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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 10:17 pm
@firefly,
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Somehow I think rape is a much bigger problem for women in Karachi than it is for men.


And that is all you can do is think as rape by women on men by it very nature is likely to be far more underreported then rapes of woman by men.

And for every case of a woman raping a young teenage boy that come to light I would bet at least ten times that number or more go unreported.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 10:29 pm
@hawkeye10,
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There are I am sure some decent feminist scholars around, but where the rubber meets the road this is the look of today's feminist movement. They are militant, and they have no regard for truth, which is why it gets to be very difficult to hold an intelligent discussion on rape.


Your article refers to feminist advocacy groups and public policy on domestic violence issues. It has nothing to do with rape.

Rape laws are written by male lawmakers, not by feminist advocacy groups. Most women and men support these laws. Rape is not a feminist issue, although it might be a concern of feminists. Rape is a concern for both men and women. It is a societal problem of sexual assault and violence. Men want their mothers, wives, daughters, sisters, and even grandmothers, protected from rapists.

Most normal people have no difficulty having an intelligent discussion on rape.



firefly
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 10:38 pm
@BillRM,
If women commit only less than 2% of all sexual offenses, and we don't even know how much of that would be rape, we hardly talking about a widespread problem, on the magnitude of males raping females.

The problems for a male rape victim would be the same as those for a female rape victim.

No, I would not agree that male rape by females would be more under reported than female rape by males. I don't know that to be true and neither do you. You're just guessing. I'm not really interested in your hunches.

BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 10:42 pm
@firefly,
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Rape laws are written by male lawmakers, not by feminist advocacy groups. Most women and men support these laws. Rape is not a feminist issue, although it might be a concern of feminists. Rape is a concern for both men and women. It is a societal problem of sexual assault and violence. Men want their mothers, wives, daughters, sisters, and even grandmothers, protected from rapists.


Real rape is indeed not just a feminist issue but the meaning of rape you support go far beyond that and you at least do not care about the sons and brothers and uncles of most women that might find themselves the victim of crazy rape laws.

In addition, laws makers work for pressure/special interests groups not the public as a whole unless the public wake up and demand they do so.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 10:45 pm
@firefly,
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You're just guessing. I'm not really interested in your hunches.


As a man I am not guessing at all that I would not report a woman raping me nor can I picture any of my fellow males friends doing so.

Not a hunch at all.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 10:53 pm
@BillRM,
You can't decide that some rape is "real" and some isn't. The law defines all rape the same way--sex without consent.

If you don't like the rape laws in your state, contact your state legislators, and your governor, and complain about them

I have no problem with the rape laws of my state. They seem very reasonable. My male relatives and friends would have no difficulty understanding them, or complying with them. Nor would most men.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 10:56 pm
@BillRM,
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As a man I am not guessing at all that I would not report a woman raping me nor can I picture any of my fellow males friends doing so.
Men don't report, the science is clear
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Male victims are particularly reluctant to report assaults by their intimate partners, while third parties are particular unlikely to report assaults by partners of either gender. Sexual assaults, particularly those that involve acquaintances, are less likely to be reported. These patterns have not changed since the 1960s...
http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/209039.pdf
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 11:01 pm
@hawkeye10,
Women don't report either.
JustBrooke
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 11:04 pm
hawkeye10 wrote:


Go talk to some young women if you want to be comforted, they will complain mostly about how the men are too timid.

The truth will set you free.


Yes, some men are so timid, that when a female goes into a bar, they sit and wait in hopes that they can either get some easy action, or she becomes easy to overpower. If she's not drinking fast enough for them - they start buying her drinks. I never let a guy buy me a drink in a bar unless he is a well-known friend that I can trust. If ya can't talk to me when I am sober - don't talk to me when I'm drunk. Timid? Nah. Just a few scumbags floating around looking for what they think will be an easy conquest or possible rape.

Before I hit the reply button - there is a woman somewhere that is being raped. It is an extremely under-reported crime. I would expect that if a few more rapists ran into a woman wearing the anti-rape condom - rape would decrease dramatically. I don't suppose it would be much fun going to the emergency room to have it removed from your little dick, not to mention the pain.

I am a student on a very large campus. Don't tell me that there is not that big of a problem with rape these days. Many horror stories, I know. Most of these girls do not report it for various reasons. One of the girls that did, did so in the hopes that the sicko would be ousted. Within 3 weeks, he had raped again. Still - it took over a year for this guy to be kicked off campus. Sadly, he is on another campus now and likely raping again and again. Many of our dorms are co-ed dorms, which can cause major problems. Setting the dorms aside - there are sickos that are not students, but they drive around campus at night looking for prey. These guys stop and try to pull you into their vehicles. For what? To chit-chat? We have security, but our campus is so huge that there is no way possible for security to be everywhere. Rape happens A LOT!

There have been cases where cops rape girls that are drunk and ask to be taken home so they did not drive while drunk.

I do not live in a big city, yet I know plenty of females that have been raped. Even children. In small town USA. It happens everywhere. I know a girl who left her 11-month-old child with her brother-in-law. He raped this child while babysitting her. Talk about making you want to vomit.

If you are a female and you go to bars, go with other friends. Make sure there is someone in that group that remains sober. Not only can they be the designated driver, they can keep an eye on things that you might miss if you have had too much to drink.

Take some self-defense classes. So what if he's protecting his jewels. Not too many guys can keep their grip on you if you bring the palm of your hand hard against the underside of their chin and when their head snaps back, your drive your fingers straight into their eyeballs. Do whatever it takes to give you enough time to run.

Rape is a huge problem, and there are plenty of scumbags around that love the power trip and know how hard it can be to prove.


BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 11:09 pm
@firefly,
Sorry firefly I do not think you have one male friend or relatives that you care about.

Second like you I have no problem with my current state law on sexual assault I do however have a problem with how you would wish to define rape.

aidan
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 11:14 pm
@ossobuco,
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It wasn't a request for rape when you talked to the guy.

I know it wasn't. And that's exactly what I said:
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But what if I had gone for a walk around the block with him - or goodness gracious - walked into his house with him to see the photos of him surfing in Hawaii?
Would I have been 'asking' to be raped?
No - but if I don't take care and remember this lesson - I will have to take a little responsibility for my own risk-taking behavior.


I wrote that in answer to the specific men on here who are saying that men often falsely get accused of rape because they are with a girl they don't really know. Women can get raped because they are with men they don't really know.
Is it the woman's fault? No. Did she do anything wrong? No. Is it right? No.
But you better believe that I will remember this next time someone asks me to step outside with him so he can have a cigarette.
Should I forget it? No - I don't think so. Because then I might put myself in a dangerous situation.

That's all I was saying. I don't blame any woman, ever for her rape. But by the same token, if a man is falsely accused of rape - how can I blame him for that?

Rapists are responsible for their own behavior and false accusers are responsible for their own behavior in my book.

But I'm responsible for my own safety. I have to take that seriously and I do.

Yes - I do think it was very 'nice' for me that I didn't get raped. I know how afraid and shocked I felt when that guy grabbed me so hard by the wrist and pulled me. I haven't been handled like that very often and it reinforced in my mind how much trouble I'd be in if it ever came down to it.

I can only imagine how horrible it would be to be raped - so I have nothing but sympathy for the raped person and outraged anger for the rapist.
I don't like it when anyone takes advantage of or willfully hurts anyone.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 11:17 pm
@firefly,
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Women don't report either.


For a woman to admit to being rape is surely unpleasant however it does not compare to a man who is suppose to be able to take care of himself at all times owing up to being rape.

Not only rape but rape by a woman and not even by another man!!!!!!!!!!!

Hell would freeze over before 99.999 percents of men would admit to that event happening.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 11:24 pm
@JustBrooke,
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Yes, some men are so timid, that when a female goes into a bar, they sit and wait in hopes that they can either get some easy action, or she becomes easy to overpower. If she's not drinking fast enough for them - they start buying her drinks. I never let a guy buy me a drink in a bar unless he is a well-known friend that I can trust. If ya can't talk to me when I am sober - don't talk to me when I'm drunk. Timid? Nah. Just a few scumbags floating around looking for what they think will be an easy conquest or possible rape.


Lord there are a lot of men haters on this thread it would seem.

In addition, given the opinion of men express by this poster there is no way she would or could be in a heterosexual relationship with any man.

Far too full of hate to be sharing a bed and a life with a man.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 11:56 pm
@JustBrooke,
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Before I hit the reply button - there is a woman somewhere that is being raped. It is an extremely under-reported crime. I would expect that if a few more rapists ran into a woman wearing the anti-rape condom - rape would decrease dramatically. I don't suppose it would be much fun going to the emergency room to have it removed from your little dick, not to mention the pain.


As an engineer I will tell you that is the most impractical device I had hear of in a long long time.

But feel free to wear one 24/7 because from your comments I do not think that not even the men of the Russian Army taking Berlin in 1945 would had been interested in raping you.

firefly
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jul, 2010 12:08 am
@BillRM,
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I do however have a problem with how you would wish to define rape.


You really have a problem understanding what people are saying.

I don't define rape, the law defines rape. I have no wish to alter the legal definition of rape.

Rape is sex without consent.

If you can't understand that, you shouldn't bother commenting in this thread.

This is the third time I am posting NYS date rape law in this thread. It should be clear enough even for you.

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Rape 3rd & Sodomy 3rd. Penal Law 130.25 and 130.40 – Class E felonies.

1. Sexual intercourse,

2. without consent

3. where the lack of consent is not due to "incapacity to consent." That is, the victim actually expresses lack of consent by words and/or actions during the incident. Use of force is not required. No means no.

The new definition of lack of consent in Penal Law 130.05(2) adds "circumstances under which at the time of intercourse, the victim clearly expressed that he or she did not consent to engage in such act, and a reasonable person in the [defendant’s] situation would have understood such person’s words and acts as an expression of lack of consent to such act under all the circumstances."
http://www.correctionhistory.org/northcountry/html/knowlaw/sarasummary3.htm


Get that, it is sexual intercourse without consent. No force is required. No means no.

That's a quite straight forward law.

If a man cannot understand when a woman is not consenting, or if he just doesn't care that she is not consenting, and he has intercourse with her anyway, he will be guilty of rape under this law.

Most men know that if a woman says, "No", or "Stop" or "I don't want that" , or if she pushes or shoves the man away from her, or trys to get up or leave, she is not consenting.

And every single man I know understands that.

Rapists just don't care that she is not consenting.

Your continuing to insult the female posters on this thread is rather juvenile. You don't understand that most, if not all, women, have strong feelings about rape and rapists. They want to see the rape laws enforced. They want to see rape stopped. They take this topic seriously.

You confuse women's anger about the act of rape, and toward rapists, with a hatred or dislike of men. It simply means you fail to understand how women feel about this issue. Talk less and listen more and you might learn something.






JustBrooke
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jul, 2010 12:09 am
@BillRM,
Waaaaaa you hurt my feelings! I'm gonna tell my mommy!

Why don't you grow the **** up. I don't want anyone to be interested in raping me and if a scumbag like you ever tried - you would never rape anyone again.

Got that?

Now piss-off.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jul, 2010 12:48 am
@JustBrooke,
I do not think that any man would be interest in you dear heart not one man in the 4 billions or so men on earth.

Far too full of hate.......

Maybe that is why you have the fantasy that every man is out to rape you.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jul, 2010 01:07 am
@firefly,
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Get that, it is sexual intercourse without consent. No force is required. No means no.


Sorry dear but no woman can be raped without force or the threat of force being used.

No force or threat of force no rape is possible,

If a woman said no and a man place a hand on her afterward that is force my silly friend.

No man can get his penis into an unwilling woman without using force or threat of force it just can not be done.

Hell maybe I am wrong the woman said no now how does the rapist do anything to her without the used of force?????

Does her cloths fall off her at the will of the rapist does her legs open up by themselves after she said no?

To sum up force or the threat of force is need to commit a rape.

BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jul, 2010 01:24 am
@firefly,
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You confuse women's anger about the act of rape, and toward rapists, with a hatred or dislike of men. It simply means you fail to understand how women feel about this issue. Talk less and listen more and you might learn something.


We agree that only a small fraction of men are rapist I assume yet your hate seem to go far beyond that to most if not all men.

You do not care if a woman who place a false charges of rape is punish and any man who have such a woman in his life that would place a false charge by your own words that is his fault.

That is hate for all men.

Those silly posters you are so proud of is insulting to most men implying that we are all would be rapists and yet you taken delight in them. That is hating all men.

So why do you not be as honest you hate males all males.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 30 Jul, 2010 01:45 am
@firefly,
I been trying my best to picture a woman saying no to having sexual intercourse and then not being in fear of him and no physical force being used stand there and take her cloths off and lay down and spread her legs.

Either some very sick sex games are being play between them or they are both crazy however, whatever is happening it is not rape.

As her crazy actions is over riding her vocal no and granting consent.

This time however firefly I agree with you even those it is not rape if he is crazy enough to have sex with such a crazy woman he deserve to be charge with rape anyway.
 

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