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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2013 07:21 am
@izzythepush,
An a fool like you think that it fine to allow an adult woman to claimed rape for consensus sex due to regret after the fact as they should be view as children with their male partners having a duty to act as guardians.

If we are not willing to hold women to the same standards of adulthood as men then let go all the way and removed all rights of adulthood from them having either a male relation or husband guardians designate for all females and for all their lives.

They can either be children or adults in all aspects of life and unlike you I had always views women as adults not children in need of protection from their own actions.

But perhaps you are right and we should consider them children.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2013 07:42 am
@BillRM,
I think it's best to look at the reality of what actually happens. Most rapes go unreported, most rapists get away with it. You're making a big deal about a handful of cases of malicious accusation. You refuse to deal with reality as you prefer to blame the victim and live in a fantasy world.

You've shown yourself to be a supporter of the violent perpetrators of crime over and over again.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2013 08:06 am
@izzythepush,
A handful of cases!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Too bad you do not land behind bars for one of those so call handful of cases.

But there is one ten years study of two middle west cities posted on this thread many times where roughly half of all non-strangers rapes claims turn out to be false.

One Air-force study of around 500 cases where one third of the rape claims turn out to be false.

Women as a group are no more and not less angels then men and unfounded charges of child abused up to sexual abused is very common in divorce situations against men for example.

Women who find they are pregnancy by the "wrong" man or to settle a score with a former sexual partner can cried rape and even if they are found out little or nothing happen to them in way of punishment.

The woman who falsely cried rape on the three Duke University players.students was allow to walk free only to latter end up murdering one of her boyfriends.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2013 08:14 am
@BillRM,
If anyone should be behind bars it's you. I've never been asked to leave a park, or anywhere else for that matter, for behaving like a nonce.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2013 08:40 am
@izzythepush,
Yes shame on me for being both a man and a cat lover trying to find homes for these kittens!!!!!

I should be in prison for not thinking of bringing my wife along when trying to do so in the park next to my home that day.

http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/BillRM/Thefourkittensandmothereating.jpg

http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m627/BillRM/Kittensinhammock3.jpg
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2013 08:41 am
@BillRM,
You can stick to your cover story if you want. Just don't expect to be believed.

As a responsible cat owner I've had mine neutered.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2013 09:07 am
@izzythepush,
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As a responsible cat owner I've had mine neutered.


Fool the mother cat just showed up with her kittens and settle in behind my privacy wall and before that moment I never seen any one of them!!!!

The mother was in bad shape with worms and a skin condition and under weight just to start with and then trying to care for four kittens beside without any human help.

I ended up with one of the kittens and the mother cat and both of them was indeed neutered as are all of my other cats.

Well feed and health cats can out perform rabbits any old day otherwise.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2013 11:11 am
@BillRM,
Do you really believe that males are too stupid to understand the rape laws and the definitions of "consent" that are provided in the sexual abuse laws of every state?

This has absolutely nothing to do with "their male partners having a duty to act as guardians". It is about holding men legally responsible for their own behaviors when they violate those sexual assault laws.

If a man steals a drunk woman's jewelry from her, is he any less guilty of theft because she was intoxicated at the time he took it?

Your line of thinking is what encourages men to continue violating sexual assault laws, which not only harms women, it harms men as well, by resulting in legal entanglements and damage to themselves.

There is no justification for rape. No matter how much you try to discredit women, or take issue with current rape laws, you still skirt the issue of male responsibility to be aware of the laws, and to abide by them.

Let's get real. Males know the difference between "taking advantage of" an intoxicated female and having sex with a knowingly aware, fully cognizant, and freely consenting partner.

All you do is encourage disrespect for both women and the law. Then you wonder why you get labeled as a rape enabler and apologist.

http://curezone.com/upload/Blogs/Zoebess/head_up_ass.jpg

There is no justification for rape.



firefly
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2013 11:24 am
Even at work, a woman may not be safe from sexual assault by someone known to her...
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Supervisor tries to rape female co-worker at 92nd St. Y but victim breaks free from assault: officials
The victim was in the supply room at the upper East Side cultural institution when Mark Drayton, 46, groped her and tried to rape her, officials said Tuesday.
By Thomas Tracy
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Tuesday, October 29, 2013

An employee at the 92nd St. Y was molested by a sicko co-worker who tried to rape her during a confrontation inside an elevator at the renowned upper East Side cultural institution, officials said Tuesday.

The victim was working in the supply room of the Lexington Ave. building on Saturday afternoon when Mark Drayton, 46, approached, started making lewd comments

“Why haven’t I seen your breasts?” Drayton asked, according to a police source.

Drayton kissed the woman against her will, but the woman broke free and ran

Drayton followed, restrained the victim by force and tried to rape her but ran off, according to officials.

Cops caught up with Drayton, a resident of Sedgwick Ave. in the Bronx, later that afternoon, charging him with attempted rape and sex abuse.

Manhattan prosecutors asked Drayton be held on $50,000 at his arraignment on Sunday, but Judge Ann Scherzer ordered him held in lieu of $10,000 bail, which Drayton paid on Monday.

"We are cooperating with authorities on this matter," a spokeswoman for the 92nd St. Y said. "It would be inappropriate to comment further."

Founded in 1874, more than 300,000 people visit the 92nd St. Y annually for their wide variety of cultural programs and lectures.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/man-rape-female-worker-92nd-st-y-article-1.1500199#ixzz2jE7nFL00
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2013 11:37 am
Quote:
Oct 30, 2013
Sexual assaults at college: Is 'rape culture' to blame?
by Azmat Khan

Laura Dunn thought college was a safe and carefree place. Then, she was raped.

During the spring semester of her freshman year at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, she went a party with fellow members of the crew team.

“It was my second time drinking ever in my life,” she told America Tonight. She had shot after shot, more than seven, she said. It was around then that she remembers two men from her team starting to pay more attention to her.

The two men said they were taking her to another party, but instead led a stumbling Dunn to an apartment.

"I actually fell face first on their stairs and they both just picked me up and carried me up," she said.

Then, they raped her.

"It was almost like it wasn’t happening to my body," she said. “… And I remember putting my hands up and saying, 'No. I’m a virgin, please stop.'"

The rape was devastating. "I had nightmares. I couldn’t sleep. I lost weight. I was anxious all the time. I was having all these problems," she said. She even quit the crew team.

Dunn stayed silent for more than a year, until one of her professors started talking about rape on campus.

"She said something like 20 to 30 percent of victims report [the crime], which means 70 to 80 percent are silent," Dunn said. "I realized in that class I was the silent group, and realizing my silence is actually part of this problem."

She would go on to report the crime. The Dean’s office advised her to the campus police. The campus police sent her to the Madison police.

She also told her parents. At first, she said, they blamed her. "[My dad] sat down on the couch with me and the very first thing he said was, 'What were you wearing?' I couldn’t believe my own father would ask me that," she said. "Every reaction they had made everything worse, because it wasn’t, ‘Are you okay? We still love you.'"

Later on, they took a more supportive role, encouraging her to speak out.

The University of Wisconsin ultimately said that there was no way to determine what had really happened; since both parties were drinking, consent was "moot."

"Consent is the heart of sexual assault. It’s not moot. It’s always an issue," Dunn said. "The reality is, when it happens, people kind of shrug, say, 'Well, you were drunk.' It didn’t matter that you never drank before. Didn’t matter that everyone else gave you that alcohol. Clearly, somehow, you’re supposed to still be able to protect yourself and know better.”

Dunn’s story, told by correspondent Sarah Hoye in tonight’s program, isn’t unique. In a given year, 5.2 percent of college women are raped, according to a 2007 study of 2,000 female students by the Medical University of South Carolina. Projected over a now-average five-year college career, more than one in four women will be raped by the time she graduates.

Among the few who choose to report their assaults, like Dunn, many of them are blamed. Often, that is because alcohol is involved.

Strategies of campus rapists

Seventy-two percent of victims of college rape were too intoxicated to consent, according to a 2004 report in the Journal of Studies on Alcohol. Among women who had consumed 10 or more drinks in a sitting since starting college, 59 percent were sexually victimized by the end of their first semester, according to a 2011 University of Buffalo study.

But correlation does not necessarily mean causation.

"That’s not to say that alcohol or drinking causes rape. It doesn’t," said Lynn Phillips, a psychologist and professor at the University of Massachusetts who studies students and sexuality. "Somebody choosing to take advantage of somebody who’s drunk is what’s causing rape. Right? They choose to do that. They could choose not to."


Predators may use alcohol as a tool to incapacitate women or render them more vulnerable to attack, but it is one of many tools and methods rapists use, according to pioneering research by clinical psychologist David Lisak. From more than 20 years of studying campus rapists, Lisak has identified some of the characteristics of campus predators. Using alcohol is a common one, he found, but rapists are also adept at identifying likely victims, using sophisticated strategies to 'groom' them, and using power, control, manipulation, threats and physical force. When it comes to the research, the arguments made by the victim-blamers do not stack up.

Phillips has interviewed hundreds of college students about their experiences with sexual assault. One of the problems, she argues, is that society doesn't teach young men about consent.

“We don’t do enough to teach young men that you can’t have sex with somebody who’s incapacitated,” Phillips told America Tonight. Instead, the message that both men and women get fuels assault. “Everywhere in the culture there’s this sort of eroticizing and naturalizing of sexuality mixed with physical force,” she said. “It really focuses on male entitlement to sexuality. It frames masculinity as being about power and aggression and about getting everything you can, sexually.”

Others call that rape culture, an environment in which violence against women is normalized and excused in the media and popular culture. It is what many feminists and activists say fuels assault, and victim-blaming.


It is the culture that Dunn, now a third-year law student at the University of Maryland, is working to change. She is a survivor who has become an activist, speaking out in public, specializing in Title IX issues, and interning at the Department of Justice’s Office of Victimization.

“I actually do think the culture will change once you acknowledge that it doesn’t matter what you wear, it doesn’t matter what you drink, it doesn’t matter where you go out,” Dunn said. “You should be safe where ever you are and have that right to yourself to make your choices.”

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/america-tonight-blog/2013/10/30/what-will-changetherapecultureoncampuses.html
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2013 11:43 am
@firefly,
Quote:
Do you really believe that males are too stupid to understand the rape laws and the definitions of "consent" that are provided in the sexual abuse laws of every state?

This has absolutely nothing to do with "their male partners having a duty to act as guardians". It is about holding men legally responsible for their own behaviors when they violate those sexual assault laws.

If a man steals a drunk woman's jewelry from her, is he any less guilty of theft because she was intoxicated at the time he took it?


Hmm so if a woman make a gift of a piece of jewelry to a man while voluntarily under the influence of alcohol she would after waking up the next morning and regretting the gift giving would have the right to have the man thrown into prison for theft?????????

Love your logic or lack of same.......

Consent is consent and should have nothing to do with any voluntary state a woman had place herself into.

If a woman regret who she have given consent to while under the influence then she should reduce her intake of alcohol when she might find herself in a position to be choosing a sexual partner or giving away jewelry for that matter,

firefly
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2013 11:58 am
@BillRM,
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Hmm so if a woman make a gift of a piece of jewelry to a man while voluntarily under the influence of alcohol she would after waking up the next morning and regretting the gift giving would have the right to have the man thrown into prison for theft?????????

Let me know if a reputable attorney will let you draw up your Last Will and Testament while you are intoxicated.
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Consent is consent and should have nothing to do with any voluntary state a woman had place herself into.

It has absolutely nothing to do with whether a person has placed themselves into a "voluntary state" or not. Legal "consent" requires a degree of conscious, knowing awareness.

Either you don't understand the legal meaning of "consent", or you're too sociopathic to even bother with whether legal consent is even operating.

While I suspect that, in your case, both of those things are true, I feel the latter is the stronger influence. You're basically amoral, you believe in doing whatever you think you can get away with. That's one reason you promote laxer laws and consequences for sexual assault, child pornography, drunk driving, etc.. Your concern is the avoidance of punishment for perpetrators, and not the general welfare. That's a hallmark of sociopathic thought.

There is no justification for rape.

And it's pointless to discuss legal issues with a sociopath...particularly with one whose awareness of actual law is rather dim.


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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2013 12:30 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
You can stick to your cover story if you want. Just don't expect to be believed.

No responsible cat lover would try to palm off kittens to children whose parents might not want such pets in the home. And we know these children were not accompanied by adults, and that's why other adults in the park became alarmed by BillRM's actions, which fit the profile of a pedophile using an animal lure, and they had him removed from the area.

His story is phony from beginning to end.

And let's not forget, BillRM also had a restraining order taken out against him, for domestic abuse, and he never appeared in court to even dispute the charge.

So, he's not exactly someone who should be listened to when it comes to the abuse of anyone. His remarks are all self-serving and nothing more.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2013 03:16 pm
Perhaps the below case could be a model for women who do not care to carry the burdens of adulthood with men appointed by the courts to protect them from their own actions and judgments including one night stands and picking sexual partners when under the influence of alcohol or drugs.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2126577/Britney-Spears-fiance-Jason-Trawick-applies-share-legal-control-singer-father.html

By EMILY SHERIDAN
PUBLISHED: 12:43 EST, 7 April 2012 | UPDATED: 18:52 EST, 9 April 2012
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Britney Spears will soon have two men watching over her after her fiance Jason Trawick has applied to be a co-conservator over the singer.
The pop star's father Jamie Spears, who has been legally in control of Britney since her public meltdown in February 2008, is asking a court to add Trawick as a co-conservator.
The legal moves will no doubt prompt speculation Britney, 30, is set to wed her former manager, 40, sooner rather than later following their December engagement.
Wedding plans: Britney Spears and Jason Trawick, pictured at the MTV VMAs last August, are set to marryGetting involved: Legal documents show Trawick is set to be a co-conservator
Getting involved: Legal documents show Trawick is set to be a co-conservator
A source told People magazine that Trawick will only have shared legal control over his fiancée's general well-being, but not her finances.

Although conservator can make decisions over a person's food, clothing and healthcare, the singer actually has quite a lot of freedom.

Keep in touch with the latest showbiz gossip by following the MailOnline's Showbiz Twitter pageLA probate attorney Jeffrey S Cohen, who is not involved in the case, told People: 'This is a very unusual situation, because generally you don't see conservatees get married.

'This could be a sign that the couple's wedding is around the corner.
Watching over: Britney's father Jamie Spears has been in control over her well being and finances for four years
Watching over: Britney's father Jamie Spears has been in control over her well being and finances for four years
'This is probably a compromise between Britney, her father and Trawick to get the marriage off on the right foot.
'Obviously, her future husband needs to have a say in her well being.'
Restaurant owner Jamie has held legal control over the singer since her high-profile hospitalisation in February 2008.
Following months of erratic behaviour, the singer placed under involuntary psychiatric hold and placed in a psychiatric ward in a Los Agenels for a week.
Jamie was then handed control of her assets, which he has kept watch over for the past four years.
Last month, Los Angeles Judge Reva Goetz said she was 'impressed' with Britney's progress during a conservatorship hearing.
The conservatorship was made permanent several years ago, but Britney is now in the process of petitioning to have the legal measure removed.
At the time Goetz said she was granting the permanent conservatorship in part because Britney had shown she was 'susceptible to undue influence'.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2013 03:28 pm
@BillRM,
Britney has a mental illness diagnoses...not exactly a "do not care to carry" situation. you would have a better argument if you pointed out that she seems to like this arrangement, is in no hurry to end it. according to some of the celeb porn mags my wife brings home DAD dictates when Britney must be home for curfew, where she can go, and whom she can bring home so long as she is in Vegas.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2013 03:40 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye the judge found that Britney had shown she was 'susceptible to undue influence'.so the rights and duties of adulthood was taken away from her and given to her father and now likely to be shared with her future husband.

So for those women who can not drink or party without regretting their own choices latter it would seem the perfect solution to have a father or brother or husband monitoring them and protecting them.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2013 03:46 pm
@BillRM,
there was a big dust up on slate last week when I think it was Emily Bazelon said that young women need to be told to stop drinking themselves into unconsciousness, that their irresponsible behavior contributes to their ending up raped. OMG, did she ever get reamed for such heresy! She had to pretty much take it back.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2013 03:58 pm
@hawkeye10,
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told to stop drinking themselves into unconsciousness, that their irresponsible behavior contributes to their ending up raped


Well I do agree if a lady is unconsciousness and therefore can not grant consist having sex with her would be rape, just not if she was high by her own choice and granted consent while high. Not one and the same thing at all.

An it is indeed insane to have a problem with telling women not to place themselves in harm way as in drinking themselves into unconsciousness around people they do not trust completely.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2013 04:01 pm
@BillRM,
Have you thought of moving to Saudi Arabia?
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 30 Oct, 2013 05:07 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Well I do agree if a lady is unconsciousness and therefore can not grant consist having sex with her would be rape, just not if she was high by her own choice and granted consent while high. Not one and the same thing at all.

What, do you just make up your own laws?

The sexual assault laws say nothing about whether drug or alcohol intake was voluntary or not. So stop promoting crap that simply proves how moronic you are.

Someone impaired by drugs or alcohol cannot knowingly and cogently consent to sex--regardless of how the substances were ingested. Her mental status would not meet the legal standard for "consent".

Any man who would listen to you would wind up charged with rape.
Quote:
Seventy-two percent of victims of college rape were too intoxicated to consent, according to a 2004 report in the Journal of Studies on Alcohol. Among women who had consumed 10 or more drinks in a sitting since starting college, 59 percent were sexually victimized by the end of their first semester, according to a 2011 University of Buffalo study.

But correlation does not necessarily mean causation.

"That’s not to say that alcohol or drinking causes rape. It doesn’t," said Lynn Phillips, a psychologist and professor at the University of Massachusetts who studies students and sexuality. "Somebody choosing to take advantage of somebody who’s drunk is what’s causing rape. Right? They choose to do that. They could choose not to."...

“We don’t do enough to teach young men that you can’t have sex with somebody who’s incapacitated,” Phillips told America Tonight. Instead, the message that both men and women get fuels assault. “Everywhere in the culture there’s this sort of eroticizing and naturalizing of sexuality mixed with physical force,” she said. “It really focuses on male entitlement to sexuality. It frames masculinity as being about power and aggression and about getting everything you can, sexually

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/america-tonight-blog/2013/10/30/what-will-changetherapecultureoncampuses.html

Neither men nor women should engage in binge drinking, for various reasons of health and safety. But, because a female becomes intoxicated, that is not a justification, or an invitation, for rape.
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An it is indeed insane to have a problem with telling women not to place themselves in harm way as in drinking themselves into unconsciousness around people they do not trust completely.

The problem is these women are being raped by people they do know and trust.

The problem is that men, like you, send a message to other men that such behavior is acceptable.

The problem is that men, like you, enable a rape culture.

I reiterate, any man who would listen to you would wind up charged with rape.

You do not understand the sexual assault laws, something that might be understandable in a 14 year old male, but is absolutely mind boggling in a man old enough to be on Medicare.

You are also encouraging illegal sexual activity by men that harms women and can be damaging to themselves if rape charges are filed.

You are, quite simply, an amoral idiot.

There is no justification for rape.



 

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