Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

When I married my husband and took my vows, fidelity was part of it. I took those vows very seriously, as did my husband. That is what marriage is about. It's a shame you don't understand that. Why would I want a man that wants to sleep with other women? I have more integrity than that and so does my husband. Seems you don't care if your wife sleeps around and she doesn't care if you do either. It's disgusting.

Amen

No actually I don't it's disgusting. It's not my lifestyle but so what. when it comes to sexual ethics/preferences (legal ones) of consenting adults there is no "normal"

There may not be a normal to you but there is to me and the thought of my husband or any husband sleeping around on his wife or his wife sleeping around on him is disgusting to ME.

that's fair enough for you but not at all fair or rational or reasonable to place that judgment on others who do not share your beliefs.

I am not going to argue with you dyslexia. I find open marriages disgusting.

that is groovy, the problem comes when you decide that it is wrong and tell the person doing it that it is wrong. You will find a consistent theme in my posts in this thread as well as all the others, one that illuminates part of the reason for my hostility toward sex law and the feminists, and that is "you live your life and I'll live mine....if I want your help I will ask for it".

I said I find it disugsting. I have rights just as you do. I am perfectly within my legal and moral rights to say how I feel about something just as you are. I don't have to like what you say and you don't have to like what I say.

I think that there is a huge difference between criticizing policies, beliefs, movements in general and criticizing individual people personally for what they do. I generally criticize individuals here only for being apparently close minded, or for offensive behavior towards me or towards the a2k community. I think that the moment you act like you know what another person should do better than they do you become morally objectionable. You are skirting that line right now, the feminists went over it a long while back.

Look, PERSONALLY I FIND OPEN MARRIAGES DISGUSTING. Whether it be your open marriage or anyone else's. If you don't like that it's too bad. I also happen to find yogurt disgusting, burping in public disgusting, etc. I suppose if you do any of those things I am personally attacking you also?

And was it you or your friend Bill that tried to imply firefly was gay? Oh and was it you or Bill that said I hate men? Go look up the word
H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E!

Freedom of speech is okay I guess as long as it's YOUR freedom to control mine. I am sick of this Hawkeye. You are not a reasonable person to discuss this with. I and others have tried.

I encourage people to say what is on their minds, because it is helpful for people to be honest with each other and to communicate with each other. I dont want to tamp that down, which is a great deal of why I am so critical of the PC movement. What I find objectionable is people who feel superior enough, god like enough, to think that they have the right to go into other people's lives and try to run them. And I am not perfect at avoiding this myself, though I think I do this more with implied tone than literally telling people that I know better about their life than they do.

But when I look at how the feminists operate about the only thing that I can smell is their stink of superiority. It is overwhelming, and it is grossly offensive.

That is all well and good hawkeye but where have I done that to you? I haven't! I don't bring up my Christianity, YOU DO! You assume because I find something disgusting that means I feel superior. Not so. I am not superior to anyone. You are obsessed with feminists and think one is behind every corner judging from your posts. So, let's say we just end this okay. I disagree with your stance and you disagree with mine. So be it.

Let's both go our merry ways and just agree to disagree.

Why should your feelings carry any weight outside your own relationship?

We both did in relationship as to why she does not care about the welfare of men as well as women.

Now since when is being gay or not an insult?

Same goes for you. We disagree. I agree to disagree. Oh, and as for your next post, nah, I ain't taking your bait.

When I was dating I was not in game playing at all after my middle 20s.

If a lady begin to try to used sexual intercourse between us as a control tool I would pull the plug on the relationship.

That does not mean that once in the blue moon she was not in the mood that would be fine with me as long as it did not become a habit. If it did become a habit I would warn her in the same manner as it she was doing anything else that was a deal breaker in the relationship and if it kept up or got worst I would pull the plug.

Now whatever you might think of doing so or not doing so no man need to keep a relationship with a woman who is playing games with her power to just say no.

Any man have the right to place the pressure of not having a relationship with him to the issue of sexual consent.

Ten was just a number pull out of thin air and the real number depended on how hot she happen to had been and how must I like her for other reasons, and on my judgment of my future chances.

Sorry but the word duress in the content used by me clearly have zero tie in to the used of physical force so you are once more bringing out the old dishonest straw man.

My wife have great talents for placing me under great duress when she wish to do so, to the point I often had told her that she is frightening me however so far at least she had not physical assaulted me.

Two of duress moments that I remember clearly were you will not wait any longer to get the airline tickets for out wedding in Las Vegas. It did end up that we paid more by buying when we did but I could not take the duress. The second time was you will sign the tax form now as I had given you already plenty of time to look them over. Others times are none of your business however none involved any force other then the force of her personality on me.

Why in any case, do you not try stopping the game playing and get on with the subject a hand?

Noun: coercion kow'ur-zhun or kow'ur-shun
1.The act of compelling by force of authority

2.Using force to cause something to occur
"they didn't have to use coercion";
- compulsion

Is that the only way you can get any?

Coercive sexual acquisition techniques? This sounds more like a battle strategy, or an extortion plan, rather than anything approaching a normal, healthy reciprocal adult sexual interaction.

Seriously, I'm not a bit surprised you need to use "coercive sexual acquisition techniques" because your attitudes and feelings about women, and sexual relationships, are hardly likely to make women freely want to share their bodies with you. And to say these methods are a "part of humanity" isn't saying much. Murder, torture, cannibalism, and necrophilia are all a part of humanity too, although far from mankind's better attributes. If you put yourself in the company of the lower animals, in terms of "the laws of nature", I think you'd find your niche and be right at home.

Do you even read what you post?



It is identified as being a significant problem, Hawkeye. As in it doesn't contribute to having good relationships. And this is what you post to bolster your claims?

College students may be using sexual coercion, but it may actually be a dysfunctional aspect of a relationship. Don't you wonder why these people aren't with someone who actually wants to have sex with them?



And you think this supports what you're saying?

Again, Hawkeye, this isn't described as being something good, or an aspect of a healthy, mutually satisfying sexual relationship, it is described as being "a major social problem" It's also the sort of behavior that fosters date rape. And notice Hawkeye, the women are described as victims. Not partners, but victims. That the women may be using coercive tactics too doesn't make it any better or more acceptable, it simply means women are modeling the problematic aggression patterns of their male peers.

You are not entitled to sex on demand from an unwilling woman, just because you want it, any more than you are entitled to take out your penis and masturbate in a public park, because you want to do that. We're not living in the jungle. Civilized society demands that people inhibit their sexual impulses and urges when those behaviors are in conflict with the needs, desires, and wishes of the people around them, and that includes their sexual partners. When she says, "No" it's because her needs, at that time, are in conflict with yours. How do her needs figure in to your scheme of things? I don't see much evidence that they do. Your focus is on "conquest" and "acquisition". Sex to you is like playing a video game. You've got to win. You've got to get it from her.
You think like a rapist.

Please, don't attribute this garbage to all other men as part of their "evolutionary coding". Don't insult them that way. Most adult men do not think like that or act like that. Most healthy, normal men do not have to use "coercive sexual acquisition techniques" because women want to be with them, and enjoy sex with them. Because they respect the fact that, when she's not in the mood, there will always be another opportunity, and their manhood isn't in the least threatened by waiting until then. And they know how to get her in the mood without using any force at all. You ought to learn from them instead of trying to put them down.

Who know and who care as long a force or the threat of force is not used it is a private matter between the parties.

Surely not the school business or your or mine.