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Hey, Can A Woman "Ask To Get Raped"?

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2012 08:27 am
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Military rape victims lobby for bill
June 27, 2012
By Steve Berg and Jacqueline Fell

Washington, D.C. — Sexual assault victims were in Washington D.C. Wednesday, asking lawmakers for help with a bill called the Stop Act.

The Stop Act calls for a new way of investigating violent crimes within the military.

The bill would take control out of the hands of the military's normal chain of command.

One victim, Elle Helmer, says the stop act is needed because right now the military is protecting rapists not victims.

“It allows for a third set of eyes that's unbiased. That's what needs to happen. Enough is enough,” Helmer said.

Rape victims hand delivered letters to co-sponsors of the bill.

It was signed by 200 victims.

The bill is sponsored by California Democrat Jackie Speier and co-sponsored by more than 100 other Democrat Representatives.

Right now, the bill is in a House subcommittee on military personnel.
http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/military-rape-victims-lobby-bill/nPgX6/


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Zero Shades of Grey: The Invisible War Sheds Light on the Military's Ugliest Secret
06/27/2012
Kristin McCracken

Kirby Dick’s important new documentary unravels the truth about the prevalence of sexual assault in today’s U.S. military — and the institutional cover-ups that further denigrate the victims. The movie is hard to watch, but the realities are even harder to ignore.

In civilian life, it’s hard enough for rape victims to get the justice they deserve. Our legal system’s foundation of “innocent until proven guilty” leads to he said/she said situations where proof is not always readily available. Still, the investigations are run by a third-party justice system without an automatic investment in either side of any given case.

In the U.S. military — where women have served alongside men for over 70 years, though the numbers still skew heavily male — such unbiased investigations do not exist. Quite often, women (and men, though the majority of victims are women) who are assaulted must report their attacks to commanding officers who have a close relationship with the perpetrator — or, in some cases, are the perpetrator. Clearly, this is a direct conflict of interest of the highest order. As a result, only a small fraction of cases are ever prosecuted to the fullest extent. In the worst cases, the tables are turned on the victim in the most egregious ways: they are accused of — and punished for — lying, adultery, etc.

The Invisible War (directed by Kirby Dick, Outrage, TFF 2009) uncovers the ugly truth about women — and men — who are twice-victimized by the military in which they proudly served: first, by their attackers, and second, by an ingrained set of institutional policies that treat their attacks as pesky flies that need to be swatted. In interview after heart-wrenching interview, the victims’ stories paint a picture of a system that is severely broken, a pattern that exists in all four branches of service.

Acute pain — both physical and emotional — is evident on a diverse parade of faces, as the survivors (and their loved ones, who are also deeply affected) take us from their initial elation and pride in serving their country through the various betrayals that are layered, deep, and lasting. Most even admit they have contemplated suicide, which reminds the viewer of the recent statistic that more soldiers have killed themselves this year than have died in combat. (It should be noted that most of the assaults recounted in the film did not happen during deployment overseas; they happened right here at home, on bases as prestigious as the Marine Barracks Washington.)

At a preview screening last Thursday, director Kirby Dick and producer Amy Ziering talked about the five years of interviews, investigations and deep-dive research — including numerous Freedom of Information Act requests — that led to the release of the film. They have taken a two-pronged approach to marketing the film — grassroots and “grass-tops,” with the latter an attempt to show the film to those who decide policy in the government — illustrating their hope that The Invisible War can have a real impact on effecting concrete change. Indeed, a heartening coda to the film explains how, two days after Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta viewed the film in April, he immediately made a policy change, whereby commanders are no longer the sole decision-maker as to whether rape charges go forward or not. And just last week, after Dick and Ziering appeared on MSNBC’s Morning Joe, Vice President Joe Biden reached out to the filmmakers requesting a copy of the film.

There is much debate and rhetoric — on both sides of the aisle — about the levels of support we as a country show the soldiers and veterans who serve and protect us daily. While there is no guarantee that they will be safe from harm in combat situations, what should never be in question is their day-to-day safety among their colleagues.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristin-mccracken/the-invisible-war-rape-military_b_1625757.html


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'Invisible War': New Documentary Exposes Rape in the Military
By NANCY RAMSEY
June 27, 2012—

It was not a story she liked to tell. At 19, Kori Cioca had joined the Coast Guard, and after completing basic training, she said, "I had never felt so proud of myself. I was ready for anything they could throw at me.

"But I didn't think rape was going to be one of them."

Her sister was in the Navy, college wasn't for Cioca, and there was no waiting period to join the Coast Guard. So Cioca, who is 4 feet 11 inches tall, signed up. But within two months she had been assaulted and raped by her 6-foot-3-inch supervisor, who weighed 240 pounds. He had been asking her out, not accepting her "no," making lewd comments, drinking on the job, making her perform hard physical labor on the boat that generally required three men.

One night, he raped her. To this day, Cioca suffers from nerve damage in her face from a broken jaw; she takes numerous medications for anxiety and depression and is on a diet of soft foods -- mashed potatoes, Jell-O.

"When I reported the rape, it was like poking a beehive, I was getting stung from every side," she told ABC News. No one wanted to tangle with the perpetrator; he'd threaten to kill the family of anyone who reported him. Even today, Cioca says she understands her fellow Coasties' reluctance to get involved. And even today, though her assaulter remains in the military, in Charleston, S.C., Cioca says she still loves the Coast Guard.

A few years after the incident, when two Los Angeles-based filmmakers, Kirby Dick and Amy Ziering, got her name from a lawyer representing Cioca and other women who'd been raped and asked to come see her, "I said O.K," said Cioca. "I was nervous."

"When someone finds out you've been raped," she said, "they look at you like you're disgusting." So when Cioca got to the part in her story about the rape, "I put my head down, because I didn't want to see the way they were looking at me. But when I looked up, Kirby and Amy were both crying with me."

The result of that interview, and dozens more, is "The Invisible War," a moving, often shocking documentary that seamlessly weaves together the stories of women who signed up for the military intending to serve their country but instead found themselves the victim of rape. And as terrible as the rape was, the repercussions were almost as horrendous -- women were accused of adultery (if the perpetrator happened to be married) or "conduct unbecoming an officer." They lost rank, they were accused of having "set up the men." When one of the women reported a rape -- the third that week in one particular unit -- she was asked, "You girls think this is a game; are you all in cahoots?"

It's what Dick refers to as the "second traumatization, the way the victim is treated by the military."

There are statistics that shock, from the military: A Navy study conducted anonymously reported that 15 percent of incoming recruits had attempted or committed rape before entering the military, twice the percentage of an equivalent civilian population. Women who've been raped in the military have a higher PTSD rate than men in combat. In 2010, there were 2,617 military victims (women and men), but that represented only about 14% of the estimated number of victims; 86% did not report they had been sexually assaulted.

Journalist Helen Benedict, author of "The Lonely Soldier: The Private War of Women Serving in Iraq," tells the filmmakers that 40 percent of homeless female veterans have been raped.

In the film, fathers and husbands break down; they are members of a military devastated by what's happened to their daughters and wives, and how their once-beloved institution failed them.

Kirby Dick grew up thinking that the military "takes care of its own." His father was in the Navy. Ziering recalls only a "peripheral and tangential" knowledge of the military. (This is not their first collaboration; their film "Outrage" took on closeted politicians who support legislation harmful to the gay community.)

"What surprised me most was the uniformity of the damage," said Zeiring. "You could talk to people from different branches, different generations, and uniformly they tell you the same story in the same way."

Although Dick hastens to point out that most men who see the film are "horrified," the problem of rape in the military, Ziering discovered, is "chronic." There are "flare-ups, Tailhook or Aberdeen, and the military would say, We took care of it." (Tailhook refers to a 1991 convention at which 100 Navy and Marines were alleged to have assaulted more than 80 women; at the Aberdeen Proving Ground in Maryland, a dozen officers sexually assaulted female trainees.)

"The Invisible War," they hope, will "reframe the issue so that it re-enters the public consciousness," said Ziering. She views it as analogous to the way people now view the problem of pedophile priests. First it was "comedian jokes, then rumors of priests abusing children; now there's the absolute conviction of the public at large that this is an institutional problem."

So far the reception has been "phenomenal," said Dick. After the film won the audience award at the Sundance film festival, the two started "a campaign to get it into the hands of as many policymakers as possible, the Pentagon, the Department of Defense, Congress." Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has seen it. "The documentary reinforced for the secretary the problems associated with sexual assault in the U.S. military," said George Little, the Pentagon press secretary. "He's been squarely focused on taking decisive steps to prevent it, and when it does occur, to hold the perpetrators of sexual assault crimes accountable."

In an email to ABC News, Eileen Lainez of the Defense Department listed various recent initiatives: Within the last year, a two-star general has been overseeing the Sexual Assault Prevention and Protection Office, and new victim-focused policies have been implemented, including "expanded legal assistance, expedited transfers for victims of sexual assault, and extended retention of forensic examination and investigative reports." (In the film, the survivors recount tales of "lost" rape kits, "lost" photos, "lost" records.)

For the women of the film, still traumatized by their experiences, the film has led to friendships, and feelings of you-are-not-alone. Kori Cioca, who has a husband, a four-year-old daughter and just gave birth to a son, regularly talks to Ariana Clay, a former Marine officer who was assaulted at the elite Marine Barracks in Washington, D.C.

For Cioca, making the film has been therapeutic, "having people listen and look through your documents and not judge you." Although she says she still loves the military -- her sister's been in the Navy 10 years and has not been subjected to sexual harassment -- she muses aloud whether there shouldn't be a disclaimer when you enter, like the surgeon general's on cigarettes: "You might get raped and assaulted. Side effects may include PTSD."

In interviewing the women for "The Invisible War," Ziering noted that many were from religious backgrounds and would not tell their families about their assault for fear of being isolated. Many in the military "come from homes they're trying to flee, they don't have other alternatives."

"One thing that stands out in my mind," she said: "[When we interviewed the women] the person would say to me, Even if you don't make this documentary and put me in it, thank you for talking to me. You're the first person that ever cared to listen and believe me."
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rape-military-invisible-war-documentary-exposes-assaults/story?id=16632490


If you want the Pentagon to better protect our service members from rape and sexual assault, please let your representatives in Congress know you want them to take a stand on this issue--you can sign a petition here.
http://www.notinvisible.org/sign_petition
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2012 06:22 am
@firefly,
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However, under the law, sex with an incapacitated person is rape--regardless of the cause of the incapacitation
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You answer your own question in the title of this thread in your view if a woman have a drink or two she can indeed ask to be rape even jumping into a sleeping man bed and ask to be rape.

Then when the military, to make congress happy, went down that silly road and begin court martialing men under that standard the convictions rate went down to an incredible low 30 percents or so on rape charges.

Seems that I am not the only one who think that a grown woman is not a child and is responsibility for her own damn actions under the influence or not under the influence.

You can pass any kind of silly law you care to when the society as a whole is not looking but in the end there are enough men and women that service on juries that do not share your view that women are children to jury nullify such laws.

No dear firefly women are not children and should not be treated as children in the area of their sexual relationships or in any other area.

If a woman jumped into a sleeping man bed and started having sex with him no matter how must she regret the actions or how she claimed it was rape due to her drinking it is not rape.

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We all know you see a drunk woman as a rare opportunity for you to get laid--given that no sober woman would bother with you.



LOL Footnote for you and more important my wife information the only drunk or not drunk woman for that matter that I had enjoy sex with is my wife for at least the last ten years.

My interest is for the welfare of the society as a whole with special note of the welfare of my three step grandsons who I would be annoy if they are ever charge with rape due to some young lady going our partying with one of them and then charging rape after the fact due to regret after the fact.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2012 06:35 am
@firefly,
Is it not interesting that when the subject of rape due to regret come up you post stories about real rape that not one of us would question?

Yes women do get rape in the military and men also do get charge for the crime of rape after going out drinking with a woman and having her regret her actions laster.

Both are roughly equally evil in my opinion.

In fact the military law was so crazy for a time that once if a woman claimed she was too drunk to consent to sex, the burden was placed on the man to prove that she was not too drunk not the other way around!!!!!!

Only the fact that the courts step in stop that silliness.

Second note of silliness in the training of troops concerning this matter some of the trainers was teaching that one repeat one drink was enough to disable a woman ability to consent to sex.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2012 07:12 am
In fact Firefly when you define rape in the silly way you wish it to be define it tend to cause very real problems for real rape victims as it bury real rape cases in an ocean of nonsense cases where those real rape cases face the burden of showing that they are not just another rape due to regret cases.

You and people like you are doing real harm to real rape victims.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2012 08:12 am
@BillRM,
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My interest is for the welfare of the society as a whole with special note of the welfare of my three step grandsons who I would be annoy if they are ever charge with rape due to some young lady going our partying with one of them and then charging rape after the fact due to regret after the fact.


If you're so concerned for the welfare of those step-grandsons then you better make sure they understand the sexual assault/rape laws exactly as they are written--but first you'll have to acquaint yourself with those laws.

If someone sobers up, and realizes they did not consent to sex, or were unable to consent or resist due to incapacitation, that is not "regret after the fact"--it is rape. Try reading the sexual assault/rape laws of your state. You are not free to engage in sex at all times, and under all conditions, and with all individuals--you must have the consent of the other person, as "consent" is defined in the sexual assault laws of your state.

It's rather pathetic that, at your quite advanced age, you cannot discuss the sexual assault/rape laws with any degree of adult maturity. Your fixation is on your need for sexual gratification to the exclusion of any other values, considerations, or legal boundaries. You're not exactly 16 years old, with raging hormones, old man, but, even if you were, you'd have to understand that, under some circumstances, you have to exhibit self control and find outlets that do not violate existing laws or the rights of other people.

You are simply an old fool who sounds like more and more of a fool the more you say. Most of your comments are devoid of any connection to actual laws and are mainly mindless, extremely repetitive, barely literate, babbling.

Fortunately, you are easily side-stepped and dismissed, so you have not hindered the posting of genuinely informative and meaningful information in this thread--such as the recent postings of material on rape in the military, and the appalling statistics on sexual assaults of the very elderly, over the age of 85. Part of the objective of this thread has been to disseminate information and raise awareness, and that will continue despite your endless, repetitive, self-serving monologues.

firefly
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2012 08:35 am
What happens when rape victims aren't believed...

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4 On Your Side learns teen broke into home to obtain proof of alleged rape
06/28/2012
By: Mike Daniels, KOB Eyewitness News 4

This is a story about a boy allegedly raped and then failed by the people that were supposed to look out for him.

The boy, 16 years old at the time of the alleged assault, told Santa Fe police, his lawyer and a probation officer at Children, Youth and Families Department. But no one came to his defense.

In 2010, the teenager claimed that Jacob Pinto, 43, of Santa Fe approached him at Bicentennial Pool in Santa Fe and offered to pay him to do chores at his house. The teen said Pinto paid him to start taking off clothing. It eventually led to him being forcefully raped, according to the teen.

To prove it, days later the boy broke into Pinto’s home and found the memory card.

Santa Fe police said Pinto raped him and videotaped the entire thing. He took it home, and hid it. Days later the teen broke back into the house to take more evidence. He believed Pinto had done this to children in the past.

The teen was caught and arrested.

While detained, the boy said he tried telling the police officer, but he was not having any of it. The boy’s mother said she gave his attorney, Brooke Gamble, the memory card with the video of the alleged raped. But the attorney did nothing with it, according to court documents.

But it does not end there. The boy’s new attorney said Santa Fe Assistant District Attorney Sarah Piltch also knew, along with his probation officer at CYFD. Again, no one did anything.

"Unfortunately the child’s cry for help fell on deaf ears, no one paid attention to him," says Lt. Luis Carlos with the Santa Fe Police Department.

Finally someone at CYFD believed him and reported it. Lt. Carlos started to investigate it at the beginning of this year and Pinto was arrested on rape and sex charges filed by the Santa Fe DA's office.

You might recognize Pinto. He is well known in the deaf community and volunteered at the senior center. But you probably did not know that back in 1998, New Mexico state police had a similar case against him. The DA at the time did not prosecute.

When police served a search warrant, they said they found videos and photos of at least 15 victims.

"We believe he's been video taping kids since 1989," said Lt. Carlos.

Only three of the victims have been identified. Authorities need the public's help to find the rest. "If you saw Mr. Pinto, we're asking you talk to your child."

The boy’s current lawyers are furious that the teen is behind bars at CYFD while his alleged rapist is out of jail on a $10,000 bond, being monitored by a GPS ankle bracelet.

Pinto is living in Tijeras. When a KOB Eyewitness News 4 crew went out to his residence, no one answered the door.

The boy’s lawyers and the Santa Fe Police Department will be going before a judge soon in an effort to get him released from CYFD. They said he needs help like any other victim of rape.

They said he needs to be treated as a victim and not a criminal.
http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S2671564.shtml?cat=500
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2012 08:40 am
Congress tell the military that they need to bring such silly cases against our servicemen and this is the results. NOT GUILTY


Shame as real rape cases are not likely to get the attentions they deserve and it drag innocent men names through the mud.



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/27/military-trial-in-peace-corps-rape-case-begins-341994831/


Military trial in Peace Corps rape case begins
Published February 27, 2012
Associated Press

NORFOLK, Va. – A former Peace Corps worker who taught at a girl's school in rural Uganda told a military jury in Virginia on Monday that a special warfare sailor who does construction work for Navy SEALs raped her multiple times in his hotel room in the East African country's capital.

The trial comes months after Congress responded to complaints that the Peace Corps hasn't done enough to protect its volunteers from sexual assaults with legislation requiring the agency to better train participants in how to avoid such attacks.

The 27-year-old woman, who was born in Anchorage, Alaska, and now lives in Washington, testified in a courtroom at Naval Station Norfolk that her sexual encounter with Petty Officer 2nd Class Camaren Walker in November 2010 started out as consensual.

But after his condom came off twice, she said she wanted him to stop.

She said she tried to push Walker off her, but that he grabbed her throat and held her against the bed. She said he later raped her in the shower when he put her in a choke hold and that she feared she might drown.

She said he didn't have to force himself on her the next two times — including once when his roommate was in the next bed — because she was afraid for her life.

Walker's military attorney said the case was simply about a woman who regretted her decision to have sex because she was embarrassed by her behavior. As part of her job, the woman, who graduated from Indiana University, taught girls to avoid peer pressure and to use condoms.

"This is not a case about rape. This is a case about regret," said Lt. Lauren Mayo

The accuser said that she and Walker had met an Irish pub in Kampala while she was out with three other Peace Corps volunteers who were in town for a conference. She said she voluntarily went back to his hotel room with him and that she had no idea he was in the Navy at the time. She said he didn't learn more about him until after she had been assaulted and she had mentioned that she wasn't on birth control. That's when he told her his full name so she could find him on Facebook because he wanted to keep the child if she was pregnant, according to her courtroom testimony.

Mayo said she didn't mention to any of her friends the next day that she had been assaulted. One of her friends said she thought it was "kinky" that the sex was rough and that he had choked her.

"That was my night of hell," the woman later recalled thinking during the exchange.

The Associated Press does not generally identify alleged victims of sexual assault.

It wasn't until days later when she saw a medical worker about emergency contraception that the word rape came up, and only when the medical worker mentioned it, according to courtroom testimony.

Mayo also said that the woman didn't do anything to stop Walker, such as scream, slap him or try to leave the hotel room.

"You didn't do anything to stop him, did you?" Mayo said to the woman, who simply responded "No."

At other times during her testimony, the woman said she didn't scream because it was too difficult to breathe while she was being choked. She also said she didn't leave the hotel room until the morning because Uganda is too dangerous of a country for a foreign woman to wander alone during the early morning hours.

In April, during a procedure that is similar to a preliminary hearing in civilian court, Walker's attorneys had suggested that charges were only being brought forward due to political pressure. The Peace Corps had been under criticism for not doing enough to protect is volunteers from crime, particularly sexual assault. In May, Peace Corps Director Aaron S. Williams appeared before a Foreign Affairs Committee hearing to apologize for the agency's shortcomings on volunteer safety issues

In November, Congress passed a bill requiring the Peace Corps to develop sexual assault risk-education and response training. The legislation also requires the agency to establish a victim's support office.

Walker's trial is scheduled to resume Tuesday







http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/story/2012-03-01/peace-corps-rape-trial/53310322/1


Jury: Sailor not guilty in Peace Corps rape trial


Updated 3/1/2012 4:21 AM Comments NORFOLK, Va. (AP) – A military jury found a Navy special warfare sailor not guilty late Wednesday of raping a Peace Corps volunteer in Uganda.

Sponsored LinksPetty Officer 2nd Class Camaren Walker was accused of raping the woman in November 2010 in the East African nation while he was deployed as a construction worker in support of a small group of Navy SEALs. Military lawyers said he met the volunteer out at a bar one night while she was out with three other volunteers and that she willingly went back to his hotel room at the encouragement of her friends.

Prosecutors said the consensual encounter turned into rape when the condom he was wearing came off twice and she wanted him to stop.


"He didn't want to follow (the accuser's) one rule for consensual sex," Lt. Aaron Riggio, a Navy prosecutor said. "She was very clear what her rule was."

The Associated Press generally does not identify victims of sexual assault.


The jury of five members, consisting of four men and one woman, found Walker not guilty of numerous charges that could have resulted in a life sentence. The jurors met for several hours late Wednesday after three days of testimony.

Riggio and Walker's defense attorney, Lt. Lauren Mayo, were not immediately available Wednesday evening for comment.


In closing arguments, Mayo repeatedly said the woman's story was unbelievable and that she simply regretted a one-night stand. Among other things, the woman taught school girls in rural Uganda to use condoms and not to succumb to peer pressure.

Mayo said the woman, who was born in Anchorage, Alaska, and went to college in Indiana, wanted to protect her reputation and her lifelong dream of working for the Peace Corps. The case shined a light on the safety concerns and procedures for Peace Corps volunteers, which Congress was so concerned with last year that it passed legislation requiring the agency to better train participants in how to avoid sexual assaults.

She told the five-member jury that the woman, who now lives in Washington, did not call a Peace Corps emergency hotline, even though there was a phone in the restroom that the woman walked into. Mayo also cast doubt upon the details of the alleged rape reported to the person in charge of volunteers in the country.

Throughout closing arguments, Mayo repeatedly said the woman's story was unbelievable.


Walker does construction work for Virginia Beach-based SEALs and his record shows that he has won medals for good conduct and humanitarian service. He is originally from Reynoldsburg, Ohio and is stationed in Virginia Beach.

Copyright 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2012 08:46 am
@firefly,
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you're so concerned for the welfare of those step-grandsons then you better make sure they understand the sexual assault/rape laws exactly as they are written--but first you'll have to acquaint yourself with those laws.



The best thing I can do for the society is to fight such laws IE rape due to regret after the fact for the benefits of not only men but women who deserve to be treated and view as adults not children.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2012 10:05 am
http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2011/11/military-charges-more-and-more-men-with.html


Wednesday, November 30, 2011

Military charges more and more men with bogus rape claims--just to show it takes sexual assault seriously

Following our comments is a searing indictment of a military culture that promotes sex crime witch hunts for political reasons. The news report at issue is among the most frightening articles we've ever posted here, and that's saying a lot.

The number of sex-crime allegations sent to courts-martial has increased from 113 in 2004 to 532 in 2010, according to Defense Department data. Last year, military commanders sent about 70 percent more cases to courts-martial that started as rape or aggravated sexual-assault allegations than they did in 2009.

The reason is politics. It's up to military commanders to decide whether to prosecute these cases. Unlike civilian prosecutors, who generally don't prosecute cases if there is significant uncertainty about whether they can get a conviction, it's exactly the opposite in the military: a politically conscious admiral or general isn't going to risk their careers by not prosecuting even ridiculous sex claims.

A retired army prosecutor named Timothy MacDonnell asked rhetorically: "What would you have us do? Tell the victim she can't get justice just because it's a hard case?"

It is well that you are able to tell that she's a "victim," Mr. McDonnell, before a scrap of evidence is presented or the defendant is given an opportunity to fairly defend himself. But in response to your asinine query, here's what we would have you do: stop playing Russian roulette, stop rolling the dice, with the lives of presumptively innocent men in the hope that you might "get lucky." Start doing what decent civilian prosecutors do: only prosecute cases where there is a moral certainty of guilt.

Read some of the quotes from the article. They underscore a culture willing to treat innocent men as collateral damage in the "more important," politicized war on rape:

"'. . . the reality is they're charging more and more people with bogus cases just to show that they do take it seriously.'"

"And sometimes, servicemen are falsely accused, as was the case in February 2010 when a Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort Marine was arrested and jailed for more than a month for allegedly sexually assaulting a Laurel Bay woman whose husband was deployed."

"'Because there is this spin-up of "We have to take cases seriously even though they're crap," it creates a kind of a climate of blasè attitudes,' said one Navy prosecutor . . . . There is a pressure to prosecute, prosecute, prosecute. When you get one that's actually real, there's a lot of skepticism. You hear it routinely -- "Is this a rape case or is this a Navy rape case?"'""Too often . . . defendants are being prosecuted despite qualms about the evidence, attorneys said."

". . . the military is prosecuting a growing number of rape and sexual assault allegations, including highly contested cases that would be unlikely to go to trial in many civilian courts."

". . . a wide range of people who are involved in the military justice system questioned whether the military was weighing the proper legal considerations when deciding whether to take criminal action."

". . . now many of [these allegations] are given more deference than they're due."

"Given the push to prosecute, many commanders may see a trial as the best way to determine whether allegations are true. 'Most of the rape cases that I've defended in the military system never would have gone to trial in a civilian system because the prosecutor would say, "There's no way I'm taking that to trial because I'm not going to get a conviction,"' said Charles Feldmann, a former military and civilian prosecutor who's now a defense attorney. But in the military, the decision-maker is an admiral or a general who is not going to put his career at risk on an iffy rape case by not prosecuting it."

Here is the entire article:

Military rape charges lead to increased trials

By MARISA TAYOLO and CHRIS ADAMS
Published Tuesday, November 29, 2011

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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2012 10:19 am
@BillRM,
As I said, you are simply an old fool who sounds like more and more of a fool the more you say.

Trying to deny the reality of rape, in the military or anywhere else, is downright idiotic. But idiotic is apparently the best you can do.

Continue making a fool of yourself...
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2012 10:43 am
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Military Rape Survivors Call On Congress To Stop The Silent Epidemic
Lauren Brown
Jun. 27, 2012

Today a group of veterans delivered letters signed by 200 military sexual assault and rape survivors to Congress urging them to pass the STOP Act. The letters were presented to Congresswoman Spier who introduced the Act to congress in November of 2011.

If passed, the STOP Act would remove the reporting of sexual assault and rape in the military outside of the chain of command and into the jurisdiction of the military's Sexual Assault Oversight and Response Office which is comprised of military and civilian experts.

Despite 17 congressional hearings over the past 25 years, there's been no major action taken to stem the "silent epidemic" of sexual assault in the military. It's been estimated that nearly 20,000 servicemembers were assaulted in 2010 though only a little more than 13 percent of the incidents were reported.

The group of women delivered the letters with the human rights organization, Protect Our Defenders, which provides support for men and women who have served in the military and been victims of sexual assault. A number of the women who went to Congress today were featured in the documentary, "The Invisible War," a film which gives voice to the staggering number of horrific sexual assaults that have gone unpunished.

The letter was from:

"200 Veterans who have been raped or sexually assaulted at least once while serving in the United States Armed Forces between 1971 – 2011. Retaliation, including discharge and punishment, happened to many of us who tried reporting the crime."

Many victims say that the way they were treated by the military after the incident and the military's failure to prosecute the assault is worse than the actual incident.

http://www.businessinsider.com/military-rape-survivors-urge-congress-to-pass-stop-act-2012-6#ixzz1zCVmUGUz


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About Protect Our Defenders: Protect Our Defenders is a human rights organization. We seek to honor, support and give voice to the brave women and men in uniform who have been sexually assaulted while serving their country, and re-victimized by the military adjudication system – a system that often blames the victim and fails to prosecute the perpetrator. Learn more about Protect Our Defenders at www.protectourdefenders.com or on Facebook at or follow us on Twitter.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2012 10:51 am
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Why rapists in military get away with it
By Jackie Speier, Special to CNN
June 21, 2012

Editor's note: Democratic U.S. Rep. Jackie Speier represents the 12th District of California. She is also the honorary chair of Protect Our Defenders, an organization that supports women and men in uniform who have been raped or sexually assaulted by fellow service members...

(CNN) -- If you serve in the U.S. military and you rape or sexually assault a fellow service member, chances are you won't be punished. In fact, you have an estimated 86.5% chance of keeping your crime a secret and a 92% chance of avoiding a court-martial.

These disturbing statistics illustrate an ongoing epidemic of rape and sexual assault in the military that Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta believes amounted to 19,000 incidents just in 2010. A culture of acceptance combined with few prosecutions against assailants and the conflicted chain of command structure discourages victims from reporting crimes.

Service members who report being sexually assaulted by a commanding officer or military colleague do so at their own peril. They face ridicule, demotion, investigation that includes a review of their sexual history and even involuntary discharge.

In 2006, when Marine Lt. Elle Helmer reported to her commander that a superior officer assaulted and raped her the night before, her colonel discouraged her from obtaining a rape kit. In spite of his objections, she sought a thorough medical investigation.

Helmer appealed to her rapist's supervisor, who still refused to press charges or significantly punish the assailant. He said, "You're from Colorado -- you're tough. You need to pick yourself up and dust yourself off. ... I can't babysit you all of the time."

Instead of Helmer's attacker being prosecuted, she became the subject of investigation and prosecution. She was ultimately forced to leave the Marine Corps. Her rapist remains a Marine in good standing.

Elle's story is featured in the documentary "The Invisible War," which will be screened in five major cities for a week, starting Friday.

The powerful film includes interviews with former U.S. service men and women who were raped by co-workers or superior officers. The survivors explain that they felt the greatest betrayal was from the military itself and the conflicted chain of command structure that did not protect them from avoidable harm or support their need for justice.

Victim testimony from a widespread and ongoing sex scandal at Lackland Air Force base in San Antonio, Texas, sheds light on another tragic component of the epidemic: Service members are trained to follow the orders of all superior officers, no matter what.

Two of the women who have come forward were called over an intercom shortly after they graduated from basic training and asked to leave their dorm to meet their instructors, an unusual order. The victims told a military court that they were lured to a dark supply room where two instructors engaged them in sexual acts.

"I didn't know what to think or what to do," one woman, an airman first class, said when a prosecutor asked what she was thinking as her training instructor performed oral sex on her.

"I was frozen," she said. Thirty-five instructors have been removed from their jobs during the past year at Lackland, but the military refuses to disclose how many are accused of sexual assault. We know that four military training instructors have already been charged with sexual misconduct with at least 24 trainees. One of the instructors is charged with having sexual contact with 10 women, including sodomy and rape.

Another, Staff Sgt. Peter Vega-Maldonado, admitted in a plea bargain to having sex with one woman. His punishment is 90 days in jail, 30 days of hard labor, reduction in rank and forfeiture of $500 a month in pay for four months. He will be forced to leave the Air Force but without a bad-conduct discharge.

After striking this deal with prosecutors, Vega testified that he actually had improper contact with 10 trainees. He is not immune to further prosecution, but his admission of guilt cannot be used against him in future procedures. Each victim will have to come forward, and the prosecution will have to start from scratch.

I have called for a congressional hearing to investigate the systemic abuse of power at Lackland Air Force Base.

It is clear that the inherent conflicts within the chain of command structure are at the core of the epidemic of military rape and sexual assault.

Last fall, I introduced bipartisan legislation that would create a path to justice for service men and women who are victims of rape or sexual assault. H.R. 3435, the Sexual Assault Training Oversight and Prevention Act (STOP Act), has 125 co-sponsors. It would take these cases out of the normal chain of command and place the jurisdiction, still within the military, in the hands of an impartial office staffed by experts -- both military and civilian.

Right now, it is far too easy for a sexual predator in the military to rape or sexually assault a fellow service member and get away with it. Until these crimes are taken seriously and assailants are punished as the felons they are, the epidemic will continue.

Victims of military rape deserve justice

We should not have to hear another story like Elle Helmer's, watch another movie like "The Invisible War," and have to investigate yet another scandal like the one at Lackland Air Force Base.

In the words of Defense Secretary Panetta, "One assault is one too many."
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/21/opinion/speier-military-rape/index.html

BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2012 11:35 am
@firefly,
Quote:
Trying to deny the reality of rape, in the military or anywhere else, is downright idiotic. But idiotic is apparently the best you can do.

Continue making a fool of yourself...


An where silly woman did I stated that real rape does not occur in the military along with all other parts of human society???????????

The problem is that people like you aid in the flooding of bullshit rape charges into the military justice system and outside the military justice system so that finding the real cases of rapes is a herculean task indeed.

A woman who jumped into a sleeping man bed and then tied up the military justice system in dealing with her bullshit charges means that there are far less resources to deal with real rape cases and far less credibility given to those women when their cases reach a court marshal.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2012 11:51 am
@firefly,
Every time a woman claimed rape in the military we will have a court martial no matter if the facts and commonsense support the charges or not and then why would any one wonder at the very low conviction rates?

Seems like this is only going to get worst instead of better with more political pressure being place on the evil male leadership of the military as after all being male they are more likely then not to be rapists or would be rapists themselves.

Poor Congress they can pressure the military to have ever larger numbers of court martials but that will just mean an ever decreasing convictions rate.



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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2012 02:48 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
The problem is that people like you aid in the flooding of bullshit rape charges into the military justice system and outside the military justice system so that finding the real cases of rapes is a herculean task indeed.

That's your level of comprehension of the problem of sexual assault in the military?

A fruitfly could do better than that.

Fortunately, the Secretary of Defense, Leon Panetta, acknowledges the true situation regarding sexual asault/rape in the military, and how disgraceful and shameful it is. Unfortunately, most of the charges are definitely not bullshit, and they have no problem, at all, finding real cases of rape--in fact, they have found an "epidemic" of sexual assault and rape.

Somehow I think the Secretary of Defense has far more credibility than you.

Keep making a fool of yourself...



BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2012 03:16 pm
@firefly,
Firefly, I am sure that the politicians for the most part are all bowing down to the idea that rapists are servicing in overwhelming numbers in our military, after all most are men and we do profile men as likely rapists and or pedophiles, but it is not the secretary of defense who sit on court martials but the fellows soldiers of both the accuser and the accuse and their verdict as express in the low low convictions rates is that you and people like you are full of bullshit.

Still it a damn shame that we are allowing the men and women who man the walls to keep danger out are needing to put up with large scale political court martials.



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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2012 03:41 pm
Military's newly aggressive rape prosecution has pitfalls
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WASHINGTON — By the time Marine Staff Sgt. Jamie Walton went to trial on rape charges, his accuser had changed her story several times.
A military lawyer who evaluated the case told Walton's commander they didn't have enough evidence to go to trial on sexual assault charges. The prosecutor even agreed. But the Marines ignored the advice.
"Everyone knew I didn't rape her," said Walton, who was acquitted of the charge last year. "But they went ahead with the trial anyway."
Walton's questionable prosecution clashes with the public's perception of a soft-on-rape military. A McClatchy analysis found that the military is prosecuting a growing number of rape and sexual assault allegations, including highly contested cases that would be unlikely to go to trial in many civilian courts.

However, most of the accused aren't being convicted of serious crimes.
Such results are provoking cynicism within the armed forces that the politics of rape are tainting a military justice system that's as old as the country itself.
"In the media and on Capital Hill, there's this myth that the military doesn't take sexual assault seriously," said Michael Waddington, a former Army judge advocate who now defends the cases. "But the reality is they're charging more and more people with bogus cases just to show that they do take it seriously."

McClatchy's review of nearly 4,000 sexual assault allegations demonstrates that the military has taken a more aggressive stance. Last year, military commanders sent about 70 percent more cases to courts-martial that started as rape or aggravated sexual-assault allegations than they did in 2009.
However, only 27 percent of the defendants were convicted of those offenses or other serious crimes in 2009 and 2010, McClatchy found after reviewing the cases detailed in the Defense Department's annual sexual assault reports. When factoring in convictions for lesser offenses — such as adultery, which is illegal in the military, or perjury — about half the cases ended in convictions.
The military's conviction rate for all crimes is more than 90 percent, according to a 2010 report to Congress by the Pentagon.
"The pendulum has swung," said Victor Kelley, a former federal prosecutor who's a defense attorney with the law firm National Military Justice Group. "It may be true that years ago some of these allegations weren't given the attention they deserved. But now many of them are given more deference than they're due."
But legal officials with all four military branches say the low conviction rate shows how difficult it is to convict the suspects, not that innocent people are being sent to trial. One common problem in all courts — military and civilian alike — is that a sexual assault victim's behavior comes under attack as much as that of the accused does. As a result, juries may not convict despite hearing significant evidence that a rape occurred.
Making acquittals even more likely, the military is prosecuting more contested cases under a controversial law that broadens the definition of sexual assault. Under the 2006 law, the military can argue that a victim was sexually assaulted because she was "substantially incapacitated" from excessive drinking and couldn't have consented.

"What would you have us do? Tell the victim she can't get justice just because it's a hard case?" asked Timothy MacDonnell, an Army prosecutor who retired in 2008. "Then you're saying to sexual predators, 'Just be careful and make sure you do it in private and you'll get away with it.' "

In dozens of interviews, however, a wide range of people who are involved in the military justice system questioned whether the military was weighing the proper legal considerations when deciding whether to take criminal action.
Unlike in the civilian justice system, a military commander, not a prosecutor, makes the final call on whether to press charges. At times, the commanders disregard their legal advisers' recommendations and pursue allegations of sexual assault, raising concerns that the anti-rape campaign of advocacy groups and Congress is influencing them.

Even some prosecutors say the strategy has backfired, making it more difficult to crack down on the crime in general.

"Because there is this spin-up of 'We have to take cases seriously even though they're crap,' it creates a kind of a climate of blase attitudes," said one Navy prosecutor, who asked to remain anonymous because she feared retaliation for speaking out.
"There is a pressure to prosecute, prosecute, prosecute. When you get one that's actually real, there's a lot of skepticism. You hear it routinely: 'Is this a rape case or is this a Navy rape case?' "
The reality, of course, is many women and men are raped or sexually assaulted in the military. When confronted with the crime even now, some commanders aren't aggressive enough in cracking down, many from all perspectives agree.

North Carolina native Stephanie Schroeder, for instance, said her superiors were unsympathetic after a fellow Marine followed her into a women's bathroom and raped her.

Her superior said, " 'Don't come bitching to me because you had sex and changed your mind,' " recalled Schroeder, who's since joined a lawsuit alleging that the military failed to protect her from the 2002 assault.
Her attacker was never punished, Schroeder said, while she was disciplined after her commanders concluded that she'd lied.

A federal judge is expected to decide soon whether to give Schroeder and others class action status in suing the military.

But many military attorneys describe cases such as Schroeder's as isolated instances that garner most of the attention and outrage.

"Even with this spotlight shining on the military, it has not eliminated the horror story of some commander ignoring valid charges," said Dwight Sullivan, senior appellate defense counsel for the Air Force. "We haven't prevented the horror stories and now we've created another problem of overcharging."

The pressure ratcheted up in 2003, when female cadets at the Air Force Academy accused commanders of ignoring their sexual assaults. In the wake of the scandal, the military prosecuted several of the accused.

The cases didn't go well. One of the juries took only 20 minutes in 2006 to acquit a defendant. After a judge dismissed charges against another cadet, civilian prosecutors declined to charge him in 2007 because of a lack of evidence.

In fact, none of the men accused in the scandal were convicted of charges related to non-consensual sex, said attorneys who were involved.
Citing such failures, Congress boosted the military's anti-sexual assault budget and crafted the new law to help prosecute cases.

As lawmakers turned up the pressure, the military acted on the demands. The number of all sex-crime allegations sent to courts-martial increased from 113 in 2004 to 532 in 2010, according to Defense Department data.

Too often, however, defendants are being prosecuted despite qualms about the evidence, attorneys said.

In Walton's case, the accuser initially denied having sex with him when her commander questioned her.

After Walton confessed to adultery and urged her to tell the truth, she admitted having an affair with him. At that point, she said in a sworn statement that she and Walton had picked up "protection" before heading to a hotel. She denied drinking any alcohol.

Three months later, she changed her account again, saying Walton had plied her with hard liquor before taking her to the hotel. While they were watching TV on the bed, she said, "he all of a sudden rolled on top of me."
"I don't think I said anything," she said in a statement. "I just remember my clothes coming off and I accepted it was happening."

The woman said she realized she'd been raped after attending anti-sexual assault classes. She notified the lawyer who was defending her against adultery charges. The woman also told her estranged husband.
When a military lawyer, known as an investigating officer, reviewed her allegations, he recommended that the Marines drop the aggravated sexual assault charge.

Not only had the accuser's story changed, friends said she'd told them the sex had been consensual and that she would do it again because she thought her husband was cheating on her.

The commander nonetheless rebuffed the lawyers' advice, pursuing nine charges against Walton that ranged from aggravated sexual assault to indecent language. Walton's possible fate changed from expulsion from the military to 30 years in prison.

"They threw everything at me to see what would stick," he said.
Commanders such as Walton's are instructed to consider the evidence, but they aren't required to follow their lawyers' advice. They also can weigh other interests such as the "good order and discipline" of their troops.
Given the push to prosecute, many commanders may see a trial as the best way to determine whether allegations are true.

"Most of the rape cases that I've defended in the military system never would have gone to trial in a civilian system because the prosecutor would say, 'There's no way I'm taking that to trial because I'm not going to get a conviction,' " said Charles Feldmann, a former military and civilian prosecutor who's now a defense attorney.

"But in the military, the decision-maker is an admiral or a general who is not going to put his career at risk on an iffy rape case by not prosecuting it. It's easy for him to say, 'Prosecute it.' If a jury acquits or convicts, then he can say justice was done either way."

"If a military commander dismisses a case and there's political backlash, he's going to take some real career heat over that dismissal," Feldmann said.
Prosecutors outside the military appear to have more success at trial. There's no exact comparison with the civilian justice system, but a study of the nation's largest counties showed that 50 percent of the defendants charged with rape were found guilty of felonies in 2006, the most recent year for which those statistics are available. In New York state, almost 88 percent of the defendants charged with felony sex crimes were convicted in 2010.
In many civilian jurisdictions, the victim has to be unconscious or physically helpless or some sort of force would have to be used for prosecutors to proceed with sexual assault charges.
"A lot of the cases I help people with today I couldn't prosecute in my old jurisdiction because it's not criminalized by state law," said Teresa Scalzo, a veteran civilian prosecutor and the deputy director of the Navy's Trial Counsel Assistance Program.
While the 2006 law allows the military to pursue more sexual assault allegations, it didn't make the prosecution of such cases any easier, attorneys said.
In one recent case, an enlisted woman said she was drunk and fading in and out of consciousness when Army Spc. Kevin Olds touched her breast and put her hand on his penis. The pair had been drinking heavily together during a party. The woman, who was married, told a friend she "did not stop what was happening because she did not want to hurt (his) feelings," according to court records.
At one point, she said, "No, it's OK." That meant, she testified, that she didn't want him to be mad, but she did not want him to continue. She conceded that he may have misunderstood what she meant.
Olds, who was married as well, said he'd thought the woman had consented.
Earlier this year, an investigating officer warned that "insufficient grounds" existed for a sexual assault prosecution.
A commander decided that charges should be pursued anyway. When the accuser said she'd prefer not to testify, the military sent the case to a summary court-martial, which is the equivalent of a misdemeanor court. Olds represented himself, and was acquitted on Nov. 15.
"It never should have seen the inside of a courtroom," said Charles Gittins, who represented Olds at the outset.
Army Sgt. Derek Akins was supposed to go to trial earlier this year in Fort Riley, Kan., after he was accused of sexually assaulting a fellow enlisted man's wife, according to court documents.
All three had been drinking heavily at a party at the couple's house. The husband said that he and his wife had shared a bottle of rum. The woman said Akins had flirted with her but that she didn't remember any sexual encounter because she'd passed out. The husband, however, contended that Akins had had sex with his semiconscious wife in his presence while all three were in the couple's bedroom.
In a last-minute reversal, the husband said that what had happened had been consensual. The military dropped the sexual assault charge.
"This is how nuanced and difficult these cases can be," said Philip Cave, Akins' lawyer and a retired Navy judge advocate. "The prosecution can be lied to as well."
In fact, an accuser and a defendant can have powerful motives to withhold important facts or lie about consensual sex. The military treats "fraternization" — socializing with someone who's lower in rank — as a crime. It's also illegal to have an extramarital affair or to have sex in some overseas locations.
McClatchy tried to talk to commanders about their roles in specific cases, but they either declined to be interviewed or referred a reporter to public affairs offices.
However, attorneys involved in prosecutions maintained that the military is weighing only the legal merits of cases, not the political ramifications.
"We have seen a push to prosecute more challenging cases," said Scalzo, who added that commanders "have become bolder because they've been educated about the nature of non-stranger sexual assault, especially when alcohol is involved."
Officials also denied that a low conviction rate signals any problems with the cases.
"I don't think it's an accurate way to measure the success of our program," said Janet Mansfield, an attorney with the Army's Office of the Judge Advocate General.
Asked how the Army was determining whether it's working, she responded that it was "hard to define."
"We want to see that due process exists," she said. "We want to see that victims are happy with the experience of the court-martial, if not the outcome."
Walton, however, thinks that the justice system has tilted unfairly in favor of the accuser.
After a two-year ordeal, the Marines convicted him of adultery and sent him to prison for six months. As soon as she made the rape accusation, the service dropped the adultery charge against his accuser. She was promoted, while he received a bad conduct discharge.
After 13 years in the military, Walton has lost his retirement and veteran's benefits, and the ability to attend college for free. And he worries that even an acquittal will be seen as a mark of guilt.
"A lot of people aren't going to like me because I made a stupid decision and I cheated on my wife," he said. "But I don't deserve to be seen as a rapist."
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Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/11/28/131523/militarys-newly-aggressive-rape.html#storylink=cpy



firefly
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2012 04:11 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:

But legal officials with all four military branches say the low conviction rate shows how difficult it is to convict the suspects, not that innocent people are being sent to trial. One common problem in all courts — military and civilian alike — is that a sexual assault victim's behavior comes under attack as much as that of the accused does. As a result, juries may not convict despite hearing significant evidence that a rape occurred ttp://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/11/28/131523/militarys-newly-aggressive-rape.html#storylink=cpy


Well, you just posted that. It shoots to hell your absurd claim of most allegations being false and tying up military courts. Laughing

Don't you even read, or understand, what you yourself post?

You are such a complete idiot. Laughing

Talk to yourself. You're too feeble to bother with, even for comic relief.,



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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jun, 2012 06:29 am
Let sum up this thread.

First as the Fireflies of the world are trying to get rape legally define a woman can indeed ask to be "rape" IE have sex in fact she can bregged her sexual partner for sex and if she had a drink or two and regret having sex the next day or the next month can declare she is a rape victim.

See how Congress is redefining rape for our young men and women in the military to see how this is coming to be.

The only way now to keep our young men safe during their sexually active dating years would seems to be to shipped them off to Utah and demand that they only have sex with good Mormom girls who do not even drink coffee let alone alcohol or do what we used to do a few generations ago and married them off right after high school so that the time window where they are vulnerable to this insanity is narrow.

So YES WOMEN CAN INDEED ASK TO BE RAPE........under some current laws.
SandiAlaska
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2012 03:42 pm
@BillRM,
When I googled the name of the man who decided to change a legal activity to an illegal engagement against my will, I found you had posted a couple of the newspaper articles covering the trial.

You may find this interesting:

http://latenighttraveler.wordpress.com/2012/03/08/navy-sailor-acquitted-of-all-charges-in-rape-case-against-peace-corps-volunteer-3/
 

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