Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@BillRM,

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You are making hunches.

Sorry I am not making a hunch and feel free to made a survey of males if you question that.

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...nor can I picture...

This is language that is pure extrapolation. It is based on your stated opinion that you would not report, but it IS a guess.

Yes, I could do a survey, but let's not pretend like you did do a survey.

Your assertion is just that, an assertion.

I would report to the police if I was raped. There, we're 1:1. 50%. That fucks up your 99.99999% guess.

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@BillRM,

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That may be your opinion but not mine giving such a drug behind anyone back is assault and the used of force by the common meanings of both terms.

Pick and choose. Pick and choose.

Now we're using "common meanings." Common meanings until we examine "rape."

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Texan exonerated for rape ordered freed on bond
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By JUAN A. LOZANO
The Associated Press
Friday, July 30, 2010; 11:11 AM

HOUSTON -- A judge has ordered that a Houston man who has spent the last 27 years imprisoned for a rape he didn't commit be freed on bond.

During a court hearing Friday, Michael Anthony Green was granted a $500 bond that will let him walk out of jail.

Green was expected to be released later Friday after his paperwork had been processed.

His pending release was made possible after the Harris County District Attorney's Office reopened his case. New DNA tests it commissioned showed he did not commit a 1983 rape of a woman who had been abducted.

Green's release had been set for Thursday, but was delayed a day after he become too emotional and angry while waiting in a holding cell for his court hearing.

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@BillRM,

Interesting. You mean using modern science in a courtroom helped resolve this case? It seems that 2010 is better than 1983 on matters of rape cases. I thought it was getting worse, not better? It seems that now IF you're innocent, you're chances are less likely that this kind of thing will happen. Notice how it didn't take a loosening of the definition of rape to free this man?

This doesn't really support your case. This man was put to trial 27 years ago.

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For ten million dollars I will not charge you with rape.

Louisville coach Rick Pitino rips media for coverage of sex scandal
BY Dick Weiss
Daily News Sports Writer

Thursday, August 27th 2009, 1:44 AM

Reinke/APLouisville coach Rick Pitino holds an impromptu press conference on Wednesday and rips the coverage of his sex scandal. Related NewsAssemblywoman sued for car crash that hurt woman2 state employees stole data used for illegal immigrants listPitino details encounter with accuserPitino explains why he didn't report threatsLouisville coach Rick Pitino said he would remain quiet until the start of the trial of a woman accused of trying to extort $10 million from him in highly publicized sex scandal that rocked college basketball.

But after he watched a local TV affiliate interrupt a noon news report on the death of Sen. Ted Kennedy to air the audiotapes of an already released interview Karen Sypher had with Louisville detectives in which she initially claimed Pitino sexually assaulted her in a downtown restaurant six years ago, he couldn't resist speaking out.

Against the advice of his lawyer, university officials and the authorities, Pitino - who admitted having consensual sex with Sypher - conducted a hastily called press conference Wednesday, lashing out against what he felt were over-sensationalized, inaccurate reports by local and national media.

"Enough is enough and everybody's tired of it," Pitino said. "So, I am saying something. It's a lie. Everything that's been printed, everything that's been reported, everything that's been breaking in the news of the day Ted Kennedy died is a 100% lie, a lie. All of this has been a lie, a total fabrication of the truth."

Pitino went on to say the scandal has been "pure hell on my family."

"I'm a little upset. This is a day I went home to comfort my wife, who for the last seven months, has gone through a really tough time as her husband was extorted for millions of dollars and from that point all she's read are all these false allegations. I've admitted I made a mistake six years ago. But my wife and family don't deserve to suffer because of the lies.

"It's a pretty sad day. I understand your business very well. I understand the competitiveness of that and I understand in these economic times how difficult it is for everyone. What I don't understand is why you keep fostering this behavior. On a day when Ted Kennedy died, we broke into the news of Karen Sypher's audiotapes. And it's also a pretty sad commentary when you look at the things that are being said. Just yesterday - and it didn't make me too pleased - the U.S. Attorney asked for psychological testing of this person. I need this case to go to trial.

"I'm a very proud New Yorker and all my family and friends had to read in the tabloids all this vicious things being said. The FBI doesn't care about basketball. The U.S. Attorney does not care about basketball. In all my discussions, they never brought up the Final Four. The FBI cares about putting criminals behind bars. They don't prosecute jaywalkers.

"But we're missing the whole point of what's going on here. I've been blackmailed seven months ago, and every allegation Karen Sypher made was proven false."

Among other things, Sypher accused Pitino of raping her, paying for an abortion and then conspiring to have Tim Sypher, his equipment manager, marry her. The U.S. Attorney's office found no credible evidence to prosecute Pitino. Sypher has pleaded not guilty to federal charges of extortion and lying to the FBI.

The trial is expected to start next month.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/2009/08/27/2009-08-27_pitino_goes_on_the_offensive.html#ixzz0vBLES4Hs

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@failures art,

It also does not address the fact that the article indicates the woman was abducted. Is the man innocent of this also?

I did not respond directly to Bill as he indicated that he would not be posting in this thread anymore. Wink

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Hawkeye, I think we had ruined the men haters thread enough by now and I am about to put this silly thread on ignore.

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@failures art,

Have to agree , if the authorities took rape seriously they'd be using the rape kits and cases like this would be few and far between.

One of the things that I think Firefly has left unsaid is that the reason our society hasn't taken rape seriously in the last 100 years is that we have lived in a male oriented society. Especially law enforcement.

Let me ask you guys. When you park at a mall do you make sure to park close to an exit in a brightly lit area?
I don't.
I'll ask the women here.
Do you?

Sometimes it's hard for men to understand the dynamics of being physically weaker.

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Women at all level of society can play the extortion game.

Mother Speaks After Rape Extortion Allegation
By Michael George
SHEBOYGAN - Eugenia Garrison and her 14-year-old daughter were arrested for robbing a man and threatening to falsely accuse him of rape. But in an exclusive interview with TODAY'S TMJ4 reporter Michael George, she said she and her daughter are the real victims. Garrison said she and her teenage daughter were at a local bar late on Monday night. They met a businessman from Texas, and he brought them back to his hotel room. At about 3:30 a.m., she claims things turned ugly. "He said, 'Get naked.' He said that to both of us, and I said 'No,' and that’s how the whole thing started," said Garrison. The man and police have a different story. The businessman told investigators the 14-year old grabbed $350 from him and ran for the door. When he tried to stop her, she allegedly claimed she would "cry rape." But Garrison said the man really did try to assault them. "We’re getting ready to leave. He grabbed my daughter by the arm, and he tried to pull her back into the room. My daughter screamed in the hallway," she said. Garrison and her daughter were arrested for misdemeanor theft. Sheboygan police say the two changed their story, first saying they never went to the hotel and then admitting they did. Police also say the two admitted to taking the money, though Garrison later said that was a gift from the businessman. Garrison didn't report the attempted assault to police, she said, because the officer questioning her was rude to her. George asked her why she brought her 14-year-old daughter to a stranger's hotel room after midnight. "We weren’t going to go in the room, and he was like 'It’s OK, it’s OK, see, I gave you money, I'm a decent guy, I’m not going to hurt you,'" she recalled. Garrison said it was a mistake to bring her daughter to the bar, but she said the man at the bar is the real criminal. Sheboygan police said Wednesday that they investigated the sexual assault and found no evidence of a crime. The businessman is not being investigated. Advanced SearchOn Demand Twitter Facebook My Personal 4 Cast eNews & eNews Alerts TMJ4 Text Alerts Read more »
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@BillRM,

i posted that yesterday, to try and show the pitfalls of which you speak

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@BillRM,

Interesting. So being accused of rape doesn't instantly put you in jail. Also interesting is how the accuser was charged with extortion, exactly like they should. Further interesting is how no definition of rape had to be loosened to protect the right of this man in this investigation.

It seems that we can deal with false accusations without loosening the definition of rape and endangering others.

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@panzade,

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Have to agree , if the authorities took rape seriously they'd be using the rape kits and cases like this would be few and far between.

Th poor man was in prison for almost 30 years and DNA technology was not there.

Good luck trying to blame society for not taking rape seriously for locking up a poor man for that length of time.

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@BillRM,

Are you as passionate for those who are locked up for murder, theft, extortion, blackmail, assault etc. etc. as you are for those locked up for rape?

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@BillRM,

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SHEBOYGAN - Eugenia Garrison and her 14-year-old daughter were arrested for robbing a man and threatening to falsely accuse him of rape.

Interesting. Making a false accusation to mask a crime didn't work. I thought that in these situations, the men are instantly guilty? I thought that because our rape definition was too rigid, it meant that a woman could say anything and the police would believe her?

It seems like accusations of crimes are associated with some sort of... I don't know... let's call it a... investigation.

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http://www.undercovercostarica.com/2010/03/rape-extortion-plot-foiled.html

Boy meets girls, boy and girl have sex, and then girl tries to extort money from boy. It’s a simple story of love, sex and money Costa Rica style.

The story came to a head this week when Costa Rica Police arrested a 22 year old women of the name Ulate and her two male accomplices as they attempted to receive the last part of the extortion payment, which consisted of a car and approximately $1,000 in cash.

The victim, a 40 year old businessman for Monteverde had previously deposited $7,000 in the bank account of Ulate.

The couple had maintained a relationship for two years, and during this time she enjoyed a luxury apartment in San Jose, tuition to attend a private university, spending money, and all expense paid trips to foreign countries.

Apparently the girlfriend decided that she would not remain a kept women, and turned to extortion in order to live in the style to which she had become accustomed. She hatched a plan to lure the boyfriend to a secluded area in a car where she had sex with him in some sort of fantasy act. It’s not known if the deed was captured on video, however the girlfriend sent her first extortion demand.

Pay up or face criminal charges of rape.

Although the entire scenario would seem laughable in just about any country in the developed world Costa Rica is an odd little place where laws enacted to protect women are frequently used to Extort Money from Men.

In this case the girlfriend was perhaps frustrated by measures that the boyfriend took to protect himself. First, he maintained a separate residence and second never married or impregnated her. Under these scenarios a women can take away a home or receive support for many years.

In the end the boyfriend prevailed as after the initial ransom payment he contacted the judicial police who setup a sting for the second payment. The girlfriend was arrested and if convicted will face a maximum penalty of eight years imprisonment.
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@BillRM,

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Have to agree , if the authorities took rape seriously they'd be using the rape kits and cases like this would be few and far between.

Th poor man was in prison for almost 30 years and DNA technology was not there.

Good luck trying to blame society for not taking rape seriously for locking up a poor man for that length of time.

A loosening of the definition of rape would have helped this man how in 1983? Perhaps it's not definition of rape that was the problem in 1983, nor is it in 2010.

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@BillRM,

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Although the entire scenario would seem laughable in just about any country in the developed world Costa Rica is an odd little place where laws enacted to protect women are frequently used to Extort Money from Men.

I think this about sums it up.

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@BillRM,

Why do you keep posting stories that are the antithesis of the claim that men are victims here. In all of these stories it seems that the women are arrested, and the crime is taken seriously. It looks like the justice system takes rape extortion VERY seriously.

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@BillRM,

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New DNA tests it commissioned showed he did not commit a 1983 rape of a woman who had been abducted.

What is your point in posting this? Do you know the full circumstances of the crimes for which this man was convicted?
Because DNA has now exonerated the man for rape does not mean the rape conviction was obtained on the basis of a deliberate false allegation. In fact, the female victim in this case was abducted and raped by a group of men. She misidentified this man as one of the group from photos shown to her by the police. This was not a deliberate false allegation case.

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Texan exonerated of rape after 27 years in prison
© 2010 The Associated Press
July 28, 2010, 5:54PM

Michael Anthony Green, 44, is expected to be released on bond Thursday, the district attorney's office said in a statement. It remains only for the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals to clear Green's conviction.

Green was 18 when a Harris County jury convicted him in 1983 of aggravated sexual assault of a woman who was taken by several men from a pay telephone just north of Houston. He was the only person convicted in the crime and was serving a 75-year prison term.

The identities of those authorities now say are the true assailants were being withheld until the Thursday court hearing, said George Flynn, a spokesman for the district attorney's office.

Green's attorney, Robert Wicoff, blamed bad police work for his client spending almost three decades in prison for a crime he did not commit.

"It happened because the police didn't take all the steps they needed to take to make sure they had the right man. They also used suggestive interrogation techniques when they questioned the victim that prompted her to identify my client," he said.

"As you might imagine, he's pretty upset" to have lost his freedom for 27 years, Wicoff said.

A Houston police spokesman said the department had no statement.

According to the district attorney's office, four men abducted the woman from the Greenspoint district on April 18, 1983. They forced her into their vehicle and drove to a remote area, where three of the men sexually assaulted her.

Houston police pursued a stolen car resembling the description of the vehicle used in the abduction, and the car's four occupants stopped and fled on foot in different directions. Police came upon Green, who was walking in the area. The victim could not identify Green in person when he was first detained, but later picked him from a photo lineup as one of her three attackers.

Green maintained his innocence. When Harris County District Attorney Patricia Lykos formed the new Post-Conviction Review Section, his case was among the first taken up.

"The evidence in this case had been sitting in the district clerk's office for 27 years, and no one had taken the initiative to do anything with it in the past,"First Assistant District Attorney Jim Leitner said in the statement.

The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals, which will look at Green's case. also is scheduled to review the 1990 sexual assault conviction of Allen Wayne Porter, 39, of Houston, who was freed on bond Friday after a review exonerated him after 19 years in prison.

Lykos called for the creation of a regional crime lab to process evidence, such as DNA evidence, for law enforcement agencies throughout the Houston area.

"It is unconscionable that the third-largest county in the nation and its largest city do not have the capacity to timely test all rape kits, and that it is unavailable to solve other crimes such as burglary and auto theft," she said in the statement. "There should be immediate action on the regional crime lab — justice and public safety demand this."
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/7129147.html

The bolding in the above quote is mine.

Miscarriages of justice go on with all crimes, not just rape. Innocent people are sometimes convicted. But it is juries which return those Guilty verdicts. Do you suggest we abolish the jury system? What is your point?

The fact that hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of rape kits go untested is a point I have made repeatedly in this thread. Not only does it impede investigation of women's complaints of rape, it also hinders the gathering of DNA. That DNA can help to convict rapists, but it also can be used to exonerate the innocent. But you have been completely indifferent to the fact that significant numbers of rape kits go untested. Will this change your mind about that?

The real miscarriage of justice in this case is the fact that they had the evidence to clear this man sitting sitting in an office for 27 years and didn't use it.

You should be happy we have DNA testing now. It does help to exonerate some who were wrongly convicted. But, most of the people sitting in prison are not innocent. These are rare cases.

That you don't bother to evaluate or fully understand the info you post reveals your real lack of interest in this topic. You are only interested in making isolated points, only tangentially connected to the topic, rather than trying to understand the problems of rape, from the victim's perspective, and the difficulties of prosecuting such crimes and obtaining convictions.

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@failures art,

Yes I am sure <not> that all such extortions efforters does no work however the only ones we know for sure are the ones that did not work.

Mike Tyson because of his past behaviors and damn poor image was a target waiting to be hit with such a charge.

Please take note however to this very day he had still denial having rape that young woman and when offer a year sooner released from prison if he only would admit to a crime he was already found guilty of he refused to do so.

Did an innocent man with a poor public image ended up in prison with his accuser walking away with many millions?

No way of telling for sure as it was just a she said he said case.

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@firefly,

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deliberate false allegation

Who had claimed anything but one hell of an injustice?

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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

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