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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 08:14 pm
@firefly,
She was drinking as he was sleeping so the amount of her drinking was unknown to him and surely not his responsibility anyway you can look at it.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 08:15 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

we are in a rape thread ...


You would do well to remember that.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 08:15 pm
@BillRM,
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You are a brave man indeed Hawkeye to state that opinion
a lesbian feminist giving a lecture on date rape is roughly on par with a Catholic priest giving a lecture on marriage....ya, they might have interesting things to say, be we know going in that they don't really KNOW of that which they speak.

I had a problem with this even when I was a feminist in collage, the militant gay ones were constantly telling straight women what they were doing wrong with their men.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 08:17 pm
@BillRM,
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It nice to know that I seem to had rape my poor wife a few hundreds time both before we was married and afterward.
If all sex not initiated by women is rape then you are in even worse trouble than that..
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 08:23 pm
@Arella Mae,
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really approve of someone "taking advantage of her" like that?


Let see he was sleeping and she was drinking of her own free will and then jump into his bed of her own free will and yet under some strange theory he took advantage of her?

He should instead had taken a blood sample or a breath test or made her walk a line and stand on one leg perhaps?

Somehow women are not adults responsible for their own behavior drinking or not drinking.

Strange I am fairly sure that you had posted on this thread that men need to be able to control their behaviors toward women after drinking.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 08:24 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
You are a brave man indeed Hawkeye to state that opinion
a lesbian feminist giving a lecture on date rape is roughly on par with a Catholic priest giving a lecture on marriage....ya, they might have interesting things to say, be we know going in that they don't really KNOW of that which they speak.

I had a problem with this even when I was a feminist in collage, the militant gay ones were constantly telling straight women what they were doing wrong with their men.


emphasis mine

I had no idea that you were once a feminist, Hawkeye. Now that you consider yourself a man, I am wondering if any surgery took place.

Did they refer to college as collage when you went?

Oh, and I must have missed the postings by the lesbian feminists on the thread. Might have made for some interesting reading.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 08:25 pm
@hawkeye10,
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IDK, she strikes me as gay...most of the militant ones that I have known have been, they never need to take the male view of intimate relationship into consideration, and don't. Maybe she is not, it is not a sure thing.


We are not discussing the "male view of intimate relationship" in this thread. We are discussing the problems of female victims of rape.

No one, who understands the nature, or the crime, of rape, refers to it as "an intimate relationship" or an "act of passion" (as you have also called it). Rape is an ASSAULT and it is classified as such in the law.

You are questioning whether rape even occurs, you don't want rapists in jail, why are you even posting in this thread? To give yourself still another opportunity to look like an asshole?

People who think the way you do, about women and rape, are the reason I started this thread. You are an excellent example of the rape apologist attitude. Except you take it one step further--you actually deny rape.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not gay. I'm not even a feminist, let alone a militant one. And I'm certainly not stupid enough to let you bait me or provoke me with such characterizations. But the fact that you hold such negative stereotypes about women who disagree with you, says a lot about you, and none of it very pretty.

I hate to tell you this, the rape laws were not written by feminists or even by women. The overwhelming preponderance of lawmakers are men. They see rape as a very real crime. And I think you must give them credit for understanding the behavior of other males.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 08:28 pm
@BillRM,
For you Bill:
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Women who get drunk are more likely to be raped than women who do not get drunk.
No, this does not excuse rape. Men who take advantage of women by raping them, drunk or sober, should be severely punished for this wicked, treacherous action, however stupid the victim may have been.
But it does mean that a rape victim who was drunk deserves less sympathy.
Simple, isn’t it? You can hate rape and want it punished, while still recognising that a woman who, say, goes back to a man’s home after several Bacardi Breezers was being a bit dim.
Yet a wave of hysterical ultra-feminist propaganda has this week forced a State agency to reverse a perfectly sensible decision to cut compensation to rape victims who were drunk.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1045954/PETER-HITCHENS-How-Left-censored-blindingly-obvious-truth-rape.html#ixzz0v82G1n9o

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Getting drunk is not something that happens to you. It is something you do.
Nor is being drunk – which makes you miss danger signals, make bad judgments, lose consciousness in unsafe places and then lose your memory, too – comparable with ‘dressing provocatively’ as the feminist thought police would like to pretend.
If women want to dress provocatively, then they should be free to do so, and I say thanks a lot to those who do.
Our society is based on self-restraint. We can be provoked and still behave ourselves. We do not need to compel women to dress like bats, as many Muslim countries do, so as to curb the unchained passions of hot-blooded menfolk.
All the above is a statement of the blindingly obvious. Yet, in the main forums of public opinion, such views are becoming harder and harder to express because of the unreasoning storm of fury that will follow.

Damn right about that...one need only look at this thread to see the evidence
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 08:29 pm
@firefly,
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I hate to tell you this, the rape laws were not written by feminists or even by women. The overwhelming preponderance of lawmakers are men. They see rape as a very real crime.


They see rape laws as a way to get the support of one special interest group and sound like they doing something of benefit instead of being harmful to the general population.

One can only hope that they or someone they love end up being harm by those laws.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 08:30 pm
Is it just me or did hawkeye just quote the very thing we have all been saying all along about self-restraint?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 08:33 pm
@Intrepid,
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I had no idea that you were once a feminist, Hawkeye
Yes I was. THis was around 84-86, and back then men were allowed to be feminists. Alan Alda was the most famous of the feminist men that I know of. That is all over though, the movement became radicalized and the women pushed the men out. There are still some men who consider themselves to be feminist sympathizers, but the feminists mostly will not give them the time of day.

And yes, this shitty way that feminists at the top of the power structure have treated men probably accounts for some of my present day hostility towards the feminist groups. I still believe in the original goals of the movement though.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 08:39 pm
@hawkeye10,
Not sure why you posted that article since you clearly do not agree with it. Or, maybe you just saw the word feminist and jumped on it.

You forgot to mention one of the lines in the article.
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while rape itself increases


This seems to contradict your earlier post where you claimed that rapes have decreased based on "documented proof".

As I have pointed out on other occasions and others have too....do you actually read what you post? And I would add. Do you think before you copy and paste?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 08:40 pm
@Arella Mae,
Arella Mae wrote:

Is it just me or did hawkeye just quote the very thing we have all been saying all along about self-restraint?


Laughing ROFL

Yup hahahahahaha. Oh, my aching sides. Laughing
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 08:41 pm
@Intrepid,
I thought he did. How the heck is anyone supposed to believe a thing he says if he keeps contradicting himself?
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 08:44 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:

They see rape laws as a way to get the support of one special interest group and sound like they doing something of benefit instead of being harmful to the general population.


Do you consider women "a special interest group"? Women don't comprise a large segment of the general public?

Do you see large numbers of women complaining about the rape laws as you and Hawkeye keep doing? In fact do you even see large numbers of men complaining about them? Doesn't that clue you in to something?

Not only are the laws written almost exclusively by men, there are men on all those juries that convict rapists under the present laws.

Your I.Q. seems to be considerably below room temperature.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 08:44 pm
@Arella Mae,
Also..... Isn't a Male Feminist an oxymoron?
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 08:45 pm
@Intrepid,
I would definitely say it is!
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 08:49 pm
@Intrepid,
Hawkeye can't even name 3 prominent, current, feminist writers/thinkers and what their major points of advocacy are.

I don't even know who he is referring to with all this "feminist" nonsense.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 08:50 pm
@Arella Mae,
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Is it just me or did hawkeye just quote the very thing we have all been saying all along about self-restraint?
I was on board everyone being responsible for their own actions 20 pages back. Where I disagree with you is that I think that this should include women as well. I have no quibble with what Peter said.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Thu 29 Jul, 2010 08:51 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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Is it just me or did hawkeye just quote the very thing we have all been saying all along about self-restraint?
I was on board everyone being responsible for their own actions 20 pages back. Where I disagree with you is that I think that this should include women as well. I have no quibble with what Peter said.
Okay show me where I said women SHOULD NOT be held responsible and accountable for their wrongdoing?

Perhaps YOU really should slow down and read what people actually post.
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