Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@Intrepid,

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She did that, but you won't listen

you would profit from looking up the definition of "listen".....then go check what "agree" means. You might figure out your mistake.

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@BillRM,

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because I feel very vulnerable to attack

Kind of like the feeling men get every time they happen to be alone with a female who could cry raped and ruin their lives.

And based on the stories you posted, it looks like crying rape falsely gets you arrested.

It's funny that you say that you can survive rape extortion if you're wealthy. At the same time, if you're not wealthy, there is not much to be extorted for.

Certainly the case of the failed robbery you posted (a crime on the order of a few hundred dollars) contradicts your claim. The extortion of crying rape was a means to escape punishment for the failed robbery. This person didn't need to be ultra wealthy to survive the accusation.

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@failures art,

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This person didn't need to be ultra wealthy to survive the accusation.

defending against a rape charge would bankrupt most men. One of the unjust aspects of the VAWA is that women have the ability to access these funds for lawyers, men who must defend against these charges do not, even if they turn out to be totally innocent.

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@hawkeye10,

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One of the unjust aspects of the VAWA is that women have the ability to access these funds for lawyers, men who must defend against these charges do not, even if they turn out to be totally innocent

Do defendants in any criminal action get funds to help in their defense?

You simply seem to feel envious that women's groups have been better organized and effective in promoting the interests and needs of women. They have had to do this because the male power establishment ignored those needs and concerns of women, particularly concerning crimes against women.

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@hawkeye10,

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Men are far more likely to be convicted on rape charges with nothing other then the victim IDing them compare to other crimes.
Considering that unlike any other crime in rape a defendant must prove his innocents, and that often their are no witnesses, this seems likely. I doubt that you can prove it though.

False. It is unlike no other charge. You are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

The he-said-she-said meme you promote here with Bill is simply false.

6% of reported rapes to the police result in a conviction.
58% of cases that make it to trial result in a conviction.

You need to get it out of your head that being accused means you get convicted. The prosecution still has to prove your guilt, IF the case even makes it to trial.

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@firefly,

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Do defendants in any criminal action get funds to help in their defense?

defendants in any other criminal actions do not have to prove their innocence. What we have now is nor more fair than when victims had to defend their character in rape trials, the difference is that in it now unfair in the other direction. I would like to get to fairness tyvm,

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@failures art,

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False. It is unlike no other charge.

you are delusional...the defendant needing to prove that there was an affirmative consent is the defended needing to prove that he is innocent. If he can not prove this he is guilty.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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This person didn't need to be ultra wealthy to survive the accusation.

defending against a rape charge would bankrupt most men. One of the unjust aspects of the VAWA is that women have the ability to access these funds for lawyers, men who must defend against these charges do not, even if they turn out to be totally innocent.

How would this be related to loosening the definition of rape?

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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Do defendants in any criminal action get funds to help in their defense?

defendants in any other criminal actions do not have to prove their innocence. What we have now is nor more fair than when victims had to defend their character in rape trials, the difference is that in it now unfair in the other direction. I would like to get to fairness tyvm,

This is outright false. If you stand accused of ANY crime, you are innocent until proven guilty. If you enter a plea of innocent, the STATE has the burden of evidence, not the accused.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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False. It is unlike no other charge.
you are delusional...the defendant needing to prove that there was an affirmative consent is the defended needing to prove that he is innocent. If he can not prove this he is guilty.

You are a demented idiot, talking out of your ass, as usual. The State is put to the strict burden of proof, as the defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt, and all but the terminally obtuse know this.

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@failures art,

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This is outright false. If you stand accused of ANY crime, you are innocent until proven guilty. If you enter a plea of innocent, the STATE has the burden of evidence, not the accused.

No one pleas "innocent", because they need not be. They plea "not guilty" because as you stated, it is the state's burden to prove them guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt.

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@failures art,

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If you enter a plea of innocent, the STATE has the burden of evidence, not the accused.

under old rape law the default was that consent was assumed, it had to proved to not be consent. The new default is that consent is assumed not to be given, until it has been proven. The state is trying to prosecute the accused, they have already decided that there was no affirmative consent, they then argue that there was none. Unless the defendant can convince a jury or a judge that the state is wrong he is going away.

Where the rubber meets the road the defended now needs to prove his innocents, though they system is not honest about this. Feminists I am sure think this is great, they after all only care about the criminal justice system so far as they can use it. Corrupting it by overturning the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" is of no concern to them.

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@BillRM,

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And how is this any greater or less of an issue than false convictions for other crimes?

Men are far more likely to be convicted on rape charges with nothing other then the victim IDing them compare to other crimes.

It takes a lot more than just someone ID'ing someone to convict them. Eye witness testimony, even from the victim, isn't as reliable as some think. If there is no PHYSICAL evidence a jury isn't as likely to convict.

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@BillRM,

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And how is this any greater or less of an issue than false convictions for other crimes?

Men are far more likely to be convicted on rape charges with nothing other then the victim IDing them compare to other crimes.

It takes a lot more than just someone ID'ing someone to convict them. Eye witness testimony, even from the victim, isn't as reliable as some think. If there is no PHYSICAL evidence a jury isn't as likely to convict.

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20010516.html

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@panzade,

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Sometimes it's hard for men to understand the dynamics of being physically weaker.

Oh, I don't know about that. What do you think are the odds of either of these two misogynists showing up at a gathering? The anonimity of the internet, posting demented **** from behind fake names and phony avatars is their "brightly lit area."

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Sorry for the double post everyone. I was trying to edit it and put the link in.

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@Arella Mae,

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If there is no PHYSICAL evidence a jury isn't as likely to convict.

By that I assume you mean evidence that they had sex, or maybe evidence that they played rough, neither of which is a crime. There is not much to be had in the way of physical evidence of affirmative consent unless there was a tape being made. Juries and judges often make guesses because they have to come up with some decision, with huge ramification of injustice if they guess wrong, which is a big part of why the criminal system is not suited for this job.

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@hawkeye10,

What planet do you live on and why do I even try to converse intelligently with you?

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@OCCOM BILL,

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Oh, I don't know about that. What do you think are the odds of either of these two misogynists showing up at a gathering? The anonimity of the internet, posting demented **** from behind fake names and phony avatars is their "brightly lit area."

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@failures art,

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The he-said-she-said meme you promote here with Bill is simply false.

Oh? there was more evidence then she said he said in the cases of Tyson, Dr. Smith/Kennedy ,Knobe or many others?

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