Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@firefly,

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she could be raped by an acquaintance, a relative, a date, and even by her husband, and the situation might not involve physical force, but a rape had occurred because the sex act was against her will

Pressure on a woman is fine to have sex if it is not force or the threat of force.

Otherwise you get into the riddle area of charging some guy for attempted rape or rape for deciding that he does not wish to keep a no sex relationship going and informing the woman of that fact.

I just can see the police breaking down some guy door and charging him with attempted rape because he dare to tell the woman that after ten dates and no sex he was no longer interest in dating her>

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@BillRM,

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Force hell no pressure it is surely.

actually I can get around calling it force, but I recognize that intimate relationships are both combative and cooperative so I don't see force with-in reasonable bounds as a problem. Feminists however are on a mission to rid intimate relationship of all force, which will not happen and aggressive attempts to reach this goal are cruel. Coercive sexual acquisition techniques are part of humanity, they are also a part of nature, feminists would do well to get off of their fairy-tales and onto real life.

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Sexual coercion is a significant problem in college dating relationships. Shook, Gerrity, Jurich, and Segrist (2000) found that in a college sample, 82% reported using verbally coercive and 21% reported using physically coercive behaviors against a dating partner in the last year. Other research has found similarly high rates of sexual coercion (e.g., Jenkins & Aube, 2002; Koss & Oros, 1982; Russell & Oswald, 2001, 2002). Though much of the initial research focused on men as aggressors and women as victims, and statistics indicate that this situation is a major social problem, recently researchers have begun to acknowledge that women are also coercive in their intimate relationships (e.g., Anderson & Struckman-Johnson, 1998; Archer, 2000). This growing body of research suggests that both men and women report engaging in a wide range of coercive tactics to obtain sex within the context of a dating relationship. The goal of this study is to examine participants' perceptions of the actors and their behaviors when they are sexually coercive on a date.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2372/is_1_43/ai_n16102477/

Firefly pissing and moaning about this does not impress me....if this is such a huge problem to her then she should go find another species to be part of, one that does not practice sexual coercion. It will be a long search.

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@BillRM,

I clicked on the wrong name. THIS IS MEANT FOR HAWKEYE! You are just as disgusting as Bill is. When a woman says no it means NO! You need to grow up and get over the fact that women say no and mean it.

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@Arella Mae,

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When a woman says no it means NO!

yes, and both men and women understand that there are likely going to be a lot of no's before we get to a yes....it is an ongoing negotiation. Feminists are trying to make it the law that when one person gets a no then they must stop trying to get a yes, which is bullshit. Neither men nor women are going to live that way, it is feminist's expectation that is going to have to change here because humans are not going to magically transform into some new form. Our sexual practices are coded by evolution, they can not be so extensively overridden with morals and laws as the feminists are trying to do.

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@hawkeye10,

I really feel sorry for you. All you see is women tell you no and you think it's okay for you to try to conjole, convince, put them under duress, etc., etc., just so you can have your fleshly way with them. I am sorry you cannot see how despicable this is. I am not talking about marriages here. Of course there are times a wife says no but her and her husband still make love and there is no problem on either end about it. Most of us on this thread have been talking about unmarried people in different situations.

You have total tunnel vision to the point of being obsessed. Everyone has tried and tried to reason with you and Bill and they have all given up. If I had any sense I would have given up a long time ago but I am one of those that believes there is something good in everyone. In your case, I am not so sure about that anymore.

You have no respect for women and quite honestly, how you can have respect for yourself is totally beyond my comprehension.

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@Arella Mae,

Every woman in the world have a right to say no to having a sexual relationship and every man in the world have the right to end any form of relationship because of her no.

She is not entitle to the benefits of a relationship with a man if he does not wish to continue granting it because of her no.

The woman say no and the man said ok however I am no longer interested in acting as your boyfriend and not having sex so get someone else to drive you to work tomorrow or take you to that play or whatever it might be.

Seem more then fair to me.

Her no is still no and he will not need to wake up an hour early tomorrow to take her to work for example.

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@Arella Mae,

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All you see is women tell you no and you think it's okay for you to try to conjole, convince, put them under duress,

men do this more for sex than do women, but women do it just as much as men do. For instance who here is not familiar with the female nag?

This is not about me, nor about men, this is about who we are as humans. I prefer to take as my starting point who we are, not what we are told that we are or should be. AS I recall you are grounded in the Bible, so you tend to go the other way, which is why I think that you find my position of truth so repellent.

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@Arella Mae,

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for you to try to conjole, convince, put them under duress, etc., etc.,

Sure it is ok to conjole, convince put under duress as long as there is not force or threat of force in that duress

That is part of any human relationship and in my 62 years I had not met one woman that had a problem with conjoling me, convincing me or placing me under duress.

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@BillRM,

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Sure it is ok to conjole, convince put under duress as long as there is not force or threat of force in that duress

IF you spend much time on the relationship threads Bill you will have noticed that women are told by other women to give ultimatums to their men, "do what I want or I am leaving". No doubt theses same women have some handy dandy rationalization for how this is not attempting to use force.

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@Arella Mae,

du·ress (d-rs, dy-)
n.
1. Constraint by threat; coercion

Seems that Billy boy and Hawkeye don't know much about women, eh? If you have to obtain sex by duress, that says a lot about your "skills." Most women would agree that when she is not in the mood, a very smart man will know what buttons to push to get her in the mood in less than 30 seconds. If she still doesn't wanna have sex with you, that is her right. And Bill? Women don't need to play the little game of "give me sex .... or else." Or else what? You won't take her to work? Good gawd. "I've had 10 dates with you and still no sex? Be on your way, woman!!" What a lucky woman she would be to have your dump her. Women love sex as much as men. They just like doing it with "men."

Tsk - tsk - tsk. Run along little boys!

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@JustBrooke,

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I've had 10 dates with you and still no sex?

10!!?? OK, I have been taken for a long time so maybe I am out of touch with current market values, but no way am I waiting 10 dates. 3, tops. A woman who is going to play that hard to catch is nothing but trouble.

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@JustBrooke,

You go girl!

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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I've had 10 dates with you and still no sex?

10!!?? OK, I have been taken for a long time so maybe I am out of touch with current market values, but no way am I waiting 10 dates. 3, tops. A woman who is going to play that hard to catch is nothing but trouble.

You do nothing but continually show how little integrity and character you have. No wonder women tell you NO AND MEAN IT!

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@Arella Mae,

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You go girl!

Maybe it escaped your notice that Brooke is agreeing with me? That women and well as men like the pursuit and capture game. Nobody is denying that women have the right to refuse to be caught, my gripe is that the feminists dont like the game and do want to outlaw it. Feminists are willing to go gender neutral and outlaw women pursing as well as men, that is supposed to make everything ok. Not.

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@Arella Mae,

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No wonder women tell you NO AND MEAN IT!

I was not aware that I had trouble getting women. I am in a open marriage of sorts, and I was under the impression that I do pretty good for myself. Where do you get your information?

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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You go girl!
Maybe it escaped your notice that Brooke is agreeing with me? That women and well as men like the pursuit and capture game. Nobody is denying that women have the right to refuse to be caught, my gripe is that the feminists dont like the game and do want to outlaw it. Feminists are willing to go gender neutral and outlaw women pursing as well as men, that is supposed to make everything ok. Not.

Perhaps you should read what she posted again. She is mocking you and not agreeing with you.

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@hawkeye10,

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hawkeye10 wrote:

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No wonder women tell you NO AND MEAN IT!
I was not aware that I had trouble getting women. I am in a open marriage of sorts, and I was under the impression that I do pretty good for myself. Where do you get your information?

Open marriage of sorts? More disgusting behavior as far as I am concerned. My condolences to your wife.

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@Arella Mae,

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She is mocking you and not agreeing with you.

that is only true if the part about men pushing her buttons trying to get her in the mood being Ok was sarcasm.I did not get the impression that it was.

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@Arella Mae,

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Open marriage of sorts? More disgusting behavior as far as I am concerned. My condolences to your wife.

I am pretty sure that most feminists would think the very same thing about the choices you have made..IE staying with your husband, so maybe you should refrain from throwing rocks.

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@BillRM,

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Every woman in the world have a right to say no to having a sexual relationship and every man in the world have the right to end any form of relationship because of her no.

I can't believe it. You actually made a statement I agree with.

But then you went on to say this..

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Sure it is ok to conjole, convince put under duress as long as there is not force or threat of force in that duress

Noun: duress d(y)û'res
1.Compulsory force or threat

"confessed under duress"
Derived forms: duresses
Type of: force

Duress is force. Force is not all right. If she says, "No", accept it.

And we are discussing rape.

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