Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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You failed on both counts.
I thought that it might be a teachable moment...I guess not

If you had the talent or credentials to be taken seriously as any kind of teacher you might have your moment.

As it is, you can live for the moment but you will find that it is fleeting.

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@Intrepid,

Intrepid wrote:

You dumb ass (apologies to AM's mule), have you considered that the term of casual sex can apply to the idiot that presumes that he can have sex with anybody he wants with or without their permission?

JJ says apology accepted.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

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Perhaps if sex wasn't such a "casual" thing for so many we wouldn't even need to be having this discussion.

Not that I take Bill or Hawk's position on pretty much anything, but there's nothing at all wrong with casual sex.

Cycloptichorn

Agreed. As long as it is consentual.

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@Cycloptichorn,

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Not that I take Bill or Hawk's position on pretty much anything, but there's nothing at all wrong with casual sex

I look forward to the day when you feel strong enough to state such a view without the qualifier. You sound just like every feminist who dares to say any thing that contradicts the party line, they have to preface the doubts with grand gestures of groveling towards the feminist movement's greatness.

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@hawkeye10,

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firefly Quote:
Why shouldn't women be feeling vulnerable?

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They should come to some realistic determination of their risk level, stories of bad things happening to other people in the news might or might not help get there

There is no realistic way to determine risk level with stranger rape. The crime has a random quality. Rapists attack women of all ages, in all sorts of locations. Whenever the woman is alone, or otherwise vulnerable, a rapist might attack. It is an opportunistic attack. There really is no way for the woman to know if potential rapists are in the area.

Read those stories I posted from today's news again. Those rapes could not have been predicted by the victims.

Would a woman who has just been arrested expect the cop to stop the car and rape her on their way to the jail?

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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Not that I take Bill or Hawk's position on pretty much anything, but there's nothing at all wrong with casual sex
I look forward to the day when you feel strong enough to state such a view without the qualifier. You sound just like every feminist who dares to say any thing that contradicts the party line, they have to preface the doubts with grand gestures of groveling towards the feminist movement's greatness.

I'm not grovelling towards anyone. I just want to express my opinion while distancing myself from your opinions. And I was trying to be nice about it. But since you insist, I want everyone to understand that I think you are an idiot who is seriously mentally disturbed when it comes to sexual issues, and that I disdain pretty much everything about you, sir.

That strong enough for ya? Didn't need any qualifiers.

Cycloptichorn

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@firefly,

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Would a woman who has just been arrested expect the cop to stop the car and rape her on their way to the jail?

there is risk in every single thing we do, obsessing about risks and blowing the probability of bad thing s happening way out of proportion to reality is sign of mental illness.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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Would a woman who has just been arrested expect the cop to stop the car and rape her on their way to the jail?
there is risk in every single thing we do, obsessing about risks and blowing the probability of bad thing s happening way out of proportion to reality is sign of mental illness.

...as is obsessing about feminists, sex with young girls, lack of acknowledgement of rape laws etc. etc.

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@Cycloptichorn,

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That strong enough for ya? Didn't need any qualifiers.

That is a strong statement of emotion, I congratulate you on your connection to your feminine side. As a Zen I obviously approve. It is not relevant to the debate, but good to see anyways

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@Intrepid,

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...as is obsessing about feminists, sex with young girls, lack of acknowledgement of rape laws etc. etc.

justice and good sexual functioning are worth more obsessing than are most things

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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Would a woman who has just been arrested expect the cop to stop the car and rape her on their way to the jail?
there is risk in every single thing we do, obsessing about risks and blowing the probability of bad thing s happening way out of proportion to reality is sign of mental illness.

GET A MIRROR! You have been obsessing over rapists getting leniency throughout this whole thread.

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@hawkeye10,

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You sound just like every feminist who dares to say any thing that contradicts the party line, they have to preface the doubts with grand gestures of groveling towards the feminist movement's greatness.

I still do not know who you are talking about when you refer to "feminists". Which current feminists? Which feminist women's organizations? Why can't you be specific, and give names and exact statements made on the issue of rape.

I think you overlook the fact that most women have similar feelings and thoughts on the issue of rape. This has nothing to do with feminism.

I asked Bill a question before, which he was too cowardly to answer.

I will now ask you that same question:
Imagine yourself being anally raped by a man, without your consent. How does the thought of that make you feel?

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@OCCOM BILL,

OCCOM BILL wrote:

failures art wrote:
This is outright false. If you stand accused of ANY crime, you are innocent until proven guilty. If you enter a plea of innocent, the STATE has the burden of evidence, not the accused.
No one pleas "innocent", because they need not be. They plea "not guilty" because as you stated, it is the state's burden to prove them guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt.

You are quite correct. The proper plea is "not guilty," not "innocent." I rushed my typing.

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@firefly,

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Imagine yourself being anally raped by a man, without your consent. How does the thought of that make you feel?

When I am imagining that event you can imagine having heavy bars shut behind your for the rest of your live for a crime you did not do.

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@Arella Mae,

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GET A MIRROR! You have been obsessing over rapists getting leniency throughout this whole thread.

I have been arguing for reform of how society regulates intimate relationships, that some who are now called rapists should be treated in a different manor then they are now is but a small fraction of what I have been talking about.

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@BillRM,

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firefly Quote:
Imagine yourself being anally raped by a man, without your consent. How does the thought of that make you feel?

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When I am imagining that event you can imagine having heavy bars shut behind your for the rest of your live for a crime you did not do.

Your response makes absolutely no sense. You would not think a crime had been done to you?

Tell me how you would feel if a man anally raped you, without your consent.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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GET A MIRROR! You have been obsessing over rapists getting leniency throughout this whole thread.
I have been arguing for reform of how society regulates intimate relationships, that some who are now called rapists should be treated in a different manor then they are now is but a small fraction of what I have been talking about.

You have done nothing but show how little sympathy you have for rape victims and how much sympathy you have for the rapists ad nauseum

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

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Perhaps if sex wasn't such a "casual" thing for so many we wouldn't even need to be having this discussion.

Not that I take Bill or Hawk's position on pretty much anything, but there's nothing at all wrong with casual sex.

Cycloptichorn

I think they are simply avoiding the term "consensual," because they know that defining this damns their views.

It's not that "casual" sex needs protection. Casual sex is not even under attack. Casual is a bait and switch for removing the responsibility to have direct consensual relations.

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@firefly,

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Imagine yourself being anally raped by a man, without your consent. How does the thought of that make you feel?

I would expect justice to prevail. And if one of my kids were to be murdered I still would not support the death penalty for the one who did it no matter how evil I decided he/she was. I believe what I believe, I dont change my beliefs when something happens to me. If I did that very often that would indicate to me that I make up my mind with-out fully thinking things through. I try to not do that.

Justice has very little to do with feelings, I sure hope you never went to law school.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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Would a woman who has just been arrested expect the cop to stop the car and rape her on their way to the jail?
there is risk in every single thing we do, obsessing about risks and blowing the probability of bad thing s happening way out of proportion to reality is sign of mental illness.

So since you're so paranoid that every male is taking the risk of being bribed/extorted, you'll accept it. Sounds like we're done here.

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