Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

I am not so sure that this is a winner for feminists, because while in theory women would be fine with this standard because it will never negatively impact them, they also might come to the conclusion that this is where sex law becomes intrusive and unreasonable. I know that given this standard I have raped dozens of times, it is unreasonable to me.

I know that given this standard I have raped dozens of times, it is unreasonable to me

Alcohol and Sexual Assault
Alcohol use by the victim and/or perpetrator is frequently associated with acquaintance rape. Alcohol use significantly increases your vulnerability to sexual assault.

•One study found that 70% of women and 80% of men had been drinking when a sexual assault occurred.
•Men often drink to feel less inhibited, more powerful, aroused, and aggressive. Peer pressure also tends to encourage rowdy and aggressive behavior.
•Alcohol impairs judgment. Men are more likely to assume that a woman who drinks is a willing sex partner; they are more likely to interpret her behavior, dress or body language as evidence she wants to have sex.
•Alcohol lowers inhibitions – it makes it easier to force sex on an unwilling partner and to ignore “No’s”.
•Alcohol impairs the victim’s ability to recognize a potentially dangerous situation. When drinking, one may not notice someone’s persistent attempts to get them to an isolated location or to get them to consume more alcohol. Intoxication also makes it much more difficult to successfully resist a sexual assault – alcohol produces a slow and ineffective response to an attack.
•Legally, an individual cannot consent to sex if they are drunk; having sex without consent is RAPE/sexual assault.
•Individuals who are drunk when they are assaulted often feel responsible for the assault. Our society is more apt to excuse male drinking behavior, but when a woman drinks and is raped, we hold her responsible for everything – including the behavior of her assailant. Please know that the victim is NEVER to blame for an assault, the person who committed the assault is fully responsible.
•The majority of sexual assaults are planned, and assailants take advantage of the fact that alcohol or other drugs increase vulnerability.

Alcohol and Risk Reduction:

• If you choose to drink, know your limits and stick to them. Have one drink with alcohol and the next one without alcohol.•Avoid parties where “getting wasted” is the only reason for going•Go out with friends, and return home with friends. Do not leave friends behind.•Adopt a “sober buddy” system – designate one person who will remain sober and watch out for friends. Do not allow friends to wander off with someone they do not know well. •If someone has passed out, do not leave them alone. Turn them on their side and call 911, do not assume they will “just sleep it off”.•Educate yourself about date rape drugs:
◦do not leave your drink unattended
◦do not accept a drink in an open container
◦do not accept a drink from someone you do not know well
◦avoid taking drinks from a punch bowl / "Jungle Juice"
◦don’t drink anything that has an unusual taste or appearance
http://www.shs.ilstu.edu/sexual_assault/date_rape/alcohol.shtml

What Can Men Do?
Sexual assault is not just a woman’s issue, it impacts both men and women. Men and women are both victims of sexual assault. As a man, it is likely that you will know someone who is a survivor of sexual assault – a friend, family member, girlfriend.

Women often turn to male friends for support and understanding after an assault. Your support and understanding can aid their recovery.

Although most survivors are female, approximately 5% of survivors are male. Men are assaulted by other men, and sometimes by women. It is important that male survivors seek services and talk with someone about what has happened. Free and confidential services are available.

For positive change to occur, it is critical for men to become involved as part of the solution, rather than continuing to be viewed as “the problem". Men become a part of the solution by educating themselves on the issue, confronting negative behaviors of friends, and challenging behaviors and attitudes that may lead to sexual assault.

Male Survivors

When many people think of sexual assault, they think of it as a “women’s problem”. However, men are also victims of sexual assault. Men are assaulted by other men, and sometimes by women. Approximately one out of every five males will be sexually abused as a child, and some estimates show that as many as 16% of males will be sexually assaulted as an adult.
If you are a male survivor, remember that what has happened to you is not your fault. No matter where you were or what you did, or did not do, you are not to blame. You cannot be responsible for the actions of anyone else.

Sometimes when a man is assaulted, he may not want to report it or talk about it because of fears that his “manhood” will be questioned. When a man is raped by another man, he may be reluctant to come forward for fear of being labeled homosexual or gay. This may be an even greater concern in cases in which the victim has an erection or ejaculates. This is a physical response that can happen even if the victim is afraid, unwilling or even unconscious. However, the survivor may fear being perceived as a willing participant, rather than a victim.

Rape Prevention for Nice Guys
Because of the high incidence of rape, especially acquaintance rape, women have a hard time distinguishing the “nice” guy from the potential rapist. This hurts all men and all potential relationships. For positive change to occur, it is critical for men to become involved as part of the solution.

What can men do to become part of the solution?

• Approach gender violence as a MEN’S issue.
•Make sure that the sex you are having is consensual. Do not accept the myth that “no” means “yes”. Understand that submission is not consent. Do not make assumptions about consent, ASK for consent.
•Remember that having sex with someone who is drunk is sexual assault. If an individual is drunk, they cannot legally consent to sex (they cannot make an informed, rational decision).
•Communicate clearly how you feel and what you want. Listen to your partner. Do not rely on body language.
•Do not make assumptions about consent based on style of dress, body language or previous sexual activity. ASK for consent.
•Understand, and help friends understand, that sexual assault is assault, and has little to do with sex.
•Do not remain silent, do not look the other way. Become an “active bystander” – confront friends who are becoming disrespectful or abusive towards women. Intervene when a friend is making a decision that could have devastating consequences.
•Examine your attitudes about women and men that may perpetuate sexism and violence against women.
•Interrupt actions, comments or jokes that support rape and other acts of violence.
http://www.shs.ilstu.edu/sexual_assault/men/

Most of us are trying to have a serious discussion on this topic. A serious discussion is an informed discussion.

This is the sort of advice posted for male college students regarding sexual assaults

The feminist anti-rape movement emerged in the 1970s for very good reasons. At the time, the belief that women routinely "cry rape" out of vindictiveness or morning-after regrets often caused victims to be treated as if they were the criminals.

But "rape-crisis feminism" (as the writer Katie Roiphe dubbed it) replaced one set of prejudices with another, such as the notion that women virtually never lie about rape. As the radical feminist law professor Catharine MacKinnon wrote in her 1987 book, Feminism Unmodified, "Feminism is built on believing women's accounts of sexual use and abuse by men."

Making the credibility of women's accusations against men a cornerstone of your belief system is a sure prescription for bias. The Duke case amply illustrates this. As Cooper pointed out at his press conference, there were serious questions about the woman's credibility from the start. Her claims were not corroborated by any physical evidence, or by the other stripper who was with her at the party. She herself gave contradictory accounts of what happened. Yet for a long time these questions were swept aside.
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.The past 30 years' progress in the treatment of rape victims needs to be balanced by better safeguards against unjust prosecutions. The Duke case, which has given a face to the plight of the falsely accused, may well turn out to be the start of such a change. If feminists want to retain their credibility as advocates for victims of rape, they need to drop the habit of knee-jerk support for every accuser—and to show decency and compassion toward the victims of false accusations.

As Cooper pointed out at his press conference, there were serious questions about the woman's credibility from the start. Her claims were not corroborated by any physical evidence, or by the other stripper who was with her at the party. She herself gave contradictory accounts of what happened. Yet for a long time these questions were swept aside

That is, if they really want to be part of the solution, and not a continuing part of the problem.

Not your solutions that for damn sure.

there has been a lot done over the last 30 years which was good

I been telling her such a position is insulting to women.

I have already done this...Rape goes back to the old definition of force used over expression of nonconsent.

The first case, a rape has occurred. What forensic evidence can you provide that it is forced? You could prove sex happened, but if you remove consent as a part of the definition, you've provided a wide open door for rapists to walk free on. In this case, by changing the definition, you've created the perfect blueprint for how to get away with rape.

The second case, no rape has occurred. Forensic evidence is faked by the person to indicate a physical altercation. In this case, not much changes at all, but therein is the proof. Changing this definition doesn't do anything special to protect people from extortion or false allegations

Second note hawkeye I was raised in a household of very strong women who never even dream of seeing themselves as victims to male power

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It certainly sounds to me as if a woman could be charged with rape, provided that the sexual intercourse was non-consensual. The excerpt you provided here does not indicate that the person performing the rape has to be the person with the penis.

She certainly could be charged with statutory rape, because that is legally non consensual, and women in NYS have been charged with that. But we have been discussing situations involving adults in this thread.

I cannot find any instances of a woman actually being charged with the rape of an adult male in NYS. But, as you point out, it should be theoretically possible to bring such a charge.

It is also difficult to find any instances of any woman being charged with the rape of an adult male in the U.S. I found one case in Pennsylvania where a woman was charged with forcible rape and torture in 2009, but the charges were then dropped and I found no info to indicate they had been refiled. It is possible that she was re-charged with sexual assaults other than rape.

So, theoretically it may be possible to charge the woman with rape, but it is also unlikely to happen, particularly in a date rape or acquaintance rape situation.

The woman could, however, be charged with other sexual offenses.

Certainly more likely, but a women could have sex with a man without his consent through coercive measures or he may not be able to give legal consent. Rape is a legally defined offense for women as well.

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Certainly more likely, but a women could have sex with a man without his consent through coercive measures or he may not be able to give legal consent. Rape is a legally defined offense for women as well.

So long as men continue to practice sex acquisition techniques more and in a more overt way than do women the feminist program to criminalize sex acquisition is unfair to men. Feminists live in this fairytale land where sex should not happen unless both people spontaneously want it, with out any encouragement from the other person, and they first form a verbal contract for how the activity will be conducted. That is not how humans operate, it will never be how humans operate, and the law needs to make allowance for this in a way that does not punish men for being like men.