Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

@hawkeye10,

"rape-rape?"

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Rape-rape?
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@failures art,

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"rape-rape

Whoopi's terminology for the old definition of rape, a guy physically manhandling a woman so the he can take what he wants, knowing that the woman does not want this.

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@hawkeye10,

"old definition?"

As opposed to?
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@failures art,

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old definition?"

you really should read the thread..

One example used for the new definition is the conviction of a guy who took 7 seconds to pull out after the woman said stop. Another used in another thread was the guy who was convicted of rape even though his wife insisted to the end that they were in a consensual BDSM relationship and that her husband did nothing wrong. The courts ruled that she had no right to consent because coercion was applied, and so it was rape. Even after he got out of prison he had a no contact order with his wife for a couple of years. Only then could they get back together again.

Stuff like that I am calling rape, and saying should not be in the criminal justice system.

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@joefromchicago,

joefromchicago wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:
I did a bad quote job on Bills post.

Indeed.
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Thanks for attempting to interject facts and the law into this interminable Hawkeye - BillRM antiphonic fantasy. Hawkeye is notorious as a con-man on this forum; he's given to peddling some haphazard smattering of links masquerading as expertise on whatever subject he's addressing - for instance: http://able2know.org/topic/144149-8#post-3983540
Getting exposed as a fraud doesn't discourage him, obviously - after getting ridiculed on one topic he just drops it and moves on to another. As to BillRM, his assertion that consent, once given, remains valid in perpetuity, must stand as the single most inane comment made on this thread.

On the subject of euro sovereign debt (just linked) Hawkeye's fantasies mattered little, but here they cause real personal distress to some forum members, so your efforts to dispel them are worthwhile. Let those 2 move on to some topic they know something about - if any. Thanks again.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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old definition?"
you really should read the thread..

One example used for the new definition is the conviction of a guy who took 7 seconds to pull out after the woman said stop. Another used in another thread was the guy who was convicted of rape even though his wife insisted to the end that they were in a consensual BDSM relationship and that her husband did nothing wrong. The courts ruled that she had no right to consent because coercion was applied, and so it was rape. Even after he got out of prison he had a no contact order with his wife for a couple of years. Only then could they get back together again.

Stuff like that I am calling rape, and saying should not be in the criminal justice system.

Hawkeye makes his own definitions and rules to suit his own agenda.

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@High Seas,

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he's given to peddling some haphazard smattering of links masquerading as expertise on whatever subject he's addressing

High Seas, the pot, calling someone a kettle.

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@Intrepid,

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Hawkeye makes his own definitions and rules to suit his own agenda.

People do this all the time. If there's nothing in the language to define a specific meaning, then language users have every right to use the language in a way that describes the point they are trying to make.

Even when Hawkeye described for you situations that are hardly the normal definition of rape you come out with this arrant nonsense. Do try to maintain a little balance, Intrepid.

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Let me see if I can get a handle on this debate.

Hawkeye wants two categories of rape. "Rape-rape" and "rape-lite" which would answer the question posed in this thread title.

While Firefly, on the other hand, is holding out for a single definition of rape without any qualifiers.

Am I on the right track?

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@panzade,

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While Firefly, on the other hand, is holding out for a single definition of rape without any qualifiers.

If I'm not mistaken, I don't think she is. If those situations as described by Hawkeye actually took place, the 7 second pullout and the wife stating that the act was completely consensual, then there has to be at least two definitions.

Every time I see the title, I think, "Of course a woman can ask to get raped", in the sense that she consciously and willfully asks for a certain rape scenario to take place.

It wouldn't meet the legal definition of rape, one would hope that all the parties involved would be smart enough to get a full disclosure contract written up, duly notarized, but a rape it would be.

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@JTT,

Question: Would that be a legal binding contract though considering rape is illegal? I know that people filing bankruptcy will sign over their vehicles to someone else and will have a written contract stating they get their vehicle back after the bankruptcy but the court will not uphold the contract because it "contracts" to an illegal act.

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@firefly,

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unstable, don't you think he might be "asking for" a false rape allegation?

So it is now your position that the punishment for misjudging a woman character should be 20 years to life in prison for rape?

Turning that around do you also think that the punishment for a woman who misjudge a man character should be that she is rape?

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@joefromchicago,

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Again, that depends on the circumstances. I am not familiar with the facts of the case that you rely upon, but then my guess is that you aren't either.

Only what had been reported by the news outfits.

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@failures art,

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How would the lives of rape victims be made better by more lax rape laws? I know I haven't read all 40 some pages of this thread, but perhaps someone could explain how this makes any sense. It doesn't.

More fair rape laws might mean that males who are on juries and others parts of the justice system might give more weight to rape charges.

They might not be so fast to think that those crazy rape laws might one day bit themselves in the rear end or their sons.

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@High Seas,

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As to BillRM, his assertion that consent, once given, remains valid in perpetuity, must stand as the single most inane comment made on this thread.

Hmm where did post that?

However 7 seconds is a little short of a time frame to reacted to the withdraw of permission and for the guy withdraw after intercourse had started!!!!!!!!!

Or statements issue after intercourse had started that is far from clear by the woman should not be ground for a rape charge either.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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Again, that depends on the circumstances. I am not familiar with the facts of the case that you rely upon, but then my guess is that you aren't either.

Only what had been reported by the news outfits.

Then I'm reasonably confident you're not familiar with them at all.

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@joefromchicago,

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Then I'm reasonably confident you're not familiar with them at all.

What do you suggest that everyone should order and the read the transcripts of the whole trials before they made any comment on what had been reported?

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@firefly,

Awesome; here, here!

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@Khethil,

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Awesome; here, here!

Firefly is awesome? In what manner is the lady awesome in your opinion?

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

What do you suggest that everyone should order and the read the transcripts of the whole trials before they made any comment on what had been reported?

That would be one approach. The other would be to take into consideration the fact that the news media are not usually very good at reporting on legal matters and frame one's arguments accordingly.

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