Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@failures art,

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It looks like the justice system takes rape extortion VERY seriously.

When you had the resources and the social standing, you might not end up in prison for a crime you did not do. Flip a coin into the air.

In any case the problem is that those stories tend to prove that such charges are not uncommon it however does not address how often the so call rape victim does get away with it and walk away in some cases with millions of dollars from the pockets of innocent men.

If the great and very well respected boxer Muhammad Ali had been charged with raping the same woman in the same hotel room with the same set of facts instead of that known wife beater Tyson, it would had been likely laugh out of court assuming it got anywhere near a court in the first place.

The basketball player Kobe Bryant ended up paying his accuser off to the tune of millions instead of risking his life on a he said she said case.

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@panzade,

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One of the things that I think Firefly has left unsaid is that the reason our society hasn't taken rape seriously in the last 100 years is that we have lived in a male oriented society. Especially law enforcement.

Let me ask you guys. When you park at a mall do you make sure to park close to an exit in a brightly lit area?
I don't.
I'll ask the women here.
Do you?

Sometimes it's hard for men to understand the dynamics of being physically weaker.

I am very careful where I park, particularly at night, and in areas where there are not many people around.

In fact, one situation which always causes me some anxiety are the multi-level parking lots/garages which are almost always unattended and relatively deserted. It is very easy for a potential attacker to hide behind a car, or beside a car, and come up behind you. Or they can sneak up behind you and push you into your own car when you open the door. In addition, to get to the street level, or lower level, in these garages, you sometimes have to use enclosed deserted stairwells or elevators.
I am always frightened in these situations because I feel very vulnerable to attack. And there are times these are the only parking facilities available, so you have no choice and must use them.

I think one thing some of the men here do not understand is that all women realize they might be potential rape victims, we all are potential rape targets.
Whether it's the 79 year old woman who is raped in her apartment building, or the 12 year old who is forced into a car and raped, or the 45 year old who is raped in a deserted multi-level parking lot, or the 19 year old college student who is raped on a date--rape knows no boundaries based on age, status, social class or race of the female--rapists attack all groups of women, all types of women. All women realize they could be targets or victims of a rape. And that does create a general sense of vulnerability. And that does affect how we view the topic we are discussing, and why we do not want it trivialized.

Thanks for bringing that point up, panzade.

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@BillRM,

...or perhaps Tyson had something to hide....

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@BillRM,

But the injustice had nothing to do with rape. It had to do with letting exonerating evidence sit in an office for 27 years while an innocent man was in prison.

You are not presenting a coherent argument about anything. You are simply throwing out isolated cases, and often not even understanding the material you post.

You admitted your real intention was to ruin this thread. Well, you've distracted and disrupted, but you haven't ruined it. You've simply proved that you are a boor and a buffoon. On that score, you've managed to convince all of us.

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@firefly,

My wife carry a gun legally around and know how used it so for her the problem is solve petty must.

When she was traveling around the whole country alone either using her piper aircraft or RV she also had been known carry a short barrel riot shotgun.

If you do not like firearms there are others means of level the playing field such as carrying a taser.

No need for anyone to be a defenseless victim unless they wish to be.

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@firefly,

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You are simply throwing out isolated cases, and often not even understanding the material you post.

Hundreds of men who had been proven to been in prison for rapes for decades they never did and by the science of mathematic the 100 percent likelihood that hundreds more innocent men are now in prison for rapes they did not do with no hope of getting free as no DNA exist.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

My wife carry a gun legally around and know how used it so for her the problem is solve petty must.

When she was traveling around the whole country alone either using her piper aircraft or RV she also had been known carry a short barrel riot shotgun.

If you do not like firearms there are others means of level the playing field such as carrying a taser.

No need for anyone to be a defenseless victim unless they wish to be.

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When you had the resources and the social standing, you might not end up in prison for a crime you did not do. Flip a coin into the air.

In any case the problem is that those stories tend to prove that such charges are not uncommon it however does not address how often the so call rape victim does get away with it and walk away in some cases with millions of dollars from the pockets of innocent men.

If the great and very well respected boxer Muhammad Ali had been charged with raping the same woman in the same hotel room with the same set of facts instead of that known wife beater Tyson, it would had been likely laugh out of court assuming it got anywhere near a court in the first place.

The basketball player Kobe Bryant ended up paying his accuser off to the tune of millions instead of risking his life on a he said she said case.

Wow, Bill. Your last post was almost understandable and written in reasonably good English. Something that we are not used to seeing.

This next post, you went back to your usual. Do you have a ghost writer?

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@BillRM,

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My wife carry a gun legally around and know how used it so for her the problem is solve petty must.

When she was traveling around the whole country alone either using her piper aircraft or RV she also had been known carry short barrel riot shotgun.

If you do not like firearms there are others means of level the playing field such as carrying a taser.

No need for anyone to be a defenseless victim unless they wish to be.

I'm sorry, those are unrealistic solutions to the problem of rape. Victims can be taken by surprise and even an armed woman would have no chance to go for a gun in her purse, or even a taser or mace. The attacker can also grab those weapons from her, and use them against her. Even police officers sometimes have their guns grabbed from them.

As long as there are rapists, women will be vulnerable.

And you can be vulnerable too in certain situations. In hostage situations, for instance, male victims can be threated with anal rape, and are sometimes anally raped. Think about yourself being anally raped by another man, against your will, and tell me if you enjoy that thought.

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@firefly,

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because I feel very vulnerable to attack

Kind of like the feeling men get every time they happen to be alone with a female who could cry raped and ruin their lives.

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@BillRM,

Women, as a group, not only rarely "cry rape" falsely, they are reluctant to report it even when they are actually raped.

You are still proving what a buffoon you are.

I repeat...

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Think about yourself being anally raped by another man, against your will, and tell me if you enjoy that thought.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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because I feel very vulnerable to attack

Kind of like the feeling men get every time they happen to be alone with a female who could cry raped and ruin their lives.

Have you experienced this?

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@firefly,

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I'm sorry, those are unrealistic solutions to the problem of rape. Victims can be taken by surprise and even an armed woman would have no chance to go for a gun in her purse, or even a taser or mace. The attacker can also grab those weapons from her, and use them against her. Even police officers sometimes have their guns grabbed from them.

Sorry even men can be taken by surprise and even men need to be aware of their surroundings and nothing is perfect in this world but that is not a reason to not take safeguards.

Oh I love to see someone trying to get the gun out of my wife hands without them being shot. You do need training and practice until gun handling is second nature to you however.

Second, you do not carry a weapon around in a manner that you cannot get to in a millisecond.

See any gun shop for a quick released belt gun pouch that is design for very fast draws.

Funny story when she is not carrying a gun she used this pouch to carry ID etc and when we was about to go through security to take a cruise we both saw the port security people getting uptight as we approach them.

Most of the public are not aware of what the pouch is but security at the port was aware of what it is normally design to carry.

In any case we both broke out laughing and I then told them that they can relax as my wife is carrying IDs etc and not a gun.

Now to sum up you seem to wish to be a defenseless victim because that what women are but that is not the case if you do not wish it to be even if nothing is perfect being arm is one hell of a lot safer then not being arm if attack even for a “poor” woman assuming she had taken the time to train that is.

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@BillRM,

And how is this any greater or less of an issue than false convictions for other crimes?

False convictions are definitely something to be abhorred. But this points up more of a systemic problem with our justice system, than it does with rape laws.

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@firefly,

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Women, as a group, not only rarely "cry rape" falsely, they are reluctant to report it even when they are actually raped.

And men as a group are not rapists and yet you fear men so what is your point?

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@BillRM,

I don't fear men. In certain situations, where I am physically vulnerable, I fear being raped by a stranger. I fear rapists, not all men.

I can't honest say I ever felt personally fearful of being raped in a date rape situation. I never put myself alone with a man before I got to know him. And all the men I have ever been with understood that "No means no", and they accepted it.
But I can certainly understand the situation for those women who have been raped.

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@DrewDad,

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And how is this any greater or less of an issue than false convictions for other crimes?

Men are far more likely to be convicted on rape charges with nothing other then the victim IDing them compare to other crimes.

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@BillRM,

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Now to sum up you seem to wish to be a defenseless victim because that what women are but that is not the case if you do not wish it to be even if nothing is perfect being arm is one hell of a lot safer then not being arm if attack even for a “poor” woman assuming she had taken the time to train that is.

You are so worried about the threat of false accusations, basically because you don't trust women. Are you really sure you want all these untrustworthy women also carrying guns? I mean, mightn't they shoot innocent men? Mightn't more men get shot in anger by these unstable women?

You are advising women to take their defense into their own hands. That's what Lorena Bobbitt did. She stopped acting like a defenseless victim.

Be careful what you wish for...or suggest that women do...

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@BillRM,

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Men are far more likely to be convicted on rape charges with nothing other then the victim IDing them compare to other crimes.

Can you back this up with statistics to prove this assertion, or is this yet another instance of you blowing hot air.

I still want to know how you would feel about being anally raped against your will.

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@firefly,

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Can you back this up with statistics to prove this assertion, or is this yet another instance of you blowing hot air.

I read that many times from many sources and once I give you the links what then?

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@BillRM,

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Men are far more likely to be convicted on rape charges with nothing other then the victim IDing them compare to other crimes.

Either back up that assertion with convincing statistics, or shut up.

Again, this would a problem related to the criminal justice system and not to the crime of rape.

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