Quote:women are going to have to decide that for themselves.I been telling her such a position is insulting to women.
don't seem to be able to accept that they have decided
But the current rendition of “feminism” will never get us there. The construct is divisive, proactively exclusionary and openly hostile toward women of different ideologies. Achieving gender equality is impossible in a framework where some women are viewed as less equal.
Fortunately, there is another option. A new “pro-women” movement led, initially, by women on the Right. The movement is inclusive, current, and refreshingly focused on supporting women. And why should we care whether it’s Republican or Democratic women (or both) who lead us to gender equality? After all, our historical women leadership is richly diverse in political beliefs and value systems.
Sadly, some current day feminists view this ideological diversity as a death knell. When the f-word departed Sarah Palin’s lips, it was officially an act of war. So shaken was the feminist center of gravity, that historical women were exhumed to be used as weapons
Stop treating sex as an acquisition
From an unconscious or "ultimate" point of view, the "crisis" may have evolutionary roots. Evolution works by furthering genes.
Males have evolved to seek mates, but also to seek multiple sexual conquests. As controversial or unseemly as this may sound: biologically speaking, men are capable of siring multiple children with multiple women, and are therefore driven to seek new and varied partners
and often they are not too concerned with men being abused by themselves or others because they think that men in general have it coming.
You don't seem to be able to accept that they have decided
Quote:don't seem to be able to accept that they have decided
you might be correct
Quote:http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/06/07/why-the-pro-women-movement-should-and-will-replace-feminism/But the current rendition of “feminism” will never get us there. The construct is divisive, proactively exclusionary and openly hostile toward women of different ideologies. Achieving gender equality is impossible in a framework where some women are viewed as less equal.
Fortunately, there is another option. A new “pro-women” movement led, initially, by women on the Right. The movement is inclusive, current, and refreshingly focused on supporting women. And why should we care whether it’s Republican or Democratic women (or both) who lead us to gender equality? After all, our historical women leadership is richly diverse in political beliefs and value systems.
Sadly, some current day feminists view this ideological diversity as a death knell. When the f-word departed Sarah Palin’s lips, it was officially an act of war. So shaken was the feminist center of gravity, that historical women were exhumed to be used as weapons
THe ground does seem to be collapsing under the feet of the feminists, we can only hope that the movement that replaces them is willing to work towards a more sensible sexual regulation program than this nonsense that the feminists have been peddling. I cant see Sarah Palin supporting the kind of man bashing that the feminists have engaged in, so I see reason for hope.
Quote:why would I do that? Successful conquest is one of the best parts of sex. It is the fulfillment of what I was designed to do. Unlike you, I do not deny what I am, dont try to pretty it up.Stop treating sex as an acquisition
Quote:http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200808/advice-men-midlifeFrom an unconscious or "ultimate" point of view, the "crisis" may have evolutionary roots. Evolution works by furthering genes.
Males have evolved to seek mates, but also to seek multiple sexual conquests. As controversial or unseemly as this may sound: biologically speaking, men are capable of siring multiple children with multiple women, and are therefore driven to seek new and varied partners
I am all about the passion, I dont want to follow you into male and female combining to become its, and I plan to enjoy sexual conquest pretty much up to the day I croak. Your way of living would bore the hell out of me. How do you stand it?
Feminism isn't going away anymore than math is, hawkeye.
Old school feminism is dead. And I say, good riddance. What is even more delightful is that old school feminists have hammered the final nail into their own coffin, by exposing themselves for what they truly are and what they truly believe. We can, partially, thank Sarah Palin for that. What we must not do, however, is start another round of identity politics and I’ve seen that creeping up of late. That must not be allowed to continue.
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You see, while “Feminists/Femisogynists” were busily pant suiting themselves and trying to become men, other women were out there annihilating the glass ceiling, by raising their families and learning through actual living and perseverance. We didn’t learn by trying to be something we are not, but rather we learned by living. Most often in our wonderful small towns, none of which, in my experience are bitter.
We don’t rely on a victim mentality; we rely on ourselves and the love of our families. We don’t invent sexism with insane claims that marriage itself is sexist. We have no problem taking our husbands’ names, as we aren’t cuckoo pants and thus, realize that marriage isn’t some nefarious plot, but rather a loving bond. We want to share our name with our children, whom we don’t consider punishments.
Unlike Femisogynists, who invent victimization out of whole cloth, all while ignoring actual misogyny because they want to “tolerate” the “culture.” Instead, not blinded by a victim mentality, we realize there is no need for feminism here. We realize the true need is in Islamic countries where the women are taught from birth to be ashamed of being women. Instead of crying in our diaries at the thought of icky marriage and turning a blind eye because we don’t like George Bush, we actually care about true oppression and subjugation of women
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Right, Jessica. By women’s rights, you of course mean abortion. It is also quite clear that “Feminism” has taught you only how to be a permanent child and a perpetual victim. It’s actually rather sad. I’d feel pity for you and your fellow Femisogynists, if not for the damage you have managed to do to women for so long. But, now, the word and the movement have lost all meaning, thankfully. It, and you, are irrelevant. The Stepford Feminists, walking only in lockstep with the leftist agenda, have gone the way of the dinosaur and it’s about time.
The rest of us have never embraced your victim mentality; we are not victims. We are people, the same way that men are. We are equal, yet different. We, unlike you, realize that is not mutually exclusive. We know that the only institutionalized sexism that exists in America is the cottage industry that the Left has created perpetuating the same. That ends now, if we ensure that we do not allow ourselves to fall prey to a new form of identity politics.
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Quote:why would I do that? Successful conquest is one of the best parts of sex. It is the fulfillment of what I was designed to do. Unlike you, I do not deny what I am, dont try to pretty it up.Stop treating sex as an acquisition
To begin with, we aren't "designed." If we've psychologically modeled sexual relationships as conquests, it isn't because we must, but because we can.
hawkeye10 wrote:
Quote:http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200808/advice-men-midlifeFrom an unconscious or "ultimate" point of view, the "crisis" may have evolutionary roots. Evolution works by furthering genes.
Males have evolved to seek mates, but also to seek multiple sexual conquests. As controversial or unseemly as this may sound: biologically speaking, men are capable of siring multiple children with multiple women, and are therefore driven to seek new and varied partners
I am all about the passion, I dont want to follow you into male and female combining to become its, and I plan to enjoy sexual conquest pretty much up to the day I croak. Your way of living would bore the hell out of me. How do you stand it?
Please hawkeye, be my guest. Go out tonight--Go out now. Have a sexual conquest with someone extra-maritally. Go cheat on your wife. Get some ass. Please do.
Go be yourself. Go be a male; what we are. Go be what I'm denying we are. Please.
Go prove to be what you claim we are. Otherwise, YOU are the one in denial. I call your bluff. If you did, you'd come whimpering to wife with your tail tucked under protecting what's left of your atrophied genitals.
Mother pays the bills, and for all your tough guy macho posturing, this is what it comes down to: You're angry at women. Your domestic rage is misdirected, and your attempt to over-correct with misogynistic.
This isn't how you recollect your pride. You're all kitten and no claws.
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Quote:You don't seem to be able to accept that they have decided
You are 100 percent they decide but there is nothing either illegal or unmoral about placing pressure on a woman to grant consent as long as the pressure is not in the form of force or threat of force.
It might be ungentlemanly or surely is ungentlemanly to give a woman the choice of breaking up with her or not allowing her the used of your car any longer or telling her that she need to find another place to live rent free if she does not grant sexual consent.
Consent does not mean pressure free consent just force and threat of force free consent.
The NYS definition isn't worded such that it demands that the aggressor/rapist is person with the penis.
Quote:The NYS definition isn't worded such that it demands that the aggressor/rapist is person with the penis.
I'm not so sure about that. If you look at what distinguishes rape from the other sexual offenses in NYS, it is the act of penetration of the vagina.
The high incidence of sexual assault within prisons
involves actual and potential violations of the United States
Constitution. In Farmer v. Brennan, 511 U.S. 825 (1994), the
Supreme Court ruled that deliberate indifference to the
substantial risk of sexual assault violates prisoners' rights
under the Cruel and Unusual Punishments Clause of the Eighth
Amendment.
It is with the Court's assertion that the claimed duress or necessity had lost its coercive force that I particularly disagree. The conditions that led to respondents' initial departure from the D.C. jail continue unabated. [....]
A youthful inmate can expect to be subjected to homosexual gang rape his first night in jail, or, it has been said, even in the van on the way to jail. Weaker inmates become the property of stronger prisoners or gangs, who sell the sexual services of the victim. Prison officials either are disinterested in stopping abuse of prisoners by other prisoners or are incapable of doing so, given the limited resources society allocates to the prison system. Prison officials often are merely indifferent to serious health and safety needs of prisoners as well.
In a 1995-1996 study conducted in the 50 States and the District of Columbia, nearly 25% of women and 7.6% of men were raped and/or physically assaulted by a current or former spouse, cohabiting partner, or dating partner/acquaintance at some time in their lifetime (based on survey of 16,000 participants, equally male and female).
Self-report studies provide a very different view of sexual abuse perpetration and substantially increase the number of female perpetrators. In a retrospective study of male victims, 60% reported being abused by females (Johnson and Shrier, 1987). The same rate was found in a sample of college students (Fritz et al., l 981). In other studies of male university and college students, rates of female perpetration were found at levels as high as 72% to 82% (Fromuth and Burkhart, 1987, 1989; Seidner and Calhoun, 1984). Bell et al. (1981) found that 27% of males were abused by females. In some of these types of studies, females represent as much as 50% of sexual abusers (Risin and Koss, 1987). Knopp and Lackey (1987) found that 51% of victims of female sexual abusers were male. It is evident that case report and self-report studies yield very different types of data about prevalence. These extraordinary differences tell us we need to start questioning all of our assumptions about perpetrators and victims of child maltreatment.
In addition, many states define sexual crimes other than male-on-female penetration as sexual assault rather than rape. There are no national standards for defining and reporting male-on-male, female-on-female or female-on-male offenses, so such crimes are generally not included in rape statistics unless these statistics are compiled using information from states which count them as rape.
Successful conquest is one of the best parts of sex. It is the fulfillment of what I was designed to do.
It's a matter of sex being used as a intransitive verb.
WRONG! YOU ARE A DISGUTING PIG! Nothing immoral about placing pressure on her to grant consent? THAT'S FORCE! Verbal force yes but force nonetheless.
PS in your own case, duress can certainly be claimed if your only alternative is to be dumped in the middle of some uninhabited wilderness - it's still duress even if nobody's holding a loaded gun to your head. Any court, anywhere, would agree with this. Sorry to hear about it btw.....
And that is how feminists see the act of rape, and why you rant about them so much, because you realize they are describing your sexual preferences as being rape.
