engage in any kind of sex where we only really want to think of ourselves, that kind of sex should be masturbation, the kind where we are the only people involved and sex IS be completely about us and not about anyone else.

We can also easily prevent rape by truly being communicative during sex. I know that lots of us have been raised to think -- and the media often supports that message -- that somehow, talking during sex isn't sexy, or that there shouldn't be any talking in sex. However, those are very dangerous messages, and they're messages that not only do a lot of people real harm, even for people in fully consenting sexual relationships, not talking about sex or during sex can really limit how good the sex both people are having even is, emotionally and physically. Be clear in communicating with your partners about sex, and seek out clear communication from them: clear communication and responsiveness to that means that rape is unlikely and better sex is more likely: it’s a win-win. That doesn’t mean you have to get verbal permission for every single second of every single sex act: just that you pay attention to your partner, check in with them now and then – especially with something new, or when they’re a new partner – and be sure you’re both talking and listening to each other about the sex you’re having.
http://www.scarleteen.com/how_can_men_know_if_someone_is_giving_consent_or_not_0
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 12:01 pm
Firefly if you wish to protected drunken women from themselves I would suggest the first step would be raising the public drinking age to 35 just for females would prove highly helpful.

Sharply limiting even then the public places they could drink at in fact do not allow single males into the same places and made the barkeeper/servers do a continues check on their total alcohol consummation.

Yes, all it would take to protect women from their own poor judgments is to reduce their freedoms to the level of a twelve-year-old child.

Seem well worth doing to stop alcohol fuel date rapes and invalid consent to sexual intercourses problem.


BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 12:15 pm
@firefly,
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That same man is expected to know his own legal limits and state of intoxication before he gets in a car--without going to "24 hour testing stations", so the point you you are raising is absurd.


So what blood alcohol level Flyfire would the standard for sexual intercourse consent be? Below .08 percent perhaps?

With a nice firm number we could sell men alcohol breath testing machines with video and sound recordings build in so he could prove in court that she did give consent to sexual intercourse and at the time she did so her blood level was such that her consent was valid.

As long as we can agree on a standard way of protecting men in this brave new world of invalid sexual consent due to women drinking I am all for it.

firefly
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 12:18 pm
@BillRM,
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Firefly if you wish to protected drunken women from themselves


No, BillRM, the law chooses to protect drunken women, and all women, from being raped with impunity. Women aren't being protected from themselves, the law exists to protect them from rape. The law can protect any class of victims it chooses to protect.

The man who chooses to have sex with an intoxicated woman is either displaying incredibly poor judgment, or he is flagrantly disregarding the law. Either way, the woman is not responsible for the rape.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 12:23 pm
@firefly,
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If a man knew that his penis would fall off if he had sex with an intoxicated woman, don't you think men would quickly figure out how to know when or whether a woman was intoxicated?


Placing a man and his penis in jail for twenty years if he made an error and fail to protect a woman from her own actions would indeed get the same results.

So once more we need a hard standard of blood alcohol levels and a machine that cost a few hundred dollars that allow the man to prove that the woman gave a consent and a valid consent to sexual intercourse.

Going to be an interesting new world you wish us to live in and at a guess it going to prove more annoying to the women then the men.


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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 12:25 pm
@BillRM,
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As long as we can agree on a standard way of protecting men in this brave new world of invalid sexual consent due to women drinking I am all for it.


How about this standard I suggested before...

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If a man knew that his penis would fall off if he had sex with an intoxicated woman, don't you think men would quickly figure out how to know when or whether a woman was intoxicated?


If men knew there would be an immediate consequence to their penis, if they had sex with an intoxicated woman, I am sure they would suddenly learn how to tell when a woman was intoxicated.

Or even whether he'd hand her the keys to his car, and consider her legally sober enough to drive it, if he knew that he'd also be arrested for DWI if she got into an accident or was pulled over . If he wouldn't hand her his car keys, he shouldn't have sex with her either.

Or read the article I posted above about consent. It really offers sensible guidelines.

The best protection for the man is NOT TO HAVE SEX WITH HER if she appears at all intoxicated. His best defense is self control.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 12:26 pm
@firefly,
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The man who chooses to have sex with an intoxicated woman is either displaying incredibly poor judgment, or he is flagrantly disregarding the law. Either way, the woman is not responsible for the rape.


Did you not already tell me that this does not work in reverse and if a woman had sex with a drunk man there is no crime?
Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 12:28 pm
@firefly,
Bill seem incapable of understanding this whole thing. He actually believes that a machine will be the answer to whether a woman gave consent and under what conditions.

Given this rather insane line of thinking.. If a woman refuses consent but did not blow over whatever number Billy chooses to use then he can have sex with her. If she blows over the limit, then all bets are off.

There have been pages and pages regarding the use of alcohol. Billy is the only one concerned with this. Billy is the only one who claims to have had sex with his wife numerous times when he/she or both have been drinking. Is this why he is so paranoid?
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 12:43 pm
@firefly,
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How about this standard I suggested before...


Not we need hard numbers and a machine that can prove it 110 percent in court.

Nothing else will do as even with a DUI you have a train officer and a video recording of roadside tests and a seal and calibrated blood level testing machine.

If you wish to allow any woman to level a charge of rape because of what her blood level might had been hours after granting consent you are going to need to set up hard standards and some means will be needed for the man to prove that her blood level was not too high for consent.

A nice new business is born in building and designing such testers.

I can see the adv now on TV if the results of our tester in challenge in court we will stand behind it to the tune of a million dollars in legal costs or some such.

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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 12:44 pm
@BillRM,
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Did you not already tell me that this does not work in reverse and if a woman had sex with a drunk man there is no crime?


He can go to the police and report that he was forced to have intercourse without his legal consent. The law protects him from unwanted sexual contact.

But, he'd have to prove that sex actually took place. And he'd have to go to an ER to be examined and have blood drawn to prove he was drunk.

She would probably say either that no sexual contact took place, or it was consenual--just like men always say.

I thought you didn't like these he said/she said situations with no other evidence.Rolling Eyes He can't even prove intercourse took place.

firefly
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 12:48 pm
@Intrepid,
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Bill seem incapable of understanding this whole thing. He actually believes that a machine will be the answer to whether a woman gave consent and under what conditions.


He is incapable of understanding it, and I've wasted enough time explaining it.

First he was ignorant about Florida law, and now he is just spouting nonsense.

People are responsible for knowing, understanding, and obeying all laws, including rape laws and other sexual offense laws.

If BillRM is unable to do that, he shouldn't be having sexual contact with women, any women.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 12:49 pm
@firefly,
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He can't even prove intercourse took place.


Sorry dear due to the wonderful world of DNA the remains of her dry fluids on his penis will do just fine for proving sexual intercourse with her.

Is not the world of science great!
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 12:50 pm
@firefly,
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If BillRM is unable to do that, he shouldn't be having sexual contact with women, any women.


Ok I will cut my wife off at once.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 12:52 pm
@firefly,
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The best protection for the man is NOT TO HAVE SEX WITH HER if she appears at all intoxicated. His best defense is self control.


I can just see all the unhappy women cursing your name if they can not go out and have a few drinks and have sex afterward.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 12:53 pm
@BillRM,
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Sorry dear due to the wonderful world of DNA the remains of her dry fluids on his penis will do just fine for proving sexual intercourse with her.


She'll say it was consenual, and that he got drunk after he left her.Laughing
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 12:57 pm
@firefly,
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She'll say it was consenual, and that he got drunk after he left her


Do not matter as we will still put her on trial and at he very best she will be spending her life saving defending herself unless she is willing to do a Knobe and buy off the charge.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 01:01 pm
@firefly,
Hmn the West Pointer had a woman jump into his bed and go after him it did not protect him from a rape charge!

Yes I know I am not allowed to bring the poor man up for some reason.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 01:02 pm
@firefly,
That last article you posted is wonderful. I think that takes the question out of it for all of us, well, except for Bill and Hawkeye I am sure. Thank you for posting it.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 6 Aug, 2010 01:25 pm
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Who are rapists, and where did rape even come from?

The vast majority of rapists are and have always been male. That does not mean that most men are rapists. While many women will be raped, the majority will not be, and the majority of men are not rapists.

That also does not mean that ONLY men can rape, and that women cannot or do not ever rape. Just because it is far more rare does not mean that women should not be doing everything in our power to be sure to obtain full consent from our sexual partners, and to only be having any kind of sex with partners who want to be having sex with us. Now and then, we have had female users even at Scarleteen who presume that men or boys are always ready for sex, and do or should always say yes to sex, which is a dangerous and false presumption. All this isn’t directed at you guys because it’s all somehow okay if and when women rape or enable rape: it’s not. This article is directed at men both because rapists will nearly always be male, and because the help we need most right now with rape prevention is help from men.

A lot of people have inaccurate ideas of what rapists look like, act like or who they are, and think that there is just no way any of their friends, boyfriends or other men in their lives could rape.

Last year, on YouTube, a video surfaced -- distributed by the rapists -- of a group of boys who filmed, and later sold copies of that film, a gang rape. As someone assaulted by a group of young men when I was young, it was incredibly painful and triggering for me to watch. Seeing it caused me such upset, I had to just let myself be an emotional wreck for the rest of the day, and accept that I was going to feel delicate and on edge for the rest of the week. When you survive a rape, it's not something you want to think about or relive every day, and if you've done some healing, you (hopefully) don't usually have those images in your head every waking minute of your day. Enough time has passed since that assault for me, and I've done enough work in healing, that it's rare enough for me to envision what I can recall from my assault. But those images of a group of fresh-faced, smiling, laughing guys -- smiling and laughing while they knowingly tormented a developmentally disabled young woman -- brought it all back. For some, what those young men looked like may have been a surprise, or it may have seemed an anomaly to see rapists that looked like any other bunch of guy friends having fun together.(The eight teens were charged and pled guilty, but none served any jail time: instead six of them were only given counseling – a service not likely provided by the government for their victim – and community service work.)

But rapists usually look, act, smell, dress, talk and seem like anyone else. While rapists are often acting out of a desire to punish, humiliate, dominate, overpower and/or control, and while the person they are raping is in turmoil in some way, they are generally still having a good time themselves, even when – and sometimes because -- they know the person they are raping is not. While we know that for the person being raped rape isn't about sex, and while we know that for the rapist, it isn't only about sex, to at least some degree, a rapist is having sex on his part, and is expressing his sexuality in some way while raping. Plenty of rapists also do not see themselves as rapists, even those who rape in such a way that is within a definition of rape which pretty much everyone can agree on and see clearly as rape. Part of why it's so difficult for anyone to protect themselves from rape is that we can rarely see a rapist coming with any sort of signs, and can’t tell who we should "expect" to be raped by. Most rapists are liked by those they aren't raping, and who other men will vouch for. Most people can't tell who a rapist is until they are being raped, and more often that not, that person is someone the victim would least expect to be attacked by.

Rapists are most often known to the people they rape. Statistics from a wide variety of sources show that for the majority of rapes, most victims, be they male or female, know their rapists: they are friends, boyfriends, husbands, neighbors, teachers, even family. One of the most quoted and credible studies on rape -- Tjaden and Thoennes, Extent, nature, and consequences of rape victimization: findings from the national violence against women survey. Washington: National Institute of Justice; 2006 -- showed that in 8 out of every 10 rape cases, the victim knows their rapist, and that it is far more common for women than for men to be raped by an intimate partner or date -- around 64% of women are raped by a partner or date compared to around 16% of male rape victims.

The 2005 National Crime Victimization Survey found that 73% of rape victims knew their rapist.

Approximately 38% of victims are raped by a friend or acquaintance;
28% of victims by an intimate partner;
26% of victims by a stranger;
7% of victims by another relative;
and in 2% of cases the relationship is unknown.
When it comes to rape, we – especially women -- can't always count on the people we trust not to rape, even people we're told to trust most, which is obviously something awful to live with. Someone who rapes may very well tell the person they rape that they love them, may have been their friend for years, may be someone who other male friends vouch for, and may even be related to the person they rape. This is also another way that making rape all about danger from strangers not only doesn’t help keep people from being victimized by rape, and keeps the more common forms of rape so invisible, but can do many people real harm. Even though it may be a terrible truth to face, we’re all safer being aware of it than we are trying to deny it.

What else do we know about rapists? According to the 1997 Sex Offenses and Offenders study, just more than half of rapists are white, and close to one-quarter of rapists are married. Most rape their victims in the victims’ own home, or in the home of a friend, neighbor or relative. Only around one out of every ten rapes happens away from home and outside. Only around 6% of rapes involve the use of a weapon: most rapists rape via the physical force or their own bodies or by verbal and emotional force and/or coercion. Around one out of every three rapists is intoxicated when he rapes. Overall, rapists rape younger people more often than they do older people: in the United States alone, around 44% of victims are under the age of 18, 15% are under the age of 12 and 80% are under the age of 30 (Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, February 1997).

Rapists tend to believe that the people they are raping deserve to be raped, and most rapists are very opportunistic -- in other words, who they rape isn't usually about what someone is wearing, what someone says or where they are at: it is merely about them being available and it seeming to the rapist that he can succeed in raping that person and get away with it. Rape also isn’t usually about a man strongly desiring sex and being unable to get it consensually. In other words, a guy really wants to get laid, but can’t find a willing partner, and so he rapes: most experts on rape agree that rape of all types is primarily motivated by a desire for power and control, not just out of unmet sexual desire. Mind, many men have been raised with ideas from other men that their part in sex is all about masculinity, domination and power-over, about subduing or a partner or making them surrender, which certainly doesn’t help men to develop sexualities or sexual ethics which don’t incorporate some of those qualities, and those kinds of attitudes certainly are part of rape.

Some couples do enjoy and want powerplay in their sex lives: having one partner be dominant and the other submissive. But that doesn't have to mean that someone gets assaulted or raped. Rather, for those -- be that you or anyone else -- it means that powerplay in partnered sex takes place only when the all parties informedly consent, when all also WANT or invites that sort of role play, and when it is clearly negotiated and acknowledged AS role play within limits, not some sort of essential given. Communication when it comes to BDSM sex (even if you’re not calling it that), including firm agreement on what means stop, is as important as with any other kind of sex. So if you and your partner aren’t ace communicators and both great with establishing and upholding boundaries, sex and/or sexual roleplay with domination and submission isn’t going to be safe for one or both of you.

Rapists are often classified into different profiles based on different models of classification.

The simplest typology is the Groth typology, which currently divides rapists into three primary types:
The anger rapist -- uses rape to degrade or humiliate women; expresses much profanity; attacks often prompted by some marital conflict, occupational or financial problem
The power rapist -- uses rape to express sexual conquest, establish masculine identity, and likely to kidnap victim for repeated assaults over an extended period of time
The sadistic rapist -- uses torture or bondage to experience sexual arousal over victim's suffering; frequently targets prostitutes, women who have had many sexual partners or who actively express their sexuality (or are perceived as doing such, even if they really aren't), or those who symbolize something he wants to destroy or punish

The first two types are most common, some rapists will bridge types, and all of these elements are often part of rape and the motivation to rape. In plenty of ways, all of these are also parts of how people enable rape. For instance, when we hear anyone -- be they a rapist or not -- express that a rape victim "deserved it," for any reason, they're reading from a rapist’s script, because in most rapist’s minds, all women or girls (or men or boys, for those who rape those groups) deserve it. When we hear people express that male sexual dominance – be it over women and girls or over boys – is a given, or that rape and dismissing real consent is a “boys will be boys” activity, they’re enabling the same sorts of ethos that those who rape usually share. Men who trash-talk women as a group and who treat or think of women as sexual objects – or who mutely agree with other men who do, even if they disagree – are enabling behavior and ideas which make rape more prevalent.

We also know that less than 40% of rapes are reported to the police, which is unsurprising given how much victim-blaming goes on in society, how poorly rape victims are often treated within the justice system, and how many messages raped people are sent that tell them their rapes aren’t really rape, and that it isn’t right for victims to speak up. The rapists in those rapes, where a report wasn't made, will not have to serve any time or suffer any sort of consequence for raping. For only those rapes which are reported, only about 50% result in arrests, only 80% of those arrests result in conviction, and less than 17% of reported rapists convicted of rape will ever even do time in prison. When it comes to rape, the victims nearly always do far more “time” than the perpetrators.

Where did rape even come from?

If you’re wondering how rape all started and where it came from, the answer is that we can’t really pinpoint it to one area, or find that it started at a given time. The few experts who have delved into and written about the history of rapists, do generally purport that from what they know rape isn’t some sort of a universal given or something which we have sound reason to believe has been going on since the start of human life. Professor Joanna Bourke, author of Rape: A History from 1860 to the Present, says that she’s found no basis that there is anything “natural” or inevitable about male sexual violence, and that it tends to most often occur with men in specific settings or cultural power systems; who feel required to enact rape as a kind of social performance, as proof of masculinity to their victims, other men or themselves. In other words, when you hear someone express something like, “Oh, that’s just how men ARE,” about rape and sexual violence, from what we know, they’re wrong. It’s not how men are: it’s how some men choose to be.

As an example of one of the most common settings for stranger rape that’s about cultural power systems, we know that rape has been popularized and made more acceptable during wartimes among soldiers – groups of men both under (in terms of their higher-ranked superiors) and enacting (in terms of the people in countries they were based in) a system of power, violence and masculine hierarchy. Nearly a hundred thousand women were raped during the Nanking Massacre. Hundreds of thousands of women -- called, horribly, "comfort" women, since they were seen as responsible for providing "comfort" for soldiers -- were forced into prostitution during World War II, and millions of women were forcibly raped as that war ended.

During the Holocaust, while it’s thought that rape occurred to Jewish women less often than it does to women during other wartimes, that was only because of racism: Jews were seen as subhuman by Nazis and while rape was by no means considered a crime, racial mixing, or rassenschande, was. Nonetheless, women were still frequently raped in the ghettos and camps, and in some concentration camps, brothels and “escort services” were set up for the soldiers which women were forced into, or bribed into with promises of food. Some women in the camps were also “experimented” upon by Nazi doctors. Dr. Hermann Stieve, as a particularly heinous example, would have guards rape the women, then brought to the gas chambers to be killed. Their bodies would then be brought back for autopsies: Stieve reported he wanted to see if their reproductive systems could handle stress (rape being the stressor), and later published reports based on those studies without hesitation or apology.

During the Bosnian War, tens of thousands of women and girls were raped: during an organized Serbian program of cultural genocide, one goal was to make raped women pregnant, and to raise their children as Serbs. A U.N. report estimated that during the relatively recent civil war in Rwanda, as many as 500,000 women and girls suffered brutal forms of sexual violence, including gang-rape and sexual mutilation, after which many of them were killed. Gang rape is common during times of war, and in some cases, gang rapes during wartime have involved as many (or more, for all we know) as 80 men raping one single woman. None of these scenarios are anomalies: rape as an agent of war or occupation has nearly always not only been prevalent, but a given.

Looking at rape during wartime, we can see very clear examples of what real male strength is and is not. While those soldiers who have raped women during war were often told they were proving their masculinity, solidarity and strength, all they were doing was falling in line with some other’s man’s orders to do someone else harm – and most often, they absolutely had a choice in that -- or with a system of masculinity that defined strength as dominance over women and obedience to other men. It takes a lot more strength to challenge a status quo, or to refuse to follow the orders of some other man or system by refusing to rape or to enable rape than it does to rape, which is a show of profound weakness, not of being strong.

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Too, for most of history -- and in plenty of places and people's minds still -- rape was only or primarily considered a crime not against those BEING raped, but against those to whom a rape victim was considered to belong to. In other words, rape was, and often still is, seen as a crime against property, women being that property. In plenty of ancient societies, we know that bride capture was a standard practice: to obtain a wife, a man would kidnap her, rape her, and then marry her. Not only was this practice socially acceptable, in plenty of cultures, it was viewed as an act of great heroism and machismo. Bride capture made the woman her husband’s property directly through rape.

Rape as a crime in areas where it was/is viewed as a crime against property was or is seen as victimizing that woman's husband or father, the person who "owned" that woman, because the rapist would be taking something not that rightfully belonged to a woman or child, but as belonging to the person who owned them. Appallingly, in some ancient laws, rapists were "punished" by being required to marry the woman they raped: what was supposed to punish them resulted in a woman being pawned off unto her rapist, giving him the legal right to rape her every day if he pleased, and that was considered okay so long as she was his property. Rape law as we know it today, based on rape being a crime against the actual victim -- even though many remain flawed -- didn't really exist until feminist movements took action and helped usher them into being or reform them in the late 1960’s, when women also started organizing rape crisis centers and domestic violence centers, as well as identifying things like rape trauma syndrome. In the United States, the first law against marital rape – where a husband rapes his wife, which was not seen as a crime for so long because wives were considered their husband’s property -- wasn’t even imposed until 1976.
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