Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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You're just guessing. I'm not really interested in your hunches.

As a man I am not guessing at all that I would not report a woman raping me nor can I picture any of my fellow males friends doing so.

Not a hunch at all.

The above is by architecture a guess, definitively. You are making hunches.

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@firefly,

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You can't decide that some rape is "real" and some isn't. The law defines all rape the same way--sex without consent.

If you don't like the rape laws in your state, contact your state legislators, and your governor, and complain about them

I have no problem with the rape laws of my state. They seem very reasonable. My male relatives and friends would have no difficulty understanding them, or complying with them. Nor would most men.

Rape laws aren't written to gender either, so I'm not sure what all the belly-achin' is about. It's not as if rape is written different for men than it is for women. If hawkeye and Bill are displeased with how these laws are executed that at least could be argued on a case by case basis, but no matter how tight or loose the definition of rape is, I'm sure that they'd find a way that ANY definition somehow victimizes men.

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@BillRM,

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Lord there are a lot of men haters on this thread it would seem.

In addition, given the opinion of men express by this poster there is no way she would or could be in a heterosexual relationship with any man.

Far too full of hate to be sharing a bed and a life with a man.

This is hardly a fair summary Bill. Don't confuse a rejection of your views as a person being a "man hater."

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@BillRM,

This last page has nicely made my point why any dispute other than forcible rape should never see a court room. These two people who have had the dispute or where one feels that the other violated them should both get in front of the same counselor, and let them sort it out. Let them recommend what remediation is required and have a court order it. As people continue to get into sexual conflicts the remediation gets stronger, if it becomes known that we have a sexual predator then they go into either a residential program or they get kicked into the criminal system. I think that if we took the Family Justice Centers and made them focused on health instead of law, and allowed the saviors and feminist to stay in these places only if they stopped proselytizing and promoting victim-hood , that we would just about have it.

Edit: I say focused on the law because right now their main purpose to to entice victims to cooperate with the collectives will to prosecute the abuser under the law. The focus needs to turn to helping both individuals into more healthy behaviour, and when I say healthy I mean getting what they want consensually.

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@BillRM,

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Get that, it is sexual intercourse without consent. No force is required. No means no.

Sorry dear but no woman can be raped without force or the threat of force being used.

No force or threat of force no rape is possible,

If a woman said no and a man place a hand on her afterward that is force my silly friend.

No man can get his penis into an unwilling woman without using force or threat of force it just can not be done.

Hell maybe I am wrong the woman said no now how does the rapist do anything to her without the used of force?????

Does her cloths fall off her at the will of the rapist does her legs open up by themselves after she said no?

To sum up force or the threat of force is need to commit a rape.

I guess you'd like to rename the date rape drug then. It's use makes the use of force unnecessary. By your undefinition, it wouldn't be rape at all!

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Sorry not proven as men who are raped by a woman or women would be far far far less likely to report it then women so all your numbers deal only with rapes that had been reported.

The comment that we would not have rape laws but for men is untrue on it face as women do rape in whatever numbers they do rape.

You are, indeed, a Loony Toon. You have no connection with reality and are getting further out there every time you post. Some would call it grasping at straws. This is probably because you bring in so many strawmen. Or straw dogs as you seem to call it.

You still don't seem to grasp the fact that we have been talking about men raping women. You are insensitive to everything that is written.

Your insensitive remarks to Osso particularly annoyed me and only add to the fact that you are a low life scum.

You are barely able to form a proper sentence and quite often appear drunk or on some other substance that prohibit you from making sense.

In the time you have been on A2K you have argued against every thread that you have been on. You don't seem to care whether you make any sense and quite often don't.

This is not an attack on you. This is an observation, over time, of the facts concerning you.

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

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Most normal people have no difficulty having an intelligent discussion on rape.

You make an important distinction here. Unfortunately, Hawkeye and Bill do not fit this criteria.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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Rape laws are written by male lawmakers, not by feminist advocacy groups. Most women and men support these laws. Rape is not a feminist issue, although it might be a concern of feminists. Rape is a concern for both men and women. It is a societal problem of sexual assault and violence. Men want their mothers, wives, daughters, sisters, and even grandmothers, protected from rapists.

Real rape is indeed not just a feminist issue but the meaning of rape you support go far beyond that and you at least do not care about the sons and brothers and uncles of most women that might find themselves the victim of crazy rape laws.

In addition, laws makers work for pressure/special interests groups not the public as a whole unless the public wake up and demand they do so.

?????? Just what special interest group would want, or indeed benefit from, rape laws?

I would think that the public would demand even stricter rape laws if they had a say.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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You're just guessing. I'm not really interested in your hunches.

As a man I am not guessing at all that I would not report a woman raping me nor can I picture any of my fellow males friends doing so.

Not a hunch at all.

That is because you would not consider it rape. You would just be happy that somebody actually wanted to have sex with you.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Sorry firefly I do not think you have one male friend or relatives that you care about.

Second like you I have no problem with my current state law on sexual assault I do however have a problem with how you would wish to define rape.

You don't have a clue about who anybody cares about. The only truth in your first sentence appears to be "I do not think"

If you don't have a problem with the rape laws then what the hell have you been complaining about for 50+ pages?

Firefly does not wish to define rape in any way other than it is already been defined by law. The fact that you are too stupid to understand the definition is what needs to be changed.

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@failures art,

Sorry giving a date rape drug would be using force beside being an assualt.

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@failures art,

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these laws are executed that at least could be argued on a case by case basis, but no matter how tight or loose the definition of rape is, I'm sure that they'd find a way that ANY definition somehow victimizes men.

Both of us have given examples so what is your complain.

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@failures art,

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Don't confuse a rejection of your views as a person being a "man hater."

Sorry as I do not have as desire toward her that is not possible and would go in the other direction if I knowi nglysaw her in public, that is not possibe.

And no anyone who claim that a large percent of men are rapists and she is surrounded everywhere she turn with unpunished rapists including members of the local police department is a sick sick person.

Not to mention her claimed that most men in a college bar is looking to rape the poor females is not connected with the real world.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Sorry giving a date rape drug would be using force.

Not by the definition of force you used in the post I was replying to. You can't pick and choose Bill.

It's not as if people who are drugged are even aware of the fact they are drugged until it's too late. They are disabled from providing consent, and that is a distinct feature of the drug. the other distinct feature is that it creates memory holes that help conceal their crime.

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@failures art,

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You are making hunches.

Sorry I am not making a hunch and feel free to made a survey of males if you question that.

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@failures art,

That may be your opinion but not mine giving such a drug behind anyone back is assault and the used of force by the common meanings of both terms.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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these laws are executed that at least could be argued on a case by case basis, but no matter how tight or loose the definition of rape is, I'm sure that they'd find a way that ANY definition somehow victimizes men.

Both of us have given examples so what is your complain.

Examples of what Bill? You can put poor examples of justice out there. you can demonstrate that people can and do make false accusations. Loosening the definition of rape won't eliminate this, but it sure as hell will make things worse for victims of rape. It's not like the problem surrounding rape is that too many people are being arrested and charged. you choose to err on the wrong side of pubic safety and justice here. If a person is wrongfully accused and convicted of ANY crime, they have a means of protest and we have mechanisms in the justice system for them to appeal and find their own justice already. If your objection comes from false accusers, then the solution is not to redefine rape but to put the fire to public D.A.s and courts.

Provide me any definition of rape that you like, and I'll apply your logic to demonstrate that NO definition can meet the false standard you're trying to apply here.

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Hawkeye, I think we had ruined the men haters thread enough by now and I am about to put this silly thread on ignore.

I love the one lady who claimed her college town is overrun by unpunished serial rapists and the local student bar is just a a hangout for evil men waiting to jump defenseless females.

She have one hell of a rape fantasy that hopefully will not cause problems in the future for some innocent man who is unawared of her problems and approach her.

Thank god I am married and past the age where I need to try to deal with these crazy females.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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Don't confuse a rejection of your views as a person being a "man hater."

Sorry as I do not have as desire toward her that is not possible and would go in the other direction if I knowi nglysaw her in public, that is not possibe.

What? I said that some that rejects your views? I didn't imply anything about you being sexually reject by her (although it's a safe bet at this juncture).

BillRM wrote:

And no anyone who claim that a large percent of men are rapists and she is surrounded everywhere she turn with unpunished rapists including members of the local police department is a sick sick person.

I have not read any post of hers that claims that (1) she is surrounded by rapists, (2) or a large percent of men are rapists.

The fact is however that rape is under-reported. So yes, they majority of rapists are at large. That statement is far from saying that a large percent of men are rapists. Additionally, there have been police officers who have raped people. Do you wish to deny this? Why object to this statement? It's not implying that all cops are rapists. It's a great example however of how a victim might feel powerless in light of the aggressor.

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Not to mention her claimed that most men in a college bar is looking to rape the poor females is not connected with the real world.

She did not say that MOST men in college bars are looking to rape someone. She said that rapists target places like college bars, and given what we know this is true.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Hawkeye, I think we had ruined the men haters thread enough by now and I am about to put this silly thread on ignore.

I love the one lady who claimed her college town is overrun by unpunished serial rapists and the local student bar is just a a hangout for evil men waiting to jump defenseless females.

She have one hell of a rape fantasy that hopefully will not cause problems in the future for some innocent man who is unawared of her problems and approach her.

Thank god I am married and past the age where I need to try to deal with these crazy females.

You have, ideed, ruined is this thread. Of course you are now leaving it. That is your MO. Destroy a thread and move on to the next one. When it gets too hot -- get out of the kitchen.

You, obviously, have no respect for women. It is men, and I use the word loosely, like you who create the need for many laws in the first place. Those who think that they can do anything they please and are beyond reproach.

You are a pathetic creature and I am sure that most men would distance themselves from you and your ideas.

Tell me, Einstein, how do you put a thread on ignore? Unfortunately, I know you will be back.

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