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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 08:52 pm
@hawkeye10,
Women do not rape themselves. Only the man is responsible for the act of rape.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 09:01 pm
@firefly,
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I don't even know who he is referring to with all this "feminist" nonsense.


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A number of feminist writers maintain that identifying as a feminist is the strongest stand men can take in the struggle against sexism. They have argued that men should be allowed, or even be encouraged, to participate in the feminist movement.[34][195] Other female feminists argue that men cannot be feminists simply because they are not women. They maintain that men are granted inherent privileges that prevent them from identifying with feminist struggles, thus making it impossible for them to identify with feminists.[196]
the latter has been winning for some time now. Do you need me to document that as well?

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 09:05 pm
@firefly,
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Only the man is responsible for the act of rape.
Women are partly responsible for the definition of rape, in fact have been primarily responsible for defining rape because men have not made a stand for their rights, so this is not exactly true.

Hopefully it is becoming clear to you that the feminist movement over played its hand, the blow back has begun.
OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 09:07 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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Is it just me or did hawkeye just quote the very thing we have all been saying all along about self-restraint?
I was on board everyone being responsible for their own actions 20 pages back. Where I disagree with you is that I think that this should include women as well. I have no quibble with what Peter said.
Of course you wouldn't have a quibble; he suffers the same demented misogyny you do, you cowardly piece of ****:
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Simple, isn’t it? You can hate rape and want it punished, while still recognising that a woman who, say, goes back to a man’s home after several Bacardi Breezers was being a bit dim.
Yet a wave of hysterical ultra-feminist propaganda has this week forced a State agency to reverse a perfectly sensible decision to cut compensation to rape victims who were drunk.
A woman's decision to get drunk, or visit a man's home in NO WAY diminishes her right to say no. Depriving a rape victim of compensation for trusting a man to behave like a human being is something only a demented misogynist would consider just, let alone perfectly sensible.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 09:11 pm
@hawkeye10,
If men didn't rape women there'd be no need for a definition of rape. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 09:20 pm
@aidan,
That is all beside the point. If you had been eight feet away you could have been raped. It wasn't a request for rape when you talked to the guy. Nice for you that you talked loud and were noticed.

BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 09:21 pm
@firefly,
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Women do not rape themselves. Only the man is responsible for the act of rape.


Somehow I would not be surprise if every once in a blue moon or far more often in prison a bull dike had rape a woman.

Women had been found guilty of raping children also.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 09:23 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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Women do not rape themselves. Only the man is responsible for the act of rape.


Somehow I would not be surprise if every once in a blue moon or far more often in prison a bull dike had rape a woman.

Woman had been found guilty of raping children also.


When you get back to earth, you will find a message that indicates the topic here is the rape of women by men.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 09:24 pm
@Arella Mae,
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If men didn't rape women there'd be no need for a definition of rape. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.


You hate for men in general is coming through kind of strongly.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 09:26 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

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If men didn't rape women there'd be no need for a definition of rape. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.


You hate for men in general is coming through kind of strongly.
First, that comment was for hawkeye. Second I don't hate men. Your reading comprehension needs some work.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 09:33 pm
@BillRM,
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You hate for men in general is coming through kind of strongly.


You mean any woman reminding you that

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If men didn't rape women there'd be no need for a definition of rape.


Is automatically a man-hater?

But, is her statement untrue? If men didn't rape women we wouldn't have to define it in the law, or consider it a crime, would we?

BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 09:35 pm
@firefly,
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But, is her statement untrue? If men didn't rape women we wouldn't have to define it in the law, or consider it a crime, would we?


So women do not rape women and women do not rape children?
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 09:41 pm
@firefly,
I'm crying reading this thread, 45 years later. Many would take me as neurotic, but no, at least not usually. Just reading this thread reminds me of the blowhard opinions out there. But, not everyone who posts here is nutso.

I worry now about the girls living past me.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 09:41 pm
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Whatever minor successes men's groups may have achieved, the reality is that public policy on domestic violence in the U.S. is heavily dominated by feminist advocacy groups. For the most part, these groups embrace a rigid orthodoxy that treats domestic violence as male terrorism against women, rooted in patriarchal power and intended to enforce it. They also have a record of making grotesquely exaggerated, thoroughly debunked claims about an epidemic of violence against women—for instance, that battering causes more hospital visits by women every year than car accidents, muggings, and cancer combined.

These advocacy groups practically designed the Violence Against Women Act of 1994, and they dominate the state coalitions against domestic violence to which local domestic violence programs must belong in order to qualify for federal funds. As a result of the advocates' influence, federal assistance is denied to programs that offer joint counseling to couples in which there is domestic violence, and court-mandated treatment for violent men downplays drug and alcohol abuse (since it's all about the patriarchy).

Against the backdrop of this enforced party line, Joyce is alarmed by the smallest signs that men's rights groups may be gaining even a modest voice in framing domestic violence policy
http://reason.com/archives/2009/11/23/mens-rights

There are I am sure some decent feminist scholars around, but where the rubber meets the road this is the look of today's feminist movement. They are militant, and they have no regard for truth, which is why it gets to be very difficult to hold an intelligent discussion on rape.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 09:45 pm
@ossobuco,
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I worry now about the girls living past me.
real rape is much less of a problem now, the fear comes from people lying to you about the current threat level towards women.

Go talk to some young women if you want to be comforted, they will complain mostly about how the men are too timid.

The truth will set you free.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 09:52 pm
@hawkeye10,
You're kidding. So, your three friends don't rape people?
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 09:53 pm
@firefly,
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If men didn't rape women we wouldn't have to define it in the law, or consider it a crime, would we?


Not true all sexes can play the rape game.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/4067214.cms

KARACHI: Karachi police have registered a case against three unidentified women who allegedly abducted a man and raped him over four consecutive days, and later throwing him near Qayyumabad River in an unconscious state.

The victim identified as Khalil, 23, works as a waiter at a restaurant. Khalil revealed that, on the night of January 27, an identified man ordered him to deliver food to the women sitting in a car outside the restaurant.

“After giving me the order, the man went towards the car. I took the order to the car where the women told me that they had recently shifted to the area,” the Daily Times quoted him as saying. The women then asked him to deliver food to their house every day. “They asked me to go along with them in the car to see me where their house was,” he added. Once they got to the house, “they gave me milk that had some drug in it ... I fell unconscious after drinking it”.

As he regained consciousness, Khalil found that the women “were forcing themselves onto me”. According to assistant superintendent of police Asad Raza, the women sexually assaulted Khalil for four days, and then threw him near Qayyumabad river. “His condition is really bad ... his genitals are bleeding and he cannot walk properly,” said Raza.

Raza said the women belonged to rich families of Karachi’s Clifton area. “It’s a complicated case ... but we are hoping that we will solve it soon,” he added.

firefly
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 09:57 pm
@BillRM,
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women commit about 2% of all sexual offenses and their abuse often involves their own child or children, but this statistic doesn't mention how many, if any, of these cases of abuse were rape

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender

So, we know that women might commit sexual assault, but it is less than 2% of all sexual offenses. So, over 98% of all sexual offenses are committed by men.

Try reading the rape laws. They really were written to reflect the fact that the rapist is usually male.

Two females cannot have sexual intercourse. Rolling Eyes You do know that, don't you?Rolling Eyes

If one female inserts an object into the vagina or anus of another female, without consent, I'm not sure that is legally regarded as rape. It is a sexual assault with an object but I'm not sure it is rape.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 10:09 pm
@firefly,
Sorry not proven as men who are raped by a woman or women would be far far far less likely to report it then women so all your numbers deal only with rapes that had been reported.

The comment that we would not have rape laws but for men is untrue on it face as women do rape in whatever numbers they do rape.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 10:11 pm
@BillRM,
Somehow I think rape is a much bigger problem for women in Karachi than it is for men.

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More than 100 women raped everyday in Karachi
Tuesday, September 16, 2008

Karachi , Sept 16 (ANI): If a Karachi Police surgeon is to be believed, on an average 100 rapes take place in the port city of Karachi alone, and most of these crimes are committed on working women.

He said because of the lengthy medical process and delayed justice system in Pakistan , only 0.5 percent of rape cases are reported to the police.

On average, 100 women are raped every 24 hours in Karachi city alone, and a majority of them are working women. I am saying with full authority that such a large number of rape cases happen in the city. But very few rape survivors have the courage to come forward in search of justice, Additional Police Surgeon (APS) Dr Zulfiqar Siyal while speaking at a seminar on sexual violence organised by the Aurat Foundation, here last evening.
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/india-news/more-than-100-women-raped-everyday-in-karachi_10096249.html


And these rapes are done by men.
 

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