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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 11:52 pm
@hawkeye10,
If you can't understand what rape is, and you feel it is "now an almost meaningless term" then you shouldn't be commenting in this thread. Rape is clearly defined in the laws of all 50 states--as is the meaning of "consent".

No one needs more proof that you're not the brightest bulb in the pack.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 11:56 pm
@firefly,
I can understand what rape is, and I can also understand how the feminist/state cooperative has through coercion redefined the word in a subversive political gambit. And I object, vigorously.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 12:03 am
Quote:
Fellow Crime Watch Group Members “Betrayed” By Accused Rapist
September 19, 2013

DALLAS COUNTY (CBSDFW.COM) – An accused serial rapist is back in North Texas. Deputies with the Dallas County Sheriff’s Department brought Van Dralan Dixson back from Baton Rouge, Louisiana on Thursday.

Connected by DNA, Dixson is accused in four of the nine rapes that happened in a south Dallas neighborhood – one that once trusted him to help fight crime.

Van Dixson is spending his first night in the Dallas County jail. He didn’t answer questions when deputies escorted him into the jail in shackles.

But the 38-year-old has some explaining to do to a group of people who trusted him and now feel betrayed. On the day Van Dixson returned to Dallas, his crime watch group met, still in shock that the man who sat among them just last month could be a serial rapist.

One neighborhood watch member said, “I looked at him on TV today and I’m still trying to figure out what the devil was wrong with him. He’s got three kids.”

Dixson was a volunteer who attended monthly meetings with Dallas police, while allegedly committing up to nine sexual assaults in his Fair Park area neighborhood. Other members of the group now wonder if the now captured suspect intentionally infiltrated the group to stay ahead of the investigation.

“When you do all this kind of stuff the bad guy knows too and they look at ways to infiltrate that to find out information,” someone from the group suggested...
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/09/19/fellow-crime-watch-group-members-betrayed-by-accused-rapist/
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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 12:15 am
Quote:
Occidental College Settles Lawsuit With Sexual Assault Victims
09/19/2013

Occidental College has settled a lawsuit with students who claimed the Los Angeles school failed to properly handle their reports of sexual violence on campus.

Both Occidental and the students' attorney, Gloria Allred, declined to discuss the terms of the settlement.

"We cannot comment except to say that this matter has been resolved," said Occidental spokesman James Tranquada. "It is a confidential matter, and we intend to honor the confidentiality and privacy of those involved."

Allred declined to comment as well, issuing a statement nearly identical to Tranquada's.

Nondisclosure agreements are common in such settlements, and would prevent the parties from discussing details of the allegations.

The lawsuit was filed in April in conjunction with the submission of two federal complaints against Occidental to the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights and Clery Compliance Division. A group of 37 students and faculty -- which has since grown to 50 -- allege that Occidental failed to discipline perpetrators and to report sexual assaults adequately at the college, and discouraged reporting and intimidated faculty who criticized the administration. Both complaints were opened for investigations, which are still ongoing.

Occidental has made several changes in an effort to improve how it handles reports of sexual violence, Tranquada noted, including a review and revision of its sexual misconduct policies, the launch of a 24-hour telephone hotline and expanded preventative education programs for first-year and returning students.

The college also removed Carl Botterud from his position as general counsel following an overwhelming vote of no confidence by the faculty. Botterud was implicated in the complaint as disparaging survivors and advocates, saying to a group of male athletes, "f*** 'em," in reference to the Oxy Sexual Assault Coalition.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/19/occidental-lawsuit-sexual-assault_n_3950830.html

firefly
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 10:28 am
Excellent video from India that uses satire to address the problem of victim-blaming.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 12:22 pm
@firefly,
victim blaming is only a problem if we over blame the victim, but frankly we are more likely to underblame victims.. the phrase "willing victim" exist for a reason. then of course there are those who damand to be "abused", who reasonably should not be considered victims at all.

I am thinking that those who insist that the scales of justice can not be allowed to evaluate those called victims are the same types that attempt to write scientific studies by comming up with the conclusion first and who THEN do the " science"....aka they are fucked in the head and demand that the rest of us be too.
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panzade
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 12:35 pm
@firefly,
Plenty of backlash reported

Quote:
The settlement, reported by the Los Angeles Times September 19 on page one, immediately provoked criticism. Danielle Dirks, a criminology professor who has been active in the campaign, told the Times that requiring “the women to remain silent and not to participate in campus activism could have a chilling effect at Occidental.” “Part of the reason so many women have come forward is because other assault survivors have been able to speak openly about their treatment,” Dirks said.

The settlement negotiated by Allred, Dirks said, “effectively erases all of the sexual assaults and the college’s wrongdoing.”

Allred, asked to comment, said in an email, "Our clients have made a choice to resolve this matter. It is a confidential matter."

Rebecca Solnit, who has written about sexual assault for TomDispatch and Mother Jones, commented, "If rape is a form of silencing, what is silencing a form of? Rape?"
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 12:39 pm
@panzade,
rape is not a form of silencing because the one who is raped has lost no ability to speak. if they dont speak that is their choice, if they think that they want to speak but dont then they have failed to carry out their will. these people should own their personal failures, blaiming others instead is nonsense perpetuated by victim culture, it is part of the triumph of fantasy iver reality.

rape is aggression against another, and that is all that it is.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 01:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
the rape feminists have long assigned amazing mystical satanic powers to rape, out of shrewd political maneuvering. some reasonable rational evaluation of actual rape victims would paint a different picture. but no, rape dies NOT silience vocal cords.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 01:12 pm
@panzade,
Most settlement agreements contain confidentiality clauses.

If these people chose to accept this agreement, that's their business. The investigation into the problem is still ongoing, so nothing is really being covered-up or hushed up.

I don't think the backlash, and criticisms, really matter. The important thing is that the problem is being addressed.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 01:33 pm
@firefly,
The problem is that no one can know off hand if these cases are of real rapes/sexual assaults or rape by reasons of regret who complains should get **** can in order to protect innocent men.

That the problem you run into when you redefine rape to cover dating couples who go out drinking together and the next day the lady regret her jumping into bed with her date so therefore it is rape due to invalid consent.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 01:37 pm
@BillRM,
http://www.adrants.com/images/head_up_ass.jpg
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panzade
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 02:46 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
I don't think the backlash, and criticisms, really matter.


We don't often disagree...but

it happens
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panzade
 
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Reply Mon 23 Sep, 2013 02:25 pm
From India. "It's My Fault"

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panzade
 
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Reply Wed 25 Sep, 2013 01:23 pm
99% of the assailants are male!

https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1238374_520339328042403_1434606132_n.png
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 25 Sep, 2013 01:54 pm
@panzade,
An we should believe those numbers because of what? At every two minute rate that would be roughly 264,000 rapes a year.

Quote:


http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/violent-crime/rapemain

There were an estimated at 84,767 forcible rapes reported to law enforcement in 2010. This estimate was 5.0 percent lower than the 2009 estimate and 10.3 percent and 6.7 percent lower than the 2006 and 2001 estimates, respectively. (See Tables 1 and 1A.)


Until the the data base was fool with reported rapes by the FBI was at a 33 low in this nation and been dropping year after years for decades.

Twenty five percent of all female college students are supposed to had been sexual assaulted in getting a four year degree by studies paid for by the DOJ.

However in order to get that percent they needed to consider anytime a boyfriends or other sexual partners place any kind of pressure on the women to have sex as an sexual assault even those the women do not for the most part feel that way and most of the women are still in a sexual relationships with the partners that the studies had label as their rapists.

There is a whole business section with a river of federal funding that need to have the highest possible rape. sexual assaults numbers to keep that river from drying up.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 25 Sep, 2013 05:01 pm
@BillRM,
http://images.pcworld.com/news/graphics/163734-cover_slide.jpg

And you're A2K's resident Village Idiot, and definitely one of the biggest jerks to be found anywhere.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 29 Oct, 2013 08:28 pm
How not to raise a rapist
Van Badham
Source: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/29/rape-australia-drink

We know the kind of circumstances that create a rapist – so let's set about eradicating them instead of blaming rape victims for drinking

There's been a lot of talk about raped women in the Australian media recently. Mia Freedman kicked it off on her Mamamia site by arguing that girls shouldn't drink too much if they don't want to be raped. Susie O'Brien in the Herald-Sun joined Mia's call. Feminists on Twitter called out such comment as victim-blaming and the subject went viral from there.

Good. It's an horrific conversation, but a necessary one. This country, after all, does have the highest reported number of rapes by men of women per capita in the world.

There are those who will downplay the significance of this statistic, given that the crucial word in it is "reported". It is highly likely that the actual rape rate of Australia per capita is far less than that of Turkey, for example, where 33% of police in a recent study agreed that, in some instances, women "deserve" rape ... or, say, Mali, where 70% of women believe that husbands have the right to beat wives who do not submit to forced sexual penetration.

But do not, for one minute, believe that the hate crimes against women in other countries absolves Australia from its reality of physical and psychological mutilation which is the prolific crime of sexual assault. Whichever country you go to, whatever the laws are, raping women always constitutes the same thing: the woman-hating violation of a female body without that woman's consent. It can be violent, bruising and tearing. It can be insidious, psychologically coerced and mentally sadistic. That it is a gendered crime is undeniable.

We know that 93% of rape victims are women. We know that of the 7% victims who are male, the motivation of their sexual assault is to humiliate them by "feminisation" through forced penetration. We also know that more than 99% percent of perpetrators are men. Those who want to invoke hordes of shadowy anecdotal female rapists lurking in murky prisons to denigrate the gendered experience of rape take note: a recent study by the Australian Bureau of Statistics proved that women are actually safer from rape when they're in jail than when they are out of it.

The problem with any social discussion about rape is that those who are most qualified to talk about it are those with the understandably least willingness to do so. Outing your experience as a rape survivor involves reliving the trauma of the assault. There are those who are capable of discussing their experience publicly, but in the age of the internet troll where feminist writers like me wear insults from detractors like "you're too ugly to rape" with diurnal predictability, exposing your intimate experience of sexual violence to a waiting horde of anonymous woman-haters becomes unthinkable.

The voices that tend to emerge in these debates are, therefore, often the most ignorant, with the confident bravura of those who can pronounce what rape is and isn't, who gets raped and who doesn't and why rape happens at all without the accompanying graphic memory of a violation. Rape trauma is not a qualification that anyone who has it wants questioned - not when the horrors can involve experiences like being skull-gripped and forced to perform a blowjob, tied up in teenage bondage play with their boyfriend but then offered, bound, to his friends or accepting a lift home "to stay safe" and being anally raped in the car.

There is a very good reason that actual, real-life female rape survivors do not agree that it's the responsibility of girls who go out to prevent their own rapes by not drinking; or drinking or staying with friends; or wearing a burka or a bikini or never leaving the house. It's the scarifying experience of knowing that the only way their rape could have been avoided was if the rapist had not raped them.

There are writers still insisting this week that there's a correlation between girls drinking and rape of which all parents should be aware. There's a higher correlation of rapists wearing trousers, and victims of rape already knowing their rapists: as advice, parents issuing edicts to avoid all men who wear trousers or eschew all gender-mixed social events is just as good. That is, not at all – because there are countries where there is no alcohol and no gender-mixed social events ... and yet in these countries, women are still raped.

What parents – or any member of the society we live in – can do to prevent rape is not to lock up their daughters so they don't get raped but to proactively raise sons not to rape.

We actually know quite a lot about rapists through research, but as many of the values that help create a rapist are traditions of the prevailing status quo, the insights we've gained are often forsaken for the convenient habit of victim-blaming that was played out in the media this week.

One of the things we know, for example, is that the woman-hating that universally defines rapists begins in early childhood in households with authoritarian father figures and subservient mother ones. Unsurprisingly, boys who grow up in egalitarian households are spared the messages that women are lesser and undeserving of respect that go on to underpin the gender hatred of sexual violence. Additionally, boys are less likely to become rapists in societies that extend gender egalitarianism to social parity outside of the home, where women are visibly equal to men in social position and in where women are not culturally depicted as of being of lesser status.

Conversely, boys are more likely to become rapists if they grow up in societies that blame women's behaviour for provoking rapes rather than condemning and punishing men for raping. This week's slew of articles telling girls how to behave explicitly vindicates the rapist worldview that women are more responsible for their crimes than they are – and that as men, rapists are justified in punishing those "misbehaving" women with acts of sexual violence. We also know that discussions of rape predicated on the belief that there are "just bad guys out there" powerfully normalise the existence of rapists to rapists.

Contrary to popular belief, feminists do not believe that all men are rapists, but rapists do: studies have shown that men who do rape women are convinced that all other men share their woman-hating values and enact the same violent behaviours. Rapists read the denigration and disrespect of women in media, literature and public discourse as both cues for rape behaviour and also social acceptance of it.

If suggesting egalitarian households, egalitarian social leadership, social gender parity and an end to culturally reductive depictions of women sounds like a feminist agenda to you, you're right. We become feminists because our lived or witnessed experience of gendered abuse or disadvantage tallies with the real, statistical horror of what happens in a world that treats women as socially lesser and more physically expendable than men.

Feminism does not exist because it's a club to join, or a themed bar to hang out in. It exists because gender disparities in society create systemic inequalities and vile monsters. As long as public focus remains on the behaviour of victims, rather than what's causing the perpetrators, those monsters will continue to destroy the lives of women, emotionally ruin families and weaken entire societies with the menace of violence.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 29 Oct, 2013 09:25 pm
@hingehead,
It is a sad joke when two adults go out drinking together and the female adult can declared after finding that she regret the sex after the fact that she was a rape victim due to the theory of invalid consent due to her being voluntary under the influence of alcohol.

Adults even female adults are responsible for their own actions under the voluntary influence of either alcohol and or drugs.

They are not children and willing sex is willing sex not rape no matter how must a woman might regret it the next day or the next week.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2013 02:43 am
@BillRM,
It's a sad fact that people like you think it's alright to rape a woman if she's had a drink.
 

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